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Tinto Maps #4 - 31th of May 2024 - Poland, Ruthenia, Baltic

Hello everyone, and welcome to the fourth Tinto Maps! The feedback that we've received so far has been great, and there will be news soon regarding the map fixes that we've already done.

This week we are showing you Poland, Lithuania, Ruthenia, and the Baltic region. Let’s check it with no further ado:

Countries
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A bigger picture of what’s going on in this region today, as we hadn’t shown it entirely before. To the west, the Kingdom of Poland is ruled by Casimir III of the House of Piast. It is not a completely unified kingdom, as there are several powerful vassals under him, most of them also Piasts themselves.

To the east, the Duchy of Lithuania is ruled by Gediminas, who has greatly expanded the influence of the country into Russian lands (side note: Gediminas entitled himself in his diplomatic correspondence ‘king’, but was considered by the Pope ‘king or duke’, and the title of Grand Duke wouldn’t be formally adopted until later [most likely replicating the Russian title ‘Grand Prince’]. That’s why Lithuania starts as a Duchy, although it will have an event that would make it possible to adopt the dynamic country name of ‘Grand Duchy’).

To the south, the principalities of Kyiv and Galicia-Volhynia have recently fallen under foreign influence, the first ruled by Theodor, brother of Gediminas of Lithuania; and the second by Yuri II, also from the Piast dynasty.

To the north, the Teutonic and Livonian Orders, which conquered the lands of Prussia and Livonia a century ago, are at war against Poland and Lithuania, after a long-established rivalry.

Also, a side note: we will talk about Moldavia in the Tinto Maps devoted to the Carpathian region, as it’s currently in a ‘placeholder’ spot.


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A new map mode, the Diplomatic one! The game starts with an ongoing war between Poland, Lithuania, and their respective vassals, on one side, and the Teutonic and Livonian Orders, and Bohemia and its vassals, on the other.

Locations
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Here you have the locations of Poland, Lithuania, Ruthenia, and the Baltic region. Some issues that have already been reported by our Polish coworkers are the inconsistencies in the location naming in Polish (we’ll use proper Polish letters more thoroughly), and we’ve also started to review both the Polish and Baltic locations based on the early feedback you gave us. Oh, also, the Vistula and Curonian Lagoons missing is a bug, we’ll properly re-add them while doing the map review.

Provinces
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Any suggestions for provincial naming are pretty welcome, as in the last DD!

Terrain
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Cultures
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The Baltic lands have an interesting mix of different cultures. ‘Western Baltic’ culture represents the people speaking a West Baltic language (Old Prussians, Yotvingians, Curonians, etc.), while ‘Prussian’ is the culture of the German settlers of that area; on that style, we have a ‘Baltic German’ culture in the lands of Livonia and Estonia that also got settled by German-speaking people. The divide between Polish, Ruthenian, and Aukstaitian might be too deep, so we will most likely add a bit more mixed situation in the borders between these cultures.

Religions
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A region with a more interesting religious setup! Apart from the Catholic-Orthodox divide, you can also see the Romuva religion, which was a hot topic in 1337 (shall the Dukes of Lithuania convert to Catholicism, or stay Pagan?). Red stripes to the north are other Animist populations. Also, disregard the Sunni region to the southeast, as we have to review all the pops of the Pontic Steppes, as well.

Raw Goods
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From the distribution of the materials, maybe a couple of things might catch your eye. The first is that there’s an Amber good present on the shores of the Baltic Sea. The second is that the Tatra Mountains, in Slovakia, have a bunch of precious metals, which makes them a very interesting area to exploit and develop.

Population
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The population of the region is divided into country and location views. Two notes: The total population of Estonia is not 711K people, that’s the total for its owner, Denmark. Second, we’ve read your feedback regarding the population map mode, and we’ll take a look at how to improve the visualization of the data, making it better for you.

EDIT: Markets
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And that’s all for today! The region that we'll show next week is Italy! Cheers!
 
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Krosno (Krossen here) location should be part of Lusatia and not Silesia
It seems you've been unknowingly living in historical Lower Silesia all your life then :)
Lower Silesia extended north reaching Krosno, Sulechów, Świebodzin.
See the map below. Krosno, which I highlighted in red, lays in Herzogtum Schlesien / Duchy of Silesia.


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Here you also have more contemporary map created by Lusatian author showing Krosno outside (though very close to the border) of Lusatia:

Pomerania should not include Danzig or Tuchel
Vistula was the eastern border of Pomerania, thus yes, both Danzig and Tuchel were part of it. Bear in mind that Pomerania is broader term than Pomerelia - the latter is the part of the former.

Kladzko can also be part of Silesia.
Kłodzko was historically tied with Bohemia and started being administered as part of Silesia only after Habsburgs lost this land along with most of Silesia to Prussians in mid-18th century.
 
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You should change the name of Galicia-Volhynia to Halych-Volhynia
the term Galicia comes from the king of Hungary's title Galicia & Lodomeria for those lands. However, Hungary ruled over these lands for very short amount of time and thus shouldn't have been considered.
This country consists of northern part Volhyn and south with city of Liviv Halycz.

Halycz comes from the Ukrainian word for Jackdaw bird, Halka.
The region was called Red Ruthenia anyway as "First mentioned by that name in a Polish chronicle of 1321"


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(Here is banner of Halych from the 1410's battle of Grunwald)

term Galicia wasn't in popular use till the 19th centurt.


Link to my reddit Post on r/EU5 about this with more details.
It's not really though, the devs specifically said that they would stick to the "Wikipedia standard" of using the English exonyms for countries, and Principality of Galicia seems to be the standard that Wikipedia follows. Galicia is the latinization of the name from OES, not necessarily from or connected to the Hungarian claim on the Principalities.
 
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Manifesting the Duchy of Gniewkowo will be included...

While Duchy of Inowrocław was indeed Polish by 1337, do not forget about the last rump Kuyavian duchy - Gniewkowo!
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It's still independent and ruled by Kazimierz III of Gniewkowo (the father of Władysław the White who has a LoTR-ahh name and later became a French monk but came back to Poland to participate in the post-Casimirian power struggle)

I am going to take over Poland as Kujawy or I will die trying
 
I'm afraid we won't see Feedback again this week...

The only day this week that there can be Feedback is tomorrow. From what I remember it was always on Tuesdays.

The problem is that because of this there is a stagnation. The remaining regions waiting for their Feedback suffer from this.

It's better to finally get feedback and propose further smaller changes than to keep adding something and extending the time.

I'm counting on feedback today. I'm begging for it!



Please stop. It is too far. You are pressuring the developers with your remarks every day. Quit bullying. You are acting immaturely.
 
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Hey! Just wanted to let you know that we're done with the review of the region, and that it's been implemented in the game. I'll post it on Monday, as today I've got to finish preparing tomorrow's Tinto Maps.
 
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Hey! Just wanted to let you know that we're done with the review of the region, and that it's been implemented in the game. I'll post it on Monday, as today I've got to finish preparing tomorrow's Tinto Maps.
"Ode to Joy" in the background.
 
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Hey guys! Quite a nice map of my home region. Several corrections should be made though.
1. Toponyms: (overall, wiki has a decent map with city/region names: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Galicia–Volhynia)
  1. Radekhiv - The first written mention of Radekhiv dates back to 1472, To the east of Belz there is a city of Sokal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal), quite prominent at that time. Can we get that renamed?
  2. Sbarasch - that's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbarazh
  3. Khmelnytskyi? Named after hetman living in 1648, really? There's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medzhybizh. Ancient fortress exactly in the province's area.
  4. Kamianets-Podilsky - it's was just Kamianets. Podilsky was added way after game's timeframe.
  5. Nova Ushytsia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_Ushytsia. The settlement was founded in 1439 as Litnivtsi
  6. Chelm - that's current city/region name, but at the moment of time, when it was ruled by Galician kingdom, thus it's original name at the start of the game should be Kholm (even wikipedia mentions this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chełm). Obv, when part of kingdom of Poland naming change should be used to Chelm.
  7. Same for Przemysl -> Peremyshl, Lubaczow -> Lubachiw, Rzeszow -> Ryashiw, Sanok -> Syanok
  8. Hrubieszow (citing wiki: Probably in 1400 Rubieszów received a town charter, so at the game start if was some sort of forest hunting shed). there were several prominent cities in the area, one of them being Cherven (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherven_Cities). Might be worthy substitution as well.
2. Region naming
  1. Cholm, Peremyshl same as cities, changed to Chelm and Przemysl once Polish.
  2. Halychyna= Red Ruthenia - that's more like area name, Halych (same as city) should be enough for region.
3. Trade goods
  1. Where's Drohobych salt?? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drohobych_salt_plant - recorded operational from 1250!
4. Topography
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To summarize, don't get me wrong, but as game's timeframe is starting before Polish kingdom conquered Galicia-Wolhynia (Kingdom of Ruthenia), and implies things might go other way around - toponymics at the start of the game should reflect that?
 
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Why haven't your historians learned to use historical literature to study Kyivan Rus'?

Did you know that Russia is the Greek name that Muscovy took for itself, and Ruthenia is the Latin name?

You still call them Ruthenians (Latin name) or generally Russians (lol) instead of Rusyns. In your games, there are even two different cultures, Ruthenians and Russians.

You still have confusion in the games: Russian culture is present in your CK3, even though there were no Russians at that time. Instead of Rusyns, you use the Latin "Ruthenia." The people of Muscovy began to be officially referred to as Russians after Peter the Great renamed the state from Muscovy to Russia in 1721, following his proclamation of the Russian Empire.

Do you know how to use chatgpt.com? It will help you a lot to avoid making these stupid mistakes with Ruthenia
 
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