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cool-toxic said:
What about Zoroastrian in Pagans place instead. This makes conversion much easier for those parts where it was still the major religion.

Then Pagans and Polytheism could be merged into one maybe then we can get a space free for Monophysites?

And btw, I like the Islam-Christianity thing. :D Thus states can easier convert from one to another religion. :)
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I don't know, while the Monophysite-Chalcedonian issue was a big issue in the church, it didn't stop Armenians and Ethiopians from very closely cooperating and allying with Crusader, Byzantine and later Portuguese forces against Pagan or Muslim enemies. In many cases Monophysite Christians had better relations with the crusaders than the supposedly more doctrinally-aligned Byzantines.

Also, in this era and for a long time after it, a wide swathe of Christian countries engaged in something like a crusade. The Ethiopians went on two crusades against their Muslim neighbors, once under Amde Tsion (1313-1342) and again under Yesahq (1414-1427) so they should be able to engage in crusades.

One thing that perhaps might make sense for this era is to flip those around, allowing Muslims to enter into aggressive expansion mode, since you want to end this period BEFORE the era of crusades.

In which case, the above should be religions for 1050-1450, and for 600-1050 we should have those a little bit modified:

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Protestant: Zoroastrian
Reformed: Christian
Counter-Reformed: Mujahid
Catholic: Muslim
Sunni: Dualist
Shiite: Monist
 
Looks good. :) Maybe there could be some neighbour spread of islam events, thus will in some cases make the Zoroastrian and Christians convert to Islam. :)

So the question now is who should gain SPA tag? :) The Caliphate?
About the HRE maybe that should just deleted.. Maybe make the Rebels HRE or something? :D
And province 399 should not be used unless we could maybe use it for Cordoba or Constantinople. Thus if they are controlled by anyone except PAP (Which could be the caliphate or maybe just a muslim state) then the whole muslim world would gain CB and go after it right? :)
 
Province 399 should be Mecca, with the Kaaba. PAP should be the Sharif of Mecca.
The Caliphate should have to convert everyone the hard way, really. There should be events for the historical movement of Arab tribes into North Africa, Iraq, Syria, Persia etc and those should change the culture and religion though.
 
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I want to more accurately portray the actual situation in Axum at this time. The Axum empire was in point of fact a somewhat teetering behemoth (they also had the Nubian princes as vassals too) and will implode in about 100 years time.

I have added Damot (which will become the Zagwe dynasty) and the Afar of the Danakil depression in Rahayto as vassal princes.

The Axum empire famously collapsed when the Queen of Beta Israel, Gudit, and her Agaw allies, invaded Axum in the 900s. The empire fell apart long before that though, as the Dahlak Islands had converted to Islam and declared independence in the 7th century and the Ummayads conquered the islands by 702. After this the Beja moved into northern Eritrea and dominated it for centuries. By the time Gudit invaded Axum the Habashat ruled rather little.

It was left to the Zagwe of Damot to rebuild the empire, but they were largely seen as illegitimate due to the fact that they were Agaw, not Habash. The Zagwe kings of Damot were deposed by the Habash Solomonic Dynasty and renamed the kingdom "Habashat" in 1270.

So perhaps the vassals of Axum should stop being vassals in about 700.

By the way, with an end date of 1050 or so, it's not neccisary to have the Somali revolter states, since the Darood and Isaaq did not arrive until the 13th and 14th centuries.

The consolidation of Showa, Adal and Ifat, and their subsequent conversion to Islam, really created two power centers, as by 1300 Ifat had consolidated Adal, Rahayto, Fetegar, Bale, Dewaro and Shewa. No slouch either though, by 1300 Habashat (the new one created out of Damot) had retaken Eritrea from the Beja, conquered Beta Israel and taken Gojjam from the Agaw. The showdown between Amde Tsion and the Sultanate of Ifat was really the deciding moment in Ethiopian history, and the defeat of Ifat really shifted the momentum towards Christian Ethiopia, which continued to conquer and defeat the muslim Ethiopian states from then on until today.
 
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I posted in the AU thread on the GMF new shields and flags, check it out:

Link

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That would be possible, which tribes are in?

Visigoths?
 
Okay, I will need to get source images for those..
 
Just thinking a bit, that it is possible to get Monophysite Christianity in there in place of Zoroastrianism, and add Zoroastrianism to "Dualism".
This isn't strictly the best thing to do, there were never anything more than ecuminical angry letters and excommunications between the Chalcedonians and Monophysites, and they actually put aside their differences and cooperated with each other when it became clear their squabbling was getting in the way of defending Christendom.

Also, Zoroastrians engaged in horrible persecutions of other Dualist religions, who tended to get along (the Mandaeans and Manichaeans were labelled heresies and persecuted terribly by the Zoroastrian priesthood).

The cross-CB from Dualists and Monists largely has to do with the fact that the non-Zoroastrian dualists tended to view the "Single, omnipotent God" religions as being worshippers of the EVIL deity, the demiurge, rather than the good one.

The Monists are basically any religion that has one, omnipotent God that is not based on Abrahamic religion, IE traditional Cushite religion, several African and Asian religions, etc. Non-Trinitarian Christians, Elamites, Arians and what have you should probably be considered Jewish for our purposes.

Except Monist Gnostics. The monist Gnostic view of God is very different than the traditional or even Kabbalist view, and should be treated as Monist. An Arian or Jewish religious establishment would consider them just as heretical as the Catholic church and react in rather the same way.
 
Now with the possibility of acquiring the sourcecode of EU2, would it be possible to tweak the game engine so that it handles early startdates better and maybe include new features, for example a better simulation of nomadic migrations or a breakdown of provinces into various religious groups?
 
Mad King James said:
I don't know, while the Monophysite-Chalcedonian issue was a big issue in the church, it didn't stop Armenians and Ethiopians from very closely cooperating and allying with Crusader, Byzantine and later Portuguese forces against Pagan or Muslim enemies. In many cases Monophysite Christians had better relations with the crusaders than the supposedly more doctrinally-aligned Byzantines.

Also, in this era and for a long time after it, a wide swathe of Christian countries engaged in something like a crusade. The Ethiopians went on two crusades against their Muslim neighbors, once under Amde Tsion (1313-1342) and again under Yesahq (1414-1427) so they should be able to engage in crusades.

One thing that perhaps might make sense for this era is to flip those around, allowing Muslims to enter into aggressive expansion mode, since you want to end this period BEFORE the era of crusades.

In which case, the above should be religions for 1050-1450, and for 600-1050 we should have those a little bit modified:

upload2world_7e738.png


Protestant: Zoroastrian
Reformed: Christian
Counter-Reformed: Mujahid
Catholic: Muslim
Sunni: Dualist
Shiite: Monist
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The one from this post. :)
 
I'd group the religions like this:

Catholic: Orthodox
Protestant: Apostolic
Reformed: Jewish
Counter-Reformed: ----
Catholic: Orthodox
Sunni: Sunni
Shiite: Shiite
Pagan: Buddhist
Hindu: Hindu
Buddhist: Pagan
Confucian: Zoroastrian
 
cool-toxic said:
I think it would be much better the other way around. Then we can have the Muladis. :) Or else we can't have them that dynamic. Only event scripted..
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I think it is not necessary to include every fringe group as a separate religion.

And IMO the Kharijites would probably be the primary choice for a third Islamic group.
 
well, so what is "the other way around"?

I think if we have 3 mulim factions, Sunni and Shiite are clear. If Kharijite would include also Ibadite and other those semi-kharijite sects, I'd go for Kharijite. Just tell me what should be what :)

As for Muladis I think there is no other choice than to make it events.

so this doesn't seem to be the choice, Or yes?
CATHOLIC;Muslim;;;;;;;;;;2234
PROTESTANT;Zoroastrian;;;;;;;;;;2235
ORTHODOX;Jewish;;;;;;;;;;2236
SUNNI;Dualist;;;;;;;;;;2237
SHIITE;Monist;;;;;;;;;;2238
PAGAN;Pagan;;;;;;;;;;2239
REFORMED;Christian;;;;;;;;;;2240
CREFCATHOLIC;Mujahid;;;;;;;;;;2241
MOSLEM;Heretics;;;;;;;;;;2242
CHRISTIAN;Abrahamic;;;;;;;;;;2243
KONFUCIAN;Chinese;;;;;;;;;;2244
BUDDHIST;Polytheism;;;;;;;;;;2245
HINDU;Dharma;;;;;;;;;;2246
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btw, do we have a list of cultures? I think I can do something little with them
 
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