Wait, can someone tell me why does the tag of Djerid not own the namesake province?
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And piggy backing off of this, and again, up to dev discretion for harbors, but Agadir and Safi (Tit?) could be considered bays as well as Oran (Wehran) and maybe Bijaya, Annabah, and Bizerte. Not great harbors, but it would flesh out the North Africa region quite a bit more.
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Looking at the map of Arabia, one big inaccuracy I think was missed is that the Bani Yas tribal confederacy should not exist yet in 1337. In actuality this was not formed until the late 17th Century and these provinces should be empty.
What today is the United Arab Emirates in 1337 was partly controlled by the Kingdom of Hormuz but otherwise was divided between smaller tribes. No large tribal confederacy existed here. The successor to the Jarwanids, the Jabrids would subjugate the region later on around the year 1450. Until then though it seems that there was no tribe with definitive control over the whole region.
Pavia, on the maps from yesterday showing seaplanes, could you please confirm the direction of those in the Atlantic like you did for the pacific ones? Also, do the colour of the sea-tiles have any meaning?
Can we get a spoiler of which nation will be opening the TFs? Pretty please?
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Agreed, eastern Amazigh probably better name given that I can't find a consistent way to refer to the cultures and languages in question as anything other than Eastern Berber. It could theoretically be split into Ghadames, Awjilah, and Oasis Amazigh (Siwa & Sokna) and then have the rest be given to Zenati on a relatedness basis, but I feel as though that is not a sufficient solution as it ignores the aerial contact and the convergent evolution of the eastern Amazigh groups. So yeah, eastern Amazigh is better, especially for internal consistency.
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Thanks for yall's efforts!
Yet I'm very confused by the "cold arid"-assignment in the Maghreb region, since "cold arid" means icy cold, which definitely can only apply to the Sahara Dessert at night and cold months.
For example, the coldest region during winter time in Morocco is definitely the region around Tangier, Tetouan, Rabat and slighty Al Hoceima. But these times are by far not cold enough to be declared as "cold arid". I think we can agree on the fact that the region of The Great Horde is by far colder than the one in the Maghreb, yet both got declared as "cold arid"?
The Rif-Region is primarly declared as "cold arid", yet I think it should be, like in EU4, be Dryland with warm climate since this how it is literally in real life, so Mediterranean would be way more accurate, since only smaller regions within the Rif-Region are arid (characteristics of coastal regions).
Similar to Tunis, there is way too much "cold arid" environment.
In the northern bits of Morocco (especially Rif-Region --> north-east Morocco) should be more wheat distributed. Even people from French came to Morocco to buy out all fertile land because they knew how fertile these lands were, which made it very hard for local farmers to keep their sovereignty. Also, before the Rif-Wars (1921-1926) the lands were very fertile, but since then after the spanish used extremely toxic gases (highest amount used in a small area known in modern history) to enforce their demands the ground got contaminated and infertile.
The distribution is a minor aspect, but the "cold arid"-assignment should be definitely overthought since it really makes little sense to me. The temperature in these regions definitely do NOT fall below 0 and do not get nearly as cold as in The Great Horde. ESPECIALLY in the big northern-east region of Morocco. These are still warm regions, definitely.
This is my view on the Terrain assignment. I hope I was somehow a help and would love to talk more about this!
Yet I'm very confused by the "cold arid"-assignment in the Maghreb region, since "cold arid" means icy cold, which definitely can only apply to the Sahara Dessert at night and cold months.
For example, the coldest region during winter time in Morocco is definitely the region around Tangier, Tetouan, Rabat and slighty Al Hoceima. But these times are by far not cold enough to be declared as "cold arid". I think we can agree on the fact that the region of The Great Horde is by far colder than the one in the Maghreb, yet both got declared as "cold arid"?
The Rif-Region is primarly declared as "cold arid", yet I think it should be, like in EU4, be Dryland with warm climate since this how it is literally in real life, so Mediterranean would be way more accurate, since only smaller regions within the Rif-Region are arid (characteristics of coastal regions).
Similar to Tunis, there is way too much "cold arid" environment.
In the northern bits of Morocco (especially Rif-Region --> north-east Morocco) should be more wheat distributed. Even people from French came to Morocco to buy out all fertile land because they knew how fertile these lands were, which made it very hard for local farmers to keep their sovereignty. Also, before the Rif-Wars (1921-1926) the lands were very fertile, but since then after the spanish used extremely toxic gases (highest amount used in a small area known in modern history) to enforce their demands the ground got contaminated and infertile.
The distribution is a minor aspect, but the "cold arid"-assignment should be definitely overthought since it really makes little sense to me. The temperature in these regions definitely do NOT fall below 0 and do not get nearly as cold as in The Great Horde. ESPECIALLY in the big northern-east region of Morocco. These are still warm regions, definitely.
This is my view on the Terrain assignment. I hope I was somehow a help and would love to talk more about this!
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Theocracy under a Shaykh with the ability to become the imam. More beneath
The mozabites following the fall of the rustamids declared a state of kitman, Hilding, and dissolved the imamate replacing it what we could republikan or parlemntary theocracy
mzab was ruled mostly by a sekular council called a juma and when making major changes they had to consult the halaqa and the shaykh. The shaykh could for his part refuse the changes, banish people or strike, shutting dow religous activity all together.
Government:
Ibadi Governence was broadly speaking an elective Theocracy with four types of Imam:
Imam al-Kitman: Leader when the community goes into hiding, alternativley shared between shayks, stepps down when the Kitman is lifted, inthe case of Mzab they decided to let each city be ruled by a shaykh instead
Imam al-Daif: Defensive, stepps down when an al-Shira gains popular support
Imam al-Shira: Offensive/rebelious against Enemies/Oppressors, stepps down after the campaign
Imam al-Zuhur: The Open and general leader
in addition women had their own clergy of sort called levuses or washers (french terminology) and were not allowed to leave a policy which presenter the men from leasing for anyhting other than seasonal trade
Sources:
The Mzab
E. A. Alport
The Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland, Vol. 84, No. 1/2 (Jan. - Dec., 1954), pp. 34-44 (15 pages)
Prima Quran:
The four stages of religion according to Ibadi islam: https://primaquran.com/2024/02/02/the-four-stages-of-islam-according-to-the-ibadi-school/
A Gateway to Hell, a Gateway to Paradise, the North African response to the Arab conquest
Elizabeth Savage
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Binzart harbour is has good as the one in Tunis, heck maybe even better, Agadir in Morocco is also pretty good
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Cold Arid mostly identifies the Köppen-Trewartha BWK climate, 'Cold Desert climates': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_climate#Cold_desert_climates
We´re using the 1901-1925 dataset as a reference, as suggested when we started with Tinto Maps by @Sulphurologist , as apparently, it's the closer climate dataset to that of existing in 1337. This climate dataset is not the same as that we're experiencing nowadays.
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No, it is the IPA symbol for the voiced velar fricative, which is probably also the basis of the romanization of ⵖ, ⵗ (for most Tuareg languages in Niger and Mali), & ⵘ (for the Air language) of the Tifinagh scripts. It does not look good and most romanizations I've found use "gh" instead of "ɣ", which PC could do as well. The main one that uses ɣ is the Berber latin alphabet (its probably also why they use ɛ), but the aesthetics of it are just terrible when put within PC though I do get the appeal, but it does not look good. The 2022 romanization of Neo-Tifinagh would look much better but it isn't perfect either, relying off of the IPA too much for the labialized velar stops. So there really isn't a "good" option for aesthetics while maintaining a recognized and widely used romanization system, imo the best for this purpose would probably be IRCAM Neo-Tifinagh romanization (which while not widely used) will actually look decent, even if it uses o for ʕ and ignores labialization markings.
Also, the use of the Schwa in romanizations is a thing they really only do for the Tuareg languages in Niger, so it should be removed from Wargrən.
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Thanks for your explanation and source! I apologize, It seems like I knew a different definition of "cold arid"-climates.
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It's a Latin Gamma (ɣ), one of the symbols used to transcribe the Tifinagh letter ⵖ, the other being 'gh'
In Tifinagh, this would be written ⵖⴷⴰⵎⴻⵙ. Although interestingly, Arabic Wiki gives its name in Tifinagh as ⵖⴷⵉⵎⵙ "Ɣdims"/"Ghdims", and English Wiki gives it as ⵄⴰⴷⴻⵎⴻⵙ "Ɛademes"/"‘Ademes".
EDIT: Standard Moroccan Tamazight Wiki gives it as ⵖⴷⴰⵎⵙ "Ɣdams"/"Ghdams" and Kabylian wiki gives "Ɣdames"
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Might be a diminutive. For instance "little Meknes" in Darija would become Mkines. Idk how diminutive works in Tamazight, but Amazigh often adopt the Darija form of proper nouns into Tamazight.
Yep in some of the more remote Saharan Tamazight dialects there is some confusion or switching between /ɣ/ and /ʕ/ iirc
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@Pavia is it possible if we can get a look at the areas south of Morocco in the Sahara or is that for another feedback map like West Africa?
Will Tebessa under Muhammad ibn Abdun (Banu Abdun) be added later?
In addition to Tozeur under the Banu Yamlul?
As well as Nefta under the Banu Khalaf?
In addition to Tozeur under the Banu Yamlul?
As well as Nefta under the Banu Khalaf?
Moroccan and Tunisian vassals are tribal confederations, they and other minor Amazigh states should have Tribal instead of Monarchy. In general, I think Tribal occupies the weird spot between SOPs and monarchies and gets underrepresented on the map.
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No, it's a letter of its own used in Tamazight languages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_velar_fricative
Although we're currently evaluating changing it for a ğ, as it could be a better compromise between linguistical accuracy and in-game readability:
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