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News Report: Moscow, USSR. The Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian Soviet Socialist Republics are established, following the unanimous vote of the entire population of each former country in the recent completely free and fair ballot. They would now be established as republics within the Soviet Union – in the Turkish style.

Might make the eventual SU a bit more stable. Or not.

Yet another spy from neighbouring Afghanistan is captured. No-one even bothers interrogating them anymore. They are simply despatched and buried in unmarked graves. Another few lire is taken off the retail value of humanity in this miserable Second Great War.

This is grim.

An Iraqi spy is captured trying to infiltrate the War Ministry – he joins his Afghan colleague in the next world.

Again. With no Kelebek to intergate them, the Turks just hose down any spies they capture. They are going to be demonised in post war British spy fiction, everyone will be terrified of them because they don't even try to break you. Just shoot you.
 
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Excellent update! Glad to see the Turk-line held fast.

It will be called “Türk Doğrusu” or ‘The Turkish Truth’. No doubt, based closely on the Soviet version
Had to catch that.:)

"Whatever lives in the shadows, dies in the shadows.":D
 
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With no Kelebek to intergate them, the Turks just hose down any spies they capture. They are going to be demonised in post war British spy fiction, everyone will be terrified of them because they don't even try to break you. Just shoot you.
We will just have to ensure it will be Turkish and Soviet authors writing those spy thrillers after the war! S.I.T.H. wouldn’t be demonised of course, but otherwise factually portrayed - to instil the terror and fear required for effective internal security. :eek:
Excellent update! Glad to see the Turk-line held fast.


Had to catch that.:)

"Whatever lives in the shadows, dies in the shadows.":D
Thanks again, markkur. And there are plenty of dark places in this world at present.

To all: another update is being written and polished up; our two reminiscing diplomats will continue their review of events in the lead-up to the declaration of the Great Liberation War on 1 June 1940; Persephonee will decide whether stay or go; and after another two weeks of the war, Inonu will call a major Cabinet meeting to review progress and decide whether the strict policy of defence in the former Yugoslavia will be maintained or whether enough forces can be gathered to hold that line while generating a force to conduct offensive operations there or in combination with Soviet and Romanian units engaged in Hungary.
 
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Chapter 87: In the Balance (1 to 15 August 1940)
Chapter 87: In the Balance (1 to 15 August 1940)

Editor's Note: This first (longer) part will cover events related to the war and provide the operational backdrop for the first major War Cabinet review of strategic directions since the start of the Great Liberation War on 1 June 1940. The second part, to follow shortly, will provide reports to Cabinet on key unit production information, espionage considerations and the detailed agenda for the Cabinet meetings: to which ALL readAARs (regulars, occasional commenters, lurkers and new viewers) are welcome to send submissions and engage in the debate. For this, all you need to do is quickly review the current situation (which will all be laid out), consider the Cabinet Agenda (which will be out shortly) and have an opinion. The more the merrier. Remembering your comments (even if just every once in a while) are what gives us the added energy to write! :)

1. Prologue – Ankara, 1 August 1940

Our two anonymous (for their own protection) sources from the Turkish Foreign Ministry once again ‘come up for air’, taking their fortnightly outing for lunch and coffee in downtown Ankara.

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Says the first: “The record of conversation for the ‘demarche’ by the German Ambassador just before war was declared was certainly an interesting read!”

“It certainly was,” replies his colleague. “Even better if you were there … which I was! I don’t think that arrogant and self-important Hans got the reception he expected.”

“Perhaps,” replies the first speaker. “But the Kartoffel should have known he would not be welcome, given the low personal esteem in which he was held here and the tense circumstances at the time.”

Yes,” notes the second. “I can see why he was so unpopular with our wise, brave and impeccably correct leaders.” This last sentence was said a little more loudly than usual and directed towards the pot plant near their table – just in case they were being listened to!

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The German Ambassador to Ankara in May 1940 was none other than Franz von Papen, the former Chancellor of Germany who had been succeeded by – and indeed facilitated the ascension of – Adolf Hitler. He was not well liked by Turkey. Papen had been the German government as Ambassador to Turkey since 1939. In April 1938, after the retirement of the previous ambassador, Frederich von Keller, Germany attempted to appoint Papen as ambassador in Ankara. But the appointment was vetoed by the Turkish president Mustafa Kemal Atatürk who remembered Papen well - with considerable distaste - from when he had served alongside him in Great War I. In February 1939, the new Turkish President İsmet İnönü again vetoed attempts to have Papen appointed as German ambassador to Turkey.

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Franz von Papen (b. 29 October 1879) was a German nobleman, General Staff officer and politician. He served as Chancellor of Germany in 1932 and as Vice-Chancellor under Adolf Hitler in 1933–34. He belonged to the group of close advisers to President Paul von Hindenburg in the late Weimar Republic. It was largely Papen, believing that Hitler could be controlled once he was in the government, who persuaded Hindenburg to appoint Hitler as Chancellor in a cabinet not under Nazi Party domination. However, Papen and his allies were quickly marginalised by Hitler and he left the government after the Night of the Long Knives, during which the Nazis killed some of his confidantes.

In April 1939, the Turkish Foreign Minister Aras [in this ATL] demanded that the Germans finally appoint a new ambassador to Turkey, saying he was tired of talking only to the First Counsellor. German Foreign Minister von Neurath [Ribbentrop in OTL] took advantage of this, by saying he was more than happy to have Papen serve as the Reich's ambassador to Turkey. After having demanded that the Germans appoint an ambassador, the Turks now felt obliged to accept Papen, though both İnönü and Aras accepted Papen's appointment without enthusiasm. They would have preferred almost anybody other than Papen.

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Record of Conversation
Meeting between President Inönü and German Ambassador von Papen,
Presidential Palace, Ankara, 31 May 1940

While the Ambassador was being summoned, President Inönü remarked to his cabinet colleagues Interior Minister Kaya, Foreign Minister Aras and Chief of Staff Örlungat: “Now are we well resolved and, God Willing, we will apply the glorious strength of our power against Germany. We'll bend them to our will, break them all to pieces, and see the Comintern ruling all its provinces and cities. If not, I will see my bones laid in an unworthy urn, tombless, with no remembrance of them. Either our history will be proclaimed with a loud voice, or else our grave, like a Turkish mute, will have a tongueless mouth, without any epitaph!”

At this point the German interlocutor, Ambassador von Papen, entered the President Inönü’s state reception room at the Presidential Palace.

“Now are we well prepared to know the pleasure of our fair colleague Deputy Führer Rudolf Hess,” states Inönü before Papen can begin his demarche. “For we hear your greeting is from him, not from Herr Hitler himself.”

By implication, it is a clear insult that an official message should come not from Inönü’s counterpart, but from his somewhat dubious Deputy.


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Rudolf Walter Richard Hess (b. 26 April 1894), was a prominent politician in Nazi Germany. Appointed Deputy Führer to Adolf Hitler in 1933. In 1940, he is the third most powerful man in Germany, behind only Hitler and Hermann Göring. [Wasn't yet considered the laughing stock he later became.]

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“Mr President, may I speak freely” asks Papen, “or must I use the nicety of diplomatic language to convey the Deputy Führer’s message?”

“I am no tyrant, but a civilised Turk and President. Therefore with frank and uncurbed plainness tell us the Deputy Führer’s mind.”

“Mr President, Turkey has already made great claims in Europe and now threatens Germany with warlike words, claiming certain territories, invoking the name of your great predecessor, President Kemal Atatürk. In answer of which, the Deputy Führer says that you think too much of the former glories of the old Ottoman Empire, and advises you there will be nothing in Germany that can be won by your poor gambits and weak forces. He therefore sends you, to match the worth of your spirit and your nation’s armed forces, this treasure. Accept it and, in taking it, he desires to hear nothing more of your threats and to hear no more of you. This the Deputy Führer speaks.”

“What treasure does he present, Aras?”

Aras walks over and opens an ornate chest that von Papen’s aides have brought with them. He examines its contents.

“Bratwurst, my President,” reports Aras, with a raised eyebrow.

“We are glad the Deputy Führer is so pleasant with us,” replies Inönü with apparent cheerful calm. “For his present and your pains we thank you. When we have marched our cooks into Germany with these sausages we will, God willing, make a hearty meal. And we shall strike his Führer’s hat from his head. Tell him he has made an enemy of such a fighter, that all the beer halls of Germany will be shaken to their foundations. And we understand him well, how he insults us over our more humble and backward recent years, not measuring what use we made of them. Tell the Deputy Führer that Turkey will rise with so full a glory that it will dazzle all the eyes of Germany and strike the Deputy Führer blind to look on us.”

“And tell him this mockery of his has turned his bratwurst into bullets. His soul will be sorely charged with the wasteful vengeance that will fly with them: for this mockery of his, many a thousand widows shall see doom visited upon their dear husbands; he mocks mothers from their sons; mocks cities down. And some are yet unconceived and unborn, that shall have cause to curse the Deputy Führer’s scorn. But this lies all within the will of God, to whom I do appeal; and in whose name tell your Deputy Führer that Inönü is coming, to revenge himself upon your nation. So return to Germany now in peace and tell the Deputy Führer his jest will savour but of shallow wit, when thousands weep more than did laugh at it. Go with safe conduct. Farewell.”


After Papen’s uncomfortable and hasty departure, with the clumsy German attempt to insult and bully Turkey having failed so spectacularly, Aras turned to his President and remarked: “That was a merry message!”

“We hope to make the sender blush at it,” replied Inönü with steely determination. “Therefore, colleagues, make all haste to give effect to our declaration of war and the consummation of the Comintern agreement with our Soviet allies. For we have now no thought in us but of war against the Axis. Therefore let our preparations for this war be finalised with all speed. We'll chide this Deputy Führer at his leader’s door. Let every Turk now task his thought, that this Great Liberation War be fought!”

The declaration was made soon after, two months ago to the day of our diplomat’s lunch and recollection.


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Elsewhere in Ankara, after deep thought and earnest consideration of her duty, Persephonee has decided to stay the course in Ankara. She will apply for the job to succeed BJ Guildenstern as editor of the Path to Glory. She has, after all, been doing much of the work herself for years, especially recently during BJ’s prolonged despond of past months. She returns to work as Acting Editor while the Propaganda Department considers her application.

And having consulted with some colleagues and countrymen, she even has a name to recommend as the ideal candidate for the new ‘Turkish Truth’ propaganda sheet they are planning to establish. Should she win the job, she will make the suggestion, which she hopes will cement her position – as a woman leading in a very masculine world, but a determined one with a clear sense of what she wants.

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2. General Events

1 Aug 40

News Report: Moscow, USSR. Foreign Minister Maksim Litvinov [Vyacheslav Molotov in OTL] makes a speech to the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union proudly recounting the recent annexation of the Baltic states and clearly signalling the USSR's wish to recover all the territories that had been "stolen" from it during the country's military weakness at the end of the First Great War.

News Report: Tokyo, Japan. Japanese Foreign Minister Hirota Koki [Matsuoka Yosuke in OTL] formally announces the concept of a Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.


2 Aug 40

As more discretionary IC becomes available to Turkey, a new artillery brigade is queued for production.

3 Aug 40

Another Turkish spy is caught in Paris – this time by Canada! It seems not even laying low is enough to evade the influx of Allied spy-catchers which must now thoroughly infest France (given Inspector Clouseau’s hopeless French counter-espionage operation is now reduced to zero agents – presumably by separate Axis action)! This leaves only two remaining there: three agents are now in reserve back in Ankara, but Ögel sees no point in risking them in such a hostile environment: he still remembers the debacle of their past foray into Japan at the time of that country’s influence campaign on Turkey, when 10 agents were destroyed in short order. Given they are not even safe hiding now, Ögel orders the last two surviving agents to “do their patriotic duty for Turkey”, break cover and try to infiltrate France’s technical design archives one last time. They may as well go down fighting rather than waiting for the knock on the door.

4 Aug 40

News Broadcast, US. American General John J. Pershing gives a nationwide radio broadcast urging that aid be sent to Britain [quote modified slightly in this ATL to reflect that France still fights on, though with increasing difficulty]. “It is not hysterical to insist that democracy and liberty are threatened,” Pershing said. “Democracy and liberty are under threat on the continent of Europe. The British and French are left to defend democracy and liberty in Europe. By sending help to them we can still hope with confidence to keep the war on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean, where the enemies of liberty, if possible, should be defeated.” That same day, Charles Lindbergh appears at a pro-isolationism rally in Chicago and says that “if our own military forces are strong, no foreign nation can invade us and if we do not interfere with their affairs none will desire to.”


5 Aug 40


One of the two remaining spies in France is captured, again by the Canadians.

6 Aug 40

News Report: Brussels, Belgium. The American ambassador to Belgium John Cudahy says that the food situation in Belgium and German-occupied northern France is desperate and suggests that the Nazis seemed to be expecting outside aid to solve the food shortage for them. This comment would become controversial for touching on the issue of the British naval blockade.

8 Aug 40

With a little more IC freed up, a new militia brigade is ordered, while the second stage of the Ankara-Adana Railway is commenced. The Cabinet is looking forward to future needs, whether for this Anti-Fascist War – or the next, to liberate the rest of the world from its capitalist chains!

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9 Aug 40

News Report: Washington DC, US. US Under Secretary of State Sumner Welles reads a formal statement at a press conference calling Ambassador John Cudahy's recent remarks “in violation of standing instructions of the Department of State” and says they were “not to be construed as representing the views of this government.” The statement goes on to say that the incident “illustrates once again the importance which must be attributed by American representatives abroad to the Department's instructions to refrain at this critical time from making public statements other than those made in accordance with instructions of the Department of State.” [Ouch!]

10 Aug 40

Another advance is made to help keep the mainstay of the Turkish Army – the infantry – up to date. The next objective for Turkish researchers is to increase the attacking power of the artillery brigades, which will be important for future offensives.

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News Report: Brussels, Belgium. John Cudahy is recalled from his post for “consultation”. The UK Daily Mail quotes him as saying, “I do not retract one word from what I said.”

13 Aug 40

The sad news is received that Turkey’s last spy in France has been captured – this time by the French! Clouseau must have been given some reinforcements for the purpose. But we are no longer able to see what strength their operation has, with the last of our agents gone.

At a special Cabinet meeting that evening, convened by Prime Minister Celal Bayar, Turkey’s war goals are added to. These are now becoming somewhat in the realm of “wild wish lists”, but the international system can throw up some strange results, so the claims are lodged with the Comintern Secretariat anyway. Germany and Japan would now be made puppet states, Hungary would be conquered and Trieste is added to the territories formally demanded of Italy.

15 Aug 40

Naval Report. In good news for Turkey, all the recorded naval losses during the first half of August were suffered by Italy. Two submarine flotillas were sunk, while they also lost one heavy and one light cruiser to the British Royal Navy.

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The RM Zara was a heavy cruiser built for the Italian Regia Marina (Royal Navy), the lead ship of the Zara class. The ship was commissioned in October 1931, armed with a main battery of eight 8-inch (200 mm) guns and displacing 11,680 tons at standard load. The Zara was sunk in August 1940 by the British battle-cruiser HMS Renown.

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The RM Armando Diaz was a light cruiser of the Condottieri class and the sister-ship of the Luigi Cadorna. The ship was commissioned on 29 April 1933, had a main armament of 8 x 152 mm (6 in) guns in four turrets and displaced 5,406 tons at standard load. Sunk by the Nelson class British battleship HMS Rodney (which had a main armament of nine 16 in guns!) in August 1940. A direct hit from the Rodney would have likely blown this light cruiser apart.

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3. France and the Mediterranean

After weeks at sea, at 0200 on 8 July, RADM Cebesoy’s ‘Mk1 Eyeball’ sub flotilla reported very low organisation – it was ordered back to Athens to repair and refit.

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Not three hours after being ordered back to port, Cebesoy was intercepted by an Italian cruiser and attacked. After three hours of inconclusive combat off the Coast of Cape Matapan, Cebesoy was able to disengage and return to port.

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11 July brought news that a convoy from one of only two Turkish sea routes still in operation was lost off the Dodecanese. With plenty of spare convoys held back in Turkish ports, an occasional loss such as this can be sustained.

In Egypt, the British report that by midnight on 15 July they have made more significant advances in the last couple of weeks. The key locations of Sidi Barrani and then Bardia have been taken, with Allied forces now having reoccupied all the previously conquered provinces in Egypt. They have now advanced over the border into Libya, and are pressing on the key strategic fortified outpost of Tobruch.

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But in France, the news is grimmer. In the first half of August, the Germans have made slow but steady progress along various sectors on the Western Front. They inch ever closer to Paris with the occupation of Chateau Thierry, the scene of heavy fighting back in GW1. Of equal concern is the bridgehead over the River Marne they have seized at Mailly le Camp, now directly threatening the major French air base at Troyes. And further east, the Germans have advanced on a wide front between Neufchateau and St. Die, taking the fortifications of Epinal and threatening what remains of the Maginot Line still being held by the French, especially its northern-most point at Selestat.

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No further surrender progress has been yielded (still estimated by the Turkish Foreign Ministry as 29.1%), but the strategic situation in France continues to deteriorate. Even with Germany seriously distracted in the east, the French can’t seem to halt their advance, even where the ground should be favourable. There has been no movement in southern France, on Sardinia or French North Africa since 31 July.

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4. The East

Starting in the Far East, by the end of 15 August, the Japanese have picked up the pace and made rapid advances along the coast of the Sea of Japan. They have displaced the Soviet Far East submarine base at Innokentevsky way to the north, where they will find it even more difficult to operate against Japanese merchant shipping. The Soviet 25th Army remains in full retreat but is still largely intact. There is still no indication of when the Japanese assault may run out of steam (perhaps because of supply difficulties) or the Soviets might be able to consolidate a defensive line with properly supplied, rested and dug-in troops.

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The great trek east for the Romanian relief force continues, with them now tracking past to the north of the Aral Sea.

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Let’s hope their fate will not be the same as for the Russian Fleet at the Battle of Tsushima Strait in 1905!

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The above map shows the route taken by the main body of the Russian ‘Second Pacific Squadron’ (in blue) from the Baltic. It set out on 15 October 1904, only to meet its almost complete destruction in the Sea of Japan on 27 May 1905, at the hands of the Japanese in the Battle of Tsushima Strait. In poor condition after a long approach to the theatre, then thrown in against a better equipped, more experienced and better led force … oh dear, this could end in tears for our gallant Romanian brothers-in-arms!

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Turning to the Eastern Front, midnight on 15 August sees the Soviet Sector not much changed in net terms during the first half of the month. To-and-fro exchanges of territory continue. In the north, the Red Army retook Rietavas, once again cleansing the Lithuanian SSR of Nazi pollution. They pushed on to Memel and seized it, holding it for some time before being ejected again by a German counter-attack. Germany held the much-contested Gumbinnen throughout the period and managed to once again expand into Sowalki, to its south-east. On the Polish Front and the Soviet bridgehead over the Bug River, the Germans narrowed it by retaking Wlodawa, but the Soviets deepened it by reoccupying Bilgoraj. On this sector at least, Soviet numerical advantage and the lack of German mechanised units seems to be counteracting the Nazi’s ‘Destiny Putsch’. Honours are again even.

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In the Romanian Sector, on the evening of 4 August the Soviets report they have yet again occupied Debrecen, throwing out the defending German 35th Inf Div. The Soviets now have forces in action all along the front, from Eastern Hungary and along most of the Romanian-Hungarian border.

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However, by 15 August, while the Soviets have maintained their early gains in the north and still hold Debrecen, the Axis have regained some ground in the centre, around Karcag and Bekes. A net positive for the Comintern, but not decisively so. The question remains: if Turkey was able to muster some ‘spare’ troops, could their injection into the Battle for Hungary prove decisive? Or could it weaken the Yeniçeri Line sufficiently to allow an Axis breakthrough, with not enough reserves in place to plus any gap or reinforce a hard-pressed defence? As 1st Army Commander and President, Ismet Inönü will be putting these questions and more to his Cabinet for consideration shortly.

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The Turkish Sector sees no more Axis ground attacks in the first half of August. Indeed, all is quiet until the early morning of 15 August, when the air raid alarms are again heard in Ada at 0100. Ju-86 (TAC) bombers of the quaintly named I and II Bombázóosztály of the Hungarian Air Force commence a series of raids that continue throughout the day. Whether this is just random harassment of the ‘softening up’ for another attack is unknown. Casualty reports come in during the day, with the first night raid killing 45 troops, 131 in the mid-morning and another 129 by 1700. There are no more raids that night, and by midnight no ground attack had materialised.

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Coming Up: The second part of this two-weekly update will set up for the important War Cabinet Meeting of 16 August 1940. It will cover the Secret War; the unit production pipeline and what unit will be coming on line in the next few months; and the agenda for the meeting, decisions to be made and advice sought on them. Out soon.
 
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Chapter 88: Decision Time – Cabinet Pre-Brief (15 August 1940)
Chapter 88: Decision Time – Cabinet Pre-Brief (15 August 1940)

Editor’s Note. As promised, following on from the operational update for the first half of August 1940, this episode covers the remaining reports provided to the full War Cabinet in preparation for its meeting of 16 August 1940. At this meeting, the current and options for future direction during the rest of 1940 will be considered. In the main, the key decision is whether to maintain the current course – where Turkey essentially remains on the strategic defensive – or to risk a small to medium scale offensive somewhere in the Turkish or Romanian sectors of the Eastern Front. As mentioned previously, all contributors need to know to comment is a quick look at where things stand and an opinion. While the agenda is designed to promote discussion and summarises current Government thinking on broad options, any reasonable discussion or suggestion is welcome from any correspondent, whether heard from before or not and whether on the Cabinet Agenda or not.

1. The Secret War

On 15 August, Ögel provides a foreign intelligence service update for Cabinet to consider, as a decision is required on where their efforts should focus next. The last few weeks have seen the sad demise of the Turkish spy network in France. There are now four agents on hold back in Ankara. Ögel advises he would like 12 in hand to launch a new network (and not in Japan again). 10 to go in hard to try to overcome the enemy’s domestic counter-espionage network, plus at least two replacements for any casualties, to keep the pressure up.

His preferred target would be Italy – they might have something worth stealing, are a significant enemy, but are not as likely to have as powerful a domestic counter-espionage capacity as Germany. And we owe them one. He wants Cabinet to advise whether it agrees on the target choice, and then request a modest increase in LS allocation to speed up the training of new agents.

On the ‘wet ops’ front, news of the presumed demise of Luca Brasi has put a dent in plans, but there is agitation for a counter-stroke against the Italian Mafia in Sicily. Specifically, the Tattaglias, who it appears are also in a loose partnership with the Italian Government via the OVGA. This might help prepare the way for the more conventional spy network they hope to establish. But mainly, for revenge: not petty revenge, but the type that is designed to make the opposition think twice before trying something again. While 'Vito' Ceylan has been advocating a cool and measured response, ‘Sonny’ Ceylan, his rather more hot-headed son, wants to go after Bruno Tattaglia - hard.

Warning: censored movie Mafia-speak within. Open spoiler at your own peril!

Sonny has summarised his views in a memo to Ögel:

“I want us to get this f*©# where he breathes! I want to find this butana, Bruno Tattaglia. I want him DEAD! I want his family DEAD! I want his house burned to the GROUND! I wanna go there in the middle of the night and I wanna P!$$ ON HIS ASHES!”

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“I want him DEAD!” Sonny Ceylan advocating the direct approach.
[With apologies to the Untouchables – it all melds together here in Alt-Mafialand!]

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Vito Ceylan’s advice is simpler and more familiar: “Revenge is a dish best served cold.”

Which approach should S.I.T.H. take in this matter?

2. Production Report

In order to assist the deliberations of Cabinet, the current Turkish production program is provided. The particular focus is on new army units coming on line, and when they might be available to help assemble a strategic strike force of sufficient strength for an independent Turkish offensive.

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Key points to note:
  • New MOT and TD brigades will be ready in early September. The TDs would go to 1 Cav Div in place of the current AC brigade and should be up to full organisation before the end of September. The MOT brigade would be held to start a new mobile division.

  • A new ARM brigade will be available on 4 November and second MOT on 8 December. Combined with the AC brigade from 1 Cav Div and the MOT produced in September, this would constitute a second MOT-heavy mobile division.

  • Two garrison brigades with be ready in October, which will be able to relieve some units still being held behind the line for offensive operations.

  • A full new standard infantry division (3 x INF+ARTY) will come on line on 12 Nov and should be fully organised by around the end of that month.

  • Other sundry infantry and artillery production would produce the equivalent of another infantry division by the end of November.
In summary: 1 Cav Div will be properly constituted for offensive operations by end September, but could fight now – mainly for exploitation, rather than the initial line breach. The equivalent of two new infantry divisions will be ready by end November and a reinforced MOT division by the end of the year.

3. Forces Currently in Reserve

Without stripping the Yeniçeri Line completely bare, HQ 1st Army staff reports to Cabinet that they believe they could currently assemble a scratch corps of:
  • 1 Cav Div (2 x ARM+MOT+AC). Currently the 1st Army Reserve, holding in Kraljevo.

  • 1 Inf Div (3 x INF+ARTY). The 1st Corps reserve, in the centre at Valjevo.

  • 8 Inf Div (Light) (2 x INF+AT+ARTY). The 3rd Corps reserve, currently holding in Timisoara in Romania, which for now is no longer under direct threat.

  • 12 Inf Div (Support) (2 x INF+AT+AA). Currently in reserve for 2nd Corps in the south, at Pljevlja.

  • 15 Inf Div (3 x INF+ARTY). Detached from 3rd Corps in Athens, currently earmarked for a landing on Rhodes, which would be indefinitely delayed if an offensive was to be launched soon.
The three reinforced Corps HQs would have to act as emergency reserve forces in case of a major Axis attack on the line.

Depending on timing, some reserve forces currently held further back may need to be brought forward to reconstitute army reserve force for 1st Army, in case of an Axis counter-attack on the thinned line:
  • 2 Cav Div (3 x CAV+AC) sits in Istanbul and 4 Inf Div (Light) (2 x INF+AT) in Gelibolu, both guarding the Calistar Line from amphibious attack and providing entrenched defence in case of a major collapse of the line further north – which now seems unlikely in the near term.

  • The light Quick Reaction Force remains in Ankara, currently consisting of 2 x CAV+LARM.
4. War Cabinet Agenda for 16 August 1940

Cabinet is not necessarily being asked to make any detailed operation decisions, but to provide advice on broad strategy and approach.

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The new Glorious Union Cabinet Room in Istanbul. It can accommodate meetings not only of the Turkish National War Cabinet, but also full meetings of the Council of Premiers of the Glorious Union. But the Premiers are not invited to the War Cabinet, of which Turkey retains strict national control. The room lies in readiness for the pivotal meeting of 16 August 1940.

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Item 1 - Offensive Options

Situation. Ögel’s analysts provide the following assessments. Basically, the broad strategic drivers revolve around the following:
  • France seems to be slowly sinking in the west, even with the current intervention by the Comintern in the east.
    • Key Questions: Will they fail without a more dramatic effort in the east? Would that make any difference? How much do we care if they fall or not?
  • The main Soviet-German sector in the east appears to be in stalemate.
    • Key Questions: Is that enough to exert adequate pressure on Germany? Would one more Turkish corps applied to an offensive have any appreciable strategic effect – mainly on the survivability of distant France?
  • Hungary looks vulnerable and the Soviets are putting in a larger effort there now, while the Turkish sector has been almost completely inactive and not heavily defended by the Axis.
    • Key Questions: Would a corps-sized Turkish intervention be enough to decisively change the balance? Or would an offensive be better launched on Turkey’s own sector, even though that may not directly lead to the seizure of Hungary’s key VP cities any time soon. Would it be a safer alternative that might still provide some diversion? Or would it be a waste with no great strategic gain to be had?
  • The strength of the Italian defence of Rhodes is not known exactly, but appears to be stronger than was met on the Dodecanese. The Turkish Air Force has been held back from probing Rhodes until the broader strategic questions have been answered. But it can be assumed that an Italian garrison division would be in place, add would at least one INT wing.
    • Key Questions: Is an assault on Rhodes worth pursuing? If an offensive is decided on the main front, should the attack on Rhodes be postponed, perhaps indefinitely? What benefits would it yield if successful? Should a recon in force by the INT wing be ordered to assess the defences more accurately or would they be easy prey to more modern Italian fighters likely stationed there?
Timing Issues. If an assault force is assembled, what should the timing be for its assembly and readiness for attack?
  • Immediately, with the forces available now, muster within one-two weeks depending on the target for an attack (ie by end August – though 15 Inf Div may take a bit longer)?

  • By the end of September, with 1 Cav Div brought up to full strength and more time to bring up depth formations.

  • Wait until end November, with a couple more infantry divisions on hand and more depth reserve units brought forward.

  • Or a winter offensive at the end of December, with another MOT division available.
Other Factors
  • Whether Axis forces are likely to grow stronger due to production or weaker following attrition by the end of the year is unknown.

  • As is France’s ability to continue to resist and thus provide the diversion to Germany needed for some limited offensive success in the east to be achieved.

  • Also, the German ‘Destiny’ event will expire on 5 December, which will remove that combat bonus from that point.

  • A contingency option could be to plan for a later intervention, assess developments, but be position and prepared to act earlier of an opportunity presented itself or conditions turned for the worst in the west and a further diversion was desired.

  • Though if France looks lost, it could be wiser to preserve units and manpower for the onslaught that would come once the German’s premier armoured units are finally freed up for the move east.
Item 2 – Espionage Training

In the Secret War:
  • Should Turkey say double (from 0.20 now to 0.40 or even 0.50) LS expenditure on espionage), to build up a large spy reserve more quickly?

  • Or is it not worth it – would the LS be better spent in research and officer training (which has gradually built up to 113%, but will decrease again when the new wave of units come into service over the next four months.

  • And, for a next espionage target (whether shorter on longer in coming), does Italy sound right, or are there other options and opinions on what other targets may be worthwhile?
Item 3 – S.I.T.H. Objectives

For the ‘wet ops’ team and it's reaction to events in Italy:
  • Does Cabinet favour a rapid and violent response to the presumed liquidation of Luca Brasi by the Tattaglias – “going to the matresses” in ‘Sonny’ Ceylan style?

  • Or should more be discovered first and an elaborate plot devised for an eventual revenge, as 'Vito' Ceylan would prefer?
Either way, Darth Kelebek, Cennet and no doubt some other – as yet unmet in this chronicle – S.I.T.H. agents (both ‘soldiers’ and ‘capos’) would be involved, whatever is decided.

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Editor’s Postscript. The views of you, dear readers – valued Cabinet advisers and experts – are very much welcomed. The President and Prime Minister are quite happy for a full and free debate to take place behind closed doors. So long as no-one mistakenly thinks that democracy (*spits disgustedly on the ground*, in Slovakian ‘Inevitable Defeat’ style, per El Pip) is about to break out. There will be no vote, but all views will be heard. As always, President and Milli Çef Inönü will make the final call.

Coming Up: A Special War Cabinet Meeting will be held in Istanbul (it's closer to the front for the President than Ankara) on 16 August 1940 to decide where Turkey and the Glorious Union should next turn its attentions. Turkey’s ‘warrior king’ Inönü will fly back to be present. Until then, the above Cabinet Agenda Items, plus any relevant consideration or strategic debate on the immediate future of the Great Liberation War, are open for discussion. Come one, come all!
 
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All right. Here we go.

From the point of view of the Soviet Union, we would most like to see Turkey committing forces to taking Hungary out of the war. The Romanians can't seem to do it on their own, and we have all ready committed too many divisions in this sector.

The addition of a single Turkish corps is unlikely to have a significant impact on France, unless the German high command over-reacts of course...

The timing of the attack is trickier, but we believe it would be most effective, with at least 1st Cav Division up to full strength. To increase chances of success, we recommend attacking in December, once German troops loose a bit of their initial enthusiasm (The 'Destiny' modifier ends), as Turkey should then have a real mobile force, and it's effect will be felt more harshly.
The one issue with this timetable is France, if France can hold on until December, the attack would best take place in December, in consort with our probable Winter offensive. But, if the attack happens too long after the fall of France, it will easily be thwarted by those Panzer Divisions moving in from France. In conclusion, we believe that the best timing for an attack on Hungary would be December, but if the fall of France appears imminent, the Turkish Army should be ready to move earlier in order to have a realistic chance of knocking Hungary out of the war before German reinforcements arrive.

During the waiting period, an attempt may be made on Rhodi with a single Infantry Division. There are many advantages to taking Rhodi, but the most important is depriving Italy of a base (both Air and Naval) in the North-Eastern Mediterranean. If Italy were to reach the Suez canal, they could easily send some Divisions up to Rhodi, using the island as a staging ground for a surprise invasion of the Turkish mainland. We encourage scouting of the island, as knowledge of the forces present there is capital to capturing the place. If it were up to me I'd send a Soviet Paratrooper Division and it's transports to Turkey to make things easier...

Officer training should be the priority, so no significant increase in spy training, we have seen the problems caused by a lack of officers first hand in the Soviet Union. Your Turkish army isn't very big, and making up for that by training the men hard, buying Soviet Equipment, and including many officers is definitely the right move.
Italy as a next target should be interesting, while they may not have much technology the Soviet Union doesn't have, the surely have a lot of technology Turkey doesn't have. Add that to their limited leadership, and probably weak counterespionage, and Italy seems like the perfect candidate for your next espionage mission.

As a, non-existant, member of the GRU, I am a big fan of long term revenge plans, served nice and cold. So I'm with Vito Ceylan on this.

I'm looking forward to both Turkish military and sneaky revenge plans,

SkitalecS3

OOC: Funny how Hirota is Foreign Minister in your game too, this is correct in the sense that he was foreign Minister in 1936, Prime Minister in 1936-1937, and foreign Minister again in 1937-1938. But then he was forces into retirement back to the diplomatic service. The fact that he isn't retired indicates that the Japanese take the Soviet Union to be their foremost enemy, unlike OTL, where Hirota was forced out due to his desire to end the war in China to be able to face the Soviet Union. So it sort of sticks with Japan's renewed agression towards the Soviet Union in TFH, and Hirota is thus perfectly anti-Soviet for your ATL...
 
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All right. Here we go...
Many thanks for this first excellent and substantive contribution, Agent SkitalecS3! :). There will be some heads nodding around the Cabinet table at much of this analysis from the Fraternal Soviet Ally. But I will reserve detailed replies until the full range of opinions has been heard.

OOC: yes, interesting similarities and differences the game throws up in some appointments. In mine, it obstinately refuses to change either Litvinov or von Neurath as FMs, and has Marshall as SECSTATE in the US! Strange result in the 1940 French election as well. But I like it from an alt-historic perspective.
 
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Well, at the moment the way ahead is going to depend on unforeseen events but to this general, I like Turkey's chances.

I agree with rover; Should we not make certain that Hungary is made part of our immediate family?:) Looking at the Front and seeing the limited forces you may have to risk...how 'bout sending a recon-flight over the Terrain for us to see the lay of the land ahead?
 
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Situation.
  • Hungary looks vulnerable and the Soviets are putting in a larger effort there now, while the Turkish sector has been almost completely inactive and not heavily defended by the Axis.
    • Key Questions: Would a corps-sized Turkish intervention be enough to decisively change the balance? Or would an offensive be better launched on Turkey’s own sector, even though that may not directly lead to the seizure of Hungary’s key VP cities any time soon. Would it be a safer alternative that might still provide some diversion? Or would it be a waste with no great strategic gain to be had?

I say go for Hungary. Reasons : We can add to the weight of the Soviet Armed Forces AND it will give us some results within a measured amount of time. Our side gains important cities and Germany may have to send in their own divisions.

To me Rhodes is just something to pick up after Italy is starting to crumble. The Soviet-German sector would be hard to access and supply. And for France the same reasons. How do we get there? How many ports will we need to send coveys to? How long will it take to get there in enough numbers to help push back the Germans.
 
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Hungary is the obvious option for all the reasons discussed, I've nothing to add to those recommendations. Striking on December 6th would be the best option, but Turkey should be prepared to attack earlier if France totters further.

Comrade Eurasia also makes a very valid point about Rhodes, taking it now will not help the war effort - The Royal Navy is strong enough in the Med and the British are finally making efforts in North Africa so the area should stay secure enough for the foreseeable. It's something that can easily be picked up later or just left till the peace treaty.

Espionage training and SITH. As I may have intimated previously, Turkish intelligence is probably just about up to taking on the Mafia (though not without cost as Luca found out) but against a proper intelligence agency it is badly out of it's league. To be brutal any investment of leadership is a waste, get 10 spies at home plus a couple of reserves and then zero funding. The Italian OVRA were a very competent outfit, at least until Italy was invaded, and I cannot see this ending well for Turkish Intelligence if they try to operate on their turf. This also points to any revenge having to be a long planned thing, after all there will be plenty of time to settle the "family" accounts later. Though I doubt that will stop Sonny doing something rash.

And to Persephonee - Scorn and defiance; slight regard, contempt, and any thing that may not misbecome the mighty sender. Thus do I prize her at.
 
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I think an offence in Hungary in November will be the best with 1 and 2 Cav, the QRF and the new Mot (as reserve until it's second Mot-Brig. is ready) to strike fast. The two new Inf shall replace 2 Cav and QRF in their positions.

And keep the spy-training at its level until more leadership is available until officer ratio reaches at least 120%. Italy as target sounds well. They have plenty of navy and air force techs to steal for us.
 
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The German Ambassador to Ankara in May 1940 was none other than Franz von Papen, the former Chancellor of Germany

Whaaaaaaat? Ataturk's favourite German....

who had been succeeded by – and indeed facilitated the ascension of – Adolf Hitler.

'Yes, we know who you are. EXTERMINATE!'

“Mr President, may I speak freely” asks Papen, “or must I use the nicety of diplomatic language to convey the Deputy Führer’s message?”

The words came out of his mouth slightly less confidently than he had planned, as whilst he had been speaking, a door that had not been there opened and spewed forth a dark mass of a being that sat on a small wooden stool right next to Papen. It glanced down at him briefly with all the repressed rage of a hibernating bear gifted an alarm clock and then took out some knitting and began in earnest.

“I am no tyrant, but a civilised Turk and President. Therefore with frank and uncurbed plainness tell us the Deputy Führer’s mind.”

Papen nodded, this was his moment to shine, to cow these ridiculous foreigners that's Germany would crush them underfoot and scrape them off with explosives before they'd get anywhere near Berlin. Unforutnaly, that damned Turk was sitting next to him and knitting rather more loudly now, in a manner that seemed to be designed to create the most unnerving clicking sounds possible. Papen tried to carry on with the brief anyway, presenting the German sausage bag for turkish inspection

“Bratwurst, my President,” reports Aras, with a raised eyebrow.

The utter silence in the room pleased Papen at first, till he realised that the figure had stopped knitting. In fact, it appeared to have snapped its needles. The figure rose and looked...or Papen thought it was looking, at the beautiful sausages he had brought at great expense, donated from the finest families in all of Germany.

Suddenly his vision filled with sausage. Papen yelped in shock as he found himself being slowly strangled by a long train of the pink meat, held at the other end by the dark presence, much like a lion tamer held a whip. Eyes bulging but nose filled with the rather delightful smell of cooking meat...till Papen realised what that meant and began screaming with what little breath he could, the Germans ambassador fell to the floor, covered in his own now burning hot sausages.

The president, whom had been watching quietly up until this point, inclined his head at Kelebek, whom nodded back and clicked their nonexistent fingers. The meat leapt eagerly into a tightly rolled pile back in the box and was now well cooked. S.I.T.H. agents took the box away to feed the dogs that were to be fattened up for the crocodile and bear pit. Kelebek then kicked Papen out of the door (the president had probably given a speech but really, who wasn't listening to that?) and, satisfied with a good update's work, left the room with his near-finished kitten scarf.

After Papen’s uncomfortable and hasty departure, with the clumsy German attempt to insult and bully Turkey having failed so spectacularly, Aras turned to his President and remarked: “That was a merry message!”

Japanese Foreign Minister Hirota Koki [Matsuoka Yosuke in OTL] formally announces the concept of a Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.

They plan to do then not bey improving the lot of Asia but by making the rest of the world look worse in comparisons, by setting it on fire. Ministry staff applaud the new and innovative approach to economics.

Another Turkish spy is caught in Paris – this time by Canada!

Canada, eh?

given Inspector Clouseau’s hopeless French counter-espionage operation is now reduced to zero agents – presumably by separate Axis action

Ah, but 'zere you 'av fallen for my little scheme! I 'ave simply renamed all my agents to pastry chefs and garden cleaners. You will nevar find zem now!

John Cudahy is recalled from his post for “consultation”. The UK Daily Mail quotes him as saying, “I do not retract one word from what I said.”

How dare he speak his mind and not toe the party line! Doesn't he know that it's a free country?

At a special Cabinet meeting that evening, convened by Prime Minister Celal Bayar, Turkey’s war goals are added to. These are now becoming somewhat in the realm “wild wish lists”, but the international system can throw up some strange results, so the claims are lodged with the Comintern Secretariat anyway. Germany and Japan would now be made puppet states, Hungary would be conquered and Trieste is added to the territories formally demanded of Italy.

There is no way in hell Stalin is letting us have Germany. I doubt it will even exist if they take it, it'll probably get broken up again into soviet states. Hungary and Italy though...maybe?

After weeks at sea, at 0200 on 8 July, RADM Cebesoy’s ‘Mk1 Eyeball’ sub flotilla reported very low organisation – it was ordered back to Athens to repair and refit.

Their eyes were watching god. They got tired.

In Egypt, the British report that by midnight on 15 July they have made more significant advances in the last couple of weeks. The key locations of Sidi Barrani and then Bardia have been taken, with Allied forces now having reoccupied all the previously conquered provinces in Egypt. They have now advanced over the border into Libya, and are pressing on the key strategic fortified outpost of Tobruch.

If Italy loses Africa, fascism there is toast. Germany may well end up winning in France only to have to invade Italy. Which would be hilarious.

And further east, the Germans have advanced on a wide front between Neufchateau and St. Die, taking the fortifications of Epinal and threatening what remains of the Maginot Line still being held by the French, especially its northern-most point at Selestat.

See above.

Honours are again even.

Or odds are again even, you might say.
 
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France seems to be slowly sinking in the west, even with the current intervention by the Comintern in the east.
  • Key Questions: Will they fail without a more dramatic effort in the east? Would that make any difference? How much do we care if they fall or not?

Well we can't actually do anything about it anyway, but the only thing I can see affecting things now is how France dies, of it dies. Because France has this unfortunate habit of giving everything to the uk when it's dying. This means that far from weakening the allies, Germany just boosted the British empire to being unbeatable in Africa and having solid and good reasons to arrive in Europe to curb stomp their tired armies. If France doesn't do that, then indeed it is bad for the allies. It's also bad for Germany because at that point they have to pacify France and guard the coast and fight the Royal Navy and fight in the eastern front. And they have to start helpin Italy in Africa too...

Yeah...don't know how this one is going down but not good for anyone. Not even us, if Uk gets supercharged and gets super Churchill at the wheel later on. Goodbye easy middle eastern conquests if that happens!

The main Soviet-German sector in the east appears to be in stalemate.
  • Key Questions: Is that enough to exert adequate pressure on Germany? Would one more Turkish corps applied to an offensive have any appreciable strategic effect – mainly on the survivability of distant France?

No.

Hungary looks vulnerable and the Soviets are putting in a larger effort there now, while the Turkish sector has been almost completely inactive and not heavily defended by the Axis.
  • Key Questions: Would a corps-sized Turkish intervention be enough to decisively change the balance? Or would an offensive be better launched on Turkey’s own sector, even though that may not directly lead to the seizure of Hungary’s key VP cities any time soon. Would it be a safer alternative that might still provide some diversion?

No. And just because it's our only viable option doesn't mean we should do it just because. Yes Minister principle of action here, something must be done, this is something, let's do it IS A TERRIBLE IDEA. If there is a way though, maybe we should look into it.

The strength of the Italian defence of Rhodes is not known exactly, but appears to be stronger than was met on the Dodecanese. The Turkish Air Force has been held back from probing Rhodes until the broader strategic questions have been answered. But it can be assumed that an Italian garrison division would be in place, add would at least one INT wing.
  • Key Questions: Is an assault on Rhodes worth pursuing? If an offensive is decided on the main front, should the attack on Rhodes be postponed, perhaps indefinitely? What benefits would it yield if successful? Should a recon in force by the INT wing be ordered to assess the defences more accurately or would they be easy prey to more modern Italian fighters likely stationed there?

I was actually leaning towards doing this one but El Pip is right. There's no real point, unless the Italians are preparing to do something with it themselves. In that case, we need to take it out asap. Otherwise, let them rot. We'd be better off fighting in Africa or Sicily...which we aren't capable of doing.

Either way, Darth Kelebek, Cennet and no doubt some other – as yet unmet in this chronicle – S.I.T.H. agents (both ‘soldiers’ and ‘capos’) would be involved, whatever is decided.

I mean...obviously Kelebek would do both. But again, the others are right that aside from the dark magic of S.I.T.H., turkey isn't up to fighting a proper intelligence service on its own soil. Maybe when Africa turns into a nightmare for Italy and the fascists are already fighting with keeping rebels suppressed but not before. Heck, we can help the rebels if it comes to it. Maybe fighting and pushing the Italians out of Yugoslavia would be a good idea after all? If we can do it that is...might be easier once Hungary really starts to die.
 
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Whaaaaaaat? Ataturk's favourite German....



'Yes, we know who you are. EXTERMINATE!'



The words came out of his mouth slightly less confidently than he had planned, as whilst he had been speaking, a door that had not been there opened and spewed forth a dark mass of a being that sat on a small wooden stool right next to Papen. It glanced down at him briefly with all the repressed rage of a hibernating bear gifted an alarm clock and then took out some knitting and began in earnest.



Papen nodded, this was his moment to shine, to cow these ridiculous foreigners that's Germany would crush them underfoot and scrape them off with explosives before they'd get anywhere near Berlin. Unforutnaly, that damned Turk was sitting next to him and knitting rather more loudly now, in a manner that seemed to be designed to create the most unnerving clicking sounds possible. Papen tried to carry on with the brief anyway, presenting the German sausage bag for turkish inspection



The utter silence in the room pleased Papen at first, till he realised that the figure had stopped knitting. In fact, it appeared to have snapped its needles. The figure rose and looked...or Papen thought it was looking, at the beautiful sausages he had brought at great expense, donated from the finest families in all of Germany.

Suddenly his vision filled with sausage. Papen yelped in shock as he found himself being slowly strangled by a long train of the pink meat, held at the other end by the dark presence, much like a lion tamer held a whip. Eyes bulging but nose filled with the rather delightful smell of cooking meat...till Papen realised what that meant and began screaming with what little breath he could, the Germans ambassador fell to the floor, covered in his own now burning hot sausages.

The president, whom had been watching quietly up until this point, inclined his head at Kelebek, whom nodded back and clicked their nonexistent fingers. The meat leapt eagerly into a tightly rolled pile back in the box and was now well cooked. S.I.T.H. agents took the box away to feed the dogs that were to be fattened up for the crocodile and bear pit. Kelebek then kicked Papen out of the door (the president had probably given a speech but really, who wasn't listening to that?) and, satisfied with a good update's work, left the room with his near-finished kitten scarf.





They plan to do then not bey improving the lot of Asia but by making the rest of the world look worse in comparisons, by setting it on fire. Ministry staff applaud the new and innovative approach to economics.



Canada, eh?



Ah, but 'zere you 'av fallen for my little scheme! I 'ave simply renamed all my agents to pastry chefs and garden cleaners. You will nevar find zem now!



How dare he speak his mind and not toe the party line! Doesn't he know that it's a free country?



There is no way in hell Stalin is letting us have Germany. I doubt it will even exist if they take it, it'll probably get broken up again into soviet states. Hungary and Italy though...maybe?



Their eyes were watching god. They got tired.



If Italy loses Africa, fascism there is toast. Germany may well end up winning in France only to have to invade Italy. Which would be hilarious.



See above.



Or odds are again even, you might say.
Just an initial acknowledgment of these detailed and humorous comments! Always good to see the alt-alt history of the Dark Sude [ed Side] from the Red Butterfly (aka Darth Kelebek). And Sith Lords - always an apprentice they have, yes!
 
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Well we can't actually do anything about it anyway, but the only thing I can see affecting things now is how France dies, of it dies. Because France has this unfortunate habit of giving everything to the uk when it's dying. This means that far from weakening the allies, Germany just boosted the British empire to being unbeatable in Africa and having solid and good reasons to arrive in Europe to curb stomp their tired armies. If France doesn't do that, then indeed it is bad for the allies. It's also bad for Germany because at that point they have to pacify France and guard the coast and fight the Royal Navy and fight in the eastern front. And they have to start helpin Italy in Africa too...

Yeah...don't know how this one is going down but not good for anyone. Not even us, if Uk gets supercharged and gets super Churchill at the wheel later on. Goodbye easy middle eastern conquests if that happens!



No.



No. And just because it's our only viable option doesn't mean we should do it just because. Yes Minister principle of action here, something must be done, this is something, let's do it IS A TERRIBLE IDEA. If there is a way though, maybe we should look into it.



I was actually leaning towards doing this one but El Pip is right. There's no real point, unless the Italians are preparing to do something with it themselves. In that case, we need to take it out asap. Otherwise, let them rot. We'd be better off fighting in Africa or Sicily...which we aren't capable of doing.



I mean...obviously Kelebek would do both. But again, the others are right that aside from the dark magic of S.I.T.H., turkey isn't up to fighting a proper intelligence service on its own soil. Maybe when Africa turns into a nightmare for Italy and the fascists are already fighting with keeping rebels suppressed but not before. Heck, we can help the rebels if it comes to it. Maybe fighting and pushing the Italians out of Yugoslavia would be a good idea after all? If we can do it that is...might be easier once Hungary really starts to die.
And again for these as part of the Cabinet pre-brief. Always useful to get a range of views, as the decisions chosen here for debate all have elements of grey to them. No point referring black and white issues to such an august body!
 
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I think an offence in Hungary in November will be the best with 1 and 2 Cav, the QRF and the new Mot (as reserve until it's second Mot-Brig. is ready) to strike fast. The two new Inf shall replace 2 Cav and QRF in their positions.

And keep the spy-training at its level until more leadership is available until officer ratio reaches at least 120%. Italy as target sounds well. They have plenty of navy and air force techs to steal for us.
Thanks racebear, more helpful input for the Cabinet. Main discussion will be summarised in the next chapter.
 
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Hungary is the obvious option for all the reasons discussed, I've nothing to add to those recommendations. Striking on December 6th would be the best option, but Turkey should be prepared to attack earlier if France totters further.

Comrade Eurasia also makes a very valid point about Rhodes, taking it now will not help the war effort - The Royal Navy is strong enough in the Med and the British are finally making efforts in North Africa so the area should stay secure enough for the foreseeable. It's something that can easily be picked up later or just left till the peace treaty.

Espionage training and SITH. As I may have intimated previously, Turkish intelligence is probably just about up to taking on the Mafia (though not without cost as Luca found out) but against a proper intelligence agency it is badly out of it's league. To be brutal any investment of leadership is a waste, get 10 spies at home plus a couple of reserves and then zero funding. The Italian OVRA were a very competent outfit, at least until Italy was invaded, and I cannot see this ending well for Turkish Intelligence if they try to operate on their turf. This also points to any revenge having to be a long planned thing, after all there will be plenty of time to settle the "family" accounts later. Though I doubt that will stop Sonny doing something rash.

And to Persephonee - Scorn and defiance; slight regard, contempt, and any thing that may not misbecome the mighty sender. Thus do I prize her at.
Thanks El Pip - very helpful re Cabinet prep.

Re Persephonee: noted, oh Bard, but as you get to know her better (she will emerge from under BJ’s shadow as a character now he has flown the coop) one day you may come to judge her more kindly :). Or not. Once you’ve walked some miles in her shoes (6 in stilettos of course, not made for walking :D). We shall see one day - and that day may never come ;).
 
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Well, at the moment the way ahead is going to depend on unforeseen events but to this general, I like Turkey's chances.

I agree with rover; Should we not make certain that Hungary is made part of our immediate family?:) Looking at the Front and seeing the limited forces you may have to risk...how 'bout sending a recon-flight over the Terrain for us to see the lay of the land ahead?
Noted, Cabinet always respects the views of Professor Markkur from the Strategic Institute :). Noted to re a recon flight - though they could be shot down with all those Hungarian fighters stationed nearby. But worth considering.
I say go for Hungary. Reasons : We can add to the weight of the Soviet Armed Forces AND it will give us some results within a measured amount of time. Our side gains important cities and Germany may have to send in their own divisions.

To me Rhodes is just something to pick up after Italy is starting to crumble. The Soviet-German sector would be hard to access and supply. And for France the same reasons. How do we get there? How many ports will we need to send coveys to? How long will it take to get there in enough numbers to help push back the Germans.
Again, thanks for the points Comrade Eurasia. Re France, to clarify: not talking about sending anything to France, but whether a Turkish offensive would do them any good at all by diverting any more German forces east if we could make a breakthrough. A dubious prospect, but it goes to one of the reasons for considering such an offensive in the first place and how many birds the one stone can potentially kill. NB: no actual or virtual birds would be killed in this AAR: just figurative ones :D. And lots of virtual people :(:eek:.
 
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Always good to see the alt-alt history of the Dark Sude from the Red Butterfly (aka Darth Kelebek).

Is that dark suds or dark suede? Either one is a cause for concern in men of your age bracket. :D
 
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Noted, Cabinet always respects the views of Professor Markkur from the Strategic Institute :). Noted to re a recon flight - though they could be shot down with all those Hungarian fighters stationed nearby. But worth considering.
Don't forget the very ancient saying; "No guts no...Photographs.";)
 
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