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Tinto Flavour #6 - 14th of February 2025 - Bohemia

Hello, and welcome one more week to Tinto Flavour, the happy Friday when we take a look at the content of the new, super-secret Project Caesar. Today we will be travelling to the Kingdom of Bohemia, a charming place that is worth setting video games in…:

"Charles IV, King of Bohemia and Holy Roman Emperor, had a long and successful reign…

The lands of Bohemia are a territory inhabited by Slavs in the heart of the Germanic Holy Roman Empire. After a long period under the Přemyslid dynasty, the current de Luxembourg rulers may tighten the ties the country has with the Empire, although King Jehan the Blind de Luxembourg is more Francien than German, having been educated in the royal court of Paris.

Keeping both the Nobility and the common folk satisfied under a foreign King, and navigating the political intricacies of the Holy Roman Empire will prove a hurdle for anybody. Fortunately, Bohemia is a strong Kingdom, but will it succeed in its ambitions?"

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As usual, please consider the UI, 2D and 3D art as WIP.

Here you have the lands of Bohemia, Moravia and Silesia:
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You might notice some location and country changes… More about that at the end of this post!

Bohemia starts in a very interesting diplomatic situation:
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From top to bottom: Rivals, Enemies (Rivals are the countries chosen by the player, while Enemies are the countries that chose our country as a Rival), Wars, Embargos, Subjects, and Alliances.

Here is a clearer view using the Diplomatic map mode:
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Jehan ‘the Blind’ is Count of Luxembourg, his inherited and main title; King of Bohemia, after his marriage with Elizabeth Přemyslid, the last princess of that dynasty; and Duke of Wrocław and overlord of Silesia, after his agreement with King Casimir III of Poland on the Treaty of Trentschin, in 1335. His heir is his son Charles, who rules over Moravia. You can also notice that Lower Bavaria is your ally, and all the countries involved in the ongoing Teuton-Polish War. As usual, take the map as WIP, as we’ve already internally discussed that the colouring needs to be improved, to portray better the diplomatic situation shown above.

Bohemia starts with a unique government reform, the ‘Bohemian Commonwealth’:
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It also has a couple of unique Estate Privilege. The ‘Inaugural Diplomas’ were granted by King Jehan in 1311, after he acceded to the throne:
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While ‘Ius Teutonicum’ is a privilege for the Commoners, it represents the German settlements across the country:
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This privilege can be coupled with the ‘Invite German Settlers’ that we mentioned in Tinto Flavour #1, making for a strong combination if you want to grow the population of your country.

As a side note, the Parliament of Bohemia has a flavour name, that we added following your feedback in Tinto Talks #41:
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Let’s take a look at some of the unique advances of Bohemia, now. The first unlocks a unique unit, the ‘Wagenburg’:
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We also have advances for later ages, such as the famous ‘Bohemian Crystal’ in the Age of Discovery, or ‘Bohemian Thaler’ in the Age of Reformation:
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Let’s take a look now at the narrative content for Bohemia because it is very interesting. The main historical event of the period probably is the Hussite Wars, which we’re representing with a Situation:
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The situation may trigger around 1400, with this event initiating it:
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These are the two options:
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If the player selects the first, Bohemia will convert to Hussitism:
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Jan Hus will be a character appearing in the game and founding this religion, but we will talk about him in a future Tinto Flavour devoted to another situation, the ‘Western Schism’.

The Pope will be able to declare a Crusade to restore Catholicism in Bohemia with a follow-up event, and the Hussite Wars will start after that:

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I triggered the situation from the console, so we obviously have some weird behaviors here with the countries called to arms, the leaders, etc.; please take this panel as a ‘template’ of how the situation will look like when triggered organically in a regular gameplay.

Apart from the side of the situation (Defender of Rome and Defenders of Bohemia), and their respective leaders, there are a few actions that can be performed by Bohemia through the situation:
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The currency that you have to pay to perform these actions is called ‘Religious Influence’. We will talk more about it in the future Tinto Talks devoted to Catholic and Protestant religions.

More content and events will trigger during the situation. And, finally, these are the conditions that may end the Situation, either with a Catholic or a Hussite victory:
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The 30 years that the situation may last is subject to future balance, as usual.

Let’s take a look now at some of the Bohemian Dynamic Historical Events:

‘Maiestas Carolina’ is an event that unlocks a unique policy of the same name for the Legal Code law, if the first option is selected:
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There will be the option to found a University in Prague:
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And also to sponsor an artist to craft a new fancy crown:
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You may notice that King Jehan wears a fancy, new crown, compared with the previous event. The name of the country will also change to ‘Crown of Bohemia’, and the ‘Crown of Saint Wenceslas’ will be created as a ‘Regalia’ work of art.

Last, but not least, I think that I might be willing to get a cold beer after this Tinto Flavour:
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Pivo, prosím!

…And much more content will be available for Bohemia, but that’s all for today! I won’t be available for the replies, but my fellow coworker @Roger Corominas will be replying instead of me. For next week, we will have the HRE Tinto Maps Feedback on Monday, and next Friday’s Tinto Flavour country will be Bavaria. Cheers!
 

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Are events scripted to only affect specific countries opinion of you or do some events work in a radius? Since there are so many countries, if you opt to change religions via an event, it should technically affect the opinion of 50+ catholic countries next to you in the HRE.
 
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Few questions:
1) What determines ones primary title?
2) IIRC, there are some Přemyslids left in Silesia, how plausible is it to get one of them on your throne?
3) Relatedly, how does Bohemian succession work? Traditionally Bohemia had something like an elective monarchy as I understand, is that represented in-game?
4) If Luxembourg held on to the Bohemian Crown and managed to integrate it as the senior partner, would they keep the electorate (and get at least some Bohemian flavour?)
 
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This is currently how we have it, as the war was technically still ongoing. However, we are always open to iterations and reviews.
I can understand someone arguing that the war between Poland and TeutKn was still ongoing, but if that's how you treat it, then Bohemia definitely "peaced-out" of it.
You yourself acknowledge the treaty of 1335 (also: Congress of Visegrad the same year slightly modified Treaty of Trentschin).
In Visegrad they also signed an alliance (against Habsburgs), also with Hungary, and discussed marriage between members of the royal family. Can you be at war with someone and have an alliance with them at the same time?
 
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I admit I’m not an expert in Czech history, but I have a couple of notes.

- Will there be flavour for the League of Lords? Feels very relevant to early game Bohemia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Lords
- Why does Hussitism instantly become the official religion of Bohemia? I’m pretty sure that’s not what historically happened. Shouldn’t it be more of a civil war that other countries get involved in? Then again, it’s hard to create flavour for the complex chain of events regarding Wenceslas’ and Sigismund’s reigns…
 
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Here I will give my opinion regarding the Hussites (Maybe I should wait for the Tinto faith), but I hope it allows for a "very early reformation" as well as a "late reformation", deep down the Hussites were those who disagreed with the church and how it used its power, so it would make sense that a victorious Hussites would cause neighboring countries that were dissatisfied with the pope to align with them and eventually convert (maybe causing another crusade or something like "The second schism of Christianity"), I even see that with enough support an IO of the Hussite church could be created to centralize the dogmas and thus increase the cohesion of the faithful (There should be a way to go from Husism to Catholicism since the former did not actively seek to separate from Catholic dogma), thus making Hussite countries more reluctant to return to Catholicism. On the other hand having a later reformation would make sense since at first it would look better to reform the Hussites than the Protestants, causing Protestantism to advance with much less force by having "another option", but in the end there should be a reformation and it should consider its approach to the other Christian denominations (either seeking support or fighting against them as well), I just don't want the stupidity of EU4 where literally the Hussites have the option where they automatically become fanatics of Luther when they should rather be more resistant to the reformation, by living outside the religious framework that caused the reformation in the first place (In any case it would be much more likely the other way around).
 
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There are some mistakes in names of Silesian duchies, that were already pointed out in the Poland Tinto Maps Feedback thread.

Should I wait patiently, as fixing that is on the to-do list, or should I repeat it/point out where it is, as it got lost in the long thread?
 
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1. I would change the "Death to catholicism!" in the Hussite wars event to something else. The Hussites considered themselves catholics, so they would not say that. I am not sure what would they say though. Maybe "Death to *name of current pope".
2. Until when does Bohemia get flavour content? They formed a personal union with Hungary and Austria since early 16th century and at some points even earlier, but since personal unions are now much more nuanced, I think they should be considered worth of flavour at least until the battle of the white mountain in 1620.
3. The crown of saint Wenceslas was only used for coronations as far as I am aware of and than it was placed on the skull of saint Wenceslas for the rest of the reign, so it is not very realistic to show the king wearing it on regular basis.
1. We may consider different wording for it.
2. I has flavor for all the duration of the game.
3. We can't have the king wearing only for coronation unfortunately, so for it to be visible we have to make it be always worn.
 
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Not a huge fan of the (wip I'm guessing) bright red line that surrounds Poland. I'm guessing that's to show that you are at war against them, but it currently doesn't look great.
 
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1. This is Wroclaw
2. The flag of Upper Bavaria is actually the coat of arms of the Wittlesbach dynasty
1-I know that, I meant the type/kind of vassal since the icon is a bit different from the others
2-Why? That's a weird decision since it's more appropriate as the flag of a united Bavaria amd there are better choices;
This one here is better
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it was used for the Palatinate too but the Rhine had another variant Coa and eventually flags too
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And if you think that that the first one is too similar to the banner of Munich Bavaria then just use the modern Coa
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I admit I’m not an expert in Czech history, but I have a couple of notes.

- Will there be flavour for the League of Lords? Feels very relevant to early game Bohemia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Lords
- Why does Hussitism instantly become the official religion of Bohemia? I’m pretty sure that’s not what historically happened. Shouldn’t it be more of a civil war that other countries get involved in? Then again, it’s hard to create flavour for the complex chain of events regarding Wenceslas’ and Sigismund’s reigns…
Skimming over the historical events, the rise of Hussites should probably be an event chain, roughly going like this:

1. Jan Hus starts preaching, starting a schism and quickly converting pops
2. Council of Constance and death of Jan Hus
3. protestatio Bohemorum
4. Rapid growth of Hussites, the town of Tabor is founded, growing unrest across Bohemia
5. The first (of many) Defenestration of Prague
6. King of Bohemia dies (of unrelated causes?), Prague falls to the rebellion
7. Civil war erupts between the catholics and hussites
8. Pope intervenes in support of the catholic King and proclaims a crusade, while Hussites are led by a regency

But that’s just my idea, it might not need to be this detailed, and I’m still not an expert on the subject. But this feels more immersive than ”click button to become Hussite”
 
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What a čarming man!


Embargo on Austria? Nice to see such a "reference" to the 1335 congress of Visegrád! I assume Poland and Hungary will start with this embargo too, then?


I really do hope Hungary will have something similar to these two, given the unusually high amount of cultural minorities with special rights and contributions (Saxon, Székely, Cuman, Jász seats etc.)


Will other countries have access to Wagenburgs too under certain circumstances? For example the armies of Hussites outside Bohemia, but the armies of John and Matthias Hunyadi and the Black Army loved to utilize wagenburgs as well.


Hussites, Hussite armies, factions and rebels will appear outside of Bohemia too, right?


Love that background art! I'm not entirely sure why Jan Hus has the Rosenberg coat of arms, though.


(Btw if the Holy Crown of Hungary doesn't get a unique Work of Art and model like that I am going to riot)


...and my next line would have been "if Bohemia doesn't get Beer events, I'm going to riot", but my wishes have been fulfilled!
You should perhaps add such events for whichever location Český Krumlov and Budejovice are in aswell, just sayin' ;')
1. There's specific things of the congress of Visegrad for Hungary and Poland
2. Hungary has other things
3. Wagenburg is exclusive for Bohemia
4. Once Hussitism has spawned, it's free to spread
5. That's actually not Jan Hus ;)
 
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Will the Luxembourg dynasty receive some help obtaining the emperor title ? Charles the IVth of Luxembourg son of Jean, king of Bohemia and emperor of the HRE is one of the most powerful leader of this timeperiod. The dynasty was also able to secure other thrones such as the Hungarian throne etc...

Also what about the 30YW ? Will the third defenestration lead to a big religious war ?
At the start of the game, Bohemia is the most powerful inside the HRE, so they're almost guaranteed to get the emperorship at some point.
 
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