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This is something we've put our eyes upon... Any suggestions for a Naples color change?

(Because if we propose to change the color of BYZ, I'm pretty sure that some byzantophiles will love to blind and castrate us...)
Is something like this ok?

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Just my two cents:

1. I think the change of NAP to blue is the right call to resemble its heritage and to remove the confusion with BYZ, although I would make it a couple of darker blue shades and add a slight bit of purple, so the result is something "in between" that is not French blue nor Byzantine purple.

2. And about Byzantium, I don't want to start the clone color wars as someone already said :D, although I think it would be more fitted for such a relevant empire rank country if it were not that weak washed out pink, but a proper stronger one, more imperial, vibrant and/or heavier pink/purple, taking into account not to blend too much with surroundings Serbia and Germiyanids & vassals (I suggested some time ago a color for BYZ, although I think it blended too much with its surroundings).

I'll leave what I want to say below in an image, with the original for comparison.

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Post 3 of several: Provinces and areas in Hungary

a. Transylvania
Gorgenyszentimre was part of Torda county, not Szekelyfold. The area does, however, have a few Szekely today - more on that in a later post, perhaps.
Felvinc doesn't really belong to any of the surrounding counties, but I think Torda province is a better match than Feher for several reasons. First, it makes sense to put the Szekely in Felvinc with the Szekely in Regen (who should be a minority there - again, maybe more in a later post). Second, this would put a clear division between Torda and Feher counties in the form of the Maros River. Third, in the later 1800s, Felvinc was merged into Torda (while Feher and Kukullo were extended south instead), so there is historical precedent for it. Fourth, I think it would make a lot of sense to extend Felvinc slightly to cover Torocko and its iron mines, and Torocko is part of Torda county.
Hunyad should probably be split off from Feher. It was its own county and putting it together with Feher gives the latter a very weird shape. Also, if anything, Feher (and Kukullo) are politically closer to Kiralyfold, which included Also-Feher (a series of exclaves belonging to Feher county).

b. Alfold
Krasso county ended up exchanging parts of its territory with Temes county; I would have Eastern Banat include Krassovar and Nagysemlak.
Western Banat can probably just be renamed to Torontal, since Banat was later reorganized in such a way that Torontal was extended to cover most of Keve.
It's a shame that Jaszkunsag as a province was not implemented, but I think it's still possible. It would include (Kiskun)felegyhaza, Jakabszallas, Szolnok, Karcag, and Jaszbereny locations, while the remaining parts of Bekes and Csongrad could be merged into Csanad or, better yet, be split between Bacska (which would then have a proper shape that it did actually end up taking historically) and a county of their own.
Eger was not a county (though it was eventually an eyalet that did not strongly correspond to Tinto's Eger province). It should probably be renamed to Heves-Borsod.
I would suggest you guys consider splitting Zemplen province in two, with one half called Zemplen consisting of Zemplen county, and the other half called Transcarptahia consisting of Ung, Bereg, and potentially Nagyszollos location.

c. Transdanubia
Due to terrain differences, I think the western half of Veszprem location should be split off. This would then give Veszprem county 3 locations, allowing it to be a province of its own.
Tolna county was one of the most densely populated regions of Hungary at the time, so it seems a bit odd to give it only two locations. For reasons of population, I suggest giving Tolna county a third location (perhaps Szekszard), allowing it to be its own province.
Feher (red) should be Fejer.
Pilis would be merged with Pest after 1700, and I think it's a little odd to have Budapest occupy two provinces, so I'm of the opinion that Buda location should be part of Pest and the remaining province can just be called Komarom.

d. Slovakia
Zolyom, Besztercebanya, Liptoszentmiklos, Arva(varalja), and Turocszentmarton should be in the same province. The latter three were split off from Zolyom county sometime in the early-mid 1300's, and it's even possible that in 1337 some of them were still part of Zolyom county.
Similarly, Hont and Nograd split off from each other sometime around 1100, and it makes sense to put them together more than putting Hont with Bars. It would also allow Kishont ("Little Hont"), represented by Rimaszombat, to be united with Nagyhont (Hont proper). I think they should be in the same province.
This leaves a 2-location Bars; I suggest either sticking them together with Nyitra (and separating Pozsony), or, better yet, adding the location of Kistapolcsany/Ujbanya to round it out to 3 and make Bars its own province (Kistapolcsany eventually became the county capital; Ujbanya mined primarily gold and silver, but I think it's ok to make it a tin location since there is no longer any tin in Slovakia).
Pozsony is large enough to be split from Nyitra.
Similarly, Abauj-Torna is large enough to be its own province, though at least in this case there is an argument to be made based on historic county extents.
Gomor county should definitely be split off from Nograd (or Hont-Nograd) - it was (mostly) part of a different Captaincy under Austria, and it's certainly large enough.

e. Areas
Transylvania and Transdanubia are fine.
Slovakia is mostly fine, but adding Maramaros to it is a very odd choice.
However, a north-south split to Alfold is a bit arbitrary. A less arbitrary split would be east-west along the Tisza, or at least a north-south split of Alfold vs Banat/Vojvodina. I would even argue for a three-way split including Partium.
Here are two of my suggestions for a more geographically and/or historically accurate split:
Option A: a 3-way split including Partium
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Option B: a 2-way split
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Is something like this ok?

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looks alright. Again my preferred choice would be an intense dark imperial red or purple (maybe that could be the colour for 2 Sicilies / a greater Naples?), but this blue hue is quite good, it represents how it's a mainly maritime country and it's different from the Venetian blue while not being a French blue. 9 / 10 I like it.

Anyways speaking about Naples. Any chances to have Otranto or Sorrento / Amalfi as locations? You know, "Terra d'Otranto" without Otranto is like Scandinavia without Skåne
 
I suspect the problem is that there are two different groups that could be considered Rusyn - the original inhabitants, who are believed to largely be remnants of White Croats, and the new inhabitants that migrated there in the 1400s, who would indeed be closer to Halychian. It's a difficult situation to represent in 1337, though.
Did the 2 groups actually exist as separate? And do we even have proof that the the White Croats weren't just assimilated by the Orthodox East Slavs?
 
Post 3 of several: Provinces and areas in Hungary

a. Transylvania
Gorgenyszentimre was part of Torda county, not Szekelyfold. The area does, however, have a few Szekely today - more on that in a later post, perhaps.
Felvinc doesn't really belong to any of the surrounding counties, but I think Torda province is a better match than Feher for several reasons. First, it makes sense to put the Szekely in Felvinc with the Szekely in Regen (who should be a minority there - again, maybe more in a later post). Second, this would put a clear division between Torda and Feher counties in the form of the Maros River. Third, in the later 1800s, Felvinc was merged into Torda (while Feher and Kukullo were extended south instead), so there is historical precedent for it. Fourth, I think it would make a lot of sense to extend Felvinc slightly to cover Torocko and its iron mines, and Torocko is part of Torda county.
Hunyad should probably be split off from Feher. It was its own county and putting it together with Feher gives the latter a very weird shape. Also, if anything, Feher (and Kukullo) are politically closer to Kiralyfold, which included Also-Feher (a series of exclaves belonging to Feher county).

b. Alfold
Krasso county ended up exchanging parts of its territory with Temes county; I would have Eastern Banat include Krassovar and Nagysemlak.
Western Banat can probably just be renamed to Torontal, since Banat was later reorganized in such a way that Torontal was extended to cover most of Keve.
It's a shame that Jaszkunsag as a province was not implemented, but I think it's still possible. It would include (Kiskun)felegyhaza, Jakabszallas, Szolnok, Karcag, and Jaszbereny locations, while the remaining parts of Bekes and Csongrad could be merged into Csanad or, better yet, be split between Bacska (which would then have a proper shape that it did actually end up taking historically) and a county of their own.
Eger was not a county (though it was eventually an eyalet that did not strongly correspond to Tinto's Eger province). It should probably be renamed to Heves-Borsod.
I would suggest you guys consider splitting Zemplen province in two, with one half called Zemplen consisting of Zemplen county, and the other half called Transcarptahia consisting of Ung, Bereg, and potentially Nagyszollos location.

c. Transdanubia
Due to terrain differences, I think the western half of Veszprem location should be split off. This would then give Veszprem county 3 locations, allowing it to be a province of its own.
Tolna county was one of the most densely populated regions of Hungary at the time, so it seems a bit odd to give it only two locations. For reasons of population, I suggest giving Tolna county a third location (perhaps Szekszard), allowing it to be its own province.
Feher (red) should be Fejer.
Pilis would be merged with Pest after 1700, and I think it's a little odd to have Budapest occupy two provinces, so I'm of the opinion that Buda location should be part of Pest and the remaining province can just be called Komarom.

d. Slovakia
Zolyom, Besztercebanya, Liptoszentmiklos, Arva(varalja), and Turocszentmarton should be in the same province. The latter three were split off from Zolyom county sometime in the early-mid 1300's, and it's even possible that in 1337 some of them were still part of Zolyom county.
Similarly, Hont and Nograd split off from each other sometime around 1100, and it makes sense to put them together more than putting Hont with Bars. It would also allow Kishont ("Little Hont"), represented by Rimaszombat, to be united with Nagyhont (Hont proper). I think they should be in the same province.
This leaves a 2-location Bars; I suggest either sticking them together with Nyitra (and separating Pozsony), or, better yet, adding the location of Kistapolcsany/Ujbanya to round it out to 3 and make Bars its own province (Kistapolcsany eventually became the county capital; Ujbanya mined primarily gold and silver, but I think it's ok to make it a tin location since there is no longer any tin in Slovakia).
Pozsony is large enough to be split from Nyitra.
Similarly, Abauj-Torna is large enough to be its own province, though at least in this case there is an argument to be made based on historic county extents.
Gomor county should definitely be split off from Nograd (or Hont-Nograd) - it was (mostly) part of a different Captaincy under Austria, and it's certainly large enough.

e. Areas
Transylvania and Transdanubia are fine.
Slovakia is mostly fine, but adding Maramaros to it is a very odd choice.
However, a north-south split to Alfold is a bit arbitrary. A less arbitrary split would be east-west along the Tisza, or at least a north-south split of Alfold vs Banat/Vojvodina. I would even argue for a three-way split including Partium.
Here are two of my suggestions for a more geographically and/or historically accurate split:
Option A: a 3-way split including Partium
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Option B: a 2-way split
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Which location is Hungary's teleportation lab located in? You know, the one they used to invade a country they don't share a border with and all.
 
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Gunmetal grey or Dark green? Like for grey, agree for green.
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Sorry for my poor colouring job, ignore the faint text on the grey one.
Personally I think the teal colour on Bulgaria's modern flag is pleasant and would be suitable for the game, although I don't believe it has any authentic medieaval connection (but neither do either of those colours either).

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Personally I think the teal colour on Bulgaria's modern flag is pleasant and would be suitable for the game, although I don't believe it has any authentic medieaval connection (but neither do either of those colours either).

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Well I think it comes down to it not being too similar to the ottoman color (which imo should stay as it is). If they make the grey actually look good then it would have more continuity with the eu4 and ck3 series. Green is more akin to HOI4, but should this really matter though.
 
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Well I think it comes down to it not being too similar to the ottoman color (which imo should stay as it is). If they make the grey actually look good then it would have more continuity with the eu4 and ck3 series. Green is more akin to HOI4, but should this really matter though.
Well personally I really think the Ottomans should be red :p
 
2. I'm not actually sure if your "Kiskunfélegyháza" location actually includes Kiskunfélegyháza, but either way, I would advise you to restructure Little Cumania to have two locations, Félegyháza to the North and Halas to the south; the Kiskun- prefixes were not used at the time and still dropped today in colloquial speech.
It would appear that Kiskunfélegyháza doesn't include the city, considering that the Kecskemét province has the city of Kecskemét in its southern half. The city itself on the map belongs to Jakabszállás or Csongrád. Hard to tell where the two provinces begin and end. I think Jakabszállás should be renamed to Félegyháza and the Kiskunfélegyháza province should be renamed to Halas.

I feel like the devs need to give another look at the Southern Great Plains. I don't think Kecskemét should be that tall. Historically the city's reach spread more to the east and the west, rather than the north.
 
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Looking at the goods, I see you've added a spice good to Sérvia. I'm almost certain this is meant to represent the saffron production in Kozani and if so, it should not be there until the 17th century when bulbs were imported from Austria, which prominently grew saffron in the region near Kremz.

This is according to the Kozani Crocus Cooperative themselves, among other sources: safran.gr (It's right at the bottom of the page)

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Nice catch, and you could be 100% right
That said, I suspect that sentence might refer to the import of more productive modern varietals of domesticated crocus (as compared to the original, wilder varietals native to Greece)

Greece was likely the original site of saffron domestication, and there's a long history of continuous cultivation in the region region (from archaic through Roman and Byzantine times to today). However, over time, production shifted from the original wild varietals to more productive domesticated ones. I don't know whether Kozan was growing saffron at the time of the game's start, but Greece itself was certainly a significant source of saffron to places like Italy, Germany, and Northern Europe during the game's timeframe. I suggested them adding a source to Rhodes and Rethymno on Crete to get at this point (a source in the Cyclades and Euboia would also work), but mainland Greece likely also merits a saffron source imo
 
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A note on Višesav:
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Make of that what you will.
Based on the description provided, that would place Višesav around here:
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Plenty of space between it, and the current border in-game (which funnily enough matches with the modern one). I see no problem for Bulgaria to possess control of the entirety of the Timok valley, right up until Višesav, giving it the necessary border with Hungary.
 
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Based on the description provided, that would place Višesav around here:
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Plenty of space between it, and the current border in-game (which funnily enough matches with the modern one). I see no problem for Bulgaria to possess control of the entirety of the Timok valley, right up until Višesav, giving it the necessary border with Hungary.
To elaborate on this, the name the location of that protruding bit of land should carry, is that of Kladovo.
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For which we actually have an excerpt from the Bulgarian wikipedia page for the town, which translated states:
"On August 18, 1396, the Hungarian King Sigismund, during the Danube Crusade he led, crossed the Danube at Kladovo and entered Bulgaria, and in the charter from Neograd of the same year, he noted the city as Bulgarian."
Here's how it looks in the wikipage in it's original form:
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Hello, why is the northern part of Croatia under Hungary, and not under Croatia as it is in EU4? While Croatia was under the Hungarian personal union, the Croatian Ban would have still retained authority in that area. Also, its unlikely anyone in that region spoke Hungarian unless they were soldiers from Hungary or nobility and yet the language for the entire region is Hungarian.
Also, giving Croatia a stronger green colour would help with differentiating it from Bosnia and Cili, which both have similiar colours.
 
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