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Tinto Flavour #5 - 7th of February 2025 - Aragon

Hello, and welcome to one more Tinto Flavour, the happy Friday in which we take a look at the content of the new, super-secret Project Caesar. This week we will take a look at the Crown of Aragon, the lands where, centuries later, a certain video-game studio would be situated… But, in 1337, its situation is different:

The Crown of Aragon stands proudly as a significant power in the western Mediterranean region thanks to its maritime prowess, diplomatic weight, and flourishing trade networks.

The stabilization of the Kingdom of Valencia and the ongoing conquest of the newly-created Kingdom of Sardinia and Corsica might ensure it a dominant position in the seas. However, despite its relative stability, challenges loom on the horizon. To the East, the Kingdom of Mallorca faces economic difficulties and its ruler's animosity towards King Pere IV ‘the Ceremonious’ might convince him to act foolishly. In the peninsula, the threat of the Crown of Castile is more and more real as the Reconquista comes to an end. To the north, the Kingdom of France has consolidated its domain over the Languedoc in the last century.

How would the young King Pere IV face the challenges to come? Will he focus on the Mediterranean Sea and rule the waves from Barcelona to the Holy Land? Will he turn around and claim dominance over Iberia? Or will he try to get revenge from the Battle of Muret in 1213, and recover its ancient holdings north of the Pyrenees?
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The young King Pere IV ascended to the throne in 1336. As usual, please consider the UI, 2D and 3D art as WIP.​

These are the lands of Aragon:
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And this is the starting diplomatic situation, the Kingdom of Mallorca being a vassal, and the Military Order of Montesa being sponsored by Aragon (something we will talk about in a future Tinto Flavour, with other Catholic Military Orders):
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These are the lands of the Order of Montesa, which is a Building Based Country; the first screenshot is what you see when you hover over the country flag in any panel (such as the Diplomatic one shown just above), while the second is the BBC map mode - both show in which locations is the Order present through a building:
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Oh, yes, and there are also some Florentine bankers present in Barcelona and Palma…​

The Crown of Aragon starts with a major government reform of the same name:
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And also another unique one, that portrays the traditional fueros used in most of the Pyrenean towns and cities for their government; it is unlocked by a functional Culture Group called ‘Pyrenean’, shared by Aragonese, Basque and Gascon cultures (because, as we mentioned in a past Tinto Talks, a culture may belong to multiple culture groups, which are fully scriptable, and thus, moddable, so they can be created and used for multiple purposes):
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Beside these reforms, the Nobility of Aragon starts with this unique privilege, which is one of the most important cornerstones of the realm:
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This privilege may be relevant in the future…​

Aragon also has a unique Maritime policy, the Consulate of the Sea:
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And starts with some Works of Art, of which I’m going to show a couple, the Virgin of Montserrat, most widely known as ‘La Moreneta’:
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And the Basilica del Pilar of Zaragoza:
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There are some unique advances for Aragon, so let’s show some of them:

The Almogavars is a unique Levy unit unlocked through an advance:
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Related to the former:
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Aragon has another unique land unit, the Catalan Crossbowmen:
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And also a unique naval unit, the Catalan Galley:
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There’s also a couple some more advances related to the Maritime prowess of Aragon, as this one:
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And a couple more advances from the Age of Discovery:
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It might be dangerous to oppress the remenças, though…

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There are some events related to Joanot Martorell and Ausiàs March, so you might be able to hire them as artists, and also sponsor the famous novel, Tirant lo Blanch!:


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About the narrative content for Aragon, there’s an event chain that can trigger early on, about the fate of the Kingdom of Mallorca:

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There’s also a unique disaster, the War of the Aragonese Union, that may trigger in the case that Jaume, Peter’s younger brother, is no longer the heir:

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The purple section in the disaster tooltip is from the debug mode, so it wouldn’t be present in a regular game; I added it to show that there’s a chance for some additional events to trigger.​

There’s also some regional content. The first is an event that may trigger a chain about the most important institution in the Kingdom of Aragon, the Justicia (‘Chief Justiciar’):
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Not all are troublesome, as some more pleasant may trigger, this also related to Valencia:
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And much more, but that’s all for today! Next week we will travel to the Holy Roman Empire, to take a look at the Kingdom of Bohemia! Cheers!
 
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Pavía said:
1. Not specifically those, but also other families, such as the Jaca one (which I'd consider the most widespread).
2. It would be interesting, although a bit too granular; making a note for the future, nonetheless.
3. Yes, the events about the Justicia may lead to the 'Alteraciones', and can also happen if Castile or Spain rule over Aragón.
4. This is still subject to balance.
5. We have a bunch of historical ones already scripted.
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Thanks for the answer.

Regarding the first point, the fuero de Jaca is definitely the most widespread. However, I should note it dates back from times of Aragones-Pamplonese union and was the basis of the navarrese fueros (Lema Pueyo wrote more in detail). I think that the fuero advance should then also be open to Navarra. I asked about the Sobrarbe one since they are more ahistorical but usually part of how the aragonese nobility later justified themselves.

Regarding the Seo-Pilar issue, thanks. If I can help draft a couple of events to persuade you to add it, let me know.

If you allow me for some suggestions for starting buildings in the kingdom of Aragon:
  • Cathedrals in Huesca, Roda de Isábena, Zaragoza, Tarazona and Teruel
  • Colegiatas in Borja, Daroca, Alquezar and Calatayud. There should be some event for later addition of one in Alcañiz
  • Monasteries in Montearagón, San Juan de la Peña, San Pedro el Viejo, Alaón, San Victorían, Veruela, Piedra, Rueda, Sijena and Casbas
  • palace in la Aljafería and torreón de la Zuda en Zaragoza. I would also add the Casas del Puente en Zaragoza, to model the high local power of the city
  • Castle in Borja / Calatayud / Tarazona / Teruel (thinking ahead of the war of the two Peters)
  • If there is any building for irrigation, there should be along the Ebro and Jalón locations as well as in the lower Gallego and lower Huerva representing the old network of acequias.
  • I have my doubts about the papers describing the armour industry in the period, but I'd add metalworks in Calatayud
  • textil works in Zaragoza and Huesca, most likely
  • saltworks representing Arcos de las Salinas and Naval?
  • Ceramics works in Naval / Calcena / Muel
  • Hospitals for the St. James road in Jaca
  • Toll buildings in Canfranc and Escatron (main tolls in the kingdom)
Regarding some aragonese people, I'll try to compile a list of proposals but it may take me the weekend.
 
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Pavía said:
We currently have content about the Remença War, but we want to expand it to make it more comprehensive and connected to the Catalan Civil War.
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This is definitely pleasing and one of those things that makes me curious about how much Flavor for the countries we've gotten so far is simply unsaid. Torn between wanting to know and wanting to be surprised! But still, it's exciting to confirm that just because something is not covered in Tinto Flavor does not mean it's not in the game. I guess the TF's are more like teasers and appatizers rather than deep dives, which I can understand.
 
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Good breakdown of Aragon.
 
Pavía said:
We haven't shown all the content, just some...
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First of all, great TF!

One suggestion, maybe you could, in the future, for those who didn't catch it earlier for any reason, just add this sentence to avoid 13 different people asking the same question about other content.

Keep up the good work!
 
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Polesie Admiral said:
weird, nothing about the iberian wedding? or it will be depended on the AI\player marrying and enabling the union and not by events?
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We will talk about the Iberian Wedding, the Iberian Union and Spain in due time. ;)
 
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regarding flavour for later game years, not only in Aragon's case but all over; how are those chances balanced? You want to have historical events, I know, and that is great, but what is your approach if it's between historical content and things that would just be weird?

For example, the French Revolution triggers, but you have been a peasants republic for 200 years already. (just as an extreme example)
And another example as weird would be getting PU CB over Austria as Spain when you had nothing to do with each other for the whole game only because of real historical ties (an EU4 mission tree example).
 
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invisibleboatmobile999 said:
Where is the byz flavor they need to have modifiers that allow them to quick integrate the east and culture and religiously convert them back to being Roman it should be part of their government reforms just like their current one for eu4
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HOI4 transplants when Byzantine flavor involves actual Byzantine history and not just a "click to become roman" button:eek::eek:
 
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ArVass said:
The creation/upkeep cost of army units is per capita instead of per unit, right?
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@Oglesby, it has to be per capita - in the Mali TF, the levy units with a size of 100 and the regular unit with a size of 1000 have roughly the same creation and upkeep costs listed, even though the latter is more advanced and ten times as large as the former one. I do still would like a confirmation from Pavía, though.
 
Shouldnt the "Pyrenean Fueros" government reform also have some sort of downside? Consindering it adds +1 possible government reform, it is free in terms of slots thus it has 0 downsides plus the flavour text mentions "limiting royal power" so should it not lower crown power or something like that?

Also in general question about these country flavours, do you have a policy of trying to always have some negative / tradeoffs in the government reforms and laws? It would seem reasonable to be, so that it is not an obvious meta choice and for balance purposes. Advances, since they are permanent and have the opportunity cost of researching something else, I think fair to have them be only positives.
 
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matfer13 said:
What's that expected navy size modifier? I don't think we ever saw that before!
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Kotyk-durkotyk said:
What is the expected navy size? Johan once told that there will be no 'force limits' in PC. Is it something similar?
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I believe is it for prestige and naval control purposes. It is not a 'limit' as bad things if you pass this; but a expected amount as in some negatives if you are blow this. Or at least that is what I am remembering/ how I am interpreting it.

Here is an example of things that happens when not doing the expected thing (in this case spending on the court).
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First of all, we have the Cost of the Court. This is something that is directly correlated to the economic base of your country, and if you spend less gold than expected, your legitimacy, or equivalent applicable government power, will decrease over time, and the more you spend, the more legitimacy can increase.
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Here is an example where an expected army size exists and changes over time.
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In every age, the amount of gold you pay for your raised levies will increase, and the size of the army you are expected to have increases.
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eddin2 said:
First of all, great TF!

One suggestion, maybe you could, in the future, for those who didn't catch it earlier for any reason, just add this sentence to avoid 13 different people asking the same question about other content.

Keep up the good work!
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(They did, it is in the end of the TF. Pavía literally says "and much more, but that's it for today"; in fact, they have explained this in pretty much every previous TF)
 
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matfer13 said:
But is Catalonian part of the Pyrenean culture group too? Otherwise I don't understand how they have access to the Fueros reform
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Because Aragonese is an accepted culture of the country, giving it access to the reform.
 
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Does the shared map of the Building-based polities mean that multiple cannot exist withing the same location?

Pyrenean Fueros, a Government Reform, has an effect "Possible Government Reforms +1". Do we need an empty slot to 'add' Pyrenean Fueros or can it be added into the location it adds?
 
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