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nett40 said:
I'm pretty sure that a decent depection of the American Civil War could be made, without turning EU4 into a Vic2 clone. All you basically need is a little imagination and some good scripting. In my book EU1, EU2 and EU3 were all board game like military strategic conquest games, spanning centuries and different eras. I hope Paradox remain true to this vision.

I would also be extremely happy if Paradox only extended the timeline of Europa Universalis IV to the 31st December 1860. So that the Crimean War could be included (1853-1856). But I would be very dissapointed if the playable timeline is shorter than in EU3 DW (420 years). If they move the start date then i think they should move the enddate as well, so that the game remains a very long journey...
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Pretty sure a shorter timeframe has already been confirmed. Didn't the announcement say something about "over 300 years"? And Johan said in that Gamespot interview it went up to the Napoleonic era, or late 18th century. So I'd say the end date will be sometime between 1789 and 1800. And I'm sorry, but extending the game well into the 19th century just isn't a good idea. The mechanics would not be in place to represent what was going on. And I'll say it again, I just don't think they would want to eat into another of their major titles like that. The American Civil War is even the main focus of Victoria II's expansion, after all.
 
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Garak said:
Pretty sure a shorter timeframe has already been confirmed. Didn't the announcement say something about "over 300 years"?
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My guess is that they announce something like "over 300 years" because that is the core they must cover, and then they can always expand it to earlier or later dates as they develop and see how the different start dates affect balance.
 
1444-1789. The game should end with the French Revolution.

They should make the Napoleonic Wars into another game.
 
They need some breathing room to make DLCs out of, I understand why the timeline is shorter. If everything else fails, mod it, and you can make EU4 into the game you wished it was.
 
Garak said:
Pretty sure a shorter timeframe has already been confirmed. Didn't the announcement say something about "over 300 years"? And Johan said in that Gamespot interview it went up to the Napoleonic era, or late 18th century. So I'd say the end date will be sometime between 1789 and 1800. And I'm sorry, but extending the game well into the 19th century just isn't a good idea. The mechanics would not be in place to represent what was going on. And I'll say it again, I just don't think they would want to eat into another of their major titles like that. The American Civil War is even the main focus of Victoria II's expansion, after all.
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Yes, I've just seen the short demo. Sadly the timeline will be from 1444-1789, So I'll simply have to make do with EU3 DW untill the first EU4 expansions arrive in 1Q 2014. Hopefully they won't start totally from scratch again.

Btw. this feels like EU3 all over again, all the nice timeline expansions of EU2 were cut away in the first release of EU3. It took a couple of expansions before EU3 reached EU2 in board game like playability.
 
I was actually disappointed with the extensions of EU3, the original period was long enough. How often have you finished a full game with a meaningful end game?
 
Grubnessul said:
I was actually disappointed with the extensions of EU3, the original period was long enough. How often have you finished a full game with a meaningful end game?
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Most of the time I start a scenario campaign and then I play untill I have achieved my goals. If the timeline is too short many of the fun stuff becomes impossible, simply because the player is limited by a certain built-in end-point.

Why not have an almost open ending. It shouldn't be that difficult to add sprites and unit techs to fill in the last years, before military inventions and tactics makes an EU-style game impossible. As long, as there only where three branches of the army (Infantry, Cavalry and Artillery) and four types of ships (transports, big ships, light ships and galleys).

You can still have zillions of other games specialising on certain events and parts of history, which a long time strategy conquest game can't do. You can have both sugar and spice. You don't need to make near perfect simulations of everything. You will still have March of the Eagles, Darkest Hour and East vs. West, all games focusing on a specific short time-line (ie. the Napoleonic Wars, the World Wars and the Cold War). This allows them to be much more accurate and detailed in comparison to Europa Universalis' unique board-game-like playability.
 
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I hope the Revolutionary period isn't re-added via another expansion, though.

I see Paradox are actually making a specific game for this period (using, I believe, the same engine) so I guess it would be pretty redundant adding it to EU IV anyway.
 
The Fish said:
I second this.


They actually are, it's going to be called March of the Eagles.
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I've seen. I think I'm going to get it.

Would be great to be able to play from CK-EU-MoE-Vicky. I'm not interested in WWII so my history would end there.

What is the timeline for March of Eagles?
 
MoE is 1805-1815.

Nett40: Yes, you could do that, giving it the same bland feeling as civilization. I do prefer a shorter period and a game better tailored to suit the mechanics of this era over a one size fits all approach. Thus I wouldn't have minded a 1453 or 1492 start either.
 
Grubnessul said:
Nett40: Yes, you could do that, giving it the same bland feeling as civilization. I do prefer a shorter period and a game better tailored to suit the mechanics of this era over a one size fits all approach. Thus I wouldn't have minded a 1453 or 1492 start either.
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Does EU3 Diwine Wind have a bland civilization feeling to it? I don't think so...

If you and the 95% other fans don't want to play EU past 1789 then you can choose to stop that year. But why take the oppurtunity away from people who wish to play the game for little longer, at least for as long as EU did in Diwine Wind. That's my humble opinion...
 
Isn't March of the Eagles a Europe-only game? Apart from the denied chance of playing events like the War of 1812, it makes it unsuited for a complete converted game from CK to HoI. Which is, I reckon, a minor argument; but I feel that MoE won't cover that period for those who want to play a megacampaign.
 
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I do prefer a shorter period and a game better tailored to suit the mechanics of this era over a one size fits all approach.
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The problem with your argument is that 1444-1789 is not a single era. EU4 combines at least four different eras into one playable mega-campaign. If you want the game to be better tailored to suit the mechanics of the renaisance, reformation, absolutism and enlightenment, then Paradox has to divide EU4 into four new games instead of one!
 
nett40 said:
The problem with your argument is that 1444-1789 is not a single era. EU4 combines at least four different eras into one playable mega-campaign. If you want the game to be better tailored to suit the mechanics of the renaisance, reformation, absolutism and enlightenment, then Paradox has to divide EU4 into four new games instead of one!
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But those are pretty much different sections of society. You sorta forgot colonization and trade too. The revolutionary era, and Napoleon, and well as any industrialization at all, doesn't fit into the game.
 
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So what does 1444 mean in comparison with 1399?

- Stronger Burgundy, Ottoman Empire and Venice?
- Aragon and Castille in PU?
- Aragon has Naples
- Algiers, Tunis and parts of Libya under Hafsid rule?
- ???
 
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PiriReis said:
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So what does 1444 mean in comparison with 1399?

- Stronger Burgundy, Ottoman Empire and Venice?
- Aragon and Castille in PU?
- ??
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Well the HRE mechanics that we got in game make alot more sense in 1444 than they did in 1399...

The HYW is also at an interesting "late game" stage. The English are stronger than they were in 1399 but not as strong as 1420.

The player has ALOT less time to dominate the continent before the advent of the colonial race. With a 1399 start, you could annex Iberia, France and England without triggering a BB war and then colonize away...

Speaking of which, Portugal has a real edge in near-abroad exploration in 1444.

Im sure theres more though :)
 
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