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I’d have to move up the establishment of the Purépecha empire since the rise of the Mexica was moved up a few hundred years. As in OTL, its first ruler received a vision telling him to unite the Purépecha peoples. This would be around the mid-12th century, once the Mexica expansion is well underway. The Mexica Empire would not have gotten far into the Mihoacán region yet, instead focusing on northern expansion onto the Liao Plains. Early Fusang merchants dock in the harbors of Mihoacán, Colima, and Jalisco, finding that the latter two regions had saltpeter that could be used for gunpowder and the former had plentiful tin, gold, and silver. Considering the Purépecha more civilized than their neighbors due to their advanced metallurgy, the Fusang court sends diplomats to negotiate an alliance and monks to convert their rulers. Iron weapons, gunpowder, and horses are granted to them in exchange for saltpeter, tin, gold, silver, conversion to Buddhism, and submission to the emperor. Muslims also make some converts in the port cities. The conversion and Sinicization of the Purépecha is used as a model for subsequent policies in Tawantinsuyu both to secure more resources and to counter the Mexica. Acapulco (Nahua: Acapolco, Chinese: 蘆港 Lúgǎng "Reed Port" from the etymology of the Nahua name with "Port" added on) is founded as a trade outpost to handle the trans-Pacific trade routes, with a nearby military base to protect the merchants from the Mexica. It survives long after the Purépecha themselves are conquered but ultimately falls in the same military campaigns that see the fall of Zhumasi and Tufangjia.
Would the Almoravid, Taifa of Seville, and Norse exiles that went to Mexico and Mayapan not be able to support a metallurgy industry then for the same reason you initially thought Fusang wouldn't be able to produce bronze weapons? If so, what impact would that have on the logistics of Sunset invasion?
Speaking of trans-Atlantic interactions, I think I’d like the Scandinavian colonies in Vinland to survive a bit longer. While they’d bring some livestock like pigs and knowledge of metallurgy, they’d also bring some diseases around the same time if not earlier than Fusang, causing regular epidemics of varying intensities (about 5-10% fatality rate) with the end result of encouraging political centralization and the development of sedentary societies (while towns were hotbeds for diseases, they also had more resources and social organization to deal with them than hunter-gatherer societies). The social upheavals caused by these epidemics also encourages the spread of new religious movements, conversions to Buddhism/Christianity (either Fusang’s Church of the East or the Catholicism of the remaining Norse Christians)/Manichaeism, and the resurgence of the Worm Cult. It also weakens many indigenous societies east of the Wanli Mountains (probably called the Utgard Range by the Norse) and makes it easier for the Mexica Empire to conquer them. The Norse colony in Vinland remains until the early 13th century, when the northern wave of Acatl’s invasion force wipes it out and uses it as a staging ground to invade Greenland. From there, Ocuil Acatl scouts out the geography and military strength of Europe (including his Hebrides landing). After he finishes his assessment, the northern wave hits Iceland and secures its port for the middle wave to hit Ireland and Scotland, with the former used as a staging ground for the southern wave’s invasion of Mauretania. Once ports along the Atlantic coast are secured, reinforcements arrive from the Mexica ports in OTL Georgia and South Carolina. After the Mexica are kicked out of Europe, the Reich and Scandinavia pursue them to first Greenland and then Vinland. While the Reich turns back after the Mexica military presence in Vinland is destroyed, Scandinavia stays behind and resumes colonization despite the colder climate. The Vinland colony is reestablished sometime in the 15th century, but like the medieval one it’s primarily a trading site, albeit now with a heavy Scandinavia naval presence. Full civilian colonization only begins in the next century.
Aside from this potentially postponing Cahokia's decline to the Mexica invasion and leading to the emerge of other strong states, the idea of Cahokia converting and establishing a new papacy, making it a holy site of a Christian Meskwaki empire is now floating around in my mind at the moment. It might also make the Tsalagi theocratic republic work better too, through I imagine it wouldn't be as oppressive and authoritain as Jerusalem as you've already said. I imagine Catholism and the Church of the East continuing on in the Eimercas would piss Jerusalem off even more and futter motivate their unleashing of Pesah.
 
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A few other notes to add to the discussion:

Redwood trees are still called redwoods due to their red-brown bark color. A more formal name for them, in place of "sequoia" is simply "Fusang," as it can also refer to the mulberry tree where the sun rises from in addition to the legendary land. While 扶桑 (Fúsāng) is acceptable, it falls out of use as more people start using it to refer to the land and the country instead of regional or dynastic names, and so 扶木 (fúmù), another mythological name, is adopted as the official name of the tree for legal and scientific purposes. Redwoods are venerated in Fusang folk religion as symbols of longevity and wisdom, much like turtles in China, and are used as a symbol of resilience and determination by political movements. While they are the perfect material to use for ship hulls, houses, furniture, musical instruments, and later railroads, their logging is strictly regulated by the Fusang government due to their cultural significance. Borrowing from Yurok practices, the government also engages in controlled burns of ground cover in redwood forests to boost populations of other plants that can be used to gather acorns and medicinal ingredients while also reducing the chance of dangerous wildfires that could devastate wood-built Fusang towns.

After the transfer of the Song court to Jinshan, the Ohlone village of Rumsien is renamed as 榮鮮 (modern Mandarin: Róngxiān, Middle Chinese: Hjwaengsjen) which was chosen for the transliteration of the Ohlone name but also directly means "Prosperous Fresh Fish," referencing the bountiful Shanwan Bay (杉灣 shānwān, "Pine Bay" for the pine trees on the shore and one of the earliest Spanish names for Monterey Bay in OTL). Rongxian becomes a major fishing town, while the main city develops around the Zhumasi Jin estate at Caimei (采栂 Càiméi - 采 was chosen for its multiple meanings including luster, talent, and colored silk; 栂 refers to hemlock trees from East Asia and the Pacific Northwest that were imported to the region to help build its Buddhist temples and palaces).

The name Zhumasi comes from a Sinicization of "Chumash" as 舳馬屬 (Zhúmǎshǔ, "ship horse subordinates" for their maritime prowess). This is the name of the indigenous people. It is used for the name of the Jin capital (which I'm moving up from OTL San Diego to the Los Angeles area) 舳馬市 (Zhúmǎshì, "Ship Horse City"). The Romanization comes from a corruption of the Middle Chinese drjuwkmaeXdzyiX and some translation errors going from Fusang Jin Mandarin to Fusang Song Chinese to Ming Mandarin to German that I don't feel like figuring out right now. The Tongva god and culture hero Quaoar is Sinicized as Guaaoer (瓜廒兒, Guāáoér, literally "Melon Granary Boy") and syncretized with various Chinese mythological and historical figures. The original Tongva legends told of the tyrannical sky god Weywot being murdered by his own sons and bringing death and linguistic divisions into the world, after which Quaoar descended from the heavens to bestow laws and civilization upon humanity before returning to the heavens. In the Sinicized version, Weywot is variously associated with Pangu (the primordial creator of the world) and King Jie of Xia/King Zhou of Shang/Emperor Qin Shi Huang (a wicked ruler). Quaoar/Guaaor is associated with the Jade Emperor/Shangdi (a supreme sky god), King Tang of Shang/King Wu of Zhou (the one who overthrew the wicked ruler and claimed the Mandate of Heaven), any of the Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors (the deities who taught civilization to the Chinese; sometimes he is considered one of them), Yu the Great (who tamed the floods), and Xu Fu. The city of Puvunga is considered the place of Quaoar's descent from Heaven. The exact details of his worship vary depending on the place, but the most popular one, supported by the early Fusang government, interprets Weywot as Qin Shi Huang and Quaoar as Xu Fu, claiming that after being sent on a quest to find the elixir of life for the tyrannical Qin emperor, Xu Fu instead sailed across the Pacific to land in Zhumasi and become known as Quaoar.

The Sonoran Desert is used as a natural barrier by the Jin/Liao courts and the Fusang government against the Mexica, with Khitan-Diné nomads guarding the few passes through it. The general Southwest region is a place where Chinese, Mexica, and local cultures blend together, with the cult of Tlaloc and Mexica ballgames existing alongside Guaaoer and kachina worship. The Gulf of California is variously called the Ankuang Sea (after the Ankuang River) or the Zhuhong (朱紅) Sea.

Baja California is called the Jing (鯨) Peninsula/Province after the whales spotted around it.

Plains Sign Language was used as a lingua franca by many tribes across the Liao Plains. It was initially adopted by the people of Liaoning and Khitan-Diné alongside the Chinese writing system, but native tribes under Fusang stopped using it in favor of Chinese, and the Mexica attempted to stamp it out to enforce Nahuatl. The Meskwaki Empire, though, embraced the language and eventually developed a writing system from it (that I won't go into right now because it would take even more time to research and I'm already trying to hold back my mind from figuring out Sino-Tawantinsuyuan vocabulary and grammar).

Unrelated to the above stuff, but Goryeo uses a reversed and Korean-centric version of the Nissen dōsoron theory to justify its colonization of Japan. In the 19th-20th centuries, it uses newly discovered archaeological and linguistic evidence of Japonic speakers in the Korean peninsula to claim that the Japanese are just uncivilized Koreans, the Japanese god Susanoo (brother of Amaterasu) was actually the Korean god Dangun, the Japanese imperial ancestor Amenohiboko was from Silla (and thus the imperial dynasty and all of the major Japanese clans descended from it are Koreans), and so on.
Would the Almoravid, Taifa of Seville, and Norse exiles that went to Mexico and Mayapan not be able to support a metallurgy industry then for the same reason you initially thought Fusang wouldn't be able to produce bronze weapons? If so, what impact would that have on the logistics of Sunset invasion?
I had to do some digging outside of Wikipedia and my usual sources, but I think I found something I can use. This forum post seems to be reliably sourced. TLDR: There's enough resources to support a reasonable metallurgy industry. It's well known that copper and obsidian are abundant in Mesoamerica, but tin is too. The Wikipedia page on metallurgy in pre-Columbian Mesoamerica implies that the only Mesoamerican peoples to mine and smelt bronze were in western Mexico, but there were tin mines and bronze production in Mayan regions and among the Huastecs of northeastern Mesoamerica. There is also evidence of copper smelting in Cuba and Hispaniola among the Taino peoples.

So let's break this down.

Andalusian exiles among the islands of Mayapan: The iron tools and weapons they bring give become status symbols for their descendants and the Mayan nobles they allied with. The Mayans bring bronzeworking from their homeland, though tin is now rare as trade with the mainland is strictly limited by the Mexica. So they focus more on copper and incorporate Taino metallurgical practices. Copper is mainly used for arrowheads and spearpoints, and the large amount of copper or bronze needed to forge a sword makes them rare status symbols. The OTL Spanish reported that the Mesoamerican copper spears their native allies made for them were remarkably effective, so I'd say it would be a good enough replacement for iron until trade opens up with Europe and other places with lots of iron.

Norse exiles and Almoravids in the Mexica heartland: Initially similar to the Andalusian/Mayan situation—lots of copper and a bit of tin due to controlling most of the tin mines in the Mesoamerican mainland. However, bronze weapons would be rare. The OTL Purépecha, despite being in a position to mass produce bronze weapons, didn't do so, because the whole region had an even more abundant, cheap, and easy to work resource: obsidian. The Wikipedia page of obsidian use in Mesoamerica says that one drawback is it being brittle, but it still does a lot of damage because it can be made very sharp. The OTL conquistador Bernal Diaz reported that an Aztec Tepoztopilli cleanly pierced his armor and he was only saved by a layer of cotton. So while the Almoravid and Norse iron weapons would once again be prized as status symbols, the Mexica armies would instead use copper and obsidian, with a heavy emphasis on obsidian. The influence of the Norse, Almoravids, Worm Cult, and other factions makes Mexica soldiers not focus as much on capturing prisoners for sacrifice—the Mexica armies of Ocuil Acatl fought primarily to kill their enemies and rout opposing armies. The macuahuitl is thus designed for this goal in mind, instead of being designed to subdue and capture prisoners (though in OTL it was still an extremely effective weapon against the Spanish).

I think with the proper military doctrines, a slightly tweaked design, and the element of surprise, they'd be able to hold their own against Roman knights. Obsidian weapons would be particularly effective against horses, as OTL Spanish accounts of the Aztec conquest report, and can already pierce European armor. If the obsidian breaks, they can easily resharpen or replace them back at camp, and if the next shipment of obsidian hasn't arrived yet, they can still use copper weapons or scavenge dead Europeans for their iron weapons. The early stages of the Sunset Invasion would see Roman forces in Ireland and Scotland—remaining feudal levies of unarmored peasants—being caught by surprise and then brutally hacked to pieces or captured and sacrificed. Then the main armies are deployed, consisting of traditional Roman tactics of infantry supporting knights in the western European style. The Mexica's extremely sharp obsidian lances, though, demonstrate a shocking ability to pierce through Roman armor, and their macuahuitls eviscerate their unarmored horses, rendering them useless. The Norse of Iceland and Norway fare a bit worse due to different styles of armor. That's how Ocuil Acatl conquers large swathes of Europe very early on. All this deals a massive psychological blow to the Reich, which had so far only triumphed over its enemies and then stopped expanding on its own terms.

Once the shock wears off, the Reich adapts accordingly to the Mexica tactics, like converting all of its cavalry into kataphraktoi (mirroing an OTL development in the 14th century). It leads to a decline of western knights (and with them the feudal nobility that formed around them) in favor of Byzantine kataphraktoi whose armored horses can survive longer against obsidian-armed Mexica soldiers. Recognizing that the Mexica use of obsidian lances and macuahuitls gives them an advantage in melee combat, Roman military doctrine instead focuses on ranged combat, focusing more on longbow archers who can outrange Mexica archers and crossbow archers who can lay down a higher rate of fire. This softens the Mexica armies and creates openings for the kataphraktoi to charge in and decisively shatter their formation before they can react. A sustained close quarters battle is to be avoided at all costs.

The final weapon that turns the tides is gunpowder. The Mexica in North Eimerica have only experienced gunpowder through fire lances and fire arrows, as they are more economical for Northern Song-descended Fusang despite having all of the materials and knowledge needed to forge cannons and then arquebuses (that would come eventually, like around the time I decide to put CK2's Tawantinsuyu event). But the Southern Song, the Mongols, and now the Reich have made innovations in gunpowder weapons since then, and by the 14th century there are early cannons on the battlefield that decisively counter the Mexica's advantage, leading to their steady retreat from Europe. Though by now the Mexica have fully integrated iron weapons into their army and use them alongside obsidian weapons for their durability and ease of repair.
Aside from this potentially postponing Cahokia's decline to the Mexica invasion and leading to the emerge of other strong states, the idea of Cahokia converting and establishing a new papacy, making it a holy site of a Christian Meskwaki empire is now floating around in my mind at the moment. It might also make the Tsalagi theocratic republic work better too, through I imagine it wouldn't be as oppressive and authoritain as Jerusalem as you've already said. I imagine Catholism and the Church of the East continuing on in the Eimercas would piss Jerusalem off even more and futter motivate their unleashing of Pesah.
I went the other way, contemplating what happened if Xiao Ping went east instead and brought the Khitan-Diné across the Mississippi, since there would be nothing stopping her from just following the trade routes east other than a vision telling her to head through the mountains and deserts in the west. Then again, the way I set things up to use as much of the CK2-EU4 converter scenario as possible, most of the land east of the Mississippi would have centralized into Haudenosaunee-style confederations by now, which prevents Xiao Ping from just marching through. Catholicism would be limited to the territories of Vinland, while the Church of the East would exist in scattered pockets and nomads in the Liao Plains and the Great Basin in addition to urban populations in the Fusang core. Cahokia would probably have been adopted as a major religious center by the Meskwaki and other powers in the area, even if it is later eclipsed in population, political power, and economy by other cities. I don't know what to do with the Tsalagi theocracy at the moment since I want to keep elements of Cherokee tribal democracy, especially as a rival political system to the Haudenosaunee since they were rivals in OTL.

Wow, this one took me only 6 hours. And a good chunk of that time was because my computer was lagging a lot.
 
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oh god there’s still more lore rattling around in my head, help

I realized that after dropping some Fujiwara samurai into North Eimerica, I proceeded to do absolutely nothing with them. I still don’t know what to do with them, but probably something pretty funny. Maybe I’ll pull a Years of Rice and Salt and have them end up in the Haudenosaunee League.

I didn’t think about it when first writing the idea, but Prester John legends could also claim that Kaiser Wilhelm III, who was last seen gravely injured and hauled off in chains across the Atlantic by Ocuil Acatl, was still alive and had established a new Reich in the Mexica homeland, with its own Hohenzollern dynasty, Orthodox Church, and Romanitas.

There are probably independent Haida and Fusang settlements in Hawaii, founded by shipwrecked merchants.

Maybe I’ll get around the issue of nobody knowing the original name of Cahokia by having it be settled by Nahua people after being sacked during the Mexica expansion. So it gets a Nahuatl name and is used as a major base from which to plan further conquests east of the Mississippi. Then Xiao Peng sacks it and gives it a Chinese name but is forced to withdraw from the area because of Mexica reinforcements and the terrain east of the Mississippi not favoring her Khitan-Diné horde. Eventually it gets a Meskwaki name. But I don’t quite know what to call it in between. Maybe “P'ahe zide” (red hill) or a Chinese version of it since that’s the only native name I could find for the place.

This leads into an idea that just popped into my head but I’m too tired to do research late at night for the third day in a row: what if I made the Cherokee Buddhist?
栂 refers to hemlock trees from East Asia and the Pacific Northwest that were imported to the region to help build its Buddhist temples and palaces
I also forgot that it can also refer to meihua (梅花), or the plum blossom. Perhaps the temples there planted a grove of them.

How about we make the Sunset Invasion even more deadly than it was in the game by adding an Iberian and French front? Since I’ve gone with the idea of the Mexica destroying Vinland and using it to island hop across the Atlantic to Iceland, I’ve come up with a new idea for the opening stages of the invasion. Iceland falls first, but due to its remoteness people don’t notice until Ocuil Acatl is already visiting port cities and the Hebrides. I think I’ll have him spend about a year in Europe visiting all of the major cities and meeting all of the major leaders so he can gather information for his invasion.

The first wave hits Scandinavia, Ireland, and Scotland at roughly the same time. Once Ireland is secure, Ocuil uses that as his base of operations and moves most of his reinforcements waiting in Vinland and Iceland there. From there, he strikes at Brittany, Asturias, Basque Country, Galicia, and Portugal. Portugal in turn is used as a staging ground to invade Mauretania and force open the Straits of Gibraltar. Fortunately for the Reich, the French and Iberian fronts are generally made up of slave and subject armies drawn from the conquered peoples of North Eimerica (including Fusang Christians from the Liao Plains), intended to waste Roman resources and buy time for Ocuil to consolidate his gains in Ireland, Scotland, and Mauretania. The Iberian invasion force, though, is strong enough to lay waste to Portugal, Andalusia, and western Leon and Castile.

The Mexica-controlled territories in the Reich are collectively referred to as the Pale.
 
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I realized that after dropping some Fujiwara samurai into North Eimerica, I proceeded to do absolutely nothing with them. I still don’t know what to do with them, but probably something pretty funny. Maybe I’ll pull a Years of Rice and Salt and have them end up in the Haudenosaunee League.
The Ikkis would probably mesh well with the Haudenosaunee style confederations east of the Liao plains.
This is the name of the indigenous people. It is used for the name of the Jin capital (which I'm moving up from OTL San Diego to the Los Angeles area)
Since Zhumasi is now in LA, I wonder what the indigenous town of Kosa'aay would be Sinicized/Khitanized into?

Also since OTL LA became a big city due to oil and aqueduct projects, I wonder how the extraction of oil would play into Chinese rule over Fusang?
There are probably independent Haida and Fusang settlements in Hawaii, founded by shipwrecked merchants.
Since there seems to evidence of Polynesian contact with the Americas, particularly in the UPM area ironically enough, I wonder how that would go here? Besides Sinicizations of areas of Hawaii and Mittagsland on top of Roman colonialization, would there be Polynesian influnce in the other direction in places like the UPM?
How about we make the Sunset Invasion even more deadly than it was in the game by adding an Iberian and French front? Since I’ve gone with the idea of the Mexica destroying Vinland and using it to island hop across the Atlantic to Iceland, I’ve come up with a new idea for the opening stages of the invasion. Iceland falls first, but due to its remoteness people don’t notice until Ocuil Acatl is already visiting port cities and the Hebrides. I think I’ll have him spend about a year in Europe visiting all of the major cities and meeting all of the major leaders so he can gather information for his invasion.

The first wave hits Scandinavia, Ireland, and Scotland at roughly the same time. Once Ireland is secure, Ocuil uses that as his base of operations and moves most of his reinforcements waiting in Vinland and Iceland there. From there, he strikes at Brittany, Asturias, Basque Country, Galicia, and Portugal. Portugal in turn is used as a staging ground to invade Mauretania and force open the Straits of Gibraltar. Fortunately for the Reich, the French and Iberian fronts are generally made up of slave and subject armies drawn from the conquered peoples of North Eimerica (including Fusang Christians from the Liao Plains), intended to waste Roman resources and buy time for Ocuil to consolidate his gains in Ireland, Scotland, and Mauretania. The Iberian invasion force, though, is strong enough to lay waste to Portugal, Andalusia, and western Leon and Castile.
Didn't we already cover this in the Almoravid led southern wave, minus the landings in Brittany of course?
 
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The Ikkis would probably mesh well with the Haudenosaunee style confederations east of the Liao plains.
The ikkis were primarily a Great Basin/Plains thing, with Liaoning and the great horde empire of Xiao Ping historically considered some of the most successful examples. So the Haudenosaunee wouldn't be an ikki, since they already had their own confederation system. On the other hand, I did some research on Tlingit society and they already had many customs and beliefs (like reincarnation) that could incorporate Buddhism well, so if I say the Fujiwara brought a large enough group of retainers, warriors, and family members, they could establish their own ikki in the Pacific Northwest incorporating much Tlingit culture. It would be much less patrilineal than Japanese culture, as Tlingit matrilineal society leads to Fujiwara women being able to wield their own power alongside men. Their participation in traditional Tlingit/Haida trade routes, as well as resource wars, allows them to retain knowledge of advanced metallurgy, though their primary weapons become knives since swords need more metal and thus become status symbols. It also spreads Buddhism north into the Pacific Northwest, I suppose as a separate sect from the one the Haida and Fusang promote.

To build on the random idea of Buddhist Cherokee, it's hard for me to find traditional Cherokee religious customs, but what few I found could mesh well with Pure Land Buddhism, albeit one that's probably really divergent from the Fusang sects. This led me down another rabbit hole of trying to figure out what kind of migration patterns and trade routes would allow for this, which forced me to hash out how everything on the Plains and the Mississippi turned out with the Mexica messing everybody up. So let's use the EU4 1444 scenario as a reference for how we want the map to end up:

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I'll go from west to east and go over changes to each tag, while adding in a couple new ones:

The Fusang sphere:

Jin: I'll just call it "Fusang." Would have many names in historiography like "Eastern Song," "Fusang Song," etc. These borders mostly line up with the reworked lore from the last couple days. The northern regions are under Fujiwara control as they integrate into the Tlingit clan-based society. Many of the natives from here serve as shock troops for Fusang.

"Navajo": Where Xiao Peng eventually ended up after her rampage through the Liao Plains.

The Blackfoot/Niitsitapi: Originally controlling territory further south but were displaced to their northern territories by Puebloan migration. Sinicized and adopted a sedentary lifestyle. I'll come up with a name some other time because it takes me a while to find a good etymology.

The Kiowa: Actually pretty close to where they said they originated from in OTL. After the introduction of horses from Fusang, they become nomads following bison migrations but remained under pressure to join either Liaoning or the Niisitapi confederation.

The Shoshone (and whatever tag is next to them, the pic resolution is too low): They remain primarily based in the Great Basin and Wanli Mountains. Fusang uses them as guards of the mountain passes towards Huayang and the Conglong Valley.

Puebloans/Liaoning: initially based in the north (near the Shoshone/Kiowa territories) but received territories further south that were seized from the Mexica.

The Assiniboine/Nakota: Originally part of Očhéthi Šakówiŋ during the Mexica expansion, but a civil war after the Mexica retreat led to them splitting off into a separate confederation. While Očhéthi Šakówiŋ fell into the Meskwaki sphere, the Assiniboine aligned with Liaoning and fell into the Fusang cultural sphere. In later eras, Meskwaki expansion leads many of them to expand north, where they meet up with Cree migrating west to establish new trade routes for Kanata.

Pawnee: A minor group that was heavily evangelized to and Sinicized by Liaoning.

Osage (should call them the Hoga): They claim the legacy of Cahokia due to having lived there for a time and still controlling much of the territory. The city in 1444 is disputed between them and the Illiniwek. They are the easternmost of the Sinicized states in Fusang's cultural sphere. Hoga parts of Cahokia are host to Buddhist temples, making it a center of Buddhism through which it spreads along the major riverways and trade routes to the rest of eastern North Eimerica. Buddhism spread beyond the Fusang sphere, though new adherents beyond the Hoga generally just integrated it into their local cultures.

The Meskwaki/Kanatan sphere:

Meskwaki: Gained much political and cultural prestige for negotiating a temporary truce and alliance between all of the native tribes and confederations in the area following the Mexica sack of Cahokia. Following the Meskwaki model, the Meskwaki suggested expanding the Council of Three Fires into a much larger confederacy that could fight back against the Mexica. Setting the capital at the old Council of Three Fires meeting place at Michilimackinac, the Michilimackinac Confederacy (consisting of everybody in this block) defeated the Mexica and put an end to their northern campaigns. The Confederacy continued for several years until it broke down as its members turned on each other. The Meskwaki remained ascendant due to seizing and capturing Michillimackinac from the Council of Three Fires, causing its decline.

The Sioux/Lakota and Dakota: joined forces in a tribal confederation called Očhéthi Šakówiŋ (independent of any Haudenosaunee political developments) in response to the Mexica invasion reaching their homeland.

The Cheyenne/Tsitsistas: An ally of the Lakota and Dakota but never fully part of their confederation, so they set up their own, Tsistano.

Miami/Myaamiaki: An early Meskwaki ally. I got nothing else for them. Probably were absorbed into the Meskwaki people eventually.

Illiniwek/Inoka: They claim the legacy of Cahokia via the Kahokiaki tribe that currently lives there. Their alliance with the Meskwaki eventually broke down after the Mexica were defeated, and eventually they antagonized all of their neighbors.

Ojibwe: Formed a confederation called Ojibwewaki, which was allied with the Odawa and Potawatomi in the Council of Three Fires. Enemies of the Meskwaki and Očhéthi Šakówiŋ. Aligned with Vinland/Kanata as soon as they could.

Huron/Wendat: A rival confederation to the Haudenosaunee and Meskwaki ally against Vinland/Kanata and the Council of Three Fires.

Ottawa/Odawa: Allied with the Ojibwe in the Council of Three Fires. Aligned with Vinland/Kanata as well.

Shawnee: Buddhism spreads through here to the Cherokee/Tsalagi. Rivals with the Haudenosaunee over trade and resources. A decentralized confederation focusing on trade with its neighbors, which is how Fusang and Sinicized traders arrive in their lands.

The Mexica/Mayan sphere:

Choctaw/Chahta: Their legends claim that their ancestors came from the Yucatan, and their religious rituals placed the sun at the center of their cosmology, leading the Mexica to claim them as an offshoot of the Nahua and other Mesoamerican peoples. The Chahta were given the option to peacefully submit to the Mexica Empire, which they accepted in exchange for retaining significant autonomy as a vassal state. Having heard of their legends and religious practices, Mayans settled among the Chahta, having heard their legends and religious practices, and passed on many elements of their own culture and religion.

Creek/Muscogee: Like the Chahta they also had Mayan migrants settle among them, though in much larger numbers.

The Haudenosaunee/Tsalagi spheres:

Haudenosaunee: Lenapehoking joined as the newest member of their confederation in response to many of their lands being conquered by the rival Tekanstoge confederation. The Haudenosaunee confederation model spread through the Council of Three Fires to the Meskwaki and then to the rest of the peoples of the Mississippi and the Woodlands.

Cherokee/Tsalagi: Adopted Buddhism filtering in through the Shawnee traders in opposition to Haudenosaunee and Tekanastoge expansion and remnant Mexica forces. The Powhatan villages joined their confederation for protection against the Tekanastoge.

Powhatan: Tsenacommacah submitted to the ascendant Tsalagi and eventually came to become the more prosperous regions under Tsalagi rule, resulting in Tsalagi migration onto the coast and the Tsalagi adopting many Powhatan customs.

Susquehannock (the Tekanastoge): A rival confederation to the Haudenosaunee supported by the Meskwaki, emerging out of territories conquered from the Mexica by the Haudenosaunee. The Tsalagi partition their territories with the Haudenosaunee.
Since Zhumasi is now in LA, I wonder what the indigenous town of Kosa'aay would be Sinicized/Khitanized into?
I'm going to keep it simple and say Ganxi (乾溪 - Gānxī), or "dry stream" borrowing from both the meaning of the indigenous name and the local geography. Perhaps the Khitan-Diné misinterpreted "drying out place" as "dry place."
Also since OTL LA became a big city due to oil and aqueduct projects, I wonder how the extraction of oil would play into Chinese rule over Fusang?
The Asian Chinese would engage in resource extraction without the cultural and political restrictions of Fusang, like cutting down redwoods to fuel its urbanization and industrialization, extracting coal and ores in native lands without consulting them, and sweeping aside the Tongva, Khitan-Diné, and others to get the oil underneath their homes and religious sites.
Since there seems to evidence of Polynesian contact with the Americas, particularly in the UPM area ironically enough, I wonder how that would go here? Besides Sinicizations of areas of Hawaii and Mittagsland on top of Roman colonialization, would there be Polynesian influnce in the other direction in places like the UPM?
I looked into it, but I determined that there wasn't enough evidence to justify Polynesians in the Eimericas. Most of the genetic evidence that you linked suggests that Polynesians just brought a few indigenous peoples back with them to their islands, or at least children with their genes. There is still no concrete archaeological evidence on either side. However, I could have Easter Island society not collapse as badly as it did, then have some Polynesians from there reach Tawantinsuyu. Though this wouldn't result in much Polynesian settlement of South Eimerica but rather tell Tawantinsuyu there are inhabited islands and prosperous trade networks in the Pacific. Since Tawantinsuyu already colonized numerous Polynesian islands in EU4, there are OTL legends of Inca emperors commissioning voyages into the Pacific, and Fusang and its allies would shift away from the Tawantinsuyu trade in favor of the trans-Pacific trade with Asia, it wouldn't be out of the question for Tawantinsuyu to try setting up its own trade network.
Didn't we already cover this in the Almoravid led southern wave, minus the landings in Brittany of course?
Yes, but I updated the routes. Instead of directly crossing the Atlantic, the first waves attack from Iceland and then hop down along the Atlantic coast until Mauretania. After that, reinforcements can take the direct routes instead of island hopping via Vinland and Iceland.
 
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Okay, that’s enough about North Eimerica for now. I’m still not sold on Cherokee Buddhists, but I’ll deal with that some other time. This evening I’ve been reviewing Big Korea and the Christian Shiba. My findings:

A Sengoku era daimyo needed the support of many other daimyo to become shogun, and even then the emperor had to grant the title. There is no way that happens with a Christian daimyo unless there are a lot of other Christian daimyo or he kills them all. Best I can do is have the Shiba claim the title and are called that by foreigners, while the emperor refuses to officially give them it, though all of the other daimyo are either dead, have bent the knee, or joined Goryeo so there really isn’t much difference either way. I guess there would be enough Christian daimyo to back up the Shiba since I did say a lot of Christians settled in the north and east as opposed to OTL, where they and their daimyo were concentrated in Kyushu.

Turns out there were a lot of Japanese settlers in northern Honshu and even Hokkaido by the 11th-13th centuries. Doesn’t mess with the route the Fusang settlers take, but it’s something to keep in mind when going over the Mongols and Jurchens and other invaders in that place.

Speaking of which, my Big Korea scenario works fine when talking about Manchurian expansion, but it might need a little adjustment so that it has a reason to get further than the historical Balhae and Goguryeo territories, to say nothing of Japan itself. The initial reason and circumstances work—with the Yuan collapsing but not fully and the Ming still stuck in central China fighting the Yuan and Timurids, Goryeo has an opportunity to march north. But to get farther, I’ll have gold be discovered in the Primorksky Krai region to encourage Koreans to settle further north, backed by the army of Goryeo.

But in turn that forces me to figure out what the hell is up with the Jurchens of Later Jin and then what the hell is up with the Yuan. I went with Goryeo successfully fighting off the Mongols for the entire existence of the Yuan, which means the invasions of Japan can’t happen like they did in OTL. Sure, the fleets could depart from China and head directly for Japan, as I think some of them did in OTL, but that’s dangerous and takes much longer. I guess I could keep some invasions of Kyushu, but they’d be much weaker. The real threat comes from the Mongol invasion of Sakhalin. Since Korea is not a viable place to gather troops and launch an invasion fleet from, the Yuan instead draw up plans to invade Japan through Sakhalin and Hokkaido, using the Kyushu landings to both draw away troops and establish a base from which to invade Korea from the south. This spurs Goryeo to invade Kyushu as well to destroy the Mongol bases, with the help of some allied clans, and they stay there after the Mongols are defeated to ensure that no further attempts are made. The Kamakura shogunate is unable to effectively respond to this as the Mongols are already approaching the Kanto region from the north. Eventually they are forced to submit. The Hojo clan (which were the real rulers operating through their puppet shogun) would be purged by both the Mongols and anti-Hojo clans as they had grown very unpopular at this time in OTL, and the Mongols install a new clan as puppetmasters for the shogun. The clans of Kyushu and Shikoku refuse to submit and instead ask Goryeo for protection against the Mongols. Kyushu is placed under direct Korean rule, while Shikoku and western Honshu are controlled by Goryeo-aligned clans fighting to “liberate the captured shogun” and install a pro-Goryeo clan as the new puppetmaster. The Mongols attempt to get around this problem by using the imperial court (held hostage in Kyoto), but an imperial prince escapes to the pro-Goryeo regions and is declared the rightful emperor, splitting the imperial court in half (which happened in OTL but not so soon).

Maybe I’ll have the Yuan attempt an invasion of Ryukyu that is only defeated after massive casualties and a typhoon, warning the kingdoms of Okinawa that they need to invest more in self-defense. I suppose a lot of Japanese try to follow the route of the Fusang settlers. Most die, and during this era there are more shipwrecks along the Pacific Northwest coast from which the people of Fusang can scavenge iron. The few survivors are integrated into Fusang society quickly. Fears of the Mongols following them to Fusang lead to a military buildup and greater investment in the navy.

Fast forward a few decades to the collapse of the Yuan Dynasty. The Jurchens revolt in 1343 and by 1348 declare independence as the Later Jin. While they are still organizing, Goryeo strikes, knowing that the Yuan are busy elsewhere especially after China rises in rebellion. By the time the Ming Dynasty is proclaimed, Goryeo has already seized much of Manchuria. The discovery of gold in the outer regions leads to a gold rush and Korean settlement beyond the traditional territories, further cutting into the Jurchen homeland. Many Jurchens either migrate north into Siberia or east into Sakhalin and Hokkaido, then northern Japan.

The Kamakura shogunate spies an opportunity and overthrows its Mongol masters, only for the ruling clans to also be overthrown by the northern emperor for their ties to the Mongols (like how OTL Goryeo was overthrown by Joseon out of the perception that they were too closely tied to the Yuan). A new clan then forces the emperor back into the role of puppet and establishes a new shogunate (I’ll just say Ashikaga now as a placeholder so you understand what I’m getting at), using Japanized Jurchen clans as reinforcements. The next few decades are an on and off period of war and stalemate between Goryeo in southern Japan and the Ashikaga in northern Japan. It ends when the two imperial courts negotiate an agreement to merge back into one with the southern court taking precedent, legitimizing Goryeo and destroying Ashikaga legitimacy. The shogunate then disintegrates and the Sengoku era begins.

Goryeo, like the OTL British in India, slowly plays off the clans against each other and secures the allegiance of smaller clans hoping for Korean military support against their rivals, all while gradually shifting power to its own military administrators (the Goryeo military regime only fell in OTL due to the Yuan breaking their power) and encouraging Korean migration. Like the Mongols, Goryeo does this from both the south and the north, gradually making its way down from Sakhalin and Hokkaido and again employing the Jurchens and Ainu as local administrators and puppet rulers. The emperor of Japan has already acquiesced to Goryeo’s expansion, having bestowed the title of shogun upon the leader of the Goryeo military regime. This is pretty ironic as it makes him a shogun twice over—the Japanese title and Korean title are both rendered as (大)將軍.

The emergence of the Christian Shiba clan, which converted to get Roman military aid and political backing (on top of many Japanese turning to Roman Orthodox Christianity in these chaotic times), becomes Goryeo’s biggest obstacle to fully conquering Japan. For a time, the Shiba had the advantage in highly motivated troops, a population that supported them very much (as opposed to the apathy of Japanese under Korean rule), and Roman weapons and advisors coming in through the port of Yokohama. But by now the trans-Pacific trade routes with Fusang have started up, and Goryeo is soon flush with even more gold and silver from North Eimerica, which allows it to fund a much larger army. The Ming also step in and send troops to back Goryeo up, fearing a Roman-aligned Christian Japan would lead to the same thing happening on the Asian mainland. Ultimately the Shiba are crushed and Goryeo rules over all of Japan with its military ruler (장군 janggun) as shogun. Tsuruhime would have appeared in this age as a rare warrior and leader who refused to accept either Goryeo or the Shiba, becoming a symbol of honor and integrity before her exile to Ryukyu and then Penglai.

All this war and the influx of both Manchurian and Fusang gold and silver caused rampant inflation and economic decline, and the complete collapse of Goryeo’s colonial empire was only averted by the Ming offering to help rule over Japan. Discredited by the economic crisis, the Goryeo military regime falls in Korea but continues in Japan as the janggun remains the shogun as appointed by the emperor of Japan while still being loyal to the emperor of Goryeo. Eventually, all this Ming economic and military assistance renders Goryeo effectively a puppet as its economy is closely tied with the Ming’s. Although it retains Japan and Manchuria, Goryeo is forced to sell off all of its overseas settlements and trade outposts in Siberia and the Pacific Northwest to either the Ming or Fusang. Its economy only starts recovering in the early 19th century with industrialization.
 
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still kinda insane that the Triple Alliance folded so quickly after the Sunrise Invasion, all that buildup only to be screwed over by AI shenanigans, still, had things been different, having the Mexica as a final boss for the EU4 portion would have been interesting. In-universe explination would probably be along the lines of corruption in all the branches of the government and the Mexicas getting compliant and arrogant enough to believe the Romans aren't gonna invade because they're to focused helping Russia against yet another Commonwealth War.
 
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From there Fusang island gradually sets up trade outposts and settlements along the coast
i assume Fusang Island is TTL's Vancouver Island. For a possible name you could go with Fanghu which is "one of the five Bohai Sea Shenshan mountain-islands in Taoist mythology" according to Wikipedia and it was the supposed place were Emperor Qin Shihuang tried to find immortality?

Next, we were discussing Fusang toponyms in the PM thread, so I'll continue that discussion here.
I really like the etymology's of the different places really great work.

Since these Liao people were the first people of the plains to be encountered by Fusang, they lent their name to the entire plains, which became the Liao Plains (遼原, Liáoyuán). Liaoning also referred to itself as Khitai.
Is the Liao Plains were TTL's Great Plains?

While the Mexica Empire retains a significant presence on the Liao Plains (I want to keep using most of the 1444 map), its military presence is vastly crippled, forcing a withdrawal of troops from the European conquests.
That's fair. Just because a historical society is show to have controlled an area on a map that does not mean that they controlled all of it. For example the various tribal people of the steps and some of the early colonization efforts of OTL, etc, etc in were at best they might have at best controlled the cites but possibly not much else and even in more modern times in were you have countries like Somalia and Somaliland and the PRC and Republic of China/Taiwan for example.

A Journey to the West equivalent is written focusing on the first Buddhist monk from Fusang who guided the settlers out of slavery and to their new home and then began teaching the ways of the Buddha to his people. Sun Wukong (as a coyote or raven) heavily features in versions of the story after establishing contact with the Ming.
Makes me wonder how the upcoming game Ghost of Yōtei and how according to this Kings and Generals video "Ghost of Tsushima Sequel Story: What to expect from Ghost of Yotei?" it might be about the Ainu and their interactions with the Matsumae Clan and according to Wikipedia the women in the game is a Onna-musha?

Ps. I'm not asking about Tsushima because I feel like it could stay the same during TTL's Mongol Invasion of Japan.

Yu the Great’s role as a tamer of flooding rivers was used as a legitimizing political narrative by Fusang and other Sinicized states, who tied flood control and effective irrigation to holding the Mandate of Heaven. The flooding caused by the landslide that created the Bridge of the Gods in the 1450s led to a major rebellion in nearby Huayang and the Conglong Valley, and a massive nationwide flood in the 1860s, in which the entire Chaoyang Valley briefly became an inland sea among other things, economically crippled Fusang, completely discredited its dynasty, and led to a surge in Fuxingyundong membership that brought about Chinese reunification by the end of the decade.
It's interesting how historical disasters like floods lead to an increase in Fuxingyundong membership making unification possible.

The Klamath people’s mythology for the eruption of Mount Mazama
Is Mount Mazama TTL's Mount Saint Helens?

It is used for the name of the Jin capital (which I'm moving up from OTL San Diego to the Los Angeles area) 舳馬市 (Zhúmǎshì, "Ship Horse City").
I thought the Jin capitol was Jinshan since I know that the Song capitol is Hongzhou, the Jin capitol and latter the capitol for all of Fusang will be Jinshan and the capitol for the south court was Zhumasi so why would Zhumasi be the Jin capitol?

I don't know what to do with the Tsalagi theocracy at the moment since I want to keep elements of Cherokee tribal democracy, especially as a rival political system to the Haudenosaunee since they were rivals in OTL.
For this you could say that after their defeat by the Meskwaki but before they are elevated to being on par with them in TTL's Austro-Hungarian Compromise of 1867 while they were still under direct Meskwaki rule like Hungary was from 1526–1867 the Tsalagi could have gone through a type of conservative revival which carries over into some of the stuff we talked about in my Tianxia update for North Eimerica?

How about we make the Sunset Invasion even more deadly than it was in the game by adding an Iberian and French front?
I thought that one of the reasons that the Reich was so desperate to prevent the Mexica from wining in Great Britain was Kent was connected to France and the fear of them gaining a foothold in Europe in the potential peace deal. If you take that away then for some reason I feel like you take away some of the desperation I guess not wanting to be chained to a sacrificial alter works too. But that could just be me nitpicking and trying to defend an gameplay feature that wouldn't necessarily work in real life?

Since I’ve gone with the idea of the Mexica destroying Vinland and using it to island hop across the Atlantic to Iceland, I’ve come up with a new idea for the opening stages of the invasion.
Wasn't the original idea of the Mexica rising to power was through Old Vinland being destroyed and Leif Erikson and his descendants finding their way to Tenochtitlan and integrating themselves with the royal family leading to the Mexicas invasion of Europe. So how would this work if the Mexica are already powerful? That being said it would allow you to have the Mexica do most of the countering themselves and again dispelling the myth that before the Europeans the Native Americans lived in peace and harmony and things were sunshine and rainbows that most people today believe.
 
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A Sengoku era daimyo needed the support of many other daimyo to become shogun, and even then the emperor had to grant the title. There is no way that happens with a Christian daimyo unless there are a lot of other Christian daimyo or he kills them all. Best I can do is have the Shiba claim the title and are called that by foreigners, while the emperor refuses to officially give them it, though all of the other daimyo are either dead, have bent the knee, or joined Goryeo so there really isn’t much difference either way. I guess there would be enough Christian daimyo to back up the Shiba since I did say a lot of Christians settled in the north and east as opposed to OTL, where they and their daimyo were concentrated in Kyushu.
With the Ashikaga/Shiba ruling in northern Japan and the Koreans and the anti-Christian Emperor in Kyoto in the south could lay the ground work for the divided Japan we see in the 2000's?

Maybe I’ll have the Yuan attempt an invasion of Ryukyu that is only defeated after massive casualties and a typhoon, warning the kingdoms of Okinawa that they need to invest more in self-defense. I suppose a lot of Japanese try to follow the route of the Fusang settlers. Most die, and during this era there are more shipwrecks along the Pacific Northwest coast from which the people of Fusang can scavenge iron. The few survivors are integrated into Fusang society quickly. Fears of the Mongols following them to Fusang lead to a military buildup and greater investment in the navy.
Now that you brought up how the Mongol Invasion of Japan will be different I could see Ghost of Tsushima taking place in Ryukyu instead?

Fast forward a few decades to the collapse of the Yuan Dynasty. The Jurchens revolt in 1343 and by 1348 declare independence as the Later Jin. While they are still organizing, Goryeo strikes, knowing that the Yuan are busy elsewhere especially after China rises in rebellion. By the time the Ming Dynasty is proclaimed, Goryeo has already seized much of Manchuria. The discovery of gold in the outer regions leads to a gold rush and Korean settlement beyond the traditional territories, further cutting into the Jurchen homeland. Many Jurchens either migrate north into Siberia or east into Sakhalin and Hokkaido, then northern Japan.
So in this rework the Late Jin do not seem to be as important as this screenshot seems to imply?

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All this war and the influx of both Manchurian and Fusang gold and silver caused rampant inflation and economic decline, and the complete collapse of Goryeo’s colonial empire was only averted by the Ming offering to help rule over Japan. Discredited by the economic crisis, the Goryeo military regime falls in Korea but continues in Japan as the janggun remains the shogun as appointed by the emperor of Japan while still being loyal to the emperor of Goryeo. Eventually, all this Ming economic and military assistance renders Goryeo effectively a puppet as its economy is closely tied with the Ming’s. Although it retains Japan and Manchuria, Goryeo is forced to sell off all of its overseas settlements and trade outposts in Siberia and the Pacific Northwest to either the Ming or Fusang. Its economy only starts recovering in the early 19th century with industrialization.
With the Goryeo falling in Korea and only surviving in Japan and Manchuria who would take power in Korea itself. Would it be the Joseon of OTL or someone else?

still kinda insane that the Triple Alliance folded so quickly after the Sunrise Invasion, all that buildup only to be screwed over by AI shenanigans, still, had things been different, having the Mexica as a final boss for the EU4 portion would have been interesting. In-universe explination would probably be along the lines of corruption in all the branches of the government and the Mexicas getting compliant and arrogant enough to believe the Romans aren't gonna invade because they're to focused helping Russia against yet another Commonwealth War.
This does have historical president in that although some empires in history like the Egyptian's, Roman's, Chinese and British have a slow collapse over many years you also have empires that collapse vary quickly like the Mongols and Ottoman's who collapse a lot quicker. Which I think Zen did say that he modeled the Mexica after OTL's Ottoman's anyway so their is that?
 
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Makes me wonder how the upcoming game Ghost of Yōtei and how according to this Kings and Generals video "Ghost of Tsushima Sequel Story: What to expect from Ghost of Yotei?" it might be about the Ainu and their interactions with the Matsumae Clan and according to Wikipedia the women in the game is a Onna-musha?

Ps. I'm not asking about Tsushima because I feel like it could stay the same during TTL's Mongol Invasion of Japan.
I think it might be a bit different with the Mongols invading from the North. On this note, I remember a r/badhistory post on the game saying that Bushido is largely a product of the Edo period and Meiji restoration, and checking Wikipedia tells me it was formalized in that era, so I wonder how it would develop here? Same question applies to the Anninaverse, but that’s a topic better saved for the PM.
 
still kinda insane that the Triple Alliance folded so quickly after the Sunrise Invasion, all that buildup only to be screwed over by AI shenanigans, still, had things been different, having the Mexica as a final boss for the EU4 portion would have been interesting. In-universe explination would probably be along the lines of corruption in all the branches of the government and the Mexicas getting compliant and arrogant enough to believe the Romans aren't gonna invade because they're to focused helping Russia against yet another Commonwealth War.
I could also draw a parallel with the Ottomans, Kamakura shogunate,Tawantinsuyu, and other "economy oriented around conquest" empires that faltered once they couldn't keep conquering. Then comes the Sunrise Invasion which utterly devastates the Mexica homeland. The Roman forces would be like the classical Republic against Carthage due to centuries of cultural trauma and historical animosity, so they'd do their best to permanently cripple the Mexica and ensure they could never again cross the Atlantic. So there's wholesale massacring, salting of the earth, looting of treasuries, and everything. Even Tenochtitlan is brutally sacked—I drew parallels to both the OTL conquest of the Aztecs and the fall of Constantinople in terms of the scale and cultural shock. The Reich doesn't demand too much in the peace treaty, but the Mexica Empire still tears itself apart in the following years. The subject peoples rebel, rival generals and nobles blame each other for the losses and attempt to take over, and the devastation of agricultural centers and economic infrastructure causes famine, plague, and economic chaos.

I suppose there's also an element of arrogance in the opening stages of the war, where the Mexica generals, flush over their recent victories against Fusang and Tawantinsuyu, don't think that the Reich has the troops or willpower to invade, and even if it did, they wouldn't get far through the harsh tropical climate of South Eimerica (to say nothing of the Darien Gap, which is still the most untraversable location in the world today). Due to these recent wars and that understanding of South Eimerican geography, most of the empire's best troops are concentrated on the northern border and take months to be redeployed.
i assume Fusang Island is TTL's Vancouver Island. For a possible name you could go with Fanghu which is "one of the five Bohai Sea Shenshan mountain-islands in Taoist mythology" according to Wikipedia and it was the supposed place were Emperor Qin Shihuang tried to find immortality?
That was a typo. I just referred to Fusang in general, with its imperial core in the Puget Sound/Vancouver Island region.

The Channel Islands of Southern California could be named after the Eight Immortals, since there are eight islands. So that would be the Baxian Islands or 八仙島 (Bāxiāndǎo). Each island is named after one of the immortals.

The Guixu Islands (歸墟 - Farallons) off the coast of Jinshan remain uninhabited. The settlers inherit the natives' belief that those islands are the land of the dead, but they are given the names of the five mythical mountain-islands of the Bohai Sea—Penglai, Fangzhang, Yingzhou, Daiyu, Yuanjiao. There are actually seven islands so some of them are grouped together.
I really like the etymology's of the different places really great work.
For the Pacific Northwest names it was quite the pain to trawl through Wiktionary trying to find a Sinicization that still worked in Middle Chinese.
Is the Liao Plains were TTL's Great Plains?
Yes.
That's fair. Just because a historical society is show to have controlled an area on a map that does not mean that they controlled all of it. For example the various tribal people of the steps and some of the early colonization efforts of OTL, etc, etc in were at best they might have at best controlled the cites but possibly not much else and even in more modern times in were you have countries like Somalia and Somaliland and the PRC and Republic of China/Taiwan for example.
Especially when it comes to the Great Plains, which would be full of nomads.
Makes me wonder how the upcoming game Ghost of Yōtei and how according to this Kings and Generals video "Ghost of Tsushima Sequel Story: What to expect from Ghost of Yotei?" it might be about the Ainu and their interactions with the Matsumae Clan and according to Wikipedia the women in the game is a Onna-musha?
I haven't played the games, so I wouldn't know.
Ps. I'm not asking about Tsushima because I feel like it could stay the same during TTL's Mongol Invasion of Japan.
I suppose it could.
It's interesting how historical disasters like floods lead to an increase in Fuxingyundong membership making unification possible.
Irrigation would be inredibly important to Fusang, since most of its territory consists of mountains or plains and the fertile farmlands of the Willamette and Central Valleys aren't as big and open as the North China Plain. Due to their geography, these valleys can suffer really badly during floods.
Is Mount Mazama TTL's Mount Saint Helens?
It's Crater Lake in Oregon before it erupted in distant prehistory. Local myths of gods fighting are frequently seen as a folk memory of the eruption.
I thought the Jin capitol was Jinshan since I know that the Song capitol is Hongzhou, the Jin capitol and latter the capitol for all of Fusang will be Jinshan and the capitol for the south court was Zhumasi so why would Zhumasi be the Jin capitol?
Jinshan was founded first as a trade outpost and military base by Fusang settlers coming south, then granted as a fief to one of the Jin princes fleeing the Mongols in the mid-13th century. This prince gave it the name Jinshan. His brother established his own independent state further south in Zhumasi.
For this you could say that after their defeat by the Meskwaki but before they are elevated to being on par with them in TTL's Austro-Hungarian Compromise of 1867 while they were still under direct Meskwaki rule like Hungary was from 1526–1867 the Tsalagi could have gone through a type of conservative revival which carries over into some of the stuff we talked about in my Tianxia update for North Eimerica?
I suppose so. I'll have to dig deeper and find more elements of the traditional Cherokee religion, though. I only went with Buddhism because I couldn'f find anything and decided to just slap Buddhism on top of it, but I could just have easily have gone with the Church of the East or even Manichaeism since I spotted dualistic concepts in their cosmology. I need to think about it.
I thought that one of the reasons that the Reich was so desperate to prevent the Mexica from wining in Great Britain was Kent was connected to France and the fear of them gaining a foothold in Europe in the potential peace deal. If you take that away then for some reason I feel like you take away some of the desperation I guess not wanting to be chained to a sacrificial alter works too. But that could just be me nitpicking and trying to defend an gameplay feature that wouldn't necessarily work in real life?
It's more economic and political now. The Mexica and Mongols are attacking the Reich from both sides at the same time and threatening many of its agricultural centers, causing an economic crisis, while the very fact that they got this far calls the legitimacy of the Kaisers into question. Not to mention that Saint Wilhelmina is no longer around to keep the empire united through charisma and sheer violence, Wilhelm I didn't do much, Wilhelm II was considered incompetent, and Wilhelm III was captured and carried off by the Mexica. The Mexica invasion of France failed because it was a naval invasion from Ireland, but if they controlled England they could easily cross the Straits of Dover and be within striking distance of the trade ports in the Low Countries. So the Reich had to hold England at all costs. It also needed a significant military victory to raise morale and prevent the nobility from seeing the Kaiser as weak and incompetent.
Wasn't the original idea of the Mexica rising to power was through Old Vinland being destroyed and Leif Erikson and his descendants finding their way to Tenochtitlan and integrating themselves with the royal family leading to the Mexicas invasion of Europe. So how would this work if the Mexica are already powerful? That being said it would allow you to have the Mexica do most of the countering themselves and again dispelling the myth that before the Europeans the Native Americans lived in peace and harmony and things were sunshine and rainbows that most people today believe.
Vinland survives, and the Norse tap into existing indigenous trade networks with the North Eimerican continent. Some voyages are launched south to find new trade partners or places to set up another outpost. I suppose one of those ships and their crew could be captured and then traded across North Eimerica down to the proto-Mexica. Or their leader receives a vision or directive from the Worm Cult to go south and meet up with them, so he and his followers set out on a long journey.
With the Ashikaga/Shiba ruling in northern Japan and the Koreans and the anti-Christian Emperor in Kyoto in the south could lay the ground work for the divided Japan we see in the 2000's?
It goes as follows:

Mongol conquest of Japan comes from the north through Hokkaido instead of through Kyushu because of Goryeo's resistance. An invasion of Kyushu still occurs, launched from the coast of China, but it is much smaller, and its goal is to use Kyushu as a staging ground to invade southern Korea. Realizing this threat, Goryeo invades Kyushu at the same time to destroy the Mongol fleets and deny its ports to the Yuan. They get help from many local noble clans who fear the Mongols. The clans that refuse to work with Goryeo are soon destroyed by Korean troops and their local allies, and their lands are given to either the allied clans or Korean military governors. The Kamakura shogunate collapses after the sack of Kamakura, and the Hojo clan is overthrown by rival clans angered by its corruption and tyranny.

Parallel Japanese institutions emerge in Korean Kyushu and Mongol Kamakura as the remaining clans seek out a powerful backer depending on which one they're opposed to. Kyushu is organized as a new province of Goryeo, which backs a new shogunate in western Honshu and Shikoku. The Mongol conquests become a new Yuan province, though the regions between Kyoto and Korean-allied western Honshu are de facto independent. Eventually there emerge two imperial courts (the northern and southern courts), two shoguns (also drawn from the imperial family, as the OTL Kamakura shoguns were at this point), and two shogun regents (in the south, a Goryeo-backed clan and then the Goryeo military regime itself; in the north, a pro-Mongol clan if not a Yuan prince/a clan that intermarried with the Borjigins as a darughachi/zhangguan). This is where the 20th century border starts developing.

The Jurchen rebellion and subsequent collapse of the Yuan Dynasty isolates the Mongols in Japan. The darughachi and their puppet shogun are eventually overthrown by the northern court and subsequently the Ashikaga (name pending), who establish themselves as new shoguns in the vein of OTL Joseon replacing Goryeo. The northern shogunate then marches south to reunite Japan and take back the territories that Goryeo conquered, only to fall apart when the northern court reintegrates into the pro-Goryeo southern court. Roman Christianity makes inroads here as an alternative to Goryeo and the Ashikaga successors, eventually being adopted by the Shiba clan. It is particularly popular in Honshu north of Kamakura as they had suffered the most since the Mongol invasion. They aren't an outright majority, though—probably only 30% of the population at most were Christian. Still, it reinforces the border that is later used at partition in the 20th century. At this rate, maybe I should change the capital of the modern "Shiba Shogunate" to Kamakura.

I wouldn't say that the emperor of Japan is anti-Christian. He's more pro-Goryeo due to its role in protecting the imperial dynasty against the Mongols and now against a perceived Roman colonial threat. Same with the Christians who don't really have a problem with the emperor, just his claim of divine descent (which they could easily reinterpret as descent from Christ, since there's loads of groups both in OTL Europe and Asia that already do that).
Now that you brought up how the Mongol Invasion of Japan will be different I could see Ghost of Tsushima taking place in Ryukyu instead?
That might happen, but I'd have to play the game to figure out the details. Unfortunately I'm pretty terrible at action games and I don't think I have a console that can run it well at the moment.
So in this rework the Late Jin do not seem to be as important as this screenshot seems to imply?
The "Later Jin" focus on Manchuria proper, though in yesterday's rework I'll already have Big Korea start existing from the mid-1300s as Goryeo seizes territories with large Korean populations or historical ties to Balhae/Goguryeo from the Yuan and Jurchens. This spurs a migration of Jurchens north and east into Siberia, the Ainu lands, and northern Honshu (drawn by Ashikaga promises of money and land since they want more troops, farmers, and eventual taxpayers). But the full modern borders are only achieved after 1600 when a gold rush in Outer Manchuria ensues, drawing thousands of Koreans and Chinese north, followed by Goryeo and Ming armies generously paid by Fusang/Tawantinsuyuan gold and silver. The Late Jin ceases to be an organized dynastic state after the loss of Manchuria and is reduced to Siberian nomads and Japanese mercenaries.
With the Goryeo falling in Korea and only surviving in Japan and Manchuria who would take power in Korea itself. Would it be the Joseon of OTL or someone else?
Goryeo doesn't fall, only the military regime does. Goryeo in OTL had a military dictatorship at the time of the Mongol expansion. It fell apart because the Yuan provided another source of political legitimacy and also sought to undermine any potential military threats to their domination. Since Goryeo successfully held off the Yuan, the military regime continues and gradually evolves into a coherent institution akin to a shogunate. It falls apart in Korea due to the Ming becoming politically and economically ascendant in Goryeo in the aftermath of the economic collapse. The emperor and the civil service bureaucracy retake control, this time with heavy Ming backing.
This does have historical president in that although some empires in history like the Egyptian's, Roman's, Chinese and British have a slow collapse over many years you also have empires that collapse vary quickly like the Mongols and Ottoman's who collapse a lot quicker. Which I think Zen did say that he modeled the Mexica after OTL's Ottoman's anyway so their is that?
A little bit, yes. I mentioned above that the Roman sack of Tenochtitlan had some influences from the 1453 sack of Constantinople, and I did call it the "Sick Man of Eimerica" in Victoria 2, but I'll probably deemphasize the OTL parallel in Definitive Edition.
I think it might be a bit different with the Mongols invading from the North. On this note, I remember a r/badhistory post on the game saying that Bushido is largely a product of the Edo period and Meiji restoration, and checking Wikipedia tells me it was formalized in that era, so I wonder how it would develop here? Same question applies to the Anninaverse, but that’s a topic better saved for the PM.
Proto-bushido codes were developed in the Kamakura, and I imagine they'd be significantly refined in response to the Mongol invasion, though its development diverges depending on the region. In the Yuan puppet shogunate, samurai codes (since the word "bushido" is an Edo era invention) are coopted to encourage loyalty to the darughachi, the puppet shogun, and puppet emperor. It's similar in the Goryeo domains, only with the emperor of Goryeo and the military regime/jangjun in charge. In the buffer regions where clans remain largely independent of either, it develops as an anti-Goryeo and anti-Mongol mentality calling for Japan to be freed from foreign oppression. Christian samurai integrate it into their faith—despite Christianity being another foreign import, they see it as a way to free Japan from Goryeo and all of the clans and institutions that it coopted. A lot of these Japanese—both Christians and non-Christians—eventually make their way to Fusang and bring their ideals with them to inspire Fusang ronin stories. Some Shiba exiles establish a city called Shibatan in OTL Spokane because I noticed Spokane's name in Chinese (斯波坎) had the kanji for the Shiba clan and thought it was funny.
 
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The real threat comes from the Mongol invasion of Sakhalin.
The Jurchens revolt in 1343 and by 1348 declare independence as the Later Jin.
Turns out I didn't read my sources clearly enough. There was a Jurchen revolt in 1343, and some Jurchen clans claimed the title of Jin successors in 1348, but it wasn't a Manchuria-wide rebellion where the Yuan lost complete control. The Yuan retained control over Manchuria (as "Liaoyang Province," which I'll use for Chinese (遼陽) and Korean (요양/Yoyang) administrative units in the future and DE instead of Nurgan, which will still remain as the Jurchen name) until the Ming invaded in 1387, long after the Yuan had collapsed in China proper. That helps me on the "Yuan don't completely collapse but remain in Northern China with help from the Timurids and the rest of the Mongol Empire" front, and I no longer have to move up Goryeo's northern expansion to the 14th century. Since the Ming are in no position to project power in Northeast Asia for a long time, Goryeo has all the time it needs to slowly expand against the Yuan remnants and Jurchen tribes. That also lets me preserve parts of the "Big Manchu" blob by having it be part of the Yuan remnants. So I could have the Mongol puppet shogunate survive a bit longer, until it's isolated by Goryeo conquering mainland Manchuria and Sakhalin, after which it falls apart and Goryeo gets an opportunity to invade from the north.

Here's a reworked timeline from the 13th century up to the final conquest of Japan, this time incorporating much of the original game’s progression. The years are subject to change of course.

1250s: Goryeo’s Ch’oe clan, which had dominated the military regime for generations, continues to have competent leaders and is not overthrown by other generals. The military dictatorship evolves from a coalition of generals into a hereditary office under the Ch’oe.

1270s-1280s: Song Dynasty falls but Goryeo and Dai Viet do not. Kublai Khan decides to cut his losses for now and eliminate Japan through Sakhalin and Kyushu, then invade Goryeo from the south. The 1274 invasion of Japan doesn’t happen due to no Goryeo to launch the ships from, but 1281 is slightly stronger and draws on more troops and ships from the recently conquered Song. They successfully establish a foothold in northern Kyushu at Tsushima and then Hakata. The provincial capital at Dazaifu falls soon afterward, after the Yuan defeat a massive coalition of local lords on land and a storm sinks thousands of Japanese reinforcements and their noble commanders sailing to retake Hataka. Most of Kyushu falls into Yuan hands by the end of the decade, but resistance continues in certain mountainous regions and fortified castles (some of which, ironically, were built with the help of Baekje centuries ago). More reinforcements come in from China, particularly ships. This sets off alarms within the Ch’oe, which concludes Goryeo is the next target immediately orders a naval buildup. It takes a couple years, during which the Yuan finish subjugating Manchuria as Liaoyang Province, resettle Chinese and Koreans in the frontier regions, and then invade the Ainu in Sakhalin and Hokkaido. The major Ainu chiefs largely submit by the end of the decade (about 20 years earlier than OTL), so the Yuan invade northern Honshu with a large army of Mongols, Chinese, and Jurchens, taking advantage of rebellions from Buddhist sects and rival clans fighting each other over Ainu trading privileges. They advance far south, where they meet massive resistance from the Kamakura shogunate and the clans in the area. But the shogunate itself faces rebellions from clans opposed to the Hojo. The Yuan restore the destroyed Fujiwara city of Hiraizumi as their capital until they take Kamakura.

1290s: Finishing its militarization, Goryeo attacks the Mongol fleet at Tsushima. The surviving ships, mostly captured Song riverboats, are subsequently destroyed in a storm, which the Japanese interpret as Goryeo being divinely favored. Goryeo then invades Hakata and captures Dazaifu. It forms alliances with local clans to reinforce its armies as they destroy the Yuan forces in the rest of Kyushu. Meanwhile, the Yuan forces in the north sack Kamakura, leading to the collapse of the Hojo clan and the shogunate. A new pro-Yuan clan is appointed as darughachi and shogunal regents in Kamakura. Japan between Kyushu and Kamakura falls into chaos as clans fight each other over who should the rightful shogunal regent or just shogun outright. Goryeo props up its own clan as regent. Kyoto falls, and with it the Japanese imperial house falls into Yuan hands. The Yuan install their preferred imperial prince on the throne and a second prince as a shogun, while other princes escape to Kyushu to seek the backing of Goryeo, whom they see as the only power strong enough to defeat the Yuan. The remaining clans of western Honshu submit to the Yuan shogunate soon after, but Shikoku remains independent of both Goryeo and the Yuan. By 1300, the two sides have their own puppet emperors, shoguns, and shogun regents. On the Mongol side, while their puppet emperors and shoguns remain drawn from the northern court, the regents eventually come from a Borjigin cadet branch which also intermarries with the northern court. On the Goryeo side, the southern court contributes the emperors, but the shoguns and regents are drawn from not only the southern court but also pro-Goryeo clans, the Ch’oe clan, and even the imperial house of Goryeo.

1300s-1340s: The Yuan consolidate their hold over Honshu, though the clans of western Honshu, funded by both Goryeo and the independent clans of Shikoku, submit in name only and remain effectively independent. Many Jurchens, Chinese, Mongols, and Manchurian Koreans are settled in northern Japan as shock troops, while others are settled in Sakhalin and Ainu Mosir. The roots of Japanese Christianity are found here when Church of the East bishops from Central Asia and Roman Orthodox priests from the Reich (arriving after Roman-Mongol relations are normalized) establish churches in Kamakura. Goryeo remains in a constant state of war with the Yuan. Its navy raids cities along the northern Japanese coast to preemptively destroy any fleets being assembled to invade Goryeo. Its army wages a war of attrition in Manchuria against the Yuan, which is still fighting the Tran in the south among other enemies.

1340s-1360s: The Yuan Dynasty collapses in China. Despite some Jurchen rebellions (which Goryeo uses to its advantage by either conquering the rebels first or swaying them to its side for military protection), the Yuan stay in power in the north and Manchuria with reinforcements from the Timurids and Japan. The Yuan shogunate also remains in power, heavily relying on the north court for legitimacy, but many Japanese clans grumble when their troops and sons are sent off to die as reinforcements for the mainland Yuan against the Ming. Still, Japan’s urbanization and relative prosperity compared to the chaos in Mongolia and the rural wilderness of Manchuria keeps the Yuan afloat. In the coming decades, as Beijing and northern China become buffer regions and the site of many battles with the Ming, the Yuan become increasingly centered on and ruling from Kamakura, relying heavily on Japanese and Jurchen soldiers for its armies.

1360s-1420s: Goryeo gradually expands in Manchuria, chipping away at Yuan power as part of an alliance with the Ming, which recognize Goryeo's Balhae and Goguryeo claims to the region. The Yuan meanwhile march north to subjugate the Siberian tribes and add them to their army. Mass resettlements of Chinese, Korean, and Jurchen communities in Manchuria to Outer Manchuria and Siberia take place, both to remove them from the Ming/Goryeo border regions and to "civilize" the frontier.

1450s: The Ashikaga clan seizes power in Kamakura and proclaims a new shogunate free of both Goryeo and the Yuan, but their rule crumbles as the western clans rise up in full rebellion and civil war breaks out. Yuan rule is pushed back to the provinces north of Kamakura. The capital is relocated back to Hiraizumi, where the first recorded ancestor of the Aisin Gioro clan, Möngke Temür, appears as a talented warrior in service to the Yuan. The Mongol ruling class finds itself increasingly torn between its Jurchen, Japanese, and Chinese subjects.

Early 1500s: Fusang gold and silver begins arriving as contact is established and trade routes set up, creating an economic boom in the Ming, Tran, and Goryeo. Roman traders bring with them Roman Orthodox Christianity, now with another 200 years of theological innovations. Japan remains fought over by Goryeo, the Yuan, and the independent clans, of which the Shiba are a rising power and the Ashikaga are on the decline.

Mid-1500s: The gap between the Borjigins of Mongolia and Japan widens even further. The former was propped up by the Timurids and the Onggirat clan, but when the former is destroyed by India and the latter suffers heavy defeats to the Ming, their power base weakens, exposing northern China to Ming invasion. On the other hand, the descendants of Möngke Temür gradually gain power in the Hiraizumi court and secure the allegiance of the Jurchen tribes on the mainland.

Late 1500s-1600: The Ming decisively crush the Yuan in northern China and then Mongolia proper, leaving the Borjigins of Japan the last of the imperial Yuan. The Yuan initially remain in northern Japan, Hokkaido, and Sakhalin, but the current descendant of Möngke Temür, Nurhaci, takes offense to the Borjigins for killing his father in 1583, among other policies favoring the Japanese over Jurchens. Central Japan is fought over by the Ashikaga, Shiba, and a few other clans, and Kyushu, Shikoku, and the western edge of Honshu are firmly under Goryeo's control. Goryeo conducts its ill-fated invasion of Ryukyu shortly after completing the conquest of Shikoku with the defeat of Tsuruhime, and the Ryukyuan sack of Kaesong in retaliation deters it from further Japanese expansion for a while. The Shiba daimyo converts to Roman Orthodoxy to get priority access to Roman weapons.

1600-1620: Nurhaci deposes the Borjigins, dissolves the Yuan shogunate, and takes over the remaining Yuan territories in Manchuria, Siberia, and Japan (and causing chaos in the former two that the Ming exploit). He claims the surname of Aisin Gioro for his family and proclaims the Later Jin Dynasty. A brilliant military mind, his motivated troops destroy the Ashikaga and capture Kamakura. In response to the dissolution of the shogunate, the northern court relocates to the southern court and is absorbed into it, granting the Goryeo shogunate more legitimacy. Speaking of which, the Goryeo shogunate and the Goryeo military regime have become one by now as the Ch’oe clan formalizes its hereditary military dictatorship and, borrowing from Japan, begins prioritizing the use of the title janggun. The combined northern and southern court eventually grant the title of shogun upon the current Ch’oe janggun, merging the titles into one. The Ch’oe clan declares that the emperor of Japan has submitted to the emperor of Goryeo. Goryeo continues its economic boom and sets up trade outposts in the far northeast of Siberia and on the Pacific Northwest coast, hoping to set up its own trade routes without going through Ryukyu or the Ming/Tran-dominated Qiandao Islands.

1620s-1640s: The untimely death of Nurhaci interrupts his plans to conquer the rest of Japan to use as a power base to push the Ming out of Manchuria. His son Hong Taiji takes over for him but immediately faces rebellions from the Japanese clans under his rule, Borjigin loyalists, the Ainu, and fringe Buddhist sects. The Shiba clan seizes on the opportunity to strike and launches a full invasion, starting with taking back Kamakura to boost their legitimacy. In 1648, they take Hiraizumi and drive the Later Jin out of Honshu. The Later Jin completely collapse at this point as the Ming and Goryeo (under a janggun favoring Manchurian expansion over Japanese expansion) carve up Manchuria, their armies fueled by Fusang gold and silver.

1660s: The collapse of Later Jin is complete with the conquest of the last Jurchen lands in Manchuria by Goryeo in 1660. All that are left are scattered clans in Siberia and Borjigin loyalists/Aisin Gioro remnants fighting Ainu lords in Hokkaido. The rest of the decade sees these clans turning on each other in an attempt to claim an imperial title, while Goryeo, the Ming, and Fusang gradually enter Siberia to finish the job.

1670s: Goryeo invades and conquers Ainu Mosir while its Ainu, Japanese, Jurchen, and Mongol clans are still fighting each other. The ascension of a new janggun favoring Japanese expansion sees Hokkaido used, much like the Yuan did almost 400 years earlier, as a staging ground to invade Japan from the north. In Siberia, the Yukaghir people (the “Khodynt” tag) and “Kamchadals” (since they were descendants of natives and Ainu who assimilated with Russians, I’ll have these ones be similar but they assimilated with Jurchens, Koreans, Fusangren, and Yavdians) break free of Jurchen rule with Fusang’s help, while Fusang expands its trade outposts in Siberia. By the end of the decade, Fusang has brought much of far eastern Siberia under its control. Goryeo begins suffering massive inflation and enters a period of economic crisis, forcing the janggun to put his invasion plans on hold.

1696: The last Jurchen clans are finally subjugated by the Ming, Fusang, and to a lesser extent Yavdi.

1699-early 1700s: Obsessed with conquering Japan, the janggun agrees to a Ming offer to supply the cash and troops in exchange for more trade privileges and “advisors” in the Goryeo imperial court. The invasion commences a year later, and by 1701 Goryeo has taken northern Japan. The next ten years become a slog as the Shiba desperately throw everything they have against the invaders, but the combined Sino-Korean alliance has limitless men, a massive treasury, and the most advanced weapons in Asia. The Reich is unable to assist due to the distance, but it sends ambassadors—a Church representative contacting the Metropolitans of Kamakura, Nanjing, and Kaesong—in an attempt to negotiate a ceasefire. By 1713, the Shiba have been reduced to the area around Kyoto, which is initially left alone provided the Shiba acknowledge Goryeo’s superiority and claims to the rest of Japan. The modern border gradually starts developing due to differences in how the older conquests of southern Japan are administered (Koreanized, with some allied clans remaining) compared to the newer northern Japan conquests (a mix of Christians, Jurchens, Japanese, Mongols, Ainu, Koreans, and others).

1728: Increasing intermarriage between the Ming and Goryeo imperial houses results in the military regime losing power and legitimacy as it now comes from the Ming via the Goryeo imperial family. Those who could speak Chinese, were well educated in Confucian classics, or had access to the Ming court or the Goryeo imperial family gained greater influence, while the janggun was discredited due to his costly war in Japan and the political sacrifices needed to achieve it. The Ch’oe clan is subsequently overthrown when the Goryeo emperor orders their political and military authority revoked. The Shiba clan attempts to rebel at this time, hoping to take advantage of the political instability, but their rebellion is crushed and Kyoto brought under direct Goryeo rule. The emperor of Japan is forced to acknowledge the suzerainty of the emperor of Goryeo via the janggun of the Ch’oe clan, which remains in power as shoguns of Japan despite losing power in Korea. From here on, the janggun transitions into an office akin to a colonial governor. Due to financial difficulties and the recent regime change, Goryeo is forced to let the Ming co-rule Japan, and the colonial administration of the janggun is filled with Chinese bureaucrats aside from in Kyushu, Shikoku, and Hokkaido/Sakhalin, which are considered full provinces of Goryeo. Goryeo is also forced to sell its Siberian and Pacific Northwest colonies to the Ming and Fusang, ending its colonial aspirations. For the next few centuries, it focuses on holding what it already has while trying to claw back its independence.
 
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I sure hope this is the last big lore post I've got on this week's research binge. Just a few things to add on to the previous post.

I learned that Halley's Comet appeared in 1066, 1145, 1222, and 1301. I should probably do something with those appearances.

The main Tran port during the 13th century would be Vân Đồn until Tran control over Guangzhou was secured enough and the old Song-style economy was propped up and expanded into Vietnam.

The Chikama clan, a retainer to the Hojo clan, controlled Satsuma in the 14th century and the trade routes to Ryukyu, Hakata, and the mainland. They'd be an easy target for the Mongols in Kyushu. Subsequently Goryeo takes their domains after finishing its conquest of Kyushu and with it gains control over many of the trade routes between Japan and Asia. The Amami Islands, which were claimed as part of the Chikama domains, fall under Goryeo administration until the late 16th century, when Ryukyu annexes them in a peace treaty after the sack of Kaesong.

Speaking of Ryukyu, I found records of possible Ryukyuan leaders (most likely semi-legendary or regional chieftains) active in the late 13th century. In OTL the Yuan supposedly did try and fail to invade Ryukyu twice in 1292 and 1297, but most scholars consider the "Liuqiu" the sources mention is Taiwan and not Ryukyu (see my previous commentary on Taiwan's name). I'll have the 1292 invasion be for Taiwan since the sources already say that invasion got sidetracked attacking another island, while the 1297 invasion targets Ryukyu. The elderly king Eiso (probably a powerful chieftain who united the other tribes of Okinawa), took to the field once more to defeat the Yuan invaders, passing away once the Yuan fleet was seen disappearing back over the horizon. The Eiso dynasty until his grandson, after which the Sanzan period began, which I'm not going to cover because the sources we have are contradictory and unclear as to what exactly was going on. But this period sees growing urbanization, militarization, Sinicization, adoption of Buddhism, and trade with China. Shō Hashi unites the islands as the first king of Ryukyu in 1429, and the kingdom prospers first on the sea trade between Goryeo, Japan, and the Ming/Tran and then being the middleman on the trans-Pacific trade routes with Fusang and Tawantinsuyu.
It takes a couple years, during which the Yuan finish subjugating Manchuria as Liaoyang Province, resettle Chinese and Koreans in the frontier regions, and then invade the Ainu in Sakhalin and Hokkaido. The major Ainu chiefs largely submit by the end of the decade (about 20 years earlier than OTL), so the Yuan invade northern Honshu with a large army of Mongols, Chinese, and Jurchens, taking advantage of rebellions from Buddhist sects and rival clans fighting each other over Ainu trading privileges. They advance far south, where they meet massive resistance from the Kamakura shogunate and the clans in the area. But the shogunate itself faces rebellions from clans opposed to the Hojo. The Yuan restore the destroyed Fujiwara city of Hiraizumi as their capital until they take Kamakura.
A second invasion targets the port of Tsuchizaki (Akita) on the west coast of Tohoku, cutting off trade routes with Goryeo and Manchuria, which are now used to ship in more Yuan troops to reinforce the main army coming down from Hokkaido.
Mass resettlements of Chinese, Korean, and Jurchen communities in Manchuria to Outer Manchuria and Siberia take place, both to remove them from the Ming/Goryeo border regions and to "civilize" the frontier.
For the record, this would be under the Chinese tuntian system. Wikipedia doesn't have an entry on how the Yuan used it, but they definitely did since the Mongol Empire was known for resettling and importing peoples from all across its domains.
Japan between Kyushu and Kamakura falls into chaos as clans fight each other over who should the rightful shogunal regent or just shogun outright. Goryeo props up its own clan as regent. Kyoto falls, and with it the Japanese imperial house falls into Yuan hands. The Yuan install their preferred imperial prince on the throne and a second prince as a shogun, while other princes escape to Kyushu to seek the backing of Goryeo, whom they see as the only power strong enough to defeat the Yuan.
As stated before, the Ōuchi clan with their claims of descent from Baeje would be key figures in Goryeo's rule over western Japan. After the Mongols sack Kamakura and march on Kyoto, Goryeo tasks the Ōuchi and other anti-Kamakura clans with relocating the imperial court, or more specifically pro-Goryeo princes and their allies, to the port city of Yamaguchi. Kyoto is spared a sack, but the emperor who remains is forced to abdicate in favor of a pro-Mongol prince, establishing the northern court.

Finally, a short post for once.
 
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A little bit of research today I have to stop doing this turned up the name Hitakami, a land said in some Japanese sources to lie northeast of Japan. The leading theories are that it represents either Yamato Province or the Tohoku region before it was brought under Japanese rule, but I might use the Koreanized version (일고현, Ilgohyeon) as the name of Goryeo’s province in Hokkaido.

Also, I’m not sold on Goryeo coming in from behind the Yuan invasion of Japan and sniping Kyushu in the chaos, forcing the Yuan to send their main forces on a really long and dangerous march through Manchuria, Sakhalin, Hokkaido, and then Tohoku to hit Kamakura from the north. The Yuan forces would probably have fallen apart in both the west and the north once their main supply route from China was cut off. I feel like tweaking the above timeline so that the Yuan retain Kyushu and truly make the invasion a two-front war, while Goryeo is busy still fighting on land.
1290s: Finishing its militarization, Goryeo attacks the Mongol fleet at Tsushima. The surviving ships, mostly captured Song riverboats, are subsequently destroyed in a storm, which the Japanese interpret as Goryeo being divinely favored. Goryeo then invades Hakata and captures Dazaifu. It forms alliances with local clans to reinforce its armies as they destroy the Yuan forces in the rest of Kyushu.
The Kamakura shogunate eventually falls, the standard purging and installing of a puppet regime happens, and the Yuan now turn their attention to Goryeo, which is surrounded on all sides. They attempt to invade southern Korea through Tsushima, and the attempt is beaten back (sound like a broken record, but I want to put at least two “divine wind” incidents somewhere to break the Japanese armies/nobility and then the Yuan forces while granting Goryeo’s legitimacy). The idea to invade Japan comes from multiple sources and reasons—traders wanting to lift the embargo that’s descending upon Goryeo; generals who want to divert Yuan forces to Japan from the Manchurian front; other generals who want to prevent another invasion from the south; Japanese exiles who want Goryeo’s help retaking their home; and Song, Jin, and Liao remnants bent on revenge. These exiles and remnants, as well as remaining Japanese resistance in Kyushu, Shikoku (still remaining independent of the Yuan), and western Honshu, make up for many Korean troops being stuck on the Manchurian front. So sometime in the 1330s, as the Yuan begin their decline, Goryeo begins its invasion, takes Kyushu, and sets up its own puppet imperial court (I’m flip-flopping again, but the only way this scenario works is with the original idea of anti-Yuan princes fleeing Kyoto for Goryeo), shogunate (more of these southern court princes), and shogun regent (the Ōuchi) in Yamaguchi (which is Goryeo’s main foothold in western Honshu). Shikoku remains independent of both Goryeo in Kyushu and the Yuan in Honshu, while Japanese clans in western Honshu (west of Osaka) either submit to the Yuan in name only or rebel with Goryeo’s support. Among these are the Ashikaga clan (I’ve finally committed to using them in light of new information you’ll see below), which gradually take over Shikoku and gain allies in the western Honshu buffer zone. As a cadet branch of the old Minamoto clan, they claim the title of shogun. Goryeo grumbles that they don’t swear fealty to their puppet shogun, but they still funnel cash and weapons to the Ashikaga.

After this, the timeline reverts to what I’ve laid out in the 1300-1350 section. When the Yuan collapse in China, the Ashikaga seize the opportunity and attack. The western lords rise in rebellion alongside them, and soon they sweep into Kyoto and liberate it. They are unable to push further east to Kamakura yet (and the Yuan shogunate’s puppet emperor has already been relocated to Hiraizumi), so they settle for Kyoto and central Japan for now. Yes, this means that for the next hundred years, Japan has not one, not two, but three emperors and shoguns.

The Ashikaga remain in power until the 1440s-50s and even retake Kamakura, but increasing decentralization of power to the warrior class (creating the daimyo as an institution), a succession crisis within the Ashikaga, and a cadet branch of the Ashikaga, recently adopting the name Shiba, pressing its claim all contribute to the collapse of their shogunate and Goryeo and the Yuan shogunate attacking. The rest of the timeline proceeds as before with the Sengoku-style civil war, the rise of the Shiba shogunate, the Later Jin usurping the Yuan, and Goryeo steadily advancing in the west.
 
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If I’m going to keep doing this, I should really focus on the first things I’ll address in Definitive Edition. Which means this evening I looked at surviving Norse paganism. This should be a brief post compared to the previous ones. Assuming a soft POD in the 10th century to buy time for the “reformation” to be set in stone (earlier would make it easier but require massive and unpredictable changes involving Charlemagne), I can do the following to ensure enough Norse pagans, pagan institutions, and pagan polities are still around in 1066 to begin a “resurgence.”

Have the Norse start writing down and codifying their religious rituals on paper or some other parchment. Some kings had already tried that in OTL, but perhaps developing a local tradition of parchment-making will help more. The script would be using runes since the Latin alphabet was linked to Christianity.

The Norwegians discover the Kongsberg silver mines centuries earlier (in OTL they were supposedly discovered by chance), lessening their dependence on trade with Europe that encourages conversion. This increases the strength of the Norwegian monarchy relative to other jarls and local rulers, weakening the need to get an advantage over them via conversion.

Standardization and codification of the rituals as above further centralizes power in the monarchy as the jarls and other local nobility can no longer carry out their own rites. The monarchy thus establishes a priestly class of godi with the king as high priest (“Fylkir” in old lore, rename pending). This model spreads to the monarchies of Denmark and Sweden as a native alternative to relying on Christians for centralization of power and economic advantages.
Norway is frustrating because Saint Olaf’s reign ended 30 years before the “official” POD, solidifying Norwegian Christianity. However, I don’t have to go too far back. I could have either Haakon Jarl survive the rebellion that ended his life, or I could have Olaf Tryggvason, who overthrew him and became King Olaf I, not meet the fortune teller whose prediction of the future led to his conversion to Christianity.
Yeah, I’m just gonna go with killing Olaf Tryggvason before he does anything to be simpler. That should set back Christianity in Norway for a while. Haakon Jarl and his successors carry out the stuff mentioned above, or maybe this stuff was done by a predecessor and they can build on it.

Animal and human sacrifices are gradually phased out, since they are financially expensive, waste valuable livestock and individuals, and look bad to Christians. The Swedes, who still had significant pagan communities and leaders until the end of the 11th century, would do something similar but assign greater importance to the Temple of Uppsala.

Due to the geography and culture, it would be pretty hard to unify all of Scandinavia into a single kingdom at this point. Best I can do is an elective monarchy with a national “Hogting” (rename pending) that inherits both the Temple of Uppsala of the Swedes and the “Fylkir” of the Norwegians (and whatever the Danes have). The kingdoms and jarldoms would still exist within this big confederation, who would elect a “Fylkir” from among them to protect them against the Christians to the south. Over time this evolved into a de facto hereditary monarchy like the Habsburg HRE (or using something like tanistry), probably with the Ynglings dominating because of the silver mine. Either that or I have Canute/a pagan equivalent/old lore Harald Hardrada on steroids forcibly unify everything.

Having Harald Hardrada (or a pagan equivalent) ultimately prevailing in England over both Harold Godwinson and the papal-backed William of Normandy would be immensely damaging to the Papacy, increasing the legitimacy of the HRE faction in the Investiture Controversy (more on that another day) and Norse pagans. The Church will also be busy dealing with not only the England mess but also Friedrich.

On the Christian side, I can still use my idea of Friedrich waging war on the Papacy (more another day) to divert resources used for the conversion of Scandinavia, but I have to deal with the Archbishopric of Hamburg-Bremen, which in OTL was the primarily HRE ally on the Scandinavian front against the Papacy (which backed another church based in Uppsala—some historians believe the Temple of Uppsala as described in German sources was mostly an allegory for this papal ally during the IC).

Surviving Norse paganism under a somewhat centralized entity is one factor that indirectly weakens the pressure for the Slavs and other Eastern Europeans to convert. Whatever Norse proclamations of a “resurgence” happen in the 1060s, alongside Christianity’s inward turn due to Friedrich challenging the Pope with the Orthodox Church’s backing, also reinforce pagan (rather anti-Christian) institutions and buy them time to further centralize and “reform” (though that word is a game invention). This is mostly for the East Slavs of Rus’ since the OTL Lithuanians and Finns wouldn’t convert for much longer. I think my previous posts on them should still apply.

Also, the OTL Vinland settlements had access to local sources of iron. If I have Vinland survive until the Sunset Invasion, that’s enough time for iron tools and weapons to circulate through North Eimerican trade networks and reach Fusang (if it turns out the magnetite deposits I mentioned can only be mined with industrial technology and the bog iron deposits in the Pacific Northwest aren’t big enough). They wouldn’t bring horses, though, since it was impractical to bring them to small and remote Vinland in OTL. That’s for Fusang to do, since they had no choice (though Japanese horses at the time weren’t suited for cavalry, so they’d probably have to bring in horses they captured or bought in Manchuria and Goryeo). Which probably means the Mexica Empire will have horses and some iron weapons (but still prioritizing the more common obsidian) by the time of the Sunset Invasion.
 
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I do believe the Anglo-Saxons had their own elective system during this period, the Witengamot? Could be one of the ideas the Norse drew inspiration for their elective system, especially with the Danelaw having been a thing at this time. Would make sense why England remained under Norse control before it was retaken by Fredriech the Glorious.
 
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I do believe the Anglo-Saxons had their own elective system during this period, the Witengamot? Could be one of the ideas the Norse drew inspiration for their elective system, especially with the Danelaw having been a thing at this time. Would make sense why England remained under Norse control before it was retaken by Fredriech the Glorious.
I could also the Icelandic Commonwealth of this era influencing both Scandavia and Vinland, which makes me wonder how the Commonwealth itself would fare? I could see it lasting as an independent polity until the Sunset Invasion inevitably destroys it and then falls under Scandinavia when the Mexica are kicked out. As for England's integration into the Reich, I think it makes sense another Jarldom separate from Scandinavia being established like in Iberia, which would lend it self to either being conquered or peacefully vassalized by the Reich.

I think historically the kingdoms of Kongo and Loango also had elements of elective monarchy in their systems, so I guess the eparch of Loango would be appointed meritocratically. Speaking of Loango, going off the project Caesar 1337 startdate, do you have an idea of how we got from Great Zimbabwe and Kongo to Loango? I also wonder how the Kilwa sultanate lasted so long and how its insitutions and society was intergrated into Pascimabhumi after its conquest in EU4. I also if there would be trade between Penglai and Kilwa based off what I found here?
 
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I do believe the Anglo-Saxons had their own elective system during this period, the Witengamot? Could be one of the ideas the Norse drew inspiration for their elective system, especially with the Danelaw having been a thing at this time. Would make sense why England remained under Norse control before it was retaken by Fredriech the Glorious.
Yep, England still had the witan in 1066. The witan electing Harold Godwinson as the successor of Edward the Confessor was what set off the wars that led to the Norman conquest in OTL. I’ll probably have the unified Norse realm develop its own elective monarchy as a result of its geographical and economic circumstances, since Scandinavia is large and mountainous so it would be quite hard directly ruling over it all with an 11th century monarchy. Comparisons with Irish tanistry and the Anglo-Saxon witan would be made, but the tings would be the main influence on this system.
I could also the Icelandic Commonwealth of this era influencing both Scandavia and Vinland, which makes me wonder how the Commonwealth itself would fare? I could see it lasting as an independent polity until the Sunset Invasion inevitably destroys it and then falls under Scandinavia when the Mexica are kicked out. As for England's integration into the Reich, I think it makes sense another Jarldom separate from Scandinavia being established like in Iberia, which would lend it self to either being conquered or peacefully vassalized by the Reich.
Also, I’ve revised a bit of the older lore for Norse pagan reformation. Denmark was effectively fully Christianized by the early 11th century, to the point where pagans probably wouldn’t take back power unless I completely destabilize the HRE. I instead went with the Danish king Sweyn Forkbeard being a genuine pagan like Adam of Bremen slandered him as, then kept the Norwegian king Olaf Tryggvason alive at first. When Olaf rebels against Haakon Jarl and has him killed, Haakon’s sons Erik and Sweyn Haakonson form an alliance with Sweyn Forkbeard and the Swedish king Olof Skötkonung (who was Sweyn Haakonson’s brother or father in law) as in OTL. Unlike OTL, this alliance forms soon after the rebellion begins and quickly crushes Olaf before he can begin aggressive Christianization efforts, with a side effect of encouraging significant pagan revivals, anti-Christian backlash, and pan-Scandinavian sentiments.

Erik and Sweyn are installed with Danish-Swedish support as co-ruling “Governor of Norway” under Denmark instead of king. Erik later leaves with Cnut (here a full pagan) in his conquest of England, and Sweyn becomes the sole ruler of Norway. Saint Olaf remains pagan here as his family was baptized by Olaf Tryggvason. He still rebels, claiming descent from Harald Fairhair, but is defeated, and his half-brother Harald Hardrada goes into exile. Sweyn deepens ties with Sweden (through his marriage ties with Olof), Denmark (his suzerain), and England (through Erik serving under Cnut).

Cnut, in turn, gradually builds up his power. Like OTL, he starts with being elected king of England and then invading to conquer the rest in retaliation for the massacring of Danes. He is then elected the king of Denmark after the death of his brother, but without Saint Olaf and his line rising to the throne he doesn’t invade Norway. The Norse world thus consolidates into three kingdoms: Denmark-England under Cnut’s line and eventually (I don’t know how exactly) Norway under the line of Sweyn Haakonson, and Sweden under Olof Skötkonung’s descendants. Cnut introduces the elective institution of “fylkir,” chosen to lead all of the Norse against a threat from the Christians in times of crisis, and the standardization of rites on paper. Sweyn brings a priestly class centered on the Temple of Uppsala and the Kongsberg silver mines.

Cnut still has his sons with Ælfgifu of Northampton, but as he is still pagan, he is unable to marry Emma of Normandy, so he has only two sons: Sweyn and Harold. Harold becomes king in both England and Denmark upon the death of Cnut, and the title of “fylkir” goes vacant. Harold dies not long afterward in 1045. In England the nobles elect Edward the Confessor as the new king, ending pagan rule there. In Denmark, he dies without heirs (in OTL there is one individual generally believed to be his son, but I’ll just say that heir doesn’t exist here), so there is a succession crisis.

The nobles end up electing…Harald Hardrada (fully pagan without Olaf Tryggvason’s influence), who had returned from years of Varangian Guard service and military exploits abroad (including fighting the Normans in Sicily) as a capable commander to avenge his brother’s death. By now Harald has secured the thrones of Norway and Sweden by claiming descent from Harald Fairhair and his Swedish Yngling ancestors (after sweeping aside both previous kings in war), so now the Danish nobles elect him their king, unifying all of Scandinavia under his rule.

Claiming the title of “Fylkir” again, he lays claim to Cnut’s legacy and vows to reunite all four crowns of his empire by retaking England. He spends the next 20 years building up his army, suppressing rebellions, and further integrating the three kingdoms under his rule. He further standardizes the Norse religion, priesthood, and holy texts to strengthen his rule. He uses control of the Kongsberg silver mines to reduce his reliance on regional rulers, while also standardizing rules of succession across all three kingdoms so that the nobility elect the same heir from within his dynasty.

Harald spots an opening to invade England in 1066 when Edward the Confessor dies and Harold Godwinson is elected. Edward does the same thing he does with planning his succession in OTL, which gives William of Normandy a papal-backed claim on the throne of England, while the nobles elect Harold. Harold exiles his brother Tostig like in OTL, and Tostig eventually makes his way to Harald, who decides to use him as justification for his invasion.

The invasion happens at the same time as in OTL. Just like in the old lore, Harald wins at Stamford Bridge and uses that to legitimize both his political authority and newly reformed and centralized Norse religion. Unlike the old lore, Harold Godwinson straight up dies in this battle. The English nobility then divide into pro-Harald/Tostig (though Tostig was unpopularand unreliable so Harald would dispose of him as soon as he could) and pro-William/Papacy factions. William initially takes London and southern England, while Harald has the north and the old Danelaw. The following year, once the climate improves, the two raise armies against each other. Ultimately Harald prevails and utterly shatters William’s armies in a decisive battle, forcing him to retreat to Normandy in a blow to the Papacy’s political authority. In a direct challenge to the Catholic Church and the emperors of Christianity, he declares himself “Emperor of the Northern Lands,” which is how I can make “Nordland” work (I’ll still call it Scandinavia in this post in case I change it later).

The next few decades see Scandinavia further integrate, urbanize, and develop as a regional power while the Catholic Church, Holy Roman Empire, and William focus on the Investiture Controversy and the rise of Friedrich von Hohenzollern. Harald would be much more lenient of the Anglo-Saxons than William, leaving their power structures and institutions largely intact while also taking many notes on their urban society and economy back to Scandinavia. This is continued under his son Olaf (OTL Olaf III of Norway—to simplify things I had his brother Magnus not be born), who founds the city of Bergen in the model of English cities. A lot of Anglo-Saxons are encouraged to move to Bergen and other cities in Denmark and Norway, with some adopting the Norse pantheon and the rest joining the remaining Christian minorities there.

Scandinavia prospers off the North Sea trade routes. As Anglo-Saxon merchants begin trading in Scandinavian ports, England is closely tied with Scandinavian markets while retaining its connections with ports in Normandy and the Low Countries, becoming an intermediary between pagan Scandinavia and Christian Europe until Friedrich grants them unrestricted trading rights in exchange for an alliance against the Papacy.

Olaf lives much longer than in OTL but is still succeeded by an illegitimate son. He dies in 1104, upon which England refuses to acknowledge his heir as their king. England, Scotland, and Ireland rise in rebellion, and the English nobility call on Friedrich the Great (having just finished his conquest of the Middle East) to liberate them from the Norse, while the Scots and Irish just ask for Friedrich’s protection. Friedrich embarks on his final military campaign and drives the Scandinavians out of England. In gratitude, the English nobles elect Friedrich as their king, and he sets up the elective provincial system. Scotland and the Irish lords eventually join the Reich under Friedrich the Glorious, out of fear of Scandinavian invasion in retaliation for the loss of England, but retain significant autonomy until the Sunset Invasion.

The loss of England doesn’t hurt the imperial house of Scandinavia or its religion that much, since it was attributed to the rebellion of Christian English nobles using an illegitimate heir as an excuse. Future rulers instead focus on expansion in Finland or propping up the colonies in Iceland, Greenland, and Vinland. The Reich allowing the England-Scandinavia trade routes to continue as usual means it doesn’t hurt as much economically. However, few monarchs claim the title of Fylkir after Harald.

Harald’s victory at Stamford Bridge and subsequently England as a whole is the largest and clearest example of a “pagan resurgence” to the Christian world, and the subsequent retreat of Christianity from Rus’ and Islam from West Africa (among other places), the fierce resistance of Lithuanian and Baltic pagans against all of their neighbors (including Scandinavian raids), and reports of a Zoroastrian revival in the Seljuk court only reinforce that as a trend.
I think historically the kingdoms of Kongo and Loango also had elements of elective monarchy in their systems, so I guess the eparch of Loango would be appointed meritocratically. Speaking of Loango, going off the project Caesar 1337 startdate, do you have an idea of how we got from Great Zimbabwe and Kongo to Loango? I also wonder how the Kilwa sultanate lasted so long and how its insitutions and society was intergrated into Pascimabhumi after its conquest in EU4. I also if there would be trade between Penglai and Kilwa based off what I found here?
I’ll keep the Mutapa Empire’s founding legend of their first king being a prince of Great Zimbabwe who left to establish a new empire when it became clear the old city was in decline.

Loango and Kongo are on the other side of the continent so they developed differently, more along OTL lines.

Kilwa might be the last bastion of Islam in Africa after the Reich conquered the Middle East and North Africa, pragmatically using its position on major trade routes to stay intact, until it falls apart in civil wars, court intrigue, and corruption as in OTL, after which India arrives to directly take control of the trade ports and restore the trade routes (and also as another place to settle its excess population after an agricultural revolution and beginning of proto-industrialization).
 
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Okay, so I've hashed out Norse paganism. I'll keep the scenario for Lithuanian paganism as is for now because they were the longest surviving of the OTL European pagans (aside from the Sami). I'll address Rus' next. My current idea is changing the death of Sviatoslav. In OTL, the Byzantine emperor John Tzimiskes arranged for the Pechenegs to assassinate Sviatoslav in 972. Here he survives and comes to see the Byzantine Empire and Christianity as his enemies. To oppose them, he spends the rest of his reign centralizing power, shoring up and codifying pagan institutions, and suppressing the power of the other principalities. When news spreads of the Norse doing something similar, he decides to align closer with the pagans of Scandinavia and copies some of their ideas.

His son Vladimir (born legitimately and with his brothers predeceasing him at some point) is raised fully pagan and continues his OTL attempt to centralize and reform Slavic paganism. Six gods were prioritized above all: Perun, god of war and thunder and the head of the pantheon; Stribog, god of wealth; Dazhbog, god of the sun who would be brought east by the Mongols in later eras; Mat Zemlya, goddess of the earth syncretized with Finnic pagan deities (in OTL it was Mokosh, but as we have no concrete information on what she did, I don't want to talk about her); Simargl, inherited from the Persian Simurgh; and Zorya, goddess of the dawn who would also be brought east by the Mongols (I put her here because I couldn't find information on the last OTL god, Khors).

With his newly strengthened political and religious authority, Vladimir still assists Basil II's suppression of the rebellion by Bardas Sclerus and Bardas Phocas, but instead of asking to marry his sister Anna and promising to make Christianity the state religion, he demands that the Byzantine Empire cease attempts at converting Rus'. Nevertheless, he still incorporates many Byzantine legal institutions, urban planning, and the Cyrillic script into Rus' society as part of his reforms. This lays the groundwork for the later Roman-Rusian alliance, and Rus' eventually adopts the name "Rusia" due to this influence. Vladimir also continues his father's alignment with Scandinavia.

Vladimir doesn't marry as many wives as he did in OTL, since some of them were Christian and others don't have many reliable sources attesting to their existence or him being in their region at the time. He doesn't have as many sons. Reigning much longer than in OTL, he manages to standardize the succession into something approaching primogeniture, allowing him to choose the younger son Yaroslav over his more brutal older son Sviatopolk, who was disinherited for attempting to usurp the throne from him (this also prevents Yaroslav from becoming disappointed with his father and preparing for rebellion at the time of Vladimir's death). I'll let Vladimir live a few more years to solidify his rule more and get his reforms done. Sviatopolk attempts to rebel against Yaroslav after his death, claiming the throne because he is older, and Yaroslav relies heavily on the nobles and merchants of Novgorod, which he had ruled over as crown prince, to help him defeat Sviatopolk. After his victory, he grants Novgorod substantial autonomy and privileges, leading to the development of the Novgorod republic within Rus', while centralizing power elsewhere to prevent another Sviatopolk from emerging. Yaroslav also invests heavily in Rostov and the newly founded town of Yaroslavl, making them large northern urban centers in addition to Kyiv. He aligns with Olof Skötkonung of Sweden by marrying his daughter. Relations are strained when Harald Hardrada takes over Sweden, but he eventually builds an alliance with him by marrying him to his daughter. His other two daughters, who were supposed to marry Andrew I of Hungary and Henry I of France, marry other pagans within Scandinavia and Rus'. Andrew I instead marries a Byzantine princess (I don't know who yet), while Henry I marries Matilda of Franconia (brother of Holy Roman Emperor Heinrich III; died prematurely OTL). For convenience, they still have the same children they had in OTL—Andrew's intended heir Solomon is still betrothed to Heinrich IV's sister Judith (which Heinrich used in OTL to invade Hungary). This indirectly ties Hungary and France closer to the HRE and strengthens the remaining pagans of the former, though they are still converted in the end. Descendants of Yaroslav also intermarry with Cuman khans and other pagans in Lithuania and Scandinavia. Since Heinrich IV's consort Bertha of Savoy doesn't die (or rather he dies first), Heinrich doesn't end up remarrying to Eupraxia of Kyiv.

Yaroslav passes the throne to his son Isiaslav I, who decrees the first Rus' legal code like in OTL. At this point future knyazes become fully original because their mothers can no longer come from the Christian royal families on the continent. They continue centralization until Sbyslava is the undisputed ruler of all Rus'. She is the first to adopt the title of Tsar, following Harald Hardrada's example of claiming an imperial title. Her son Kirill (fathered by Friedrich the Glorious at some point before either of them take the throne), the last Christian Rurikid, seizes the throne in a coup backed by the remaining Christians of Kyiv. He attempts to restart the Christianization of Rus' that was delayed over the past 150 years, but pagan institutions are too entrenched by now, forcing him to look elsewhere for support. The Reich under Friedrich the Glorious was fine with maintaining the existing trade agreements with Sbyslava and her predecessors. Kirill now threatens to destabilize the whole country and interrupt the trade by forcing conversions and purging pagans, meaning he won't get the military intervention he was hoping for. After Friedrich's death, Kirill spies an opportunity to press his claim on the Roman throne and invade while Wilhelmina is still in regency, hoping to leverage the massive resources of the Reich to help him Christianize Rus' as not only a Roman province but a new center of the empire, just as the two Friedrichs made Germany into. Again, the support he anticipated from the nobles doesn't come, leaving him to fight a Roman army led by Saint Gunhilda, El Cid, Alexios Komnenos, and a young Wilhelmina. His death spells the final end of Rusian Christianity as a powerful political faction. His descendants are raised in pagan traditions, while the remaining Christians of Rus' migrate south into Roman Taurica.

Powerful Norse and Slavic pagan empires further reduces the pressure on Baltic and Finnic pagans to convert, naturally allowing Lithuania to centralize as a powerful militarized pagan kingdom and Finns fleeing Scandinavian expansion to migrate onto the steppes. Also, if I'm bringing Jochi to the western steppes as discussed before, that potentially means greater Buddhist influence in Eastern Europe. Yavdi might use Buddhism to bridge the gap between the syncretic Finnic and Slavic pantheons, the henotheistic/monotheistic cults of Zorya and Dazhbog, and Tengriism. The Rusians might incorporate some theological concepts if not the entire doctrine, while the Norse gradually turn away from militarism due to Buddhist influence. Ironically, the Norse and Rusians (through Cossacks) might spread (Vajrayana) Buddhism to Kanata, which would cause some confusion when they meet (Mahayana) Buddhists from Fusang. The northern pagans might adopt at least some Buddhist traditions out of opposition to Roman Christianity as an extension of Roman political power. Lithuania, while it tolerates these Buddhists, doesn't fully convert, since its military is strong enough to fight all of its enemies on even footing anyways.
 
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Okay, so I've hashed out Norse paganism. I'll keep the scenario for Lithuanian paganism as is for now because they were the longest surviving of the OTL European pagans (aside from the Sami). I'll address Rus' next. My current idea is changing the death of Sviatoslav. In OTL, the Byzantine emperor John Tzimiskes arranged for the Pechenegs to assassinate Sviatoslav in 972. Here he survives and comes to see the Byzantine Empire and Christianity as his enemies. To oppose them, he spends the rest of his reign centralizing power, shoring up and codifying pagan institutions, and suppressing the power of the other principalities. When news spreads of the Norse doing something similar, he decides to align closer with the pagans of Scandinavia and copies some of their ideas.

His son Vladimir (born legitimately and with his brothers predeceasing him at some point) is raised fully pagan and continues his OTL attempt to centralize and reform Slavic paganism. Six gods were prioritized above all: Perun, god of war and thunder and the head of the pantheon; Stribog, god of wealth; Dazhbog, god of the sun who would be brought east by the Mongols in later eras; Mat Zemlya, goddess of the earth syncretized with Finnic pagan deities (in OTL it was Mokosh, but as we have no concrete information on what she did, I don't want to talk about her); Simargl, inherited from the Persian Simurgh; and Zorya, goddess of the dawn who would also be brought east by the Mongols (I put her here because I couldn't find information on the last OTL god, Khors).

With his newly strengthened political and religious authority, Vladimir still assists Basil II's suppression of the rebellion by Bardas Sclerus and Bardas Phocas, but instead of asking to marry his sister Anna and promising to make Christianity the state religion, he demands that the Byzantine Empire cease attempts at converting Rus'. Nevertheless, he still incorporates many Byzantine legal institutions, urban planning, and the Cyrillic script into Rus' society as part of his reforms. This lays the groundwork for the later Roman-Rusian alliance, and Rus' eventually adopts the name "Rusia" due to this influence. Vladimir also continues his father's alignment with Scandinavia.

Vladimir doesn't marry as many wives as he did in OTL, since some of them were Christian and others don't have many reliable sources attesting to their existence or him being in their region at the time. He doesn't have as many sons. Reigning much longer than in OTL, he manages to standardize the succession into something approaching primogeniture, allowing him to choose the younger son Yaroslav over his more brutal older son Sviatopolk, who was disinherited for attempting to usurp the throne from him (this also prevents Yaroslav from becoming disappointed with his father and preparing for rebellion at the time of Vladimir's death). I'll let Vladimir live a few more years to solidify his rule more and get his reforms done. Sviatopolk attempts to rebel against Yaroslav after his death, claiming the throne because he is older, and Yaroslav relies heavily on the nobles and merchants of Novgorod, which he had ruled over as crown prince, to help him defeat Sviatopolk. After his victory, he grants Novgorod substantial autonomy and privileges, leading to the development of the Novgorod republic within Rus', while centralizing power elsewhere to prevent another Sviatopolk from emerging. Yaroslav also invests heavily in Rostov and the newly founded town of Yaroslavl, making them large northern urban centers in addition to Kyiv. He aligns with Olof Skötkonung of Sweden by marrying his daughter. Relations are strained when Harald Hardrada takes over Sweden, but he eventually builds an alliance with him by marrying him to his daughter. His other two daughters, who were supposed to marry Andrew I of Hungary and Henry I of France, marry other pagans within Scandinavia and Rus'. Andrew I instead marries a Byzantine princess (I don't know who yet), while Henry I marries Matilda of Franconia (brother of Holy Roman Emperor Heinrich III; died prematurely OTL). For convenience, they still have the same children they had in OTL—Andrew's intended heir Solomon is still betrothed to Heinrich IV's sister Judith (which Heinrich used in OTL to invade Hungary). This indirectly ties Hungary and France closer to the HRE and strengthens the remaining pagans of the former, though they are still converted in the end. Descendants of Yaroslav also intermarry with Cuman khans and other pagans in Lithuania and Scandinavia. Since Heinrich IV's consort Bertha of Savoy doesn't die (or rather he dies first), Heinrich doesn't end up remarrying to Eupraxia of Kyiv.

Yaroslav passes the throne to his son Isiaslav I, who decrees the first Rus' legal code like in OTL. At this point future knyazes become fully original because their mothers can no longer come from the Christian royal families on the continent. They continue centralization until Sbyslava is the undisputed ruler of all Rus'. She is the first to adopt the title of Tsar, following Harald Hardrada's example of claiming an imperial title. Her son Kirill (fathered by Friedrich the Glorious at some point before either of them take the throne), the last Christian Rurikid, seizes the throne in a coup backed by the remaining Christians of Kyiv. He attempts to restart the Christianization of Rus' that was delayed over the past 150 years, but pagan institutions are too entrenched by now, forcing him to look elsewhere for support. The Reich under Friedrich the Glorious was fine with maintaining the existing trade agreements with Sbyslava and her predecessors. Kirill now threatens to destabilize the whole country and interrupt the trade by forcing conversions and purging pagans, meaning he won't get the military intervention he was hoping for. After Friedrich's death, Kirill spies an opportunity to press his claim on the Roman throne and invade while Wilhelmina is still in regency, hoping to leverage the massive resources of the Reich to help him Christianize Rus' as not only a Roman province but a new center of the empire, just as the two Friedrichs made Germany into. Again, the support he anticipated from the nobles doesn't come, leaving him to fight a Roman army led by Saint Gunhilda, El Cid, Alexios Komnenos, and a young Wilhelmina. His death spells the final end of Rusian Christianity as a powerful political faction. His descendants are raised in pagan traditions, while the remaining Christians of Rus' migrate south into Roman Taurica.

Powerful Norse and Slavic pagan empires further reduces the pressure on Baltic and Finnic pagans to convert, naturally allowing Lithuania to centralize as a powerful militarized pagan kingdom and Finns fleeing Scandinavian expansion to migrate onto the steppes. Also, if I'm bringing Jochi to the western steppes as discussed before, that potentially means greater Buddhist influence in Eastern Europe. Yavdi might use Buddhism to bridge the gap between the syncretic Finnic and Slavic pantheons, the henotheistic/monotheistic cults of Zorya and Dazhbog, and Tengriism. The Rusians might incorporate some theological concepts if not the entire doctrine, while the Norse gradually turn away from militarism due to Buddhist influence. Ironically, the Norse and Rusians (through Cossacks) might spread (Vajrayana) Buddhism to Kanata, which would cause some confusion when they meet (Mahayana) Buddhists from Fusang. The northern pagans might adopt at least some Buddhist traditions out of opposition to Roman Christianity as an extension of Roman political power. Lithuania, while it tolerates these Buddhists, doesn't fully convert, since its military is strong enough to fight all of its enemies on even footing anyways.
I remember we discussed the Nahua/Mongol slave trade awhile ago, so I wonder if serfdom would catch on in Rusia like in OTL's Russia? Also since Rusia bent the knee to the Mongols peacefully, does that mean the Mongols would come to the aid of northern Rusian settlements being attacked by the Mexica?

Would these PM ideas still work in this scenario? I think above you implied Kirill was older than Saint Wilhelmina, which suggests an extramarital affair before or during Fredrich's marriage to Konstantina and Wilhelmina's birth in 1110. Also since you suggested Sbyslava dying during the Perm crusade (I think the name can stay if its based on the site of the crusade's defeat like the Varna crusade), I could see the crusader lords propping up Kirill and the remaining Christian Rusians until the defeat of the former leaves the latter alone alone.
CaptainAlvious said:
Speaking of the Perm/Rus' crusade, since you brought up the idea of deleting Fredrich the Glorious' second wife Shoukouh, maybe it would be more interesting if Fredrich actually marries Sbyslava after Konstantina's death, only for the marriage to be annulled due to the crusade. I think it would also be interesting if Kirill and Wihelmina were close growing up, but eventually rifted apart due to Fredrich formally investing Wihelmina as heir.
zenphoenix said:
That might be a good idea, since it would remove the stigma and lack of political legitimacy from Kirill being a child born out of wedlock. Perhaps Sbyslava married Friedrich back when she was just one princess among many royal heirs of her family, only for circumstances to make her the leader of all Rus'. There would be efforts to use this marriage as a way to bring Rus' into the Reich and Christianity to the Rusians via Kirill, but the plans break down when Sbyslava dies at some point (probably during the Rus' crusade, maybe on the Worm Cult's orders), Friedrich marries Gunhilda, Wilhelmina is named as heir due to the Roman nobles rather having a woman over a Rusian as Kaiser, and Rus' breaks away onto its own under Kirill. Kirill attempts to continue the integration of Rus' and the Reich by invading the Reich and pressing his claim to the throne, but his death puts a permanent end to that.
Btw, what would the Grand Canyon be called in Fusang?
 
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