Tinto Maps #12 Germany Feedback

[ibvfteh]

There are some adjustments to the cultures, but not big changes.

I think there were a lot of questions for Angrian and Markish/Brandenburgish (there should be only one of them).

In what way they have been addressed?

Many people argue it is an incorrect division

 

[Tavolo87]

sooo

given that even Germany got + 40 locations, any chances about a feedback - feedback of Italy and France?

 

[matfer13]

Since you guys seem so keen on having Markish and Brandeburgish be two separate cultures could you do that for Emilian and Romagnol too?

 

[mekhaanempire]

How about population? The previous map of germany has a lot of issues with that

 

[matfer13]

I know it's accurate but should Mergentheim really be directly owned by Teutons? The order isn't part of the HRE and their capital is very far so they probably don't have any control, like I said in the past for Philadelpia in Anatolia, wouldn't it better to make it into a vassal?

 

[nyetflix2]

Disappointed that Czech culture hasn't been renamed to Bohemian, what with Moravian being split off. Doesn't Czech cover both Bohemia and Moravia?

 

[Palando]

Why does the bishopric of Brandenburg own the namesake city? It should be the capital of the Mragraviate while the bishop had his residence in Ziesar which should be split

I suppose they didn't like the shape I proposed previously for Ziesar . The Bishopric really had an odd shape.

 

[bokorthedust]

Flatland - plateau is totally indistinguishable for me (probably a color blind thing once again? ).
Is Plateau green now?

It's a sorta yellowish-green now, but even as a non-colorblind person it's hard to see the transition.

 

[matfer13]

Is Lusatia in a PU with Brandenburg? On wikipedia it says they are crown lands in 1337

 

[Birchinjaro]

Maybe it's not as bad as it looks but doesn't the Location density between Germany and Bohemia seem a bit harsh?

 

[Zarnek]

Can't see any honeywax in the Raw goods map.
Didn't they mention that they added it as a raw good in several post before?
Maybe it's actually a manufactured good now?

 

[Kotyk-durkotyk]

A bunch of changes after your feedback, especially on the Vegetation.

According to scientific data, the northern German lands had around 30% – 60% forestation in 1500, that also corresponds to pre-Black-Death XIV century (because of reforestation after the plague).

I have a feeling that all that large northern German grassland area is not particularly right. Even in the mid-XIX century there were fore forests than on your map:

Image from The prehistoric and preindustrial deforestation of Europe (Kaplan et al., 2009)

 

[magmachimera]

Unless you have chaned it since, you have in fact shown the natural harbors of Europe before.

I was wondering whether you may have some maps for the low countries like the population per location since that map was shown last time in may last year. Since then we have only been able to see the updates to the region via the germany tinto maps and could see from there that the population per country had massively changed. We have also not been able to see what changes flanders has undergone because it was always just off the map.

Lastly, I can really see why you were unsure about leaving the low countries with it's own market center. In the market/trade tinto talk it was completely absorbed by london, then later in the germany tinto maps the brugge market reached all the way to bremen and now it's completely shriveled up again due to this encroachment from Cologne.

 

[matfer13]

The Hansa has a very similar colour to Denmark caould you change it to something different like white please?

 

[nyetflix2]

And it's still weird to see (Greater) Polish culture in the lands of Brandenburg, shouldn't it be some other non-Polish West Slavic culture instead?

 

[matfer13]

People who are still waiting for the British isles feedback

 

[ibvfteh]

Areas:

why areas were not devided by Reichskreis? Upper Rhine is an extremely strange area for me. Swabia not including Stuttgart is strange.

 

[Tissaia]

whats this location name, should be Wolin
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@Pavía

Looks like Świnoujście to me.

 

[Polesie Admiral]

Why does the bishopric of Brandenburg own the namesake city? It should be the capital of the Mragraviate while the bishop had his residence in Ziesar which should be split

also they decided to not include the free city of Cologne in the end

 

[ibvfteh]

Hello, and welcome to another Tinto Maps Feedback post! Today we will look at the review of Germany, or to be more precise, the remaining lands of the HRE that were not covered in previous updates. Let's look first at the list of changes:

Spoiler: LIST OF CHANGES

ADDITIONS

Added the following:

• Locations (46 + 5 Lakes + several Wastelands)
  • Achim
  • Annaburg
  • Aschendorf
  • Baden im Aargau
  • Beichlingen
  • Bochum
  • Bonndorf
  • Bremervörde
  • Bützow
  • Delmenhorst
  • Disentis
  • Ebstorf
  • Erbach
  • Freyburg
  • Fürstenberg
  • Gotha
  • Heiligenhafen
  • Helfenstein
  • Illereichen
  • Immenstadt
  • Isenhagen
  • La Roche-sur-Foron
  • Landau
  • Lüchow
  • Malchow
  • Marienstern
  • Meinersen
  • Meisenheim
  • Neustadt an der Haardt
  • Ohrdruf
  • Oppenheim
  • Pinneberg
  • Pritzwalk
  • Sallanches
  • Saulgau
  • Solingen
  • Stockach
  • Toggenburg
  • Třeboň
  • Treuenbrietzen
  • Wertingen
  • Winsen an der Aller
  • Wittenberge
  • Wolhusen
  • Wurzen
  • Zossen
• Lakes
  • Lake Chiemsee
  • Lake Lucerne
  • Lake Müritz
  • Lake Starnberg
  • Lake Zürich
• Wastelands
  • Divided many Wastelands in more pieces.
• TAGs (52)
  • Aosta
  • Beeskow-Starkow
  • Beichlingen
  • Belmont (Switzerland)
  • Brandenburg (Bishopric)
  • Colmar (Free City)
  • Disentis
  • Ellwangen
  • Everstein
  • Falkenstein
  • Fürstenberg
  • Gleichen
  • God's House League
  • Grey League
  • Gruyère
  • Gurk
  • Hachberg (Baden)
  • Haguenau
  • Heidenheim
  • Helfenstein
  • Hohenzollern
  • Holstein Pinneberg
  • Jever
  • Kirchberg
  • Landau
  • Lebus (Bishopric)
  • Lichtenberg
  • Manderscheid
  • Meissen (Bishopric)
  • Mesocco
  • Mulhouse (Free City)
  • Murbach
  • Nassau Dillenburg
  • Nassau Idstein
  • Nassau Siegen
  • Nassau Weilburg
  • Nellenburg
  • Nidda
  • Pfalz Simmern Zweibrücken
  • Riedesel
  • Rietberg
  • Saarwerden
  • Sausenberg
  • Strasbourg (Free City)
  • Toggenburg
  • Truhendingen
  • Tübingen
  • Veldenz
  • Waldeck
  • Wernigerode
  • Wied
• Characters
  • bdb_ludwig_schenk_von_neindorf (Bishopric of Brandenburg)
  • bhl_friedrich_von_beichlingen
  • bhl_friedrich_von_bleichlingen (Count of Bleichlingen)
  • blb_stefan_ii (Bishopric of Lebus)
  • bms_withego_ii_colditz (Bishopric of Meissen)
  • gln_albrecht_ii
  • gln_albrecht_iii
  • gln_ernst_i
  • gln_ernst_ii
  • gln_ernst_iii
  • gln_ernst_iv
  • gln_ernst_v
  • gln_erwin_i
  • gln_erwin_ii
  • gln_heinrich_i
  • gln_heinrich_iii
  • gln_heinrich_iv
  • gln_herrmann_iv
  • gln_lambert_i
  • gln_lambert_ii
  • gry_agnes_de_gruyere
  • gry_catherine_de_la_tour_chatillon
  • gry_jean_de_montsalvens
  • gry_pierre_i_de_gruyere
  • gry_pierre_ii_de_gruyere
  • gry_pierre_iii_de_gruyere
  • gry_pierre_iv_de_gruyere
  • gry_rodolphe_i_de_gruyere
  • gry_ulrich_de_gruyere
  • lic_johann_i_von_lichtenberg
  • lic_johann_ii_von_lichtenberg
  • lic_ludwig_i_von_lichtenberg
  • lic_ludwig_ii_von_lichtenberg
  • lic_ludwig_iv_von_lichtenberg
  • lic_verena_von_freiburg
  • mds_adelheid_von_fischbach
  • mds_agnes_von_manderscheid
  • mds_gertrud_von_virneburg
  • mds_jutta_von_reuland
  • mds_wilhelm_i_von_manderscheid
  • mds_wilhelm_ii_von_manderscheid
  • mds_wilhelm_iii_von_manderscheid
  • mds_wilhelm_iv_von_manderscheid
  • nid_engelbert_i
  • nid_heilwig_von_isenburg
  • nid_ludwig_ii
  • nid_lukardis
  • nsa_henry_ii_nassau
  • nsa_otto_i_nassau
  • nsd_johann_i_nassau
  • nss_henry_i_nassau
  • nss_otto_ii_nassau
  • rbg_friedrich_i_von_rietberg
  • rbg_heinrich_i_von_rietberg
  • rbg_konrad_i_von_rietberg
  • rdl_elisabeth_von_eisenbach
  • rdl_hermann_i_riedesel
  • rdl_hermann_ii_riedesel
  • rdl_kraft_i_riedesel
  • tgg_adelheid_von_griessenberg
  • tgg_daughter1_von_toggenburg
  • tgg_daughter2_von_toggenburg
  • tgg_daughter3_von_toggenburg
  • tgg_diethelm_i_von_toggenburg
  • tgg_diethelm_ii_von_toggenburg
  • tgg_diethelm_v_von_toggenburg
  • vel_agnes_von_leiningen
  • vel_agnes_von_veldenz
  • vel_emicho_von_kyrburg
  • vel_georg_i_von_veldenz
  • vel_gerlach_i_von_veldenz
  • vel_gerlach_ii_von_veldenz
  • vel_gerlach_iii_von_veldenz
  • vel_gerlach_iv_von_veldenz
  • vel_gerlach_v_von_veldenz
  • vel_heinrich_ii_von_veldenz
  • vel_heinrich_von_geroldseck
  • vel_walter_von_geroldseck
  • wde_adelaide_von_kleve
  • wde_adolph_i_von_waldeck
  • wde_adolph_ii_von_waldeck
  • wde_armgard_von_waldeck
  • wde_dietrich_von_waldeck
  • wde_elisabeth_von_waldeck
  • wde_henry_iii_von_waldeck
  • wde_henry_iv_von_waldeck
  • wde_henry_v_von_waldeck
  • wde_mechthild_von_waldeck
  • wde_otto_i_von_waldeck
  • wde_otto_ii_von_waldeck
  • wgo_albrecht_v_von_wernigerode
  • wgo_gebhard_i_von_wernigerode
  • wgo_helene_von_braunschweig
  • wgo_konrad_i_von_wernigerode
  • wgo_konrad_ii_von_wernigerode
  • wgo_konrad_iii_von_wernigerode
  • wgo_konrad_iv_von_wernigerode
• Dynamic Names
  • Added Czech, German (including Lower, Central and Upper), Polabian, Rhaetian (Friulian, Ladin and Romansh) and Sorbian Dynamic Names

CORRECTIONS

Renamed the following:

• Locations (only corrections. Additionally renamed all locations to standardized form):
  • Aalen to Ellwangen
  • Aschersleben to Ballenstedt
  • Bad Hofgastein to Bischofshofen
  • Beckum to Rietberg
  • Bernkastel to Birkenfeld
  • Biedenkopf to Friedberg
  • Bílina to Husinec
  • Böblingen to Tübingen
  • Braunlage to Herzberg am Harz
  • Bruck an der Mür to Kapfenberg
  • Bulle to Gruyère
  • Coesfeld to Horstmar
  • Deggendorf to Kelheim
  • Dermbach to Aschach
  • Donauwörth to Oettingen
  • Ebermannstadt to Schesslitz
  • Erlangen to Sulzbach
  • Fritzlar to Melsungen
  • Fürth to Nagold
  • Genthin to Jerichow
  • Grafendorf to Waidhofen
  • Greifenstein to Davos
  • Gronau to Gandersheim
  • Guardaval to Zuoz
  • Ilmenau to Schleusingen
  • Imst to Landneck
  • Kadaň to Teplá
  • Kaufbeuren to Krumbach
  • Langenthal to Burgdorf
  • Lambach to Ischl
  • Lüdinghausen to Dulmen
  • Mariazell to Scheibbs
  • Montabaur to Wied
  • Münsingen to Sigmaringen
  • Olpe to Attendorn
  • Pfarrkirchen to Griesbach
  • Rees to Wesel
  • Rüdesheim to Katzenelnbogen
  • St. Wendel to Lichtenberg
  • Schotten to Nidda
  • Schwarzenberg to Sayda
  • Sonneberg to Saalfeld
  • Steinfurt to Rheine
  • Tábor to Jindřichův Hradec
  • Tuttlingen to Hohenberg
  • Vall d'Ossola to Domodossola
  • Vilsbiburg to Burghausen
  • Vohenstrauß to Leuchtenberg
  • Wangen to Waldburg
  • Westerstede to Friesoythe
  • Zug to Kyburg

TAGs

• Removed (18)
  • Apolda
  • Biel/Bienne
  • Böbingen
  • Brückenau
  • Calw
  • Donauwörth
  • Eppstein
  • Hof
  • Kaufbeuren
  • Kevernburg
  • Lüdinghausen
  • Minden
  • Offenbach
  • Parsberg
  • Schlusselberg
  • Steinfurt
  • Wangen
  • Zeven

Raw Goods

• Changed several Raw Goods as suggested

Terrain and Vegetation

• Total Review

Locations

• Redrew several Locations

And now, to the maps!

Countries:
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The first map with no colored wastelands, the second with colored wastelands, and the third, we are showing the entire territory of the HRE, not only Germany.

HRE IO:
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This is the updated HRE IO map, with the different categories (Prince-Elector & Archbishop-Elector, Imperial Peasant Republic, Free Imperial City, Imperial Prelate, and Imperial Prince). As usual, take the map mode as WIP (you may notice that it has already changed since the original Tinto Maps post, making it easier to read).

And here you have the current total number of members:

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Not all the countries appear in this box, you have to scroll a bit in-game to be able to see the remaining ones.​

Locations:
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Provinces:
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One of our German content designers has reworked the provinces. We've tried to get a balance between those that could directly translate to English, such as the different provinces of Styria, and those that couldn't be translated easily; so for a native German speaker, some will sound a bit weird, but we've tried to be consistent with how we manage it in general.

Areas:
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Terrain:
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A bunch of changes after your feedback, especially on the Vegetation.

Development:
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Harbors:
I've noticed while preparing the Feedback post that we haven't posted the Natural Harbors of Europe, so I'll prepare another separate for them!

Cultures:
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There are some adjustments to the cultures, but not big changes.

Languages:
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The first map is the dominant languages, the second is the dialects (which, I remind you, is primarily used for flavour, and close to the 'language' linguistical definition), and the third is the court language.

Religions:
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Not many changes in the religious map, only a few Waldensians were added to Austria.

Raw Materials:
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Lots of changes!

Markets:
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We haven't changed the market centers, you may notice some differences with the Tinto Maps post, which depend on the constant balancing we keep doing to this feature.

And that's all for today! Remember that on Friday we will be taking a look at a German country, Bavaria. Cheers!

is this exclave of High Alemanic deliberate?