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I have to admit I think of Georgie as the least likable, least bestowed with personality, of the whole brood.

I sense a growing alliance between Warwick and Georgie. And if course Warwick has gone from being one of my favorite characters to a potential powder keg and agent of chaos.

Some may see that as a good thing, because they don't like Richard. But I still have hope for him. Which means I worry about these two ..

Glad to see you and this story back @coz1!

Rensslaer
 
Georgie is lost and vulnerable and Warwick, the sly devil, is playing on that. I see some fireworks in the future.

Welcome back, Al. Another great installment.
 
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Edward allowed a smile, “Then just be truthful...papa. What is it that you want?”

The obvious answer...will York be truthful to himself?
“Perhaps...” Margaret smiled to him, “...another will present. When all else are gone...having killed one another as it appears they so wish to do...a true patron of this realm will show and provide.”

Shiver...someone else sees clearly where York will not...
“I mean not him,” Margaret answered, “I mean the King. I was sold, as if a lamb gone to slaughter. And yet Edmund did say a thing...a thing of which I did know at the time but did not wish to care about. Our...coupling...did provide for me. I shall never forget my shame of those days...yet I am not ashamed of it now. For there to the settle is my future. As you hold yourself a Queen in your line, I am the progeny of the Kings of England. However it may be said, that boy there holds royal blood. And if these today wish to bicker unto to death, I would allow it. Nay...desire it. For in the after, sir...Jasper...I think it a better future. For me...for you...and most assuredly for my Henry.”

Woah...

A substantially correct assessment of what will benefit Margaret...best keep this woman from court or power if you want the status quo...for she desires the ladder of chaos...
 
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I must disagree with young Renss, I find it in myself to like both Warwick and Richard. Both have their faults and have certainly made mistakes (and been infuriating at times) but I am mostly sad that they are at odds. Though I concede given Richard's inflexibility some kind of clash is coming, I just don't think it is entirely Warwick's fault.

On which note I do like this Warwick, something of a return to form rather than the ham fisted idiot of previous chapters. I realise that out-witting a frustrated 17 year old is not exactly the most challenging of tasks, but he handled that very well and led George by the nose to where he wanted without overtly showing his hand.

I think I also have to defend George, if he is repeatedly denied the opportunity to do anything how can he show off any skill or ability? Naming him Lord Lieutenant of Ireland was particularly stupid, obviously you aren't going to let him actually exercise that power so all you do is taunt him. I can understand not wanting to risk him in a war, but give him something to do rather than organising parties in Wales. Even if turns out he is as talentless as his detractors claim the experience of cocking something up would be good for him and he would no longer feel ignored, which is probably his biggest and most justified complaint.
 
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Yes,” Queen Margaret showed ill temper, “You should pray, husband. See your soul cleansed and we shall see to the after.”

Henry shuffled back through the den of corpses and gave nod, “I think to pray all night.”

The King completely refuses to rule, by choice.

Interesting. Was there ever any provisions for dealing with Kings that self abdicate like this?

I imagine not...
For God's sake, even the Kings side thing they should stop supporting the queen. What on earth are they going to do if they end up winning this? Arrest her?
I assume enjoy the spoils dispensed by Margaret for being on the winning side, and continuing the Game of Thrones...
 
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Folks, I have a lot "in the can" to post but I have found writing of late very difficult. On Sunday March 26th, my best friend committed suicide just two years after my very best friend and considered brother (had known him since we were 12) died at home of an alcohol related death (so I was told.) I am not in a great place. I had hoped that as I continued to post what I had would assist in this pain so that we could at least share this story together but I am not seeing very many comments in relation to the actual story itself. I would have thought the battle of Blore Heath at least a conversation starter but it seems to me very quiet. Three comments (two by the same member) since I posted the latest update and start of the new chapter.

So...if you want more of this story, let me know.

:'(

My condolences.
Sometimes I think it's the best stuff I've ever written and sometimes I fear it's just rubbish. Typical, right?

Indeed.

It is very hard to view your own writings objectively.
“London, sirs!” Warwick exclaimed, “He who controls that, controls the realm. The very kingdom. It is the key that unlocks. The masses...they will tell the tale. From manifestos to broadsheets...they will call out for what is safe. Nay! Desired! We’ve been going round this the wrong way the entire time. Spending time defending a weak King when they request...demand...a strong one. They do not wish a Queen, nor especially a French one. They wish...A King! A real one that would protect their interests and every one of us, our livelihoods.”

Yup.
Margaret is fighting the French way, to win over the nobles...Warwick is thinking differently.
 
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Edward stood tall, “It has gotten the better of you a few times, as memory suggests! Is she better than I? Does she do things that I cannot?!”

Uhrm...well, yes...she can...
“She will be your undoing,” Edward replied softly as he held an embrace.

Henry held it too, “Then I am to be undone.”

The young Earl squeezed tighter, “I’ll not fight you, Harry!”

Somerset pulled away only to gently kiss Edward again and then said, “Yes...you will.”

Ah, young lovers...Somerset is even more the fool than his father ever was.
 
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I assume enjoy the spoils dispensed by Margaret for being on the winning side, and continuing the Game of Thrones...

We'll be asking the question of what are they thinking? In regards to supporting the Queen, for the next year and a half.
 
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The others allowed a simple nod and the Queen looked to them all with a great grin, “My Lords, we have met the foe and he is unwilling and weak. You have all done well and shall be rewarded for your bravery and loyalty. And as I said...those that were not? They will pay. I will make certain of it!”

Well, Margaret seems to at least be playing the game in full now.

Poorly, for not catching any of the leaders is a poor victory...but at least she is playing the game.
 
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“Not that way, at the least,” Margaret smirked as she turned away.

Burn! :D
“Why would you make me choose?” he asked plaintively.

No, not another weak simpleton!

“Very well,” Henry stood taller in his nakedness with pride and no shame, “I wonder who that might be? The coward Wiltshire? A known rake like Exeter? Would you associate in excess with the Lords in the north and alienate the south more than you already have done? Tell me, my Lady...who else may be trusted more than I to Council that would do any part of your bidding?”

Oh...ah ha! Very nice play...pretending to be the simpleton...then delivering a beautiful burn shot to try to influence the queen.

Somerset replied easily, “I may only hope to console him at such moment and provide for him the protection that I am sure that he would provide to me.”

“Are you so certain?” she questioned again.

“No...” he replied, “...yet I must try. If I may be allowed.”

Still naive though...he cannot seriously be trusting Margaret to allow this...he of all people should know that the death of the father will sour the son...

The good part of writing again is...I am writing again! The bad part (if it is such) is that I am now outpacing too much what is posted. I've just finished writing Chapter 17 and the above is only the start of Chapter 15. Thus, to the chagrin of those that struggle to keep up, I am going to move to a twice a week posting schedule going forward. I won't schedule specific days (unless that helps the readership) but I'd like to keep going and don't want to get too far ahead. Forewarned is forearmed.

Heh.

I will say that it is very much easier to pace things when you have no readers at all.

I took count today and noted that I have posted 22 chapters (admittedly much shorter than yours) in the last 49 days...astonishing to think of how amazing things go when you are in the zone and inspired.

“No, sir!” Richard forcefully turned his son’s head, “You will watch.”

Indeed. Becoming King and keeping it, is a nasty business.
 
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I've hit a part in the writing that I've been waiting for - always in the distance and now finally here. It's exciting.

Me too...it's hard to try not to just drive ahead and finish part 1, because I'm very excited to get there...

“Your Grace...” Buckingham calmly responded, “...actions have been done that may not be undone. You hold subjects that will not yield. Not to you or anyone.”

So much for Buckingham the peacemaker...that's straight out war mongering...as the only subject that will not yield is Margaret...but he is right that we are past the point of no return.
“No, sir!” Henry stood and pulled away, “I am beset on all sides and I think him the least of my

York is, or at least should be, Henry's focus...his wife has thoroughly tied her cause to Henry. Survival now depends on Margaret winning.
 
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and when word got back to the Council they began to understand the people’s loyalty and where it lay.

Will they?

This is a Council well practiced in the art of closing their eyes and ears to uncomfortable truths...
 
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She placed both hands to her hips and was certain, “Then you shall fail and I, for one, should not weep at such prospect.”

Exeter did not turn in his reply, “I would expect no less.”

Ouch. Exeter pretty much admitting that he is shutting Anne out...expecting her inputs to not be in good faith, etc.

Not a wise move at all. He doesn't even consider trying to use Anne's relationship with York to enable him to make different or better choices.

What is the point of dynastic alliances if you refuse to make use of them?

Tragic, IMO.
 
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woman...a putain so called by these men that will lose their heads when I hold my way...so how is it that I have more mind about me than all of you combined?!”

Because you intentionally chose a bunch of simpletons to manipulate...

You can't have it both ways, Fancy...
“That is good,” Edward replied, “So let us be clear. I will go with you. Yet only if we are true to our goal and not some other. If it is to be some other, then we are wasting our time and deserving of being in exile.”

Mother Cecily has taught this boy well...
 
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The Duke lowered his head once more, “I am not the cousin that you require, Your Grace. I am your liege man in every way, but you wish answer to a question that I cannot give to you.”

Ugh. The King all but asks for help, and you refuse?

THIS IS NOT LOYALTY. It is NOT honorable.

Read this old fool Greenwald's speech at the end of the Caine Mutiny.

If Buckingham were actually loyal, he would be counseling the king to act to reign in his wife and her counselors, to take charge of the army and go defend the realm. To FORCEFULLY make peace.

But instead, he merely aids the King in not ruling...

Ugh.
could not see Buckingham acting on his own. This 1st Duke of Buckingham is honorable perhaps to a fault.

As above, what he is doing is NOT honorable.

Buckingham is just as culpable, if not more so, for what is about to happen as Fancy.
 
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And as I said to Renss, thank you so much for the compliment. My writing style is informed by my theatre background (as I'm sure I've mentioned before) and in many ways, I write these stories more as plays or a screenplay rather than a novel. I think in theatrical/film terms so when I am envisioning a scene whether action or a walk and talk (or parlor scene if you will) I am visualizing watching it. I'm not sure it reads that way, but that is how I come up with the action (or lack thereof.) And indeed, the characters are key to that. They are actors in my play and I always want their motivations to show as best as I can without hammering it over the readers head.

Interesting. This is also my process for writing these days...the scene plays out in my head, and I write it down.

As an actor, we would do what is called a "beat analysis" in which we would go through our scripts and make notes within the dialogue (or action direction) and mark every beat shift or change. Why? What was the motivation? Is what he/she is saying really what they mean? Does it match what they do and if not why? What causes the shift and does the next shift follow or not and why? Once you get that out of the way early in studying your character (and finally get off book) the actions during the play appear more natural because that is what we as human beings do. We may not realize it, but everything we do has a motivation. I'm hungry. I'm tired. I want to have sex. I want the crown. I always hope that any of these characters appear very much that way and especially appreciate it when someone points it out. So thank you!

Now, this is potentially a tool to pick at for me. Currently, I'll write different versions of the 'vision' of how the scene goes...and rewrite or add as necessary where I identify beat changes.

The idea of systematically going about it could have merit...
 
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George is very middle child. And unfortuamntly, does indeed appear to be unremarkble, unskilled and somewhat stupid. Then again, he is 17 and looking for any kind of attention he can get.

Warwick on the other hand seems determined to irritate the King and Queen no matter how small or petty an act.

I suppose the Prince and Lady will be found in bed together by a 'shocked' audience, and thus have to marry.
Part the reason that I wanted to write this as I have done is to look at these years between the Yorkist victory and the OTL second phase. What happened during these years and why was OTL the Shakespearean version? Well, we know that. :) But what were these characters doing what they did which is not often covered and why? George is indeed a middle child and shows much of what middle children do at times as part of rich and powerful families.

I have been reflecting to my astonishment when writing recently that nearly every truly impactful thing we ever do is done for and on behalf of someone else. Almost nothing we do for ourselves is actually that significant. But what we do for others...that is perceived in a much different and higher light...perhaps because 'doing for others' is so unnatural to us.
I am a huge believer in the Jackie Robinson quote, "A life is not important other than the impact it has on other lives."

King Richard needs to meet a certain Wallachian prince to learn a trick or two about how to deal with unruly noblemen.
He's not going to drink their blood milkshake. ;)

Warwick continues to be an issue. This alliance could be an issue. Would it be such a shame if the heir were to have an... accident? Is Warwick that subtle?
He will continue to be an issue. He wants so much.

Nooo...you were doing so well Harry...

Sigh.

This particular relationship is going to end in tears, of some sort or another.

You have no idea…
Hahahahahaah! Don't spoil it, @Historywhiz! :p

I have to admit I think of Georgie as the least likable, least bestowed with personality, of the whole brood.

I sense a growing alliance between Warwick and Georgie. And if course Warwick has gone from being one of my favorite characters to a potential powder keg and agent of chaos.

Some may see that as a good thing, because they don't like Richard. But I still have hope for him. Which means I worry about these two ..

Glad to see you and this story back @coz1!

Rensslaer
"Least bestowed with personality" is likely my fault. I really have not had much chance to build him out as a character. He has been young, so it was easier earlier. But now that he is in his late teens, he would have to be an important figure. I hope to rectify that in the coming chapters.

Georgie is lost and vulnerable and Warwick, the sly devil, is playing on that. I see some fireworks in the future.

Welcome back, Al. Another great installment.
A perfect match. ;)

I must disagree with young Renss, I find it in myself to like both Warwick and Richard. Both have their faults and have certainly made mistakes (and been infuriating at times) but I am mostly sad that they are at odds. Though I concede given Richard's inflexibility some kind of clash is coming, I just don't think it is entirely Warwick's fault.

On which note I do like this Warwick, something of a return to form rather than the ham fisted idiot of previous chapters. I realise that out-witting a frustrated 17 year old is not exactly the most challenging of tasks, but he handled that very well and led George by the nose to where he wanted without overtly showing his hand.

I think I also have to defend George, if he is repeatedly denied the opportunity to do anything how can he show off any skill or ability? Naming him Lord Lieutenant of Ireland was particularly stupid, obviously you aren't going to let him actually exercise that power so all you do is taunt him. I can understand not wanting to risk him in a war, but give him something to do rather than organising parties in Wales. Even if turns out he is as talentless as his detractors claim the experience of cocking something up would be good for him and he would no longer feel ignored, which is probably his biggest and most justified complaint.
The breaking down between them is due to both of their flaws. The more interesting people to write about are those that have them in spades but have no clue about it.

I took count today and noted that I have posted 22 chapters (admittedly much shorter than yours) in the last 49 days...astonishing to think of how amazing things go when you are in the zone and inspired.
It most certainly is and all I can say is, keep at it!! When you're in the groove, you go with it!! :D

Buckingham is just as culpable, if not more so, for what is about to happen as Fancy.
You make a very good argument as regards Buckingham, but I mostly highlight this comment because it appears you have been influenced by @Midnite Duke and his great distaste for Margaret of Anjou (admittedly not a difficult prospect.) And yet he hates Cecily too!! :eek:

Now, this is potentially a tool to pick at for me. Currently, I'll write different versions of the 'vision' of how the scene goes...and rewrite or add as necessary where I identify beat changes.

The idea of systematically going about it could have merit...
I think beat analysis works better as an actor rather than as writer. In many ways, the practice is done to better understand the meaning of the piece. What did the author have in mind when he wrote it? It also assists in finding a more natural interaction between the actors. Yet it can be done. However, as writers I think we already do that instinctively while writing the characters. We know what we want them to do. It's just how we get them to do it...and then they go off book! And that's when the fun starts! ;)


To all - I am hoping to get some writing done soon, but the new puppy and work has kept me well busy. Thank you to those that caught the last scene and surely thank you to @TheExecuter for not only reading through the work but some excellent comments along the way. I wish I could answer all of them individually, but I fear I might ruin something coming up. You are halfway there...until I start writing again. ;)
 
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One of the big things that held England back for so long in the Middle Ages was the ruling Norman/Plantagenet nobles burning a great deal of the treasure on war in France rather than in the kingdom itself, leading to a notable gap in development and investment before and after the Norman/Plantagenet/'we are the kings of France' period.

When the 100 years war finally stops (wherever you think that ends), both France and England rather rapidly become far wealthier, stronger and more centralised again, and go on to dominate, annex and consume all their close neighbours to form their 'natural' nation state borders that they then held for much of the rest of their history.

In this timeline, whilst England is 'stronger' in that the government and Crown is in a much better place than OTL, and they have a vastly better grasp on France, the same issue of feudal nobles acting like feudal nobles and trying to get family lands in France rather than being stuck in England continues. The nobility being large, wealthy, independently militarised and spread out across two different kingdoms isn't great for future prospects. Of course, if somehow the monarchs do conquer most of France and do a deal with the Burgundians who get the rest, and then try to formalise the union...that solves a few problems and makes quite a few more...but it would be interesting.
 
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“I am on your side, my Lord of Warwick...” the Duke of Norfolk smiled to him, “...when you win.”

A man who doesn't need spoils from a win can afford to wait to jump to the winning side...

The Duke held his smile, “That is just it, sir. It is my son making his name. That is why he should marry La Princesa. I tell you that he will be King. I will make it so.”

Will York make him King by taking the throne himself or just directly make him King...that would definitely be a change from OTL...

Bishop Booth bowed his head, “Though it be summer, my Lady Queen...you could be looking at a very long winter.”

“Or it could be a beautiful spring,” Margaret smiled to him, “Which is why I should need the best about me. The moment that you gain word from the Lord of Somerset, he is to come to me. With all haste.”

...and Margaret realizes that Henry is going to lose and so makes her own plans...playing the long game.

Interesting.

And now, coz1 promises action... :)
 
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