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Idlle time

cool-toxic said:
well i´m making the countries and the cultures, but i can´t work more until we get the map.
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Why dont you just start modding with current avaliable map. I mean just do paralel work, working on beta version without special map. and HoChiMinh work on making new map. I will tell for sure that making new map will take a long time. idlle time if just waiting for the map. Like Mongol scenario was on current map and have plan using new map in next update.
So let start modding betas version and new map if HoChiMinh finished it will suppose to next update version... :)
 
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agung pasha said:
Why dont you just start modding with current avaliable map. I mean just do paralel work, working on beta version without special map. and HoChiMinh work on making new map. I will tell for sure that making new map will take a long time. idlle time if just waiting for the map. Like Mongol scenario was on current map and have plan using new map in next update.
So let start modding betas version and new map if HoChiMinh finished it will suppose to next update version... :)
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we could that, then i vote for Mymap (now that you came up with the idea :D) i´ll begin making a beta of the scenarios.
 
cool-toxic said:
we could that, then i vote for Mymap (now that you came up with the idea :D) i´ll begin making a beta of the scenarios.
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Any progress.. on HoChiMinh map.?? just curious what has he done so far.. :)

i have plan to release Mymap update in the next two week that cover all of the world and east asia become center of mymap. if you use mymap for beta scenario , i can help to remake middle east base on HoChiMinch work. Just need simple sketch on that area. That become Mymap special edition... :D
 
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If you would like Toxic, I can try to scriptsome of the first :rise of Islam: events regarding the prophet peace be upon him and his companions.:)

Errr actually, Loffmen seems to have done alot, I will try to build from those...
 
Calipah said:
If you would like Toxic, I can try to scriptsome of the first :rise of Islam: events regarding the prophet peace be upon him and his companions.:)

Errr actually, Loffmen seems to have done alot, I will try to build from those...
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For some serious events concerning country formation (The Califate etc.) we need to know how the map looks like.

I think first we should come to a decision on that subject (wait for HoChiMins map, use Mymap or Vanilla).

And how should we simulate the fast expansion of the Califate after Muhammads death?
 
BasileiosII said:
For some serious events concerning country formation (The Califate etc.) we need to know how the map looks like.

I think first we should come to a decision on that subject (wait for HoChiMins map, use Mymap or Vanilla).

And how should we simulate the fast expansion of the Califate after Muhammads death?
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I use mymap, could you also please just call him the prophet, its kinda weird for me to read his name just like that :D thanks - Well the Prophet did expand up to Tabuk and has sent emissionaries.Perhaps a quick :Muslims are invading our Sultanate!: with a strangling inheritance unto the Caliphate.Give cores based on each of the righteous Caliph's motions, like say Umar into Palestine and Syria, Othman unto Egypt and so forth.Persia and Byantium have to be weakened immensly.Troop grants and cash is also the way to go.Dont forget ai.

:D
 
zacharym87 said:
Well I'm getting some support for Kharijism over Sufism, which is good.
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Exactly, Sufis arent exactly a sect more than they are a variation of all sects. You have shia sufis, sunni sufis, Madad Sufis and so forth.Kharijim had a greater effect (damn trouble makers! :mad: ).
 
Calipah said:
I use mymap, could you also please just call him the prophet, its kinda weird for me to read his name just like that :D thanks - Well the Prophet did expand up to Tabuk and has sent emissionaries.Perhaps a quick :Muslims are invading our Sultanate!: with a strangling inheritance unto the Caliphate.Give cores based on each of the righteous Caliph's motions, like say Umar into Palestine and Syria, Othman unto Egypt and so forth.Persia and Byantium have to be weakened immensly.Troop grants and cash is also the way to go.Dont forget ai.
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Maybe we can do it like they did it in the MES to ensure the growth of the Mongol state. When you (Califate) conquer a specific amount of provinces in Syria, Iraq or Egypt, ownership over these regions is transferred to you by Event.
Then we wouldn't have to weaken the Eastern Roman Empire too much. (They must still manage to hold onto Asia Minor).

And I'll call him the Prophet from now on ;).
 
For the religious setup, I think we need at least two Christian Beliefs. Catholicism (we should ignore the de Facto Schism between the Patriarch and the Pope) and another Tag representing the "Other Christians" (Monophysites, Nestorians ... ) who were considered heretics by Rome and Constantinople.
 
HoChiMinh said:
How about west christians (rome and byzantium) and east christians (the other lot)?
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That's exacly what I mean. But I'd rather call the first group "Chalcedon Christian" and the rest "Other Christian".

As for the tags, maybe we could use the Sunni and Shiite tags for the Christians and all the Christian tags for the different Muslims (This would allow switching).
The Orthodox tag could be used for the Jews (Khazars) and the other tags stay as they are.
 
Actually, it would be best just using shia and sunni tags, whilst the other religious movements should be given something like rebellions or lack of innovation and so forth.You have to remember, in the end, a Sufi, a Kharajite and so forth, were either sunnis or shiites.
 
Calipah said:
Actually, it would be best just using shia and sunni tags, whilst the other religious movements should be given something like rebellions or lack of innovation and so forth.You have to remember, in the end, a Sufi, a Kharajite and so forth, were either sunnis or shiites.
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I arranged it like this because I don't want the player to be able to switch between Chalcedon and 'Other' Christian (only by historic event).
For example, I had the idea of simulating the Iconoclastic Controversy in the Roman Empire by changing it's Religion to 'Other Christian' (to simulate the split with papacy).
A human player or the AI would then change back to Chalcedon because the majority of provinces in the Empire is Chalcedon. This would be unhistorical.

And I always thought there were three big Islamic streams (Sunni, Shi'a and sth. beginning with A (It is the Omani State Religion today, I don't know the name :p).
So I suggest use Catholic for Sunni, Protestant for Shi'a and Reformed for 'I don't know the name'. :D

If we use the Catholic Tag for Chalcedon and the Orthodox for Other Christian, we had 3 useless Tags (CRC, Protestant, Reformed).

Or we have to think of a completely different setup.

AND something else:

If we use MyMap, the ERE will be huge (63 Provs without the Exarchates!) :eek:
We definatly have to make the Exarchates playable or the whole thing would be too big (around 80 Provs!)
 
BasileiosII said:
I arranged it like this because I don't want the player to be able to switch between Chalcedon and 'Other' Christian (only by historic event).
For example, I had the idea of simulating the Iconoclastic Controversy in the Roman Empire by changing it's Religion to 'Other Christian' (to simulate the split with papacy).
A human player or the AI would then change back to Chalcedon because the majority of provinces in the Empire is Chalcedon. This would be unhistorical.

And I always thought there were three big Islamic streams (Sunni, Shi'a and sth. beginning with A (It is the Omani State Religion today, I don't know the name :p).
So I suggest use Catholic for Sunni, Protestant for Shi'a and Reformed for 'I don't know the name'. :D

If we use the Catholic Tag for Chalcedon and the Orthodox for Other Christian, we had 3 useless Tags (CRC, Protestant, Reformed).

Or we have to think of a completely different setup.

AND something else:

If we use MyMap, the ERE will be huge (63 Provs without the Exarchates!) :eek:
We definatly have to make the Exarchates playable or the whole thing would be too big (around 80 Provs!)
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Well it´s only for the beta when Hochiminh is done with his map we will convert all the files so that they are compatible with Hochiminh´s map
 
BasileiosII said:
That's exacly what I mean. But I'd rather call the first group "Chalcedon Christian" and the rest "Other Christian".

As for the tags, maybe we could use the Sunni and Shiite tags for the Christians and all the Christian tags for the different Muslims (This would allow switching).
The Orthodox tag could be used for the Jews (Khazars) and the other tags stay as they are.
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That is a possibility.. but still, we need to have tags for Zoroastranism and Judaism..

if we use confucians, hindus, Buddhists and pagans as they are.. we need tags for zoroastrans, jews and at least two different kinds of Christians (preferably more)

Christians.

there must be a tag for false chistians, like nestorians, arians, abionits etc. but they should just have one tag. we must remember that though Nestorianism were big in Syria etc. Arianism (which is about the same, they also deny the Trinity), was big in the Germanized western Europe, at least as a religion for the ruling classes.. as most people were true christians.. in Visigothic Spain the gotich rulers were arians, while the people ibero-romans were catolic. and it was the arians that invited the muslims to the peninsula.. in the same way it was the false christians, nestorians in Syria that eased the muslim conquest of the Middle East.. in Judea-Palestina most people were true christians, like in Egypt (copts).. also true chistianity were strong in Anatolia, Caucasus and Iraq, as well as Northern Africa.
 
I rather favor using 2 Christian tags for Chalcedonian and "other" though we should try to give them a more dignified name than "other." If we cut a Christian or Islamic tag I favor adding a Gnostic/Manichean tag. The MES formula probably works to mirror Arab expansion throughout the Persian and Byzantine empires.
 
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