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Tinto Maps #24 - 25th of October - Japan and Korea

Hello and welcome once more to another week of Tinto Maps. This week we are going to the lands even further to the East and taking a look at Korea and Japan. So, without further ado, let’s get started.

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Korea during the Goryeo dynasty was under the orbit of Yuán, and had very close ties with it, with the Yuán emperors taking Korean wives. The north, though, and also Tamna in the Jeju island wouldn’t be unified under Korea until the following Joseon dynasty, so they are still separated although all of them also under Yuán. On the other side, Japan starts in a very interesting situation. After a failed attempt to overthrow the shogunate and restore imperial power during the Kenmu restoration, one of the generals that contributed to such restoration, Ashikaga Takauji, in the end established his own shogunate in 1336 (just before the start of the game). The emperor had then to flee the capital and thus we start with the period of the Northern and Southern Courts, with two opposing Emperors and the shogun fighting for legitimacy. So, although it appears unified at first glance, Japan hides many internal divisions within (more on that later). Further South, the kingdom of Ryūkyū is not yet unified, so the three mountain kingdoms of Hokuzan, Chūzan and Nanzan vie for supremacy over the island.

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Basically already shown in the Manchuria Tinto Maps, but they need to be shown here too, especially the Ainu.

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As it happens in China, the “Goryeo dynasty” name is actually not the name of the dynasty itself, which is actually the house of Wang.

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Provinces
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Here (as well as with the areas next) we have tried to follow the administrative division of both countries in period, but we’ve had to make some adjustments. In Korea, we had to account for the fact that historically, almost immediately after the start of the game the Josen dynasty took over and the administrative divisions are somewhat different, so we’ve adjusted them together (and had to divide some of the bigger provinces for gameplay reasons). In Japan, the administrative divisions remained virtually unchanged since the establishment of the Ritsuryō system in the 7-8th century until after the Meiji restoration in 1868. However, we still had to make some adjustments, and the smaller ones had to unfortunately disappear.

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Terrain
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Very mountainous and forested areas both, so the few plains have to be taken the most advantage of.

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Not bad developed areas, but obviously development decreases the further north it goes.

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Cultures
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Korea is mainly Korean, and Japan has been divided into four main groups. Besides this, we also have Ainu in the north, Jeju in Jeju island and Ryūkyū in the Ryūkyū islands.

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Korea has the same (name pending) religion as China while Japan is Shintō. I must say that this Shintō is not at all considered to be a Kami-exclusively-oriented Shintō nor the post-Meiji State Shintō in any shape or form. In all effects, it is considered under the Buddhism umbrella and it is treated as Buddhist Shintō, while of course including some different mechanics and references to the Kami too. The name Shintō was chosen basically because it’s more recognizable and identifiable with Japan. Besides this, there’s also the Ainu religion for the Ainu, and the Utaki religion for the Ryūkyū.

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Not bad areas for resources, and plenty of rice and fish in Japan to get good sushi. The more observant of you will see that the resources of Hokkaido have already been adjusted thanks to feedback from the previous Manchuria Tinto Maps.

Markets
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Some may find surprising the presence of Izumi as a Market in Japan, but it is the area that served as the main point of entrance for commerce into central Japan, where the merchant town of Sakai developed, until later Osaka developed under Toyotomi and basically took over that function.

Population
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Not much to say here, except that quite a bit of population waiting for some action.

Extraterritorial Countries
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I’m sure many of you were waiting for this. The samurai clans in Japan are represented as Extraterritorial Countries, and we have tried to be as close as possible to their distribution of territory in 1337. As you can imagine, that is not an easy task, and some more tweaking is needed, so if you have any feedback or extra info on that regard it would be much appreciated. Unfortunately, there’s some overlapping of some clans on the same territory and only one name can be shown at a time, so not all names are visible (the Oda clan is still there, I promise), but there are a total of 143 clans (not counting Ashikaga), plus two extra for each of the imperial courts that are present at start. Related to this, each clan will pledge its allegiance to either the northern or the southern court, mainly based on their historical allegiances but allowing a bit of leeway (and those allegiances don’t necessarily have to be permanent). So, as a bit of an extra tease, these are the allegiances of the clans at start (yellow are the north court supporters, blue are the southern court ones, and again keep in mind that only one color can be present even if there’s more than one clan with different allegiances in the same location)
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And that is all for today. Next week there will not be any Tinto Maps due to being a bank holiday, so next one will be in two weeks for a look further south into South East Asia. See you there.
 
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Great work, but I have a question. Why is Jeju one single location? It has potentially its own culture and tag, so why not splitting it in a bunch of locations and make it a single province? The size (1800 km²) also allows for a much more granular splitting, considering that smaller islands have been splitted in this same region. Am I missing something?
 
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Great work, but I have a question. Why is Jeju one single location? It has potentially its own culture and tag, so why not splitting it in a bunch of locations and make it a single province? The size (1800 km²) also allows for a much more granular splitting, considering that smaller islands have been splitted in this same region. Am I missing something?
We have a discussion about all the islands on the previous page, in case you missed it:
 
I can’t wait for the map of Australia and New Zealand , which if you want it to be fully accurate for Australia, there were 250 clans in Australia , if there’s a few I’d be happy but I’d literally probably complain on reddit and probably pdx forums if Australia is blank, plus the clans should be able to go to war against each other, trade with each other and northern part of Australia was known for trading with places in Indonesia and nearby islands , as for New Zealand they should be very warlike and were known for eating their dead enemies (only time they ate human flesh)
 
Yup, and I want to ask a think about italy: is pantelleria (between sicily and tunisia) a separate location? It doesn't look like that, but the raw materials map mode hints at that by assigning fish to pantelleria, while no location close to it in sicily produces fish. In Tunisia they do, but pantelleria is clearly part of a sicilian province.
 
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[Feedback Reconstructing the Location and Provinces of the Korean Peninsula]

This proposal is a reconstruction feedback of locations and provinces on the Korean Peninsula.


In fact, these suggestions may be liked or disliked by some people. (because more locations have been added than before)

But at the end of the day this isn't a "compulsion," it's just a "suggestion" (hopefully it doesn't overheat too much)

Still, this is my first time making a map like this, so I had to invest a lot of time, so I hope you like it overall :)

Also, I am not good at English, so please understand that English sentences can be awkward :)


Then I'll start.


- Regarding the restructuring of locations and provinces in Korean Peninsula, I would like to make the following suggestions.


- 한반도의 위치 및 지방 재편과 관련하여 저의 제안 입니다.



High Definition Goryeo Full Map


Areas


Provinces


Locations


Provinces ver.2

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Locations and Provinces were based on a map of Joseon's administrative districts.

In fact, it is inconvenient to create a location based on the administrative districts of Goryeo, and I don't think it is appropriate to create a location based on the administrative districts of Goryeo, as Goryeo only existed for 60 years after the game began in 1337.


(The administrative districts of the Joseon Dynasty were built based on the topography of the Korean Peninsula and are still widely used today.)

location와 Provinces 는 조선의 행정구역 지도를 토대로 만들었습니다.

사실 고려의 행정구역을 토대로 만들기에는 그것은 불편함이 많고 또한 1337년 게임이 시작하고 60년 밖에 사용되지 않기에 적절하지 않다고 생각합니다.

(조선시대의 행정구역은 한반도의 지형을 토대로 만들어져 오늘날까지 널리 사용되고 있습니다.)




Here are some of the details.


자세한 내용은 다음과 같습니다。





Honam Feedback

- First, Naju, Namwon, Jeonju.-


-가장먼저 나주、 남원、 전주입니다. -


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Called "Honam" during the Joseon Dynasty, it was the most important granary on the Korean Peninsula and the most densely populated area than the rest of the peninsula.

Therefore, I recommend that this area be divided into four from the existing three Provinces.


조선시대에서 "호남"이라고 불렸던 이 지역은 한반도에서 가장 중요한 곡창지대로서 한반도의 다른 지역 보다 인구 밀도가 가장 높은 지역이었습니다.

따라서 저는 이 지역을 기존 3개의 provinces 에서 4개의 provinces 로 나누기를 권합니다.

-The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-

- locations 및 provinces 재편은 다음과 같습니다.-


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- The names for each location are as follows.

- 각 위치별 이름은 다음과 같습니다。


Jeonju (전주)

1Okgu옥구
2Geumma금마
3Gosan고산
4Gimje김제
5Jeonju전주
6Buan부안
7Jeongeup정읍
8Gochang고창

Namwon (남원)

1Geumju금주
2jinan진안
3Mupung무풍
4Imsil임실
5Jangsu장수
6Sunchang순창
7Namwon남원

Naju (나주)

1Yeonggwang영광
2Jangseong장성
3Damyang담양
4Hampung함풍
5Hwapyeong화평
6Muan무안
7Naju나주
8Hwasun화순
9Yeongam영암
10Jindo진도
11Hamnam해남
12Gangjin강진
13Jangheung장흥

Suncheon (순천)

1Gokseong곡성
2Gurye구례
3Suncheon순천
4Gwangyang광양
5Boseong보성
6Goheung고흥
7Yeosu여수



Yeongnam Feedback

- Second Daegu, Andong, Dongnae, Jinju.

- 다음으로 대구、 안동、동래、 진주입니다。


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This region is called "Yeongnam" in Joseon, and like the Honam region, it was an important granary and served as a center of trade with Japan and a gateway to exchanges with Japan.

Therefore, I recommend that this area be divided into five from the existing four Provinces.

해당 지역은 조선에서 "영남"이라고 불리는 지역으로 이 지역을 호남과 마찬가지로 중요한 곡창지대이며 대일 무역의 중심지이자 대일교류의 관문으로써의 역할을 수행했습니다.

따라서 저는 이 지역을 기존 4개의 Provinces에서 5개의 Provinces 로 나누기를 권합니다。

-The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-

- locations 및 provinces 재편은 다음과 같습니다.-


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- The names for each location are as follows.

- 각 위치별 이름은 다음과 같습니다.



Jinju (진주)

1Hamyang함양
2Geochang고창
3Gangseong강성
4Hapju합주
5Uiryeong의령
6Hadong하동
7Jinju진주
8Saju사주
9Goseong고성
10Namhae남해

Dongrae (동래)

1Changnyeong창녕
2Milseong밀성
3Ulju울주
4Haman해남
5Uichang의창
6Gimhae김해
7Yangsan양산
8Dongrae동래
9Geoje거제

Gyerim (계림)

1Yeongyang영양
2Yeonghae영해
3Cheongbu청부
4Cheongha청하
5Yeongju영주
6Gyerim계림
7Yeonil연일

H - Daegu (대구)

1Gimsan김산
2Seonju선주
3Uiheung의흥
4Indong인동
5Gyeongsan경산
6Hyeonpung함풍
7Daegu대구
8Goryeong고령
9Cheongdo청도

Sangju (상주)

1Bonghwa봉화
2Giju기주
3Yean연안
4Imha임하
5Bokju복주
6Boju보주
7Mungyeong문경
8Sangju상주
9Biok비옥



Hoseo Feedback

- Next is Hongju 、 Gongju、 Chungju (the western part of Chungju Provins).-

-다음으로 홍주、 공주、충주(충주 프로빈스의 서쪽지역) 입니다. -



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The region is called "Hoseo" in Joseon, an important transportation hub and the third most people lived on the Korean Peninsula.

Therefore, I recommend adding the Chungju Provins western part of this area and reorganizing the Gongju Provins into 2 Provins, total of 4 Provins.


해당 지역은 조선에서 "호서"라고 불리는 지역으로 중요한 교통의 요충지로 한반도에서 세번째로 많은 사람들이 살았던 지역입니다.

따라서 저는 이 지역의 충주 프로빈스 서부 지역을 더하고 Gongju 프로빈스를 2개의 프로빈스로 나눠서, 총 4개 프로빈스로 재구성할것은 추천합니다.

-The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-

- locations 및 provinces 재편은 다음과 같습니다.-


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- The names for each location are as follows.

- 각 위치별 이름은 다음과 같습니다.


Hongju (홍주)
1Taean태안
2Dangjin당진
3Aju아주
4Deokpung덕풍
5Hongju홍주
6Cheongyang청양
7Nampo남포
8Buyeo부여
9Hanju한주

Gongju (공주)
1Cheonan천안
2Gongju공주
3Yeongi연기
4Hoedeok회덕
5Deokeun덕은

Cheongju (청주)

1Jincheon진천
2Cheongju청주
3Boeun보은
4Okju옥주
5Yeongdong영동

Chungju (충주)

1Eumseong음성
2Goeju괴주
3Chungju청주
4Jeju제주
5Danyang단양



Kwandong Feedback

And before we move on...

그리고 다음으로 넘어가기 전에...

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Why is this locations (Ulleung) empty?

어째서 이곳(Ulleung)은 비어있을까요?

This is Ulleung, an area where people have lived since before the Goryeo Dynasty.

The island's history dates back to the days when Goguryeo, Baekje, and Silla existed.

To be precise, in 512 it was recorded that General Isabu of Silla conquered Usanguk (the country that was on Ulleungdo Island) and later paid tribute to Silla.

이 locations는 Ulleung 으로 고려시대 이전부터 사람이 살던 지역입니다.

이 섬의 역사는 고구려, 백제, 신라가 존재하던 시기부터 거슬러 올라갑니다.

정확히는 512년에 신라의 장군 이사부가 우산국(울릉도에 존재했던 국가)을 정벌했고 이후 조공을 바쳤다는 것으로 역사서에 등장했습니다.

[In the summer of June 512, the 13th year of the reign of 于, Usanguk surrendered and decided to offer local products as tribute every year. Usanguk is an island in the sea east of 溟 and is sometimes called Ulleungdo. The land is 100 ri in all directions, and he did not surrender, believing that the land was rough. Lee Chan (伊湌), a different 斯夫, became the monarch of 何瑟羅, saying, "The people of the Umbrella State are stupid and fierce, so it is difficult to subjugate them by force, but they can be subjugated by deception." So, they made many wooden lions, distributed them to the 船, and when they reached the country's coast, they falsely said, "If you don't surrender, I will release this fierce beast and step on it to kill you." The people of the country were afraid and soon surrendered.

Volume 4 of "Samguk Sagi" and "Silla Bonki" 4 13 years between Jijeung Ma-rip]

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There are also records from the Goryeo Dynasty.

또한 고려시대의 기록도 존재합니다.

In the early 14th century, people still lived on Ulleung Island during the Goryeo Dynasty. Records show that in the 10th century, Usanguk, a country on Ulleung Island, dispatched envoys to Goryeo, causing some people to take official positions in Goryeo. According to one record, "The Usanguk saw its agriculture decline due to the invasion of the Jurchens in the northeast, so Goryeo sent Yiwon-gu to provide farming equipment."
— Goryeo History (Koryeosa))

14세기 초 고려 초기에도 여전히 울릉도에는 사람들이 살고 있었습니다. 기록에 따르면 10세기에 울릉도의 우산국이 고려에 사신을 보내면서 일부 사람들이 고려에 공식적인 직책을 맡게 되었다고 합니다. 한 기록에 따르면 "우산국은 동북부 여진족의 침략으로 농업이 쇠퇴하여 고려가 이원구를 보내 농기구를 제공했다"고 합니다
— 고려사 (고려사)


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There are also records discussing how to deal with people who fled to Ulleung Island to avoid taxes in the early Joseon Dynasty, and records of Goryeo's efforts to settle on the island for further development in the 12th century. The reason there were no people living on Ulleung Island was because of the policy of relocating people who lived on Joseon's remote islands to the mainland in the early 15th century, which began to live again in the late 16th century and is currently home to about 9,169 residents.


조선 초기 세금을 피해 울릉도로 피난 온 사람들을 어떻게 처리해야 하는지 논의한 기록과 12세기 고려가 추가 개발을 위해 섬에 정착하기 위해 노력한 기록이 있습니다. 울릉도에 사람이 살지 않은 이유는 15세기 초 조선의 외딴 섬에 살던 사람들을 본토로 이주시키는 정책 때문이었는데, 16세기 후반부터 다시 사람들이 거주하기 시작하여 현재 약 9,169명의 주민이 거주하고 있습니다.



Let's go back to the main topic...

그럼 다시 본론으로 돌아와서...

-Next is Gangneung 、 South Chuncheon 、 North Chuncheon 、 Chungju (the eastern part of Chungju Provins).-

-다음으로 강릉、 남춘천、 북춘천、충주(충주 프로빈스의 동쪽지역) 입니다.

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The region was called "Kwandong" in Joseon, and although there are many forest resources due to the large number of mountainous terrain, it is an area where the fewest people on the Korean Peninsula lived due to the rough terrain.


Therefore, I recommend that you keep the existing four provinces in this area, including the eastern Provines area of Chungju Provines.


해당 지역은 조선에서 "관동"이라고 부르던 지역으로 산악지형이 많아 산림자원은 많으나, 지형이 험한 까닭에 한반도에서 가장 적은 사람들이 살던 지역입니다.


따라서 저는 이 지역에서 충주 provinces의 동쪽 프로빈스 지역을 포함해 기존의 4개의 provinces로 유지할 것을 권합니다。


– The locations and provinces restructure is as follows. –

— locations 및 provinces 재편은 다음과 같습니다. —

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- The names for each location are as follows.

- 각 위치별 이름은 다음과 같습니다。


Myeongju (명주)
1Tongju통주
2Ganseong간성
3Ikryeong익령
4Myeongju명주
5Samcheok삼척
6Uljin울진
7Ulleung울릉

Wonju (원주)
1Wonju원주
2Hoengcheon횡천
3Pyeongchang평창
4Chimbong침봉
5Yeongwol영월


Chunju (춘주)
1Nangcheon낭천
2Yanggu양구
3Chunju춘주
4Hongcheon홍천
5Inje인제
6Seohwa서화

Cheolwon (철원)
1Icheon이천
2Pyeonggang평강
3Cheolwon철원
4Gimhwa김화
5Doyeong도영
6Hoeyang회양
7Jangyang장양



Gyeonggi Feedback

- Next is Hanseong. -

- 다음으로 한성입니다。-


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The region was the capital area of the Joseon Dynasty, which was commonly called "Gyeonggi." It also included Gaegyeong, the capital city of the Goryeo Dynasty. The Gyeonggi region was the traditional capital area of the Goryeo and Joseon Dynasty, and was a center of commerce and distribution of logistics linking the northern and southern regions of the Korean Peninsula.

Therefore, I would recommend that you divide this province from the existing 1 province to 2 provinces.



해당 지역은 조선의 수도권 지역으로 일반적으로 ”경기“라고 부르던 지역입니다。 고려시대의 수도 개경이 포함된 지역이기도 합니다. 경기지역은 고려시대와 조선시대의 전통적인 수도권으로 상업의 중심지임과 동시에 한반도의 북부지역과 남부지역를 잇는 물류 유통의 중심지였습니다.

따라서 저는 이 지역에서 원래 1개의 지방에서 2개의 지방으로 나눌 것을 권합니다.


-The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-

- locations 및 provinces 재편은 다음과 같습니다.-


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- The names for each location are as follows.

- 각 위치별 이름은 다음과 같습니다.


Suwon (수원)
1Inju인주
2Ansan안산
3Namyang남양
4Suwon수원
5Jinwi진위
6Anseong안성
7Yonggu용구
8Gwangju광주
9Ikhaw익화
10Yeoheung며흥
11Yeongchang영창

Gaeseong (개성)
1Gaeseong개성
2Jangdan장단
3Saknyeong삭녕
4Poju포주
5Gapyeong가평
6Yangju양주
7Gyeonju견주
8Gyoha교화
9Hanyang한양
10GTongjin통진
11JGanghwa강화



Haeseo Feedback

- Next is Haeju, Gaeseong. -

-다음으로 해주、개성 입니다。-



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The region used to be called "Haeseo" in the Joseon Dynasty, and has a suitable fishery resource and a moderate population.

Therefore, I recommend that you keep this region as the existing two Provins, but reconstruct the boundaries of each Provins.

해당 지역은 조선시대 “해서”라고 부르던 지역으로 적당한 수산 자원이 있으며, 인구는 적당한 수준인 지역 입니다.

따라서 저는 이 지역을 기존의 2개의 프로빈스로 유지하되 각 프로빈스의 경계를 재구성할것을 권합니다.



- The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-

- locations 및 provinces 재편은 다음과 같습니다.-


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- The names for each location are as follows.

- 각 위치별 이름은 다음과 같습니다.


Haeju (해주)
1Anak안악
2Eunyul은율
3Pungju풍진
4Jangyeon장연
5Ongjin옹진
6Gangryeong강령
7Byeokseong벽성
8sinju신주
9Jaeryeong재령
10Haeju해주
11Yeonan연안

Hwangju (황주)
1Hwangju황주
2Bongju봉주
3Pyeongju평주
4Ubong우봉
5Seoheung서흥
6sineun신은
7Suju수주
8Gokju곡주
9Iryeong이령



Gwanseo Feedback

- Next is Seogyeong, North Seogyeong, Uiju, Ganggye -

-다음으로 서경、북서경、 의주、 강계 입니다. -

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The region was called "Gwanseo" during the Joseon Dynasty and was a military hub where military power was concentrated as a key point for the defense of the north. In particular, Pyongyang-Seogyeong and Uiju in the Gwanseo area were the second most populous cities after the capital of the Joseon Dynasty.

Therefore, I recommend that you keep this area as four existing provinces, but reconstruct the boundaries of each provinces.



해당 지역은 조선시대 “관서”라고 부르던 지역으로 북방 방위의 요충지로 군사력이 집중되었던 군사적 요충지였습니다. 특히 관서지역의 평양-서경과 의주는 조선시대 수도 다음으로 인구가 많던 도시입니다.

따라서 저는 이 지역을 기존의 4개의 provinces로 유지하되 각 provinces의 경계를 재구성할것을 권합니다.


-The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-

- locations 및 provinces 재편은 다음과 같습니다.-


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- The names for each location are as follows.

- 각 위치별 이름은 다음과 같습니다.


Pyeongyang (평양)

1Hamjong함종
2Yonggang용강
3Gangseo강서
4Pyeongyang평양
5Junghwa중화
6Gangdong강동
7Seongju성주
8Sudeok수덕
9Yangam양암

Anju (안주)

1Sukju숙주
2Anju안주
3Gaeju개주
4Jaju자주
5Sunju순주
6Deokju덕주
7Maengju맹주
8Yeongwon영원
9Taebaek태백

Uiju (의주)

1Uiju의주
2Yongju용주
3Cheolju철주
4Tongju통주
5Jeongju정주
6Gaju가주
7Yeonju연주
8Geomsan금산
9Unju온주
10Taeju태주
11Gwiju귀주
12Sakju삭주
13Changju창주
14Byeokdan벽단

Ganggye (강계)

1songsang송상
2Huiju희주
3Sinpung신풍
4Yongrim용림
5Jeoncheon전천
6Isan이산
7Wiwon위원
8Gonggwi공귀
9Ganggye강계
10Jaseong자성
11Yeoyeon여연
12Muchang무창



Gwanbuk Feedback

- Next is Hwaju, Hamheung, Gapsan, Gyeongseong -

-다음으로 화주、함흥、 갑산、 경성입니다。-

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It was called "Gwanbuk" during the Joseon Dynasty, and like Gwanseo, it was an important area for northern defense. In addition, the area had a lot of mountainous terrain, so it was an area where fishing was developed based on abundant forest resources and abundant fishery resources.

Therefore, I recommend that you keep this area as four existing provinces, but reconstruct the boundaries of each provinces.


해당 지역은 조선시대 “관북“이라고 부르던 지역으로 관서 지역과 마찬가지로 북방 방위의 요충지였습니다。 또한 이 지역은 산악 지형이 많아 풍부한 풍부한 산림 자원과 동해안을 접해 풍부한 수산 자원을 바탕으로 어업이 발달한 지역이었습니다。

따라서 저는 이 지역을 기존의 4개의 provinces로 유지하되 각 provinces의 경계를 재구성할것을 권합니다.


-The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-

-locations 및 provinces 재편은 다음과 같습니다.-

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- The names for each location are as follows.


- 각 위치별 이름은 다음과 같습니다.

Hwaju (화주)


1Hoengcheon횡천
2Hwaju화주
3Goju고주
4Munju문주
5Yongju용주
6Yeongpung영풍
7Anbyeon안변

Hamheung (함흥)

1Cheonjeong천정
2Oro오로
3Hamheung함흥
4Gocheon고창
5Hongwon홍원
6Igok이곡
7Samsal삼살
8Iseong이성
9Dokrool독로올
10Duil두일

Gyeongseong (경성)

1Samjang삼장
2Musan무샤
3Hoeryeong회령
4Jongseong종섯
5Onseong온성
6Gyeongheung경흥
7Anhwa안화
8Buryeong부령
9Gyeongseong경성
10Jueul주을
11Myeongcheon명천
12Hago하고
13Gilju길주
14Seongjin성진

Y - Musan (무산)

1Jangjin장진
2Bujeon부전
3Nangrim낭림
4Samsu삼수
5Hyesan혜산
6Gapju갑주
7Heocheon회천




Tamna Feedback

- Next is Tamna. -

-다음으로 탐라 입니다。-


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The area used to be called "Tamna" during the Goryeo Dynasty and "Jeju" during the Joseon Dynasty. It was an island that existed as a kind of country, moving between independence and dependency relationship from the time when Goguryeo, Baekje, and Silla existed until the early Goryeo Dynasty. Therefore, the area developed its own culture, which was different from the mainland (the Korean Peninsula). It was also the area where horses were raised under the influence of Mongolia.

Therefore, I recommend that this location be divided into one "Tamna" province and two to three locations in total, separating from the existing Naju province.


해당 지역은 고려시대에 “탐라”、 조선시대의 “제주”라고 부르던 지역입니다. 이 섬은 고구려、백제、 신라가 존재하던 시대부터 고려시대 초기에 이르기까지 독립과 종속관계를 오가며 일종의 국가로서 존재하던 섬입니다. 따라서 이 지역은 본토(한반도)와 다른 독자적인 문화가 발전했습니다. 또한 이 지역은 몽골의 영향으로 말을 사육하던 지역이기도 합니다.


따라서 저는 이 지역에서 기존 나주 provinces에서 "탐라"라는 독자적인 provinces로 분리하여 총2~3개의 위치로 나눌 것을 권합니다。


-The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-

-위치변동은 다음과 같습니다。-


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AE 1 - 탐라(Tamna)
1Tamna탐라
2Daejeong대정
3Jeongui정의

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AE 2 - 탐라(Tamna)
1Tamna탐라
2Daejeong대정





That's all and thank you for reading this long article.

Have a happy day everyone!!!


이상입니다. 긴글을 읽어 주셔서 감사합니다.


모두 행복한 하루 보내세요!!!




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That's all and thank you for reading this long article.

이상입니다。 긴글을 읽어 주셔서 감사합니다。

Have a happy day everyone!!!


모두 행복한 하루 보내세요!!!
I like your post, but all these maps with colors that are sometimes hard to see and those separate lists of names are a bit unwieldy, so I decided to put your suggestion into one big labeled map which hopefully makes it easier to digest:
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I also attached a version with black background.:)

Edit: Just noticed I forgot to label Sangju, can't really be bothered to upload a fix for just one small mistake though.
 

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Hi, out of curiosity what did you use to make this? I will probably need to do something similar for a map in a couple weeks
Just drew it myself in gimp using the map from the OP as base (with inverted colors and desaturated), I have no idea if there's any app to make it easier than just drawing and labeling it yourself.
 
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I like your post, but all these maps with colors that are sometimes hard to see and those separate lists of names are a bit unwieldy, so I decided to put your suggestion into one big labeled map which hopefully makes it easier to digest:
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I also attached a version with black background.:)

Edit: Just noticed I forgot to label Sangju, can't really be bothered to upload a fix for just one small mistake though.
Wow...!!!

The map is really nice to see. Thank you!!!
 
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Very satisfied with this DD; there are just two minor recommendations I have.

1. Renaming Tōhoku (東北) to Ōu (奥羽)

Since PC seems to be using the old 'circuits' / Ritsuryō divisions instead of the modern geographic regions of Japan, I suggest renaming Tōhoku (東北) to Ōu (奥羽). Though the area was technically part of the Tōsan (東山) area, I understand the need to split them up for gameplay/historical/aesthetic purposes. My reasoning for renaming is for consistency with the other areas (Kyūshū is Saikaido, and Hokkaido is Ezo, etc.). Ōu (奥羽) is the portmanteau of Dewa (出羽) / うŪshu (州) and Mutsu (陸) / Ōshu (州), the two historical provinces in the area, and was the traditional name (within the PC timeframe) to refer to them together. It is also still used today to refer to the mountain range that runs through the border of the two old provinces. It's also nice that it will add more variety in naming since there won't be 3 Tō (東) areas side by side, but now just 2; Tōkai and Tōsan, ditto on the adjacent Hokuriku (北陸).

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^ Ōu Mountains (奥羽山脈) that form the 'spine' of the Tōhoku (東北) / Ōu (奥羽) region

2. Removing '-do'(道)suffix for area names in both Korea and Japan

Minor revision, but I find it redundant to retain the '-do'(道) suffix for areas in Korea and Japan. '-do' (道) is an East Asian administrative division that directly translates to 'circuit.' Since the European areas don't use 'duchy' in their map area names, the Chinese ones don't use 'province' (省), and the Japanese 'provinces' (州) one level down also don't have them, I don't see why 'do' (道) should be retained either.
 
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I haven't found Hojo as a clan on the map. They got nearly destroyed in 1333 but Hōjō Tokiyuki fought with remnants for the southern clan to get back to power.

Recently popularized with the Anime "Elusive Samurai". So is there a way to bring the Hojo back?
 
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This proposal is a reconstruction feedback of locations and provinces on the Korean Peninsula.


In fact, these suggestions may be liked or disliked by some people. (because more locations have been added than before)

But at the end of the day this isn't a "compulsion," it's just a "suggestion" (hopefully it doesn't overheat too much)

Still, this is my first time making a map like this, so I had to invest a lot of time, so I hope you like it overall :)

Also, I am not good at English, so please understand that English sentences can be awkward :)


Then I'll start.


- Regarding the restructuring of locations and provinces in Korean Peninsula, I would like to make the following suggestions.


- 한반도의 위치 및 지방 재편과 관련하여 저의 제안 입니다.



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Locations and Provinces were based on a map of Joseon's administrative districts.

In fact, it is inconvenient to create a location based on the administrative districts of Goryeo, and I don't think it is appropriate to create a location based on the administrative districts of Goryeo, as Goryeo only existed for 60 years after the game began in 1337.


(The administrative districts of the Joseon Dynasty were built based on the topography of the Korean Peninsula and are still widely used today.)

location와 Provinces 는 조선의 행정구역 지도를 토대로 만들었습니다。

사실 고려의 행정구역을 토대로 만들기에는 그것은 불편함이 많고 또한 1337년 게임이 시작하고 60년 밖에 사용되지 않기에 적절하지 않다고 생각합니다。

(조선시대의 행정구역은 한반도의 지형을 토대로 만들어져 오늘날까지 널리 사용되고 있습니다。)




Here are some of the details.


자세한 내용은 다음과 같습니다。


- First, Naju, Namwon, Jeonju.-


-가장먼저 나주、 남원、 전주입니다。-



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Called "Honam" during the Joseon Dynasty, it was the most important granary on the Korean Peninsula and the most densely populated area than the rest of the peninsula.

Therefore, I recommend that this area be divided into four from the existing three Provinces.


조선시대에서 "호남"이라고 불렸던 이 지역은 한반도에서 가장 중요한 곡창지대로서 한반도의 다른 지역 보다 인구 밀도가 가장 높은 지역이었습니다。

따라서 저는 이 지역을 기존 3개의 provinces 에서 4개의 provinces 로 나누기를 권합니다。

-The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-

- locations 및 provinces 재편은 다음과 같습니다.-



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- The names for each location are as follows.

- 각 위치별 이름은 다음과 같습니다。


A - Jeonju

1Jeonju
2Iri
3okgu
4Gimje
5Jinan
6Mupung
7Jinrye

B - Namwon

1Jeongeup
2Bvan
3Gochang
4Imsil
5Sunchang
6Namwon

C - Naju

1Naju
2Gwangju
3Muan
4Yeonggam
5Haenam
6Jangheung
7Yeonggwang
8Jangseong
9Damyang
10Hwasun
11Hampung

D - Suncheon

1suncheon
2Yeosu
3Boseong
4Goheung
5Gokseong
6Gurye
7Gwangyang



- Second Daegu, Andong, Dongnae, Jinju.

- 다음으로 대구、 안동、동래、 진주입니다。


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This region is called "Yeongnam" in Joseon, and like the Honam region, it was an important granary and served as a center of trade with Japan and a gateway to exchanges with Japan.

Therefore, I recommend that this area be divided into five from the existing four Provinces.

해당 지역은 조선에서 "영남"이라고 불리는 지역으로 이 지역을 호남과 마찬가지로 중요한 곡창지대이며 대일 무역의 중심지이자 대일교류의 관문으로써의 역할을 수행했습니다.

따라서 저는 이 지역을 기존 4개의 Provinces 에서 5개의 Provinces 로 나누기를 권합니다。

-The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-

- locations 및 provinces 재편은 다음과 같습니다.-



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- The names for each location are as follows.

- 각 위치별 이름은 다음과 같습니다。


E - Jinju

1Jinju
2Hadong
3Saju
4Goseong
5Hamyang
6Geochang
7Gangseong
8Hapju
9Uiryeong
10Namhae

F - Dongrae

1Dongrae
2Yangju
3Ulju
4Gimhae
5Ungsin
6Geoje
7Milseong
8Uichang

G - Gyerim

1Gyerim
2Yeonil
3Yeongju
4Cheongbu
5Yeonghae
6Yeongyang

H - Daegu

1Daegu
2Gyeongsan
3Gimsam
4Seongju
5Seonju
6Uiheung
7Cheongdo
8Goryeong

X - Sangju

1Sangju
2Mungyeong
3Uiseong
4Andong
5Giju
6Boju
7Bonghwa


- Next is Hongju 、 Gongju、 Chungju (the western part of Chungju Provins).-

-다음으로 홍주、 공주、충주(충주 프로빈스의 서쪽지역) 입니다。-



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The region is called "Hoseo" in Joseon, an important transportation hub and the third most people lived on the Korean Peninsula.

Therefore, I recommend adding the Chungju Provins western part of this area and reorganizing the Gongju Provins into 2 Provins, total of 4 Provins.


해당 지역은 조선에서 "호서라고" 불리는 지역으로 중요한 교통의 요충지로 한반도에서 세번째로 많은 사람들이 살았던 지역입니다.

따라서 저는 이 지역의 충주 프로빈스 서부 지역을 더하고 Gongju 프로빈스를 2개의 프로빈스로 나눠서, 총 4개 프로빈스로 재구성할것은 추천합니다.

-The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-

- locations 및 provinces 재편은 다음과 같습니다.-


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- The names for each location are as follows.

- 각 위치별 이름은 다음과 같습니다。


I - Hongju
1Gyeolseong
2Taean
3Dangjin
4aju
5Nampo
6Hongsan
7Hongju
8Hanju

J - Gongju
1Gongju
2Cheonan
3Yeongi
4Yeonsan
5Jinjam

K - Cheongju
1Cheongju
2Jincheon
3Boeun
4Cheongsan
5Yeongdong

L - Chungju

1Chungju
2Jeju
3Dansan
4Goeju
5Eumseong


And before we move on...

그리고 다음으로 넘어가기 전에...

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Why is this locations (Ulleung) empty?

어째서 이곳(Ulleung)은 비어있을까요?

This is Ulleung, an area where people have lived since before the Goryeo Dynasty.

The island's history dates back to the days when Goguryeo, Baekje, and Silla existed.

To be precise, in 512 it was recorded that General Isabu of Silla conquered Usanguk (the country that was on Ulleungdo Island) and later paid tribute to Silla.

이 locations는 Ulleung 으로 고려시대 이전부터 사람이 살던 지역입니다.

이 섬의 역사는 고구려, 백제, 신라가 존재하던 시기부터 거슬러 올라갑니다.

정확히는 512년에 신라의 장군 이사부가 우산국(울릉도에 존재했던 국가)을 정벌했고 이후 조공을 바쳤다는 것으로 역사서에 등장했습니다.

[In the summer of June 512, the 13th year of the reign of 于, Usanguk surrendered and decided to offer local products as tribute every year. Usanguk is an island in the sea east of 溟 and is sometimes called Ulleungdo. The land is 100 ri in all directions, and he did not surrender, believing that the land was rough. Lee Chan (伊湌), a different 斯夫, became the monarch of 何瑟羅, saying, "The people of the Umbrella State are stupid and fierce, so it is difficult to subjugate them by force, but they can be subjugated by deception." So, they made many wooden lions, distributed them to the 船, and when they reached the country's coast, they falsely said, "If you don't surrender, I will release this fierce beast and step on it to kill you." The people of the country were afraid and soon surrendered.

Volume 4 of "Samguk Sagi" and "Silla Bonki" 4 13 years between Jijeung Ma-rip]

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There are also records from the Goryeo Dynasty.

또한 고려시대의 기록도 존재합니다.

In the early 14th century, people still lived on Ulleung Island during the Goryeo Dynasty. Records show that in the 10th century, Usanguk, a country on Ulleung Island, dispatched envoys to Goryeo, causing some people to take official positions in Goryeo. According to one record, "The Usanguk saw its agriculture decline due to the invasion of the Jurchens in the northeast, so Goryeo sent Yiwon-gu to provide farming equipment."
— Goryeo History (Koryeosa))

14세기 초 고려 초기에도 여전히 울릉도에는 사람들이 살고 있었습니다. 기록에 따르면 10세기에 울릉도의 우산국이 고려에 사신을 보내면서 일부 사람들이 고려에 공식적인 직책을 맡게 되었다고 합니다. 한 기록에 따르면 "우산국은 동북부 여진족의 침략으로 농업이 쇠퇴하여 고려가 이원구를 보내 농기구를 제공했다"고 합니다
— 고려사 (고려사)


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There are also records discussing how to deal with people who fled to Ulleung Island to avoid taxes in the early Joseon Dynasty, and records of Goryeo's efforts to settle on the island for further development in the 12th century. The reason there were no people living on Ulleung Island was because of the policy of relocating people who lived on Joseon's remote islands to the mainland in the early 15th century, which began to live again in the late 16th century and is currently home to about 9,169 residents.


조선 초기 세금을 피해 울릉도로 피난 온 사람들을 어떻게 처리해야 하는지 논의한 기록과 12세기 고려가 추가 개발을 위해 섬에 정착하기 위해 노력한 기록이 있습니다. 울릉도에 사람이 살지 않은 이유는 15세기 초 조선의 외딴 섬에 살던 사람들을 본토로 이주시키는 정책 때문이었는데, 16세기 후반부터 다시 사람들이 거주하기 시작하여 현재 약 9,169명의 주민이 거주하고 있습니다.

Let's go back to the main topic...

그럼 다시 본론으로 돌아와서...




-Next is Gangneung 、 South Chuncheon 、 North Chuncheon 、 Chungju (the eastern part of Chungju Provins).-

-다음으로 강릉、 남춘천、 북춘천、충주(충주 프로빈스의 동쪽지역) 입니다。-

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The region was called "Yeongdong" in Joseon, and although there are many forest resources due to the large number of mountainous terrain, it is an area where the fewest people on the Korean Peninsula lived due to the rough terrain.


Therefore, I recommend that you keep the existing four provinces in this area, including the eastern Provines area of Chungju Provines.


해당 지역은 조선에서 영동"이라고 부르던 지역으로 산악지형이 많아 산림자원은 많으나, 지형이 험한 까닭에 한반도에서 가장 적은 사람들이 살던 지역입니다.


따라서 저는 이 지역에서 충주 provinces의 동쪽 프로빈스 지역을 포함해 기존의 4개의 provinces로 유지할 것을 권합니다。


[SIZE=22px]-The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-[/SIZE]

- locations 및 provinces 재편은 다음과 같습니다.-

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- The names for each location are as follows.

- 각 위치별 이름은 다음과 같습니다。


O - Myeongju
1Myeongju
2Yangju
3Ganseong
4Tongju
5Samcheok
6Uljin
7Ulleung

P - Wonju
1Wonju
2Hoengcheon
3Yeongwol
4Chimbong
5Pyeongchang


Q - Chunju
1Chunju
2Nangcheon
3Yanggu
4Inje
5Hongcheon
6Wontong

R - Cheolwon
1Cheolwon
2Icheon
3Pyeonggang
4Doyeong
5Hoeyang


- Next is Hanseong. -

- 다음으로 한성입니다。-


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The region was the capital area of the Joseon Dynasty, which was commonly called "Gyeonggi." It also included Gaegyeong, the capital city of the Goryeo Dynasty. The Gyeonggi region was the traditional capital area of the Goryeo and Joseon Dynasty, and was a center of commerce and distribution of logistics linking the northern and southern regions of the Korean Peninsula.

Therefore, I would recommend that you divide this province from the existing 1 province to 2 provinces.



해당 지역은 조선의 수도권 지역으로 일반적으로 ”경기“라고 부르던 지역입니다。 고려시대의 수도 개경이 포함된 지역이기도 합니다。 경기지역은 고려시대와 조선시대의 전통적인 수도권으로 상업의 중심지임과 동시에 한반도의 북부지역과 남부지역를 잇는 물류 유통의 중심지였습니다.

따라서 저는 이 지역에서 기존1개의 province에서 2개의 provinces로 나눌것을 권합니다。


-The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-

- locations 및 provinces 재편은 다음과 같습니다.-


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- The names for each location are as follows.

- 각 위치별 이름은 다음과 같습니다。


M - Suwon
1Suwon
2Ansan
3Yongin
4Gwangju
5Pyeongtaek
6Anseong
7Icheon
8Yeoheung
9Namyang

N - Gaegyeong(or Hanseong)
1Gaegyeong
2Namgyeong
3Ganghwa
4Inju
5Papyeong
6Yeonju
7Yangju
8Poju
9Gyeonju
10Gapyeong
11Jipyeong

- Next is Haeju, Gaeseong. -

-다음으로 해주、개성 입니다。-



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The region used to be called "Haeseo" in the Joseon Dynasty, and has a suitable fishery resource and a moderate population.


Therefore, I recommend that you keep this region as the existing two Provins, but reconstruct the boundaries of each Provins.


해당 지역은 조선시대 “해서”라고 부르던 지역으로 적당한 수산 자원이 있으며, 인구는 적당한 수준인 지역 입니다.


따라서 저는 이 지역을 기존의 2개의 프로빈스로 유지하되 각 프로빈스의 경계를 재구성할것을 권합니다.



- The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-

- locations 및 provinces 재편은 다음과 같습니다.-


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- The names for each location are as follows.

- 각 위치별 이름은 다음과 같습니다。


S - Haeju
1Haeju
2Byeokseong
3Ongjin
4Jangyeon
5Pungcheon
6Yeonan
7Sincheon
8Jaeryeong
9Baekryeong

T - Hwangju
1Hwangju
2Yangak
3Bongju
4Seoheung
5Pyeongju
6Singye
7Suju
8Gokju
9Ubong


- Next is Seogyeong, North Seogyeong, Uiju, Ganggye -

-다음으로 서경、북서경、 의주、 강계 입니다。-

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The region was called "Gwanseo" during the Joseon Dynasty and was a military hub where military power was concentrated as a key point for the defense of the north. In particular, Pyongyang-Seogyeong and Uiju in the Gwanseo area were the second most populous cities after the capital of the Joseon Dynasty.

Therefore, I recommend that you keep this area as four existing provinces, but reconstruct the boundaries of each provinces.


해당 지역은 조선시대 “관서”라고 부르던 지역으로 북방 방위의 요충지로 군사력이 집중되었던 군사적 요충지였습니다. 특히 관서지역의 평양-서경과 의주는 조선시대 수도 다음으로 인구가 많던 도시입니다.

따라서 저는 이 지역을 기존의 4개의 provinces로 유지하되 각 provinces의 경계를 재구성할것을 권합니다.


-The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-

- locations 및 provinces 재편은 다음과 같습니다.-


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- The names for each location are as follows.

- 각 위치별 이름은 다음과 같습니다。

Z - Seogyeong

1Seogyeong
2Jeungsan
3Samhwa
4Junghwa
5Seongju
6Yangam
7Yonggang
8Gangdong
9Samdeung

AB - Anju
1Anju
2Gaeju
3Sunju
4Yeongwon
5Maengsan
6Deokcheon
7Sukju

AC - Uiju
1Uiju
2Seonju
3Gwakju
4Jeongju
5Sakju
6Gugu
7Gaju
8Yeongju
9Cheolju
10Changju
11Byeokdan

AD - Ganggye
1Ganggye
2wiwon
3Huigu
4Unju
5Jaseong
6Muchang
7Isan
8Jeoncheom
9Yongrim

- Next is Hwaju, Hamheung, Gapsan, Gyeongseong -

-다음으로 화주、함흥、 갑산、 경성입니다。-

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The region used to be called "Gwanbuk" during the Joseon Dynasty, and like Gwanseo, it was an important area for the defense of the north. It is also the least populated area on the Korean Peninsula after "Yeongdong."


Therefore, I recommend that you keep this area as four existing provinces, but reconstruct the boundaries of each provinces.


조선 시대에는 "관북"이라고 불렸던 이 지역은 관서와 마찬가지로 북쪽 방어를 위한 중요한 지역이었습니다. 또한 "영동" 다음으로 한반도에서 인구가 가장 적은 지역이기도 합니다.

따라서 저는 이 지역을 기존의 4개의 provinces로 유지하되 각 provinces의 경계를 재구성할것을 권합니다.

-The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-

-locations 및 provinces 재편은 다음과 같습니다.-

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- The names for each location are as follows.

- 각 위치별 이름은 다음과 같습니다。

U - Hwaju



1Munju
2Anbyeon
3Goju
4Hwaju
5Jeongpyeong
6Yongju

V - Hamheung
1Hamheung
2Hongwon
3Jangjin
4Samsal
5Danju
6Heocheon
7Bokju
8Sinheung
9Yeonggwang
10Pungseo
11Bujeon

W - Gyeongseong
1Gyeongseong
2gilju
3Myeongcheon
4Buryeong
5Hoeryeong
6Gyeongwon
7Gyeongheung
8Jongseong
9Anhwa
10Onseong

Y - Musan
1Samsu
2Gapju
3Musan
4Hyesan
5Jaedeok


- Next is Tamna. -

-다음으로 탐라 입니다。-

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The area used to be called "Tamna" during the Goryeo Dynasty and "Jeju" during the Joseon Dynasty. It was an island that existed as a kind of country, moving between independence and dependency relationship from the time when Goguryeo, Baekje, and Silla existed until the early Goryeo Dynasty. Therefore, the area developed its own culture, which was different from the mainland (the Korean Peninsula). It was also the area where horses were raised under the influence of Mongolia.

Therefore, I recommend that this location be divided into one "Tamna" province and two to three locations in total, separating from the existing Naju province.

해당 지역은 고려시대에 “탐라”、 조선시대의 “제주”라고 부르던 지역입니다。이 섬은 고구려、백제、 신라가 존재하던 시대부터 고려시대 초기에 이르기까지 독립과 종속관계를 오가며 일종의 국가로서 존재하던 섬입니다。 따라서 이 지역은 본토(한반도)와 다른 독자적인 문화가 발전했습니다。또한 이 지역은 몽골의 영향으로 말을 사육하던 지역이기도 합니다.

따라서 저는 이 지역에서 기존 나주 Provinces에서 "탐라"라는 독자적인 Provinces로 분리하여 총2~3개의 위치로 나눌 것을 권합니다。


-The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-

-위치변동은 다음과 같습니다。-

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AE 1 - Tamna

1Tamna
2Seogwi

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AE 2 - Tamna
1Tamna
2Seogwi
3Yerae


That's all and thank you for reading this long article.

이상입니다。 긴글을 읽어 주셔서 감사합니다。

Have a happy day everyone!!!


모두 행복한 하루 보내세요!!!


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awesome, though a couple of extra points as a korean myself i want to add:

Tamla if divided into 3, should have the north south and *center* as its 3 locations to better represent the fact that dislodging someone resisting in hanlasan has historically been a pain, and has happened quite a bit. There should be a event decently soon after game start of the revolt over tamla falling back under full goyro control around the mid 1350's so it should be important. The 3 goods of the provence should reflect the 3 historical goods of the reigion, fruits, *horses*, and fish respectivly. having horses in the mountains might be the best idea? since fish and fruit were in the lowlands, and techically most of the mountenside was more highlands then harsh mountains.
While Tamla was de jure fully intergrated into korea by the 12th century, it was de facto a vassel state up to the mid 14th century. so yes, it should be a vassel state with a unique though in same culture group as korean proper.
Ullung, i feel might benefit from having a relesable tag and a seperate cultrue to korea proper? idk. at any rate, should exist on the map. honestly if east asia post 15th centrury hadn't frozen up on trade ullung might have become a decently important middle resting point in east sea/sea of japan trading?

speaking of the sea of japan issue... at least locally, and historically, it HAS been known more as the sea of korea(china/japan) or east sea (china/korea), but then again, familiarity. I wonder if it could be shown as east sea if playing as the sinosphere but sea of japan as japan and non eastern countries? for flavor.

there is one more elephant in the room, and that is tsushima. before the imjin war, tsushima was technically running double time as a vassel of sorts to *both* the japanese and koreans and mediating trade between the two. would be interesting if this is modeled.
 
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This proposal is a reconstruction feedback of locations and provinces on the Korean Peninsula.


In fact, these suggestions may be liked or disliked by some people. (because more locations have been added than before)

But at the end of the day this isn't a "compulsion," it's just a "suggestion" (hopefully it doesn't overheat too much)

Still, this is my first time making a map like this, so I had to invest a lot of time, so I hope you like it overall :)

Also, I am not good at English, so please understand that English sentences can be awkward :)


Then I'll start.


- Regarding the restructuring of locations and provinces in Korean Peninsula, I would like to make the following suggestions.


- 한반도의 위치 및 지방 재편과 관련하여 저의 제안 입니다.



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Locations and Provinces were based on a map of Joseon's administrative districts.

In fact, it is inconvenient to create a location based on the administrative districts of Goryeo, and I don't think it is appropriate to create a location based on the administrative districts of Goryeo, as Goryeo only existed for 60 years after the game began in 1337.


(The administrative districts of the Joseon Dynasty were built based on the topography of the Korean Peninsula and are still widely used today.)

location와 Provinces 는 조선의 행정구역 지도를 토대로 만들었습니다。

사실 고려의 행정구역을 토대로 만들기에는 그것은 불편함이 많고 또한 1337년 게임이 시작하고 60년 밖에 사용되지 않기에 적절하지 않다고 생각합니다。

(조선시대의 행정구역은 한반도의 지형을 토대로 만들어져 오늘날까지 널리 사용되고 있습니다。)




Here are some of the details.


자세한 내용은 다음과 같습니다。


- First, Naju, Namwon, Jeonju.-


-가장먼저 나주、 남원、 전주입니다。-



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Called "Honam" during the Joseon Dynasty, it was the most important granary on the Korean Peninsula and the most densely populated area than the rest of the peninsula.

Therefore, I recommend that this area be divided into four from the existing three Provinces.


조선시대에서 "호남"이라고 불렸던 이 지역은 한반도에서 가장 중요한 곡창지대로서 한반도의 다른 지역 보다 인구 밀도가 가장 높은 지역이었습니다。

따라서 저는 이 지역을 기존 3개의 provinces 에서 4개의 provinces 로 나누기를 권합니다。

-The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-

- locations 및 provinces 재편은 다음과 같습니다.-



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- The names for each location are as follows.

- 각 위치별 이름은 다음과 같습니다。


A - Jeonju

1Jeonju
2Iri
3okgu
4Gimje
5Jinan
6Mupung
7Jinrye

B - Namwon

1Jeongeup
2Bvan
3Gochang
4Imsil
5Sunchang
6Namwon

C - Naju

1Naju
2Gwangju
3Muan
4Yeonggam
5Haenam
6Jangheung
7Yeonggwang
8Jangseong
9Damyang
10Hwasun
11Hampung

D - Suncheon

1suncheon
2Yeosu
3Boseong
4Goheung
5Gokseong
6Gurye
7Gwangyang



- Second Daegu, Andong, Dongnae, Jinju.

- 다음으로 대구、 안동、동래、 진주입니다。


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This region is called "Yeongnam" in Joseon, and like the Honam region, it was an important granary and served as a center of trade with Japan and a gateway to exchanges with Japan.

Therefore, I recommend that this area be divided into five from the existing four Provinces.

해당 지역은 조선에서 "영남"이라고 불리는 지역으로 이 지역을 호남과 마찬가지로 중요한 곡창지대이며 대일 무역의 중심지이자 대일교류의 관문으로써의 역할을 수행했습니다.

따라서 저는 이 지역을 기존 4개의 Provinces 에서 5개의 Provinces 로 나누기를 권합니다。

-The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-

- locations 및 provinces 재편은 다음과 같습니다.-



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- The names for each location are as follows.

- 각 위치별 이름은 다음과 같습니다。


E - Jinju

1Jinju
2Hadong
3Saju
4Goseong
5Hamyang
6Geochang
7Gangseong
8Hapju
9Uiryeong
10Namhae

F - Dongrae

1Dongrae
2Yangju
3Ulju
4Gimhae
5Ungsin
6Geoje
7Milseong
8Uichang

G - Gyerim

1Gyerim
2Yeonil
3Yeongju
4Cheongbu
5Yeonghae
6Yeongyang

H - Daegu

1Daegu
2Gyeongsan
3Gimsam
4Seongju
5Seonju
6Uiheung
7Cheongdo
8Goryeong

X - Sangju

1Sangju
2Mungyeong
3Uiseong
4Andong
5Giju
6Boju
7Bonghwa


- Next is Hongju 、 Gongju、 Chungju (the western part of Chungju Provins).-

-다음으로 홍주、 공주、충주(충주 프로빈스의 서쪽지역) 입니다。-



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The region is called "Hoseo" in Joseon, an important transportation hub and the third most people lived on the Korean Peninsula.

Therefore, I recommend adding the Chungju Provins western part of this area and reorganizing the Gongju Provins into 2 Provins, total of 4 Provins.


해당 지역은 조선에서 "호서라고" 불리는 지역으로 중요한 교통의 요충지로 한반도에서 세번째로 많은 사람들이 살았던 지역입니다.

따라서 저는 이 지역의 충주 프로빈스 서부 지역을 더하고 Gongju 프로빈스를 2개의 프로빈스로 나눠서, 총 4개 프로빈스로 재구성할것은 추천합니다.

-The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-

- locations 및 provinces 재편은 다음과 같습니다.-


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- The names for each location are as follows.

- 각 위치별 이름은 다음과 같습니다。


I - Hongju
1Gyeolseong
2Taean
3Dangjin
4aju
5Nampo
6Hongsan
7Hongju
8Hanju

J - Gongju
1Gongju
2Cheonan
3Yeongi
4Yeonsan
5Jinjam

K - Cheongju
1Cheongju
2Jincheon
3Boeun
4Cheongsan
5Yeongdong

L - Chungju

1Chungju
2Jeju
3Dansan
4Goeju
5Eumseong


And before we move on...

그리고 다음으로 넘어가기 전에...

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Why is this locations (Ulleung) empty?

어째서 이곳(Ulleung)은 비어있을까요?

This is Ulleung, an area where people have lived since before the Goryeo Dynasty.

The island's history dates back to the days when Goguryeo, Baekje, and Silla existed.

To be precise, in 512 it was recorded that General Isabu of Silla conquered Usanguk (the country that was on Ulleungdo Island) and later paid tribute to Silla.

이 locations는 Ulleung 으로 고려시대 이전부터 사람이 살던 지역입니다.

이 섬의 역사는 고구려, 백제, 신라가 존재하던 시기부터 거슬러 올라갑니다.

정확히는 512년에 신라의 장군 이사부가 우산국(울릉도에 존재했던 국가)을 정벌했고 이후 조공을 바쳤다는 것으로 역사서에 등장했습니다.

[In the summer of June 512, the 13th year of the reign of 于, Usanguk surrendered and decided to offer local products as tribute every year. Usanguk is an island in the sea east of 溟 and is sometimes called Ulleungdo. The land is 100 ri in all directions, and he did not surrender, believing that the land was rough. Lee Chan (伊湌), a different 斯夫, became the monarch of 何瑟羅, saying, "The people of the Umbrella State are stupid and fierce, so it is difficult to subjugate them by force, but they can be subjugated by deception." So, they made many wooden lions, distributed them to the 船, and when they reached the country's coast, they falsely said, "If you don't surrender, I will release this fierce beast and step on it to kill you." The people of the country were afraid and soon surrendered.

Volume 4 of "Samguk Sagi" and "Silla Bonki" 4 13 years between Jijeung Ma-rip]

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There are also records from the Goryeo Dynasty.

또한 고려시대의 기록도 존재합니다.

In the early 14th century, people still lived on Ulleung Island during the Goryeo Dynasty. Records show that in the 10th century, Usanguk, a country on Ulleung Island, dispatched envoys to Goryeo, causing some people to take official positions in Goryeo. According to one record, "The Usanguk saw its agriculture decline due to the invasion of the Jurchens in the northeast, so Goryeo sent Yiwon-gu to provide farming equipment."
— Goryeo History (Koryeosa))

14세기 초 고려 초기에도 여전히 울릉도에는 사람들이 살고 있었습니다. 기록에 따르면 10세기에 울릉도의 우산국이 고려에 사신을 보내면서 일부 사람들이 고려에 공식적인 직책을 맡게 되었다고 합니다. 한 기록에 따르면 "우산국은 동북부 여진족의 침략으로 농업이 쇠퇴하여 고려가 이원구를 보내 농기구를 제공했다"고 합니다
— 고려사 (고려사)


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There are also records discussing how to deal with people who fled to Ulleung Island to avoid taxes in the early Joseon Dynasty, and records of Goryeo's efforts to settle on the island for further development in the 12th century. The reason there were no people living on Ulleung Island was because of the policy of relocating people who lived on Joseon's remote islands to the mainland in the early 15th century, which began to live again in the late 16th century and is currently home to about 9,169 residents.


조선 초기 세금을 피해 울릉도로 피난 온 사람들을 어떻게 처리해야 하는지 논의한 기록과 12세기 고려가 추가 개발을 위해 섬에 정착하기 위해 노력한 기록이 있습니다. 울릉도에 사람이 살지 않은 이유는 15세기 초 조선의 외딴 섬에 살던 사람들을 본토로 이주시키는 정책 때문이었는데, 16세기 후반부터 다시 사람들이 거주하기 시작하여 현재 약 9,169명의 주민이 거주하고 있습니다.

Let's go back to the main topic...

그럼 다시 본론으로 돌아와서...




-Next is Gangneung 、 South Chuncheon 、 North Chuncheon 、 Chungju (the eastern part of Chungju Provins).-

-다음으로 강릉、 남춘천、 북춘천、충주(충주 프로빈스의 동쪽지역) 입니다。-

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The region was called "Yeongdong" in Joseon, and although there are many forest resources due to the large number of mountainous terrain, it is an area where the fewest people on the Korean Peninsula lived due to the rough terrain.


Therefore, I recommend that you keep the existing four provinces in this area, including the eastern Provines area of Chungju Provines.


해당 지역은 조선에서 영동"이라고 부르던 지역으로 산악지형이 많아 산림자원은 많으나, 지형이 험한 까닭에 한반도에서 가장 적은 사람들이 살던 지역입니다.


따라서 저는 이 지역에서 충주 provinces의 동쪽 프로빈스 지역을 포함해 기존의 4개의 provinces로 유지할 것을 권합니다。


[SIZE=22px]-The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-[/SIZE]

- locations 및 provinces 재편은 다음과 같습니다.-

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- The names for each location are as follows.

- 각 위치별 이름은 다음과 같습니다。


O - Myeongju
1Myeongju
2Yangju
3Ganseong
4Tongju
5Samcheok
6Uljin
7Ulleung

P - Wonju
1Wonju
2Hoengcheon
3Yeongwol
4Chimbong
5Pyeongchang


Q - Chunju
1Chunju
2Nangcheon
3Yanggu
4Inje
5Hongcheon
6Wontong

R - Cheolwon
1Cheolwon
2Icheon
3Pyeonggang
4Doyeong
5Hoeyang


- Next is Hanseong. -

- 다음으로 한성입니다。-


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The region was the capital area of the Joseon Dynasty, which was commonly called "Gyeonggi." It also included Gaegyeong, the capital city of the Goryeo Dynasty. The Gyeonggi region was the traditional capital area of the Goryeo and Joseon Dynasty, and was a center of commerce and distribution of logistics linking the northern and southern regions of the Korean Peninsula.

Therefore, I would recommend that you divide this province from the existing 1 province to 2 provinces.



해당 지역은 조선의 수도권 지역으로 일반적으로 ”경기“라고 부르던 지역입니다。 고려시대의 수도 개경이 포함된 지역이기도 합니다。 경기지역은 고려시대와 조선시대의 전통적인 수도권으로 상업의 중심지임과 동시에 한반도의 북부지역과 남부지역를 잇는 물류 유통의 중심지였습니다.

따라서 저는 이 지역에서 기존1개의 province에서 2개의 provinces로 나눌것을 권합니다。


-The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-

- locations 및 provinces 재편은 다음과 같습니다.-


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- The names for each location are as follows.

- 각 위치별 이름은 다음과 같습니다。


M - Suwon
1Suwon
2Ansan
3Yongin
4Gwangju
5Pyeongtaek
6Anseong
7Icheon
8Yeoheung
9Namyang

N - Gaegyeong(or Hanseong)
1Gaegyeong
2Namgyeong
3Ganghwa
4Inju
5Papyeong
6Yeonju
7Yangju
8Poju
9Gyeonju
10Gapyeong
11Jipyeong

- Next is Haeju, Gaeseong. -

-다음으로 해주、개성 입니다。-



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The region used to be called "Haeseo" in the Joseon Dynasty, and has a suitable fishery resource and a moderate population.


Therefore, I recommend that you keep this region as the existing two Provins, but reconstruct the boundaries of each Provins.


해당 지역은 조선시대 “해서”라고 부르던 지역으로 적당한 수산 자원이 있으며, 인구는 적당한 수준인 지역 입니다.


따라서 저는 이 지역을 기존의 2개의 프로빈스로 유지하되 각 프로빈스의 경계를 재구성할것을 권합니다.



- The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-

- locations 및 provinces 재편은 다음과 같습니다.-


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- The names for each location are as follows.

- 각 위치별 이름은 다음과 같습니다。


S - Haeju
1Haeju
2Byeokseong
3Ongjin
4Jangyeon
5Pungcheon
6Yeonan
7Sincheon
8Jaeryeong
9Baekryeong

T - Hwangju
1Hwangju
2Yangak
3Bongju
4Seoheung
5Pyeongju
6Singye
7Suju
8Gokju
9Ubong


- Next is Seogyeong, North Seogyeong, Uiju, Ganggye -

-다음으로 서경、북서경、 의주、 강계 입니다。-

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The region was called "Gwanseo" during the Joseon Dynasty and was a military hub where military power was concentrated as a key point for the defense of the north. In particular, Pyongyang-Seogyeong and Uiju in the Gwanseo area were the second most populous cities after the capital of the Joseon Dynasty.

Therefore, I recommend that you keep this area as four existing provinces, but reconstruct the boundaries of each provinces.


해당 지역은 조선시대 “관서”라고 부르던 지역으로 북방 방위의 요충지로 군사력이 집중되었던 군사적 요충지였습니다. 특히 관서지역의 평양-서경과 의주는 조선시대 수도 다음으로 인구가 많던 도시입니다.

따라서 저는 이 지역을 기존의 4개의 provinces로 유지하되 각 provinces의 경계를 재구성할것을 권합니다.


-The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-

- locations 및 provinces 재편은 다음과 같습니다.-


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- The names for each location are as follows.

- 각 위치별 이름은 다음과 같습니다。

Z - Seogyeong

1Seogyeong
2Jeungsan
3Samhwa
4Junghwa
5Seongju
6Yangam
7Yonggang
8Gangdong
9Samdeung

AB - Anju
1Anju
2Gaeju
3Sunju
4Yeongwon
5Maengsan
6Deokcheon
7Sukju

AC - Uiju
1Uiju
2Seonju
3Gwakju
4Jeongju
5Sakju
6Gugu
7Gaju
8Yeongju
9Cheolju
10Changju
11Byeokdan

AD - Ganggye
1Ganggye
2wiwon
3Huigu
4Unju
5Jaseong
6Muchang
7Isan
8Jeoncheom
9Yongrim

- Next is Hwaju, Hamheung, Gapsan, Gyeongseong -

-다음으로 화주、함흥、 갑산、 경성입니다。-

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The region used to be called "Gwanbuk" during the Joseon Dynasty, and like Gwanseo, it was an important area for the defense of the north. It is also the least populated area on the Korean Peninsula after "Yeongdong."


Therefore, I recommend that you keep this area as four existing provinces, but reconstruct the boundaries of each provinces.


조선 시대에는 "관북"이라고 불렸던 이 지역은 관서와 마찬가지로 북쪽 방어를 위한 중요한 지역이었습니다. 또한 "영동" 다음으로 한반도에서 인구가 가장 적은 지역이기도 합니다.

따라서 저는 이 지역을 기존의 4개의 provinces로 유지하되 각 provinces의 경계를 재구성할것을 권합니다.

-The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-

-locations 및 provinces 재편은 다음과 같습니다.-

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- The names for each location are as follows.

- 각 위치별 이름은 다음과 같습니다。

U - Hwaju



1Munju
2Anbyeon
3Goju
4Hwaju
5Jeongpyeong
6Yongju

V - Hamheung
1Hamheung
2Hongwon
3Jangjin
4Samsal
5Danju
6Heocheon
7Bokju
8Sinheung
9Yeonggwang
10Pungseo
11Bujeon

W - Gyeongseong
1Gyeongseong
2gilju
3Myeongcheon
4Buryeong
5Hoeryeong
6Gyeongwon
7Gyeongheung
8Jongseong
9Anhwa
10Onseong

Y - Musan
1Samsu
2Gapju
3Musan
4Hyesan
5Jaedeok


- Next is Tamna. -

-다음으로 탐라 입니다。-

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The area used to be called "Tamna" during the Goryeo Dynasty and "Jeju" during the Joseon Dynasty. It was an island that existed as a kind of country, moving between independence and dependency relationship from the time when Goguryeo, Baekje, and Silla existed until the early Goryeo Dynasty. Therefore, the area developed its own culture, which was different from the mainland (the Korean Peninsula). It was also the area where horses were raised under the influence of Mongolia.

Therefore, I recommend that this location be divided into one "Tamna" province and two to three locations in total, separating from the existing Naju province.

해당 지역은 고려시대에 “탐라”、 조선시대의 “제주”라고 부르던 지역입니다。이 섬은 고구려、백제、 신라가 존재하던 시대부터 고려시대 초기에 이르기까지 독립과 종속관계를 오가며 일종의 국가로서 존재하던 섬입니다。 따라서 이 지역은 본토(한반도)와 다른 독자적인 문화가 발전했습니다。또한 이 지역은 몽골의 영향으로 말을 사육하던 지역이기도 합니다.

따라서 저는 이 지역에서 기존 나주 Provinces에서 "탐라"라는 독자적인 Provinces로 분리하여 총2~3개의 위치로 나눌 것을 권합니다。


-The locations and provinces restructure is as follows.-

-위치변동은 다음과 같습니다。-

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AE 1 - Tamna

1Tamna
2Seogwi

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AE 2 - Tamna
1Tamna
2Seogwi
3Yerae


That's all and thank you for reading this long article.

이상입니다。 긴글을 읽어 주셔서 감사합니다。

Have a happy day everyone!!!


모두 행복한 하루 보내세요!!!


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I don't object to this, but we should also consider balance.
 
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awesome, though a couple of extra points as a korean myself i want to add:

Tamla if divided into 3, should have the north south and *center* as its 3 locations to better represent the fact that dislodging someone resisting in hanlasan has historically been a pain, and has happened quite a bit. There should be a event decently soon after game start of the revolt over tamla falling back under full goyro control around the mid 1350's so it should be important. The 3 goods of the provence should reflect the 3 historical goods of the reigion, fruits, *horses*, and fish respectivly. having horses in the mountains might be the best idea? since fish and fruit were in the lowlands, and techically most of the mountenside was more highlands then harsh mountains.
While Tamla was de jure fully intergrated into korea by the 12th century, it was de facto a vassel state up to the mid 14th century. so yes, it should be a vassel state with a unique though in same culture group as korean proper.
Ullung, i feel might benefit from having a relesable tag and a seperate cultrue to korea proper? idk. at any rate, should exist on the map. honestly if east asia post 15th centrury hadn't frozen up on trade ullung might have become a decently important middle resting point in east sea/sea of japan trading?

speaking of the sea of japan issue... at least locally, and historically, it HAS been known more as the sea of korea(china/japan) or east sea (china/korea), but then again, familiarity. I wonder if it could be shown as east sea if playing as the sinosphere but sea of japan as japan and non eastern countries? for flavor.

there is one more elephant in the room, and that is tsushima. before the imjin war, tsushima was technically running double time as a vassel of sorts to *both* the japanese and koreans and mediating trade between the two. would be interesting if this is modeled.
To add, China refers to the Sea of Japan as the Whale Sea rather than the East China Sea. The East China Sea has two meanings, one referring to all the oceans east of China's coastline. Another type is the sea area south of the Yellow Sea (West Korean Sea), north of the South China Sea, and west of the Ryukyu Islands