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Tinto Maps #30 - 20th of December 2024 - South America

Hello and welcome to one Friday of map-loving! Today is special, as our 30th Tinto Maps, devoted to South America, is the last regular one. This implies that it won’t be the last, though - we plan to have two Tinto Maps Extra on December 27th and January 3rd, and then we will continue with the Tinto Maps Feedback posts as we progress with the map review.

But don’t worry, as on the first post-Christmas Friday, January 10th, I will start a new series, Tinto Flavor, in which we will show the content that we have been working on for Project Caesar. And I promise you, it’s a ton of content, so you will have to play the game in due time to discover it all…

Before we continue, one note: as we're covering a lot of lands today, don't be shy and ask for more detailed maps of the type you want wherever you want them, and I'll try to provide in the replies. And now, let’s start with the South American maps:

Countries
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Most of the countries that can be considered being at a State-wise level in 1337 are mostly concentrated in what is today Perú. We have famous ones, as the Chimu or Chincha, and you may also see a tiny country, Qusqu, which would later become the Inca Empire, the long-term goal while playing in the region.

Dynasties
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SoPs
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There are SoPs spread out all across the continent, making for a really interesting mix in the Peruvian area (again). We're already thinking about how to better visualize the coexistence of these two types of countries in the political layer, but it's going to take us some more time to get there.

Locations
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One note: I'll talk a bit more in-depth about the design of the Brazilian locations if you scroll down, in the Terrain section.

Provinces
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Areas
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Terrain
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There are huge geographical variations in South America, being one of the most diverse continents. One of the things I wanted to discuss is that we've tried to portray the Mata Atlântica, the original forest cover that was present in Brazil before the Portuguese colonized it, and a different type of land exploitation started. In this regard, we've been reading the feedback of the Brazilian community, and I want to say that our intention here is to portray the most realistic situation for 1337. That said, we've already internally discussed that we may reduce its scope, so it doesn't look so extreme, but we'd like to hear your opinions about it. And here you have one of the images that we used as a reference for it, so you get a good grasp of our intention:
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Development
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Natural Harbors
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Culture
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The jewel of the crown in this region. We've tried to portray the Pre-Columbian cultural diversity of these lands as accurately as possible, and, well, here you have the results.

Languages
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And the languages that group these cultures.

Religions
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We've tried to do our best to group the cultural religions of South America into different groups, based on common believes, gods, rituals, etc. Let us know what do you think of them. Oh, also, the Inti religion has its own differentiate mechanics, which we'll explain in the future!

Raw Goods
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Lots of different natural resources in South America. You may note that some are more common compared to other regions (such as Medicaments). We've also been tweaking the color of different resources, with the help of your feedback!

Markets
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The green market is centered around Teyuna, and the red one is Chinchay.

Population
Some issues with the map of the region this week (sadly), so let's discuss the numbers. The total in the continent is 10.22M, divided this way:
  • 1.66M in Colombia
  • 1.2M in Brazil
  • 5.07M in Andes
  • 877K in Chaco
  • 1.4M in La Plata
And that's all for today! We hope that you enjoyed the Tinto Maps series! We've definitely done, and it's also greatly helping us to make Project Caesar a much better game, with your help and feedback. Cheers!
 
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Lumber12.42%
Livestock10.99%
Wild Game10.19%
Fish8.96%
Wheat5.84%
Fur4.83%
Legumes3.94%
Wool3.25%
Rice2.81%
Fruit2.75%
Sturdy Grains2.48%
Cotton2.35%
Stone2.28%
Fiber Crops2.11%
Clay2.03%
Iron1.90%
Maize1.80%
Salt1.79%
Horses1.64%
Sand1.32%
Gold1.19%
Wine1.09%
Medicaments1.04%
Copper0.98%
Dates0.86%
Spices0.69%
Gems0.61%
Silk0.61%
Silver0.60%
Ivory0.56%
Marble0.47%
Lead0.44%
Tea0.44%
Coal0.43%
Sugar0.43%
Dyes0.42%
Olives0.40%
Pearls0.39%
Tin0.37%
Alum0.36%
Elephants0.34%
Tobacco0.28%
Soybeans0.27%
Cocoa0.23%
Incense0.16%
Saltpeter0.16%
Mercury0.15%
Amber0.15%
Potatoes0.13%
Coffee0.07%
Do you think in the future it will be possible to get data from the slave trade? It should probably be useful for you, and just interesting for players, but some tables with numbers of the last x years of slave trade with the origin of the slaves and who buys them
 
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I honestly feel insulted, you even made the Querandí related to the southern peoples but you went out of your way to make the Het related to the mapuche in religion and language. They were not the same people. That's like making chinese people speak japanese.

The het should speak Tshon and have that Kénos religion you gave to the other chonan peoples. And they better belong to the same cultural group...
 
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Debes conectar las ubicaciones de Pirèn, Puelco y Chaitén; Arica debe tener esta forma; no debe conectarse con Tacna, creando un ángulo extraño en el Golfo de Arica; y si por alguna razón quieres colonizar el Estrecho de Magallanes, donde históricamente está Punta Arenas, Ciaike tiene una forma extraña para el juego. (Históricamente, las fronteras aquí son casi rectas; si nos apartamos de la historia como se hizo en este mapa, al menos podríamos hacer líneas curvas más agradables estéticamente).
 
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I also find it strange you made "klaromeko" (it should be Yahuincó or Quequén. Preferably Quequén, as it is the oldest recorded name) such a poor level port, when the Quequén port is one of the biggest in argentina.

I mean, it should be at least a tinge green...
 
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The locations along the coast of what is now northern Chile are too flat. In some places, such as south of present day Antofagasta, the mountains extend right up to the ocean. There should also be some natural harbour suitability in that area - present day Coquimbo for example.
 
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3. There's a remarkably small amount of gold in the bits of Brazil that rather famously pulled so much gold out of the ground that they got named after all that mining. Part of the problem here is the overreaching wastelands again - Minas Gerais would be one of the richest, most populated areas of the country late into the game's period, yet when I tried to look at it I had to piece it together from the corners of screenshots because it's been wastelanded so much. On the gold point, there should be some gold in southern Brazil, too, but the specific there demands more locations inland.
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Agree with everything else, but goods produced are dynamic, meaning that more likely than not it would change to gold in the region for colonial countries
 
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I got to say that the amount of uncolonized land in the andes is a bit concerning, even when superimposing the settled states over the SoP's it seems pretty empty. even more so when compared to Mesoamerica with its multitude of settled states and North America with its multitude of SoP's
 
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May I give a suggestion? As many people are already giving feedback about the Mata Atlantica (Atlantic Rainforest), the Brazilian Arid region in map is more of a semi-arid biome called Caatinga (meaning white woods in the native language). The vegetation is a complex mix of xeric shrublands, open wooddy savannas and proper thorn forests with small trees. There is no way it can only be represented as Grasslands. There are also small enclaves of Atlantic Forest vegetation on higher elevations (Between 600m and 900m or higher) called "Brejos de Altitude". These are moist broadleaf forests resembling a mix of amazonian and atlantic forest flora and fauna and should be better represented on the map.

Here is an example of the high elevation forests in the Ceara state
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Also here is a vegetation map for the Caatinga biome. Source: Castanho et al. (2020) - A close look at above ground biomass of a large and heterogeneous Seasonally Dry Tropical Forest - Caatinga in North East of Brazil"
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Now let's go to the Amazon, the Marajoaran population is estimated as 100k people in that island alone, there is evidence of complex matrilineal society, pottery making, agriculture and complex wood and mound buildings. Also, the Kambeba (or Omagua) people are not represented, despite being one of the most important tribes in the amazon basin, with a centralized rule, landless aristocracy, trade and complex terraforming (they used to create artifical islands and did soil enrichment). In the 17th century there were more than 400 villages between the Javari and Jutai rivers and an estimated 91k to 100k people living in the region around the 15th century before the arrival of Europeans. The Amazon basin is not the wasteland described in the map, many different tribes used to live there, using the rivers as highways for trade (with andean civilizations mind you), wars, and to settle new places. Not developing these areas and just labeling as wastelands is not true to the rich and complex history of the amazon region.

Brazil's pre-colonial population is very underestimated overall, 10M people is the most recent estimative for native population before european arrival.

Some sources:
Here's my very preliminary suggestion for a new terrain configuration, based on your sources (thank you very much, was about to go after them now that I have some time ^^):

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Note that I took some liberties to overrepresent the Lençóis Maranhenses as a Desert location (they probably don't actually occupy half of the location, but I would just love to see them represented - that's personal taste though).


EDIT: updated vegetation map for the entirety of Brazil on p. 22 of this thread
 
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IMO there should be yerba mate representation as a good, being a tea, it could break up the large chunk of wild game on rio grande do sul and the chunk of lumber in paraguay. It was a very important plant for the natives, especially the guarani, and is still a very important plant for the region today. The natural range of the plant is on the image bellow.

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