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Okay - a few things to correct here in the Croatia/Bosnia area.

Belovar in Croatia is both a misspelling of Bjelovar, and 400 years out of date - it was founded in 1756 as a military town by the Habsburgs. The nearby town of Križevci is one of the oldest towns in Croatia, and is conspicuously absent - I'd replace it here.

Visoki, the historical centre of the Bosnian Kingdom is also conspicuously absent - I would rename the location of Vrhbosna or Zenica for it, depending on your preference.

As a province Krajina is anachronistic - the term literally means "borderland" or "frontier", and refers to the historically Croatian areas the Ottoman Empire conquered. Bihać and Srb were key centres of the Kingdom of Croatia, and would only become associated with Bosnia once this region was islamised under the Ottomans. I would include these two locations in the Lika province and the Croatia area accordingly.

The other three locations in the Krajina province, as well as Glaž correspond roughly to the three small border counties of Dubica, Sana, and Vrbas, administered with the Kingdom of Slavonia. Bosnia would only begin expanding to the northwest under Tvrtko I, who was crowned in 1353, after the start date, so Bosnia shouldn't control Kozara or Glaž in 1337. I would include Dubica in the Podravina province as Bosnia never conquered it, and Kozara and Gradiski Brod in the Donji Kraji province to reflect its historic enlargement as a Bosnian fief.

Bosnia should also at this time include Makarska, with Stephen II establishing a coastline for his fledgling polity around this start date.

Additionally I'd replace Szluin with Modruš and include it within Croatia rather than Slavonia, as it was an important political and episcopal centre in Northern Croatia at this time.

Here are a few maps that may prove helpful:

A map illustrating Sana, Dubica, and Vrbas counties:
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A map showing the timescale and extent of Bosnian expansion - in 1337 it should reflect the medium salmon colour.

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A map of historical Bosnian lands - the main divisions of the medieval kingdom. Note the expansion of Donji Kraji into Sana and Vrbas but not Dubica, and the lack of expansion into Bihać.
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Rhodes should probably be a natural harbour, given that it has a number of them:
Rhodes as a fortress by the Sea

I also found this interesting paper on the Knights during this period:
Religion, Warfare and Business in 15th Century Rhodes (This is focused around a hundred years after the startdate, but there's some information on the presence of the bankers and the like which could be useful.)
These papers provide an interesting look at the City of Rhodes, it's development, and its minorities:
The development of the Early Fortifications of the Hospitaller Town of Rhodes(1309-1480)
The eastern district of the Burgh of Rhodes Town. Urban and architectural transformations
 
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@Pavía This was also one of the later shipments to Tinto Maps for the Balkans. Sorry for a lot of pings.

I present my proposal for the division of Croatia and Bosnia. I have taken into account some of the suggestions of others, but there are also some of my own ideas, which I got from reading various sources. Slavonia and Syrmia have such borders that they can combine with Hungary's proposal.

Since I am not from these places, I also ask for suggestions and comments, especially for Bosnia.

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AreaProvinceID Loc.Location
CroatiaKvarner
1​
Fiume (Ita. Hun.), Rijeka (Cro.), Reka (Slo. Cha.)
2​
Crikvenica (Cro. Hun.), Cirquenizza (Ita.), Cirknenz (Ger.)
3​
Senj (Cro.), Segna (Ita.), Zengg (Hun. Ger.)
4​
Krk (Cro.), Veglia (Ita.), Vikla (Dal.), Vegl. (Ger.)
5​
Cres (Cro.), Crepsa (Dal.), Cherso (Ita.)
Modruš
6​
Ogulin (Cro.)
7​
Delnice (Cro.)
8​
Slunj (Cro.), Szluin (Hun.), Sluin (Ger.)
Lika
9​
Otočac (Cro.), Otocsán (Hun.), Ottocio (Ita.), Ottochaz (Ger.), Otočec (Slo. Kaj.)
10​
Korenica (Cro.)
11​
Kaseg (Cro.),
Una
12​
Krupa (Cro.)
13​
Petrovac (Cro.), Petrovec (Slo. Kaj.)
14​
Bihać (Cro.)
IstriaLook into my Germany proposal
DalmatiaZadar
15​
Zadar (Cro.), Zara (Ven. Ita.), Jadra (Dal.)
15aPag (Cro.), Pago (Ita.), Baag (Ger.)
16​
Novigrad (Cro.) Novegradi (Ita. Ven.)
Šibenik
17​
Šibenik (Cro.), Sebenico (Ita.), Sebenego (Ven.)
18​
Biograd (Cro.), Zaravecchia (Ita.), Zaravecia (Ven.)
19​
Knin (Cro.), Tenin (Ita. Ven.)
Split
20​
Split (Cro.), Spalato (Ita.)
21​
Sinj (Cro.), Signo (Ita.)
22​
Poljica (Cro.), Poglizza (Ita.)
23​
Makarska (Cro.), Macarsca (Ita.)
24​
Brač (Cro.), Brazza (Ita.)
25​
Hvar (Cro.), Lesina (Ita.)
Dubrovnik
26​
Dubrovnik (Cro.), Ragusa (Ita.)
27​
Ston (Cro.), Stagno (Ita.)
28​
Korčula (Cro.), Curzola (Ita.)
SlavoniaPrigorje
29​
Zagreb (Cro.), Zágráb (Hun.) Agram (Ger.)
30​
Samobor (Cro.), Szamobor (Hun.)
31​
Jastrebarsko (Cro.), Jaska (Hun.)
32​
Vrbovec (Cro.), Verbovecz (Hun.)
33​
Križevci (Cro.), Kőrös (Hun.), Kreutz (Ger.)
Zagorje
34​
Varaždin (Cro.), Varasd (Hun.), Warasdin (Ger.)
35​
Krapina (Cro.), Korpona (Hun.)
Pokuplje
36​
Dubovac (Cro.), Dubovec (Slo. Kaj.) or Banija (Cro.)
37​
Glina (Cro.)
38​
Petrinja (Cro.) Petrinya (Hun.)
Zrin
39​
Zrin (Cro.)
40​
Novi Grad (Cro.) Novi (Ser.)
41​
Cazin (Cro.)
Moslavina
42​
Čazma (Cro.), Csázma (Hun.)
43​
Garešnica (Cro.), Gerzence (Hun.)
44​
Sisak (Cro.), Sisek (Slo. Kaj.), Sissek (Ger.), Sziszek (Hun.)
45​
Novska (Cro.), Novszka (Hun.)
Podravina
46​
Koprivnica (Cro.), Kapronca (Hun.), Kopreinitz (Ger.)
47​
Virovitica (Cro.), Verőce (Hun.), Wirowititz (Ger.)
48​
Slatina (Cro.), Szalatnok (Hun.)
SyrmiaVukovo
49​
Požega (Cro.), Pozsega (Hun.), Poschegg (Ger.)
50​
Đakovo (Cro.), Diakovár (Hun.), Diakowar (Ger.)
51​
Vukovar (Cro.), Vukovár (Hun.), Wukowar (Ger.)
Posavina
52​
Brod na Savi (Cro.), Broth an der Save (Ger.), Bród (Hun.)
53​
Tisovac (Cro.), Tisovec (Slo. Kaj.)
54​
Vinkovci (Cro.), Vinkovce (Hun.), Winkowitz (Ger.)
Srem
55​
Šid (Ser.) Sid (Hun.)
56​
Sremska Kamenica (Ser.), Srijemska Kamenica (Cro.), Kamánc (Hun.), Kamenitz (Ger.)
57​
Morović (Ser.)
58​
Sremska Mitrovica (Ser.), Srijemska Mitrovica (Cro.), Szávaszentdemeter (Hun.)
59​
Zemun (Ser.), Zimony (Hun.)
BosniaBosna
60​
Vrhbosna
61​
Zenica
62​
Kakanj
63​
Sokolac
64​
Srebrenica
65​
Goražde
66​
Ustikolina
Soli
67​
Soli
68​
Zvonik
69​
Bijeljina
70​
Srebrenik
Usora
71​
Žepče
72​
Mile
73​
Dobor
78​
Doboj
Sana
79​
Gradiška
80​
Dubica
81​
Miren
Donji Kraji
82​
Zvedaj
83​
Ključ
84​
Jajce
85​
Bugojno
HercegovinaHum
86​
Mostar
87​
Imotski
88​
Driva
89​
Metković
Trebinje
90​
Trebinje
91​
Gacko
92​
Nevesinje
93​
Ljubinje
Neretva
94​
Konjic
95​
Kalinovik
Tripolje
96​
Hivno
97​
Šipovo
98​
Drvar

Ita. – Italian name

Ven. – Venetian name

Dal. – Dalmatian name

Slo. – Slovenian name

Cro. – Croatian name

Kaj. – Kajkavian name

Cho. – Chakavian name

Ser. – Serbian name

Ger. – German name

Hun. – Hungarian name
 
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Post 2 of several: Topography of Hungary

a. Distribution of Plateaus in Transylvania
To my understanding, plateaus are supposed to represent land that is relatively flat, but also higher in elevation. I suggest map 6 of this post by Fehervari for relative slopes; narrow green or pale yellow strips surrounded by a mass of mountains presumably doesn't count as plateau.
Suggested changes:
Csiksomlyo, Gyorgyoszentmiklos to mountains - they're more mountain valley than plateau. Sepsiszentgyorgy, Kovaszna, and Kezdivasarhely are harder to say because the exact boundary is hard to see, but I'd say at least one can stay as plateau.
Brasov and Fogaras to plateau - both have large flat areas.
Szeben and Szaszsebes could go either way; mountains/hills is probably fine.
Gyulafehervar, Nagyenyed, Kolozs, Torda, Marosvasarhely, Szekelyudvarhely can be looked at as well, but those are probably fine unless locations are rearranged.

b. Distribution of wetlands in Hungary
I was very happy to see all the wetlands added! However, it looks like they are misplaced in a few places, namely:
Temesvar and Temesrekas - one or both should be wetlands. Temesrekas in particular was prone to flooding. Nagysemlak is also a possibility, but that one is far more debatable.
Pancsova, Ujvidek, Csongrad, Mako, Szarvas, Szolnok - the marshes in these six locations are mostly limited to around just the Danube and Tisza rivers. Csongrad is probably fine as wetlands due simply to its shape, but the rest should probably be changed back to flatlands.
Miskolc - there are definitely some marshes here, but it doesn't dominate the location, and it doesn't extend anywhere near Miskolc city. I'd change it to flatlands.
On the other hand, Heves should be wetlands. The marshes here extend quite far, covering roughly 2/3 of the location.
Nagykaroly and Varda could go either way, but I'd argue flatlands for both. In Nagykaroly's case, it's because it's similar in marsh level to Nagykallo and Nagyboszormeny, which are both represented by flatlands. In Varda's case, it's about 1/3 marsh, 1/3 similar to Nagykaroly, and 1/3 elevated land, a.k.a. flatlands.
Beregszasz location should probably be split in two, with the western half being wetlands and the eastern half not (see below).

c. Hills and mountains in Transdanubia, Slovakia, and Transcarpathia
The land north of Balaton is known as the Transdanubian mountains (Bakony, 706m), and for a good reason. It's pretty hilly, and some of the locations should be hills. This would include Zalavar, and I would argue in favor of splitting another location from western Veszprem because that area is the highest point of those hills.
Buda (756m) should also be hills. Pecs and Sopron could go either way, but I'm in favor of hills for at least Pecs.
Szombathely, Kormend, and Muraszombat are partially hills (Alpokalja, up to 882m), partially flat. I'd argue for making Muraszombat hills and splitting a location off of Kormend and Szombathely to represent the hills in that area.
Obars is pretty flat and lowlying, it shouldn't be hills.
While the core of Nograd county lies along a river valley, most of the county's area is pretty hilly (Javorie 1036m, Ostrozky 877m, Vepor which rises to 1438m outside of Nograd, Borzsony 938m, Barkosag 542m) and should be represented as such. Salgotarjan in particular is located in a very hilly area (Cserhat, up to 729m), but I'd argue for Balassagyarmat and Nograd to be hills as well.
Zsolna and Turocszentmarton should probably be mountains (1071m along Zsolna-Vagbeszterce-Vizovice-Pribor, 1200+ in northeastern Zsolna, Strazov 1213m, Ziar 1024m, Mala Fatra 1610m, Vel'ka Fatra 1596m) - although an argument can be made for Turocszentmarton being plateau due to its large basin. Besztercebanya and Murany should likewise be mountains due to being surrounded by multiple ranges that reach 1000-1500m.
Eger contains the Matra and part of the Bukk and should probably be hills.
Zemplen is along a flatter area, and as such should probably be flatlands. Same probably goes for Ungvar.
Munkacs+Beregszasz should be split into three total locations; the southwestern (Beregszasz) can be wetlands, the middle one (Munkacs) should be hills but can be flat, and the third (Verecke) should be mountains.

Edited to include a map:
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(map is missing suggested change to make Pecs and possibly Sopron hills, oops)
 

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You need to weigh that with the other in-game languages

The German language encompasses 2 standards, 3 groups and tens of languages
The Scandinavian language is united, but there are already formed written languages of Swedish and Danish
The Occitan language is the same in Valencia and Provence

All of that does not go together with 3 separate languages for South Slavic.

The idea of language for the devs is totally different from the one you currently advocate for. It should not be as fragmented as you propose it to be.

Instead by the criteria you give, dialects of South Slavic can be: Slovenian and Slavonic

I also see a lot of people even advocating for a union of South Slavic and Bulgarian
It depends on what sample they want. They also divided the Western Slavs into two languages and many dialects. So they will judge for themselves what their criterion will be. But sometimes it is better to give more so that there is something to extract.
 
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I Don't think that in the 14th century it was easier for someone living in Serbia to understand someone living in Slovenia than in Bulgaria.
There were a couple of pages of discussion of this in the original thread, and the TL;DR is that there's a good chance that it was. The grammatical and phonetic changes that separate Bulgarian from other Slavic languages started in the 11th century (really taking off in the late 1100s), there is more influence from Bulghar Turkic, and there is good evidence to suggest that Bulgarians had formed from a different subgroup of Slavs (Antes) than Serbs or Slovenians (Sclaveni), which could play a factor in how they spoke as well.
 
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Great!
But i think Dalmatian should use the Gallo-italic language rather than Italian.
it is more closely related to Venetian and Istriot rather than the southern languages. Grouping it with Venetian would also be good for gameplay purposes.
Alternatively have them use their own language.

Also, I'm pretty sure the peninsula north of Ragusa (Peljesac) should be owned by Ragusa at the start of the game and the market aswell as location should have dynamic culture naming and be called Ragusa.
Here's a list of cultural names for the area: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/tinto-maps-5-7th-of-june-2024-italy.1686051/post-29680699

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Why do people keep using this image for a 14th century game?It's controversial even by today's standard,and it's just plain wrong for 14th century italy,except for Rhaeto Romance who was probably already quite divergent
Istriot is Italo-Dalmatian, Venetian is contested between Italo-dalmatian and Gallo-Italic and Dalmatian is Italo-DALMATIAN,it's in the name
 
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Looking at the goods, I see you've added a spice good to Sérvia. I'm almost certain this is meant to represent the saffron production in Kozani and if so, it should not be there until the 17th century when bulbs were imported from Austria, which prominently grew saffron in the region near Kremz.

This is according to the Kozani Crocus Cooperative themselves, among other sources: safran.gr (It's right at the bottom of the page)

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What is the purple culture between Greek and Bulgarian in Thrace? Is it Armenian or Megleno-Romanian?
And also the pink minority culture in the south part of Aromanian. Is it just Greek minority or something else?
 
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No Csángos, no romani, Siebenbürger still called Transilvanian Germans...
Also I was hoping for Szabadka/ Subotica to be its own Location
 
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You need to weigh that with the other in-game languages

The German language encompasses 2 standards, 3 groups and tens of languages
The Scandinavian language is united, but there are already formed written languages of Swedish and Danish
The Occitan language is the same in Valencia and Provence

All of that does not go together with 3 separate languages for South Slavic.

The idea of language for the devs is totally different from the one you currently advocate for. It should not be as fragmented as you propose it to be.

Instead by the criteria you give, dialects of South Slavic can be: Slovenian and Slavonic

I also see a lot of people even advocating for a union of South Slavic and Bulgarian
Calling Serbo-Croatian "Slavonic" is confusing because Old Church Slavonic is an eastern South Slavic language originally spoken in the environs of Thessaloniki. It's in the same linguistic sub-family as Bulgarian, not Serbo-Croatian which is in the western sub-family of South Slavic. Also, having Bulgarian as a separate language is one of the few things paradox got right, I guess it wouldn't surprise me if they went back and messed that up too.
 
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Markets
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There haven't been any changes in this map, but I wanted to show you how our dynamic localization for locations works (please remember that you can set it as you prefer with a game rule!)
Is the implementation of rivers in for the market calculation yet? I might be misremembering, but I think I saw someone saying it was, but the spread around pest looks awfully circular, so now I'm not so sure anymore.
 
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