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Tinto Maps #4 - 31th of May 2024 - Poland, Ruthenia, Baltic

Hello everyone, and welcome to the fourth Tinto Maps! The feedback that we've received so far has been great, and there will be news soon regarding the map fixes that we've already done.

This week we are showing you Poland, Lithuania, Ruthenia, and the Baltic region. Let’s check it with no further ado:

Countries
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A bigger picture of what’s going on in this region today, as we hadn’t shown it entirely before. To the west, the Kingdom of Poland is ruled by Casimir III of the House of Piast. It is not a completely unified kingdom, as there are several powerful vassals under him, most of them also Piasts themselves.

To the east, the Duchy of Lithuania is ruled by Gediminas, who has greatly expanded the influence of the country into Russian lands (side note: Gediminas entitled himself in his diplomatic correspondence ‘king’, but was considered by the Pope ‘king or duke’, and the title of Grand Duke wouldn’t be formally adopted until later [most likely replicating the Russian title ‘Grand Prince’]. That’s why Lithuania starts as a Duchy, although it will have an event that would make it possible to adopt the dynamic country name of ‘Grand Duchy’).

To the south, the principalities of Kyiv and Galicia-Volhynia have recently fallen under foreign influence, the first ruled by Theodor, brother of Gediminas of Lithuania; and the second by Yuri II, also from the Piast dynasty.

To the north, the Teutonic and Livonian Orders, which conquered the lands of Prussia and Livonia a century ago, are at war against Poland and Lithuania, after a long-established rivalry.

Also, a side note: we will talk about Moldavia in the Tinto Maps devoted to the Carpathian region, as it’s currently in a ‘placeholder’ spot.

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A new map mode, the Diplomatic one! The game starts with an ongoing war between Poland, Lithuania, and their respective vassals, on one side, and the Teutonic and Livonian Orders, and Bohemia and its vassals, on the other.

Locations
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Here you have the locations of Poland, Lithuania, Ruthenia, and the Baltic region. Some issues that have already been reported by our Polish coworkers are the inconsistencies in the location naming in Polish (we’ll use proper Polish letters more thoroughly), and we’ve also started to review both the Polish and Baltic locations based on the early feedback you gave us. Oh, also, the Vistula and Curonian Lagoons missing is a bug, we’ll properly re-add them while doing the map review.

Provinces
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Any suggestions for provincial naming are pretty welcome, as in the last DD!

Terrain
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Cultures
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The Baltic lands have an interesting mix of different cultures. ‘Western Baltic’ culture represents the people speaking a West Baltic language (Old Prussians, Yotvingians, Curonians, etc.), while ‘Prussian’ is the culture of the German settlers of that area; on that style, we have a ‘Baltic German’ culture in the lands of Livonia and Estonia that also got settled by German-speaking people. The divide between Polish, Ruthenian, and Aukstaitian might be too deep, so we will most likely add a bit more mixed situation in the borders between these cultures.

Religions
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A region with a more interesting religious setup! Apart from the Catholic-Orthodox divide, you can also see the Romuva religion, which was a hot topic in 1337 (shall the Dukes of Lithuania convert to Catholicism, or stay Pagan?). Red stripes to the north are other Animist populations. Also, disregard the Sunni region to the southeast, as we have to review all the pops of the Pontic Steppes, as well.

Raw Goods
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From the distribution of the materials, maybe a couple of things might catch your eye. The first is that there’s an Amber good present on the shores of the Baltic Sea. The second is that the Tatra Mountains, in Slovakia, have a bunch of precious metals, which makes them a very interesting area to exploit and develop.

Population
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The population of the region is divided into country and location views. Two notes: The total population of Estonia is not 711K people, that’s the total for its owner, Denmark. Second, we’ve read your feedback regarding the population map mode, and we’ll take a look at how to improve the visualization of the data, making it better for you.

EDIT: Markets
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And that’s all for today! The region that we'll show next week is Italy! Cheers!
 
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HumbleWarrior said:
So I hope that I'm not to late for this information to be usefull. The HRE tinto maps shows four nations without dynasties, I thought I would have a crack at them as well.
One again this should be easier with Erwin Gatz' Die Bischöfe des Heiligen Römischen Reiches 1198 bis 1448. But it is beyong my reach, so I'm limited to open-source and university-access.

From deutsche-biographie
  • Chelmno: Otto von Reval, from an unnamen vassal family, so potentially a noble?
  • Samland: Johannes Clare, from a common family.

Other sources
  • Pomasia: Bertold von Riesenburg. Unknown. My source references Erwin Gatz, that might contain more information. wiag-vocab.adw-goe
  • Warmia: Martin Zindal. No mention is made of noble ancestry. Sadly, I found no other source than wikipedia, which references Erwin Gatz. The story is interesting, after the death of the prior bishop, Heinrich Wogenap, the Teutonic order pressured the clergy to elect Martin as bishop. However, the bishop of Riga refused to consecrate him, leaving the throne sort-of-empty for three years, until in December 1337 when the pope asked Martin to resign, and consecrated Hermann of Prague as the next bishop. He found it difficult to reign, as the Teutons and clery did not want this outside appointee, and refused access to Prussia until 1340.
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Otto von Reval might also be a burgher from Reval perhaps (?).
 
LordHoth said:
Otto von Reval might also be a burgher from Reval perhaps (?).
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It sounds reasonable, though name might also be the result of him being canon of the church in Reval. The original German text describing his genealogy is as follows: 'Aus namentl. nicht genanntem Vasallengeschlecht im damals dänisch Nordestland.', so it's far from a rich source of information. My German is not wat it used to be, but I would tend towards some minor noble or knightly family.
 
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Teutonic_Knight_2000 said:
Dzień dobry!

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As a Pole, I would like to praise the fact that the cultural situation (even Rusyn is there!!!) in this region is really well presented and that the density of locations and provinces does not differ from the rest of Europe. Above I presented suggestions for new cultures and minor corrections to the area of cultural dominance. Suggests adding the following Cultures:

Poland

Add Masovian and Goral cultures. Optionally, you can divide Polish culture into: Lesser-Polish and Greater-Polish - with the possibility of uniting them into Old Polish (Old Polish can combine with Masovian culture into Polish).

Baltic & Lithuania

Delete of the Western Baltic culture and add Sudovian and Curonian cultures. While on the subject of the Balts, I believe that it should be possible to combine Aukstaitians and Samogitians into Lithuanian culture.

Ruthenia

Split of the Ruthenian culture into:
  1. White Ruthenian
  2. Red Ruthenian
  3. Kyivan Ruthenian
  4. Polesian?
White Ruthenian and Polesian can merge into Belarusian culture. Similarly, Red Ruthenian and Kyivan Ruthenian can merge into Ukrainian culture.

Provinces

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  1. It is necessary to add new provinces in Upper Silesia: Bytom, Pszczyna and Racibórz. Together with Opole, Opava and Těšín would form a new region: Upper Silesia.
  2. Zielona Góra should be a new province of Lower Silesia. Together with Głogów, Legnica and Wrocław would form a Lower Silesia region.
  3. Wizna should be rename into Łomża and Białystok should be renamed into Drohiczyn or Podlasie.
  4. Rename Kozienice into Radom and Pajęczno into Piotrków / or Piotrków Trybunalski
  5. Rename Ragnit into Memel.
  6. Rename Lipno into Dobrzyń.
  7. Rename some Greater Poland provinces: Kalisz into Konin, Koźmin into Kalisz and Kościan into Wschowa.

Locations (new ones & correction of names)

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Brand new locations:
  1. Jelenia Góra (in Silesian: Jelyńo Gůra)
  2. Wałbrzych (in Silesian: Wałbrzich)
  3. Tarnowskie Góry (in Silesian: Tarnowske Gůry)
  4. Gliwice (in Silesian: Glywice)
  5. Racibórz (in Silesian: Racibōrz)
  6. Pszczyna (in Silesian: Psczina)
  7. Bielsko (in Silesian: Biylsko)
  8. Ostrawa (in Silesian: Uostrawa)
  9. Łomża
  10. Kolno
  11. Wizna and Goniądz new places
  12. Warszawa
  13. Deutsch Eylau (in polish: Iława)
  14. Elbing (in polish: Elbląg)
  15. Rößel new place - Allenstein in old place
  16. Angerburg new place - Lötzen in old place
  17. Siewierz (in Silesian: Śewjyrz)
  18. Strzelce Opolskie (in Silesian: Wielge Strzelce)
  19. Namysłów (in Silesian: Namysłůw)
  20. Nysa (in Silesian: also Nysa)
  21. Środa Śląska (in Silesian: Ślůnsko Środa)
  22. Lwówek Śląski (in Silesian: Ślůnski Lwůwek)

New locations names in Silesian and Kashubian (this is about dynamic names in these two languages - Silesian for Silesian culture and Kashubian for Kashubian culture):

Silesian
  1. Opole rename into Ôpole
  2. Brieg rename into Brzyg
  3. Opava rename into Uopawa
  4. Těšín rename into Ćeszyn
  5. Racibórz rename into Kluczbork (in Silesian: Kluczborek) BTW. THIS IS BAD LOCALISATION OF RACIBÓRZ
  6. Rybnik rename into Rybńik
  7. Bytom rename into Bytůń
  8. Wrocław rename into Brosłōw
  9. Jawor (without rename)
  10. Lubań (without rename)
  11. Zielona Góra rename into Zielōnŏ Gōra or Grinberg
  12. Wschowa (without rename)
  13. Wołów rename into Wołůw
  14. Legnica rename into Ligńica
  15. Głogów rename into Głogůw
  16. Żagań rename into Žahań
  17. Świdnica (without rename)
  18. Trzebnica rename into Trzebńica
  19. Oleśnica rename into Uoleśńica
  20. Oława (without rename)
  21. Grodków rename into Grodkōw
  22. Koźle (without rename)
  23. Lubliniec rename into Lublyńec
  24. Oświęcim rename into Uośwjyńćim
  25. Żywiec rename into Żywjec

Kashubian (also works for the Polabian culture)

  1. Stettin rename into Szcecëno
  2. Wolin rename into Wòlëń
  3. Schlawe rename into Słôwno
  4. Berent rename into Kòscérzna
  5. Kołobrzeg rename into Kòlbrzég
  6. Butow rename into Bëtowò
  7. Putzig rename into Pùckò
  8. Dramburg rename into Drôwa
  9. Lebork rename into Lãbórg
  10. Wolgast rename into Wòłogòszcz
  11. Rostock rename into Roztok
  12. Belgard rename into Biôłogarda
  13. Danzig rename into Gdúnjsk
  14. Karthaus rename into Kartëzë
  15. Tuchel rename into Tëchòlô
  16. Saatzig rename into Stôrgard
  17. Stolp rename into Stôłpskò
  18. Wyrzysk rename into Wërzëskò
  19. Schwetz rename into Swiecé
  20. Flatow rename into Złotowò
  21. Brandenburg rename into Branibòr
  22. Ruppin rename into Rypin
  23. Berlin rename into Kòpanica
  24. Köslin rename into Kòszalëno
  25. Dirschau rename into Dërszewò
  26. Bydgoszcz rename into Bëdgòszcza
Goral (potential)
  1. Nowy Sącz rename into Sonc
  2. Zakopane rename into Zakopec
  3. Jasło rename into Josiel
TAG's

On start of game

  1. Duchy of Głogów
  2. Duchy of Świdnica
  3. Duchy of Brzeg
  4. Duchy-Bishop of Nysa
Formable

  1. Kingdom of Silesia (united Silesia)
  2. Duchy of Lower Silesia (united Lower Silesian region)
  3. Duchy of Upper Silesia (united Upper Silesian region)
  4. Duchy of Pszczyna
  5. Duchy of Koźle
  6. Duchy of Bielsko
  7. Duchy of Krnov
  8. Kingdom of Kashubia (united Kashubia)
  9. Duchy of Masovia (united Masovian region)
  10. Grand Duchy of Lithuania (Lithuania with majority of "Belarusian" provinces)
  11. Yotvingia (Sudovian tribe state)
  12. Polesie Freedom (Polesian state)
  13. Goral Freedom (Goral state)
  14. Rusyn Freedom (Rusyn state)
  15. Kingdom of Piast's (reunification of all Piast states)
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Creating a goral culture is stupid because such a culture exists only as folklore, we have our own costumes, dialect, singing and traditions, but we are still Poles and we consider ourselves Poles in the first place, such an exception may be in the case of Silesian culture which is also actually Polish culture with own dialect. At most, Kashubian culture could find its place in the game
 
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One note about Poland, or rather, the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, is I hope the country is called "Poland-Lithuania" and not "Commonwealth" like in EU4 (the dynamic name "Kingdom of Commonwealth" in EU4 was not great). "Commonwealth" could be a dynamic government name, just like "Kingdom" or "Empire", so you could have the "Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth" or "Commonwealth of Poland-Lithuania", as the full dynamic name, similar to "Kingdom of England" or "Tsardom of Russia" etc etc.

If Poland-Lithuania abandons its elective monarchy system (which, the evolution of the Polish political system in EU4 was, let's call it, pretty strange, hope they do it better here), then it could be the "Polish-Lithuanian Kingdom/Empire" if it becomes an absolutist monarchy.


(maybe somewhat unrelated to the maps themselves but where else will I make this point?)
 
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I think, that in Łęczyca (this smaller one in Łęczyca) should be Marsh as terrain. City of Łęczyca is next to Warsaw-Berlin glacial valley and between 2 rivers like Bzura and Ner (tributaries of the Vistula and Warta/Odra). Due to "wet neighborhood", it was only dry passage in this place, so it was used as one of amber routes. I heard from locals histories, that City of Łęczyca was founded to make some money from traders on this amber route.
 
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SuperLexxe said:
And Poland recognized TOs claims in Pomeralia. So in-game that would be "renounce cores" Poland currently has there.
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Well, they recognised the Order's ownership of it. But it's not like Poland really gave up ambition to regain it, as evidenced by the fact that they did re-annex the region a century later. I'm not sure if the idea of forcing a country to renounce its cores is really coherent. The thing that that region being a core of Poland represents is that it was inhabited by a Polish population and widely seen as an integral part of Poland. Trying to get the Polish government to "renounce" that is like telling the Polish people there to renounce their Polishness. Removing the cores should be a long process of removing the institutions, elites, and culture that tie it to Poland.
 
Linbot#6018 said:
Well, they recognised the Order's ownership of it. But it's not like Poland really gave up ambition to regain it, as evidenced by the fact that they did re-annex the region a century later. I'm not sure if the idea of forcing a country to renounce its cores is really coherent. The thing that that region being a core of Poland represents is that it was inhabited by a Polish population and widely seen as an integral part of Poland. Trying to get the Polish government to "renounce" that is like telling the Polish people there to renounce their Polishness. Removing the cores should be a long process of removing the institutions, elites, and culture that tie it to Poland.
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Yeah well, no clue how cores work in the game, just that we know they exist.
 
SuperLexxe said:
And Poland recognized TOs claims in Pomeralia. So in-game that would be "renounce cores" Poland currently has there.
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And officially TO had to pay war reperations for it which in the end they didn't pay. Just likr Casimir III didn't stop to title himself the owner of Pomorze Gdańskie. None of the parties holded to its promises but it was remarkably long peace treaty.

You know. It took a lot of money, conviction and 2 treaties for Casimir to renounce Silesia( of which he still had an ambition to reconquer later in his life )
 
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Rayski said:
Although I'm generally happy with the map of the region created by Paradox, given that I had some spare time, I thought I'd give it a try and draw a map of my own.
  • The map was created in QGIS (Gall Stereographic CRS ESRI:54016) and is fully georeferenced (if anyone is interested in a geopackage let me know and I'll share it).
  • I tried to keep original location density. Ended up with 204 locations, compared with 189 in the original map.
  • The main source that served as the frame for the map were the materials published by Polish Academy of Science as part of their project "Historical Atlas of Poland. Polish Lands of the Crown in the Second Half of the Sixteenth Century" carried over at the Institute of History (more info: HERE and HERE, this project has already mentioned a few times in this thread). Links to source materials are provided at the bottom of this post. The frame map is available HERE . Its georeferenced version can be downloaded HERE.
  • On top of reflecting changes of external country borders, my goal was to closely depict internal administrative division of the Crown (voivodeships).
  • Borders of powiats (second-level units of administrative division; a powiat is part of a larger unit - voivodeship) were followed as long as they allowed for creation of locations of reasonable size and shape.
  • The map gives a chance to recreate all changes to external western and eastern borders of PL (limited by the extent of this map, thus in the east reaching no further than Ruthenia and Podolia) that took place historically from the start of the game until end of 18th century (e.g. gaining control over area around Wałcz and Wschowa, gaining control over Lębork, Bytów, Drahim to lose it to Brandenburg mid-17th century, Siewierz, temporary control over Krzemieniec Land in Volhynia, temporary control over part of Neumark and others).
  • Haven't got enough time to cover Silesia.

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Below is the list of locations, their size (in km2), region they belong to and Polish / German / Ruthenian names (Ruthenian only for Red Ruthenia and Podolia, German only for northern and western locations).

fidloc_namearea_km2administrative_regionloc_name_pol_histloc_name_pol_modernloc_name_gerloc_name_rut
34brz_RADZIEJÓW1,201Brześć Kujawski VoivodeshipRadziejówRadziejówRadeow
35brz_BRZEŚCIE848Brześć Kujawski VoivodeshipBrześcieBrześć KujawskiBrest
36brz_PRZEDECZ1,250Brześć Kujawski VoivodeshipPrzedeczPrzedeczMoosburg
91che_TORUŃ879Chełmno VoivodeshipToruńToruńThorn
92che_CHEŁMNO1,048Chełmno VoivodeshipChełmnoChełmnoKulm
93che_GRUDZIĄDZ1,394Chełmno VoivodeshipGrudziądzGrudziądzGraudenz
94che_LUBAWA1,489Chełmno VoivodeshipLubawaLubawaLöbau
103SIEWIERZ674Duchy of SiewierzSiewierzSiewierzSewerien
32ino_BYDGOSZCZ1,423Inowrocław VoivodeshipBydgoszczBydgoszczBromberg
33ino_INOWROCŁAW1,387Inowrocław VoivodeshipInowrocławInowrocławInowrazlaw
95dob_LIPNO1,058Inowrocław VoivodeshipLipnoLipnoLeipe
96dob_DOBRZYŃ852Inowrocław VoivodeshipDobrzyńDobrzyń nad WisłąDobrin
97dob_RYPIN1,099Inowrocław VoivodeshipRypinRypinRippin
26kal_ŻNIN1,342Kalisz VoivodeshipŻninŻninZnin
27kal_WĄGROWIEC1,113Kalisz VoivodeshipWągrowiecWągrowiecWongrowiec
28kal_KCYNIA913Kalisz VoivodeshipKcyniaKcyniaExin
29kal_CHODZIEŻ1,355Kalisz VoivodeshipChodzieżChodzieżChodziesen
30kal_ZŁOTOWO1,196Kalisz VoivodeshipZłotowoZłotówFlatow
31kal_NAKIEL1,088Kalisz VoivodeshipNakielNakło nad NoteciąNakel
63kal_KALISZ1,188Kalisz VoivodeshipKaliszKaliszKalisch
64kal_ODALANÓW736Kalisz VoivodeshipOdalanówOdolanówAdelnau
65kal_KOŹMIN987Kalisz VoivodeshipKoźminKoźmin WielkopolskiKoschmin
66kal_PLESZÓW1,209Kalisz VoivodeshipPleszówPleszewPleschen
67kal_KOŁO871Kalisz VoivodeshipKołoKołoKolo
68kal_KONIN919Kalisz VoivodeshipKoninKoninKonin
69kal_PYZDRY871Kalisz VoivodeshipPyzdryPyzdryPeisern
70kal_SŁUPCA954Kalisz VoivodeshipSłupcaSłupcaSlupca
71kal_ŚRODA1,232Kalisz VoivodeshipŚrodaŚroda WielkopolskaNeumarkt
72kal_GNIEZNO1,206Kalisz VoivodeshipGnieznoGnieznoGnesen
101kra_CZĘSTOCHOWA1,405Kraków VoivodeshipCzestochowaCzestochowaTschenstochau
102kra_LELÓW1,609Kraków VoivodeshipLelówLelów
104kra_MIECHÓW1,550Kraków VoivodeshipMiechówMiechów
105kra_PROSZOWICE977Kraków VoivodeshipProszowiceProszowice
106kra_OLKUSZ1,664Kraków VoivodeshipOlkuszOlkusz
107kra_KRAKÓW1,539Kraków VoivodeshipKrakówKraków
108kra_ZATOR1,439Kraków VoivodeshipZatorZator
109kra_ŻYWIEC1,214Kraków VoivodeshipŻywiecŻywiec
110kra_NOWY_TARG2,197Kraków VoivodeshipNowy TargNowy Targ
111kra_MYŚLIMICE1,206Kraków VoivodeshipMyślimiceMyślenice
112kra_BOCHNIA1,098Kraków VoivodeshipBochniaBochnia
113kra_SĄDECZ2,032Kraków VoivodeshipSądecz NowyNowy Sącz
114kra_BIECZ2,354Kraków VoivodeshipBieczBiecz
80BYTÓW605Lębork-Bytów LandBytówBytówBütow
82LĘBORK1,289Lębork-Bytów LandLęborkLęborkLauenburg
60lec_BRZEZINY1,550Łęczyca VoivodeshipBrzezinyBrzeziny
61lec_ŁĘCZYCA1,773Łęczyca VoivodeshipŁęczycaŁęczycaLenczyca
62lec_ORŁÓW1,056Łęczyca VoivodeshipOrłówOrłów
132lub_URZĘDÓW2,643Lublin VoivodeshipUrzędówUrzędów
133lub_KAZIMIERZ1,487Lublin VoivodeshipKazimierzKazimierz
134lub_LUBLIN2,319Lublin VoivodeshipLublinLublin
135lub_ŁUKÓW2,049Lublin VoivodeshipŁukówŁuków
136lub_PARCZÓW2,079Lublin VoivodeshipParczówParczew
85mal_MALBORK1,315Malbork VoivodeshipMalborkMalborkMarienburg
86mal_ELBLĄG1,012Malbork VoivodeshipElbiągElblągElbing
138maz_WYSZOGRÓD991Mazovian VoivodeshipWyszogródWyszogródHohenburg an der Weichsel
139maz_PUŁTUSK1,121Mazovian VoivodeshipPułtowskPułtuskPoltow
140maz_CIECHANÓW938Mazovian VoivodeshipCiechanówCiechanówZechenau
141maz_PRZASNYSZ1,850Mazovian VoivodeshipPrzasnyszPrzasnyszPezaßnitz
142maz_GARWOLIN1,649Mazovian VoivodeshipGarwolinGarwolin
143maz_GRÓJEC1,910Mazovian VoivodeshipGrodziecGrójec
144maz_CZERSK1,190Mazovian VoivodeshipCzerskCzersk
145maz_WARSZAWA1,927Mazovian VoivodeshipWarszawaWarszawaWarschau
146maz_LIW1,465Mazovian VoivodeshipLiw StaryLiw
147maz_RÓŻAN1,179Mazovian VoivodeshipRożanRóżanRozan
148maz_KAMIENIEC2,036Mazovian VoivodeshipKamieniecKamieńczyk
149maz_NUR1,295Mazovian VoivodeshipNurNur
150maz_ZAMBRÓW1,016Mazovian VoivodeshipZambrowoZambrów
151maz_OSTROŁĘKA1,690Mazovian VoivodeshipOstrołękaOstrołękaOstrolenka
152maz_ŁOMŻA1,328Mazovian VoivodeshipŁomżaŁomżaLumbsee
153maz_WIZNA1,392Mazovian VoivodeshipWiznaWiznaWizna
1nma_STRZELCE_KRAJEŃSKIE1,220NeumarkStrzelceStrzelce KrajeńskieFriedeberg
203nma_GORZEW1,053NeumarkGorzewGorzów WielkopolskiLandsberg
205nma_ŚWIDWIN1,164NeumarkŚwidwinŚwidwinSchivelbein
206nma_CHOSZCZNO1,134NeumarkChoszcznoChoszcznoArnswalde
207nma_DRAWSKO1,207NeumarkDrawskoDrawsko PomorskieDramburg
213nma_MYŚLIBÓRZ914NeumarkMyślibórzMyślibórzSoldin
214nma_CHOJNA1,017NeumarkChojnaChojnaKönigsberg
215nma_KOSTRZYN1,061NeumarkKostrzynKostrzyn nad OdrąKüstrin
222neu_STERNBERGNeumarkTorzymTorzymSternberg
98plo_PŁOCK982Płock VoivodeshipPłockoPłockPlotzk
99plo_RACIĄŻ1,944Płock VoivodeshipRaciążRaciążHarnau
100plo_MŁAWA1,373Płock VoivodeshipMławaMławaMielau
154pdl_MIELNIK1,819Podlachian VoivodeshipMielnikMielnik
155pdl_DROHICZYN2,582Podlachian VoivodeshipDrohiczynDrohiczyn
156pdl_BIELSK2,460Podlachian VoivodeshipBielskBielsk Podlaski
157pdl_GONIĄDZ1,645Podlachian VoivodeshipGoniądzGoniądzGonionds
158pdl_TYKOCIN2,086Podlachian VoivodeshipTykocinTykocin
168pod_CZERWONOGRÓD3,380Podolian VoivodeshipCzerwonogródCzerwonogródChervonohorod
169pod_PŁOSKIRÓW2,141Podolian VoivodeshipPłoskirówPłoskirówProskuriv
170pod_LATYCZÓW2,082Podolian VoivodeshipLatyczówLatyczówLetychiv
171pod_CHMIELNIK1,282Podolian VoivodeshipChmielnikChmielnikKhmilnyk
172pod_GRÓDEK2,148Podolian VoivodeshipGródekGródekHorodok
173pod_KAMIENIEC_PODOLSKI3,177Podolian VoivodeshipKamieniecKamieniec PodolskiKamianets
174pod_RÓW3,018Podolian VoivodeshipRówBarRov
175pod_LETNIOWCE2,962Podolian VoivodeshipLetniowceLetniowceLitnivtsi
73pom_ŚWIECIE1,327Pomeranian VoivodeshipŚwiecieŚwiecieSchwetz
74pom_NOWE836Pomeranian VoivodeshipNoweNoweNeuenburg
75pom_TUCHOLA1,597Pomeranian VoivodeshipTucholaTucholaTuchel
76pom_CHOJNICE1,605Pomeranian VoivodeshipChojniceChojniceKonitz
77pom_HAMERSZTYN1,336Pomeranian VoivodeshipHamersztynCzarneHammerstein
78pom_GNIEW1,450Pomeranian VoivodeshipGniewGniewMewe
79pom_TCZEW986Pomeranian VoivodeshipTczewTczewDirschau
81pom_KOŚCIERZYNA1,667Pomeranian VoivodeshipKościerzynaKościerzynaBerent
83pom_PUCK1,005Pomeranian VoivodeshipPuckPuckPutzig
84pom_GDAŃSK1,262Pomeranian VoivodeshipGdańskGdańskDanzig
37poz_GOSTYŃ1,294Poznań VoivodeshipGostyńGostyńGostyn
38poz_ŚREM826Poznań VoivodeshipŚremŚremSchrimm
39poz_KOŚCIAN1,011Poznań VoivodeshipKościanKościanKosten
40poz_WSCHOWA637Poznań VoivodeshipWschowaWschowaFraustadt
41poz_POZNAŃ1,311Poznań VoivodeshipPoznańPoznańPosen
42poz_ROGOŹNO1,246Poznań VoivodeshipRogoźnoRogoźnoRogasen
43poz_SZAMOTUŁY1,082Poznań VoivodeshipSzamotułySzamotułySamter
44poz_SIERAKÓW833Poznań VoivodeshipSierakówSierakówZirke
45poz_WIELEŃ1,319Poznań VoivodeshipWieleńWieleńFilehne
46poz_WAŁCZ1,629Poznań VoivodeshipWałczWałczArnskrone
47poz_SKWIERZYNA854Poznań VoivodeshipSkwierzynaSkwierzynaSchweren
48poz_MIĘDZYRZECZ1,001Poznań VoivodeshipMiędzyrzeczMiędzyrzeczMeseritz
49poz_LWOWEK1,102Poznań VoivodeshipLwowekLwówekNeustadt bei Pinne
50poz_GRODZISK780Poznań VoivodeshipGrodziskoGrodzisk WielkopolskiGrätz
51poz_BABIMOST1,168Poznań VoivodeshipBabimostBabimostBomst
159poz_DRAHIM659Poznań VoivodeshipDrahimDrahimDraheim
180war_FROMBORK1,153Prince-Bishopric of WarmiaFromborkFromborkFrauenburg
181war_LIDZBARK1,322Prince-Bishopric of WarmiaLidzbarkLidzbark WarmińskiHeilsberg
182war_OLSZTYN1,777Prince-Bishopric of WarmiaOlsztynOlsztynAllenstein
183pru_KWIDZYŃ1,655PrussiaKwidzynKwidzynMarienwerder
184pru_MORĄG1,951PrussiaMorągMorągMohrungen
185pru_NIBORK1,804PrussiaNiborkNidzicaNeidenburg
186pru_PASYM1,699PrussiaPasymPasymPassenheim
187pru_ŚWIETA_SIEKIERKA1,600PrussiaŚwięta SiekierkaŚwiętomiejsce / Święta SiekierkaHeiligenbeil
188pru_BARSZTYN1,224PrussiaBarsztynBartoszyceBartenstein
189pru_OSTRÓDA1,476PrussiaOstródOstródaOsterode
190pru_ZĄDŹBORK1,613PrussiaZądźborkMrągowoSensburg
191pru_Rastembork1,619PrussiaRastemborkKętrzynRastenburg
192pru_JAŃSBORK1,983PrussiaJańsborkPiszJohannisburg
193pru_ŁEK2,002PrussiaŁekEłkLyck
194pru_WĘGOBORK1,714PrussiaWęgoborkWęgorzewoAngerburg
195pru_KRÓLEWIEC1,127PrussiaKrólewiecKrólewiecKönigsberg
196pru_WELAWA2,171PrussiaWelawaWelawaWehlau
197pru_WYSTRUĆ1,990PrussiaWystrućWystrućInsterburg
198pru_RAGNETA2,488PrussiaRagnetaRagnetaRagnit
199pru_TYLŻA2,054PrussiaTylżaTylżaTilsit
200pru_GOŁDAP1,643PrussiaGołąbGołdapGoldap
201pru_RYBAKI1,105PrussiaRybakiRybakiFischhausen
202pru_KŁAJPEDA1,633PrussiaKłajpedaKłajpedaMemel
87raw_RAWA1,851Rawa VoivodeshipRawaRawa Mazowiecka
88raw_ŁOWICZ1,160Rawa VoivodeshipŁowiczŁowiczLowitsch
89raw_SOCHACZEW1,696Rawa VoivodeshipSochaczewSochaczew
90raw_GOSTYNIN1,489Rawa VoivodeshipGostyninGostyninGostynin
164bel_LUBACZÓW2,278Bełz VoivodeshipLubaczówLubaczówLiubachiv
165bel_BUSK2,032Bełz VoivodeshipBuskBuskBusk
166bel_BEŁZ3,283Bełz VoivodeshipBełzBełzBelz
167bel_HRUBIESZÓW2,076Bełz VoivodeshipRubieszówHrubieszówRubeshiv
2rus_RATNO2,400Ruthenian VoivodeshipRatnoRatnoRatne
3rus_LUBOML3,074Ruthenian VoivodeshipLubomlLubomlLiuboml
5rus_KRASNYSTAW2,350Ruthenian VoivodeshipKrasnystawKrasnystawKrasnostav
6rus_KROSNO2,610Ruthenian VoivodeshipKrosnoKrosnoKrosno
8rus_PRZEWORSK2,560Ruthenian VoivodeshipPrzeworskPrzeworskPerevorsk
10rus_PRZEMYŚL3,115Ruthenian VoivodeshipPrzemyślPrzemyślPeremyshl
11rus_JAWORÓW2,379Ruthenian VoivodeshipJaworówJaworówYavoriv
12rus_SAMBOR2,999Ruthenian VoivodeshipSamborSamborSambir
13rus_STRYJ2,156Ruthenian VoivodeshipStryjStryjStryi
14rus_DROHOBYCZ1,983Ruthenian VoivodeshipDrohobyczDrohobyczDrohobych
15rus_DOLINA2,797Ruthenian VoivodeshipDolinaDolinaDolyna
16rus_ŻYDACZÓW1,896Ruthenian VoivodeshipŻydaczówŻydaczówZhydachiv
17rus_LWÓW2,774Ruthenian VoivodeshipLwówLwówLviv
18rus_TREMBOWLA2,298Ruthenian VoivodeshipTrembowlaTrembowlaTerebovlia
19rus_MIKULIŃCE2,249Ruthenian VoivodeshipMikulińceMikulińceMykulyntsi
20rus_ŚNIATYN2,438Ruthenian VoivodeshipŚniatynŚniatynSniatyn
21rus_KOŁOMYJA3,601Ruthenian VoivodeshipKołomyjaKołomyjaKolomyia
22rus_HALICZ2,686Ruthenian VoivodeshipHaliczHaliczHalych
23rus_Tyśmienica2,671Ruthenian VoivodeshipTyśmienicaTyśmienicaTysmenytsia
24rus_ZŁOCZÓW2,172Ruthenian VoivodeshipZłoczówZłoczówZolochiv
25rus_BRODY2,223Ruthenian VoivodeshipBrodyBrodyBrody
161rus_RZESZÓW1,928Ruthenian VoivodeshipRzeszówRzeszówRiashiv
162rus_SANOK1,999Ruthenian VoivodeshipSanokSanokSianok
163rus_CHEŁM3,162Ruthenian VoivodeshipChełmChełmKholm
115san_ROPCZYCE1,991Sandomierz VoivodeshipRopczyceRopczyce
116san_PILZNO1,426Sandomierz VoivodeshipPilznoPilzno
117san_TARNÓW1,194Sandomierz VoivodeshipTarnówTarnów
118san_MIELEC2,640Sandomierz VoivodeshipMielecMielec
119san_WIŚLICA1,203Sandomierz VoivodeshipWiślicaWiślica
120san_PIŃCZÓW1,009Sandomierz VoivodeshipPińczówPińczów
121san_SANDOMIERZ888Sandomierz VoivodeshipSandomierzSandomierz
122san_PRZEDBÓRZ1,546Sandomierz VoivodeshipPrzedbórzPrzedbórz
123san_CHĘCINY1,120Sandomierz VoivodeshipChęcinyChęciny
124san_OPOCZNO2,179Sandomierz VoivodeshipOpocznoOpoczno
125san_KIELCE1,123Sandomierz VoivodeshipKielceKielce
126san_BODZĘCIN1,388Sandomierz VoivodeshipBodzęcinBodzentyn
127san_OPATÓW1,166Sandomierz VoivodeshipOpatówOpatów
128san_RADOM1,635Sandomierz VoivodeshipRadomRadom
129san_SZYDŁOWIEC953Sandomierz VoivodeshipSzydłowiecSzydłowiec
130san_IŁŻA1,356Sandomierz VoivodeshipIłżaIłża
131san_ZWOLEŃ1,484Sandomierz VoivodeshipZwoleńZwoleń
137san_STĘŻYCA1,759Sandomierz VoivodeshipStężycaStężyca
52sie_OSTRZESZÓW1,747Sieradz VoivodeshipOstrzeszówOstrzeszówSchildberg
53sie_WIELUŃ1,503Sieradz VoivodeshipWieluńVielin
54sie_SIERADZ1,373Sieradz VoivodeshipSieradz
55sie_BRZEŹNICA1,413Sieradz VoivodeshipBrzeźnicaNowa BrzeźnicaBrzeznica
56sie_RADOMSKIE1,638Sieradz VoivodeshipRadomskieRadomsko
57sie_PIOTRKÓW2,052Sieradz VoivodeshipPiotrkówPiotrków TrybunalskiPetrikau
58sie_SZADEK1,309Sieradz VoivodeshipSzadek
59sie_UNIEJÓW1,320Sieradz VoivodeshipUniejówUnienau
176wol_WŁODZIMIERZ2,044Volhynian VoivodeshipWłodzimierzWłodzimierzVolodymyr
177wol_KOWEL2,360Volhynian VoivodeshipKowelKowelKovel
178wol_ZBARAŻ2,246Volhynian VoivodeshipZbarażZbarazh
179wol_KRZEMIENIEC1,816Volhynian VoivodeshipKrzemieniecKrzemieniecKremenets
160pza_SZCZECINEK1,256Western PomeraniaSzczecinekSzczecinekNeustettin
216pza_BIAŁOGRÓD1,307Western PomeraniaBiałogródBiałogardBelgard
217pza_BOBOLICE930Western PomeraniaBoboliceBoboliceBublitz
218pza_KOŁOBRZEG1,554Western PomeraniaKołobrzegKołobrzegKolberg
219pza_SŁUPSK1,914Western PomeraniaSłupskSłupskStolp
220pza_MIASTKO1,566Western PomeraniaMiastkoMiastkoRummelsburg
221pza_SŁAWNO1,586Western PomeraniaSławnoSławnoSchlawe


Provinces.
Average number of locations per province is 5 - 6. The smallest province has 3 locations. The biggest has 9.
For sake of consistency I named provinces after their capital / most important city and avoided region names (Ermland, Masuria, Podlachia, Podolia).

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Voivodeships.
Just for historical flavour. They won't have any in-game impact.

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Sources.
Crown (excl. Red Ruthenia and Podolia):
https://data.atlasfontium.pl/documents/497/link

Mapy z przeszłością

Mapy z przeszłością AtlasFontium IH PAN
atlas.ihpan.edu.pl atlas.ihpan.edu.pl
https://data.atlasfontium.pl/maps/178 (incl. LAYERS)
https://data.atlasfontium.pl/layers/?limit=5&offset=0 (incl. LAYERS)

Red Ruthenia:

Prussia:

Western Pomerania and Neumark:
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I think you cannot recreate German Empire borders nor Kingdom of Prussia borders with those locations you've proposed.

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gregoreq said:
I am asking you to change the county of Zakopane to the county of Nowy Targ because Zakopane as a city was founded only in 1933 and as a village in 1578 and had no cultural or economic influence until the 20th century... Nowy Targ received city rights in 1346 from King Casimir the Great and from the very beginning it performed important local and economic functions. Fur as a raw material may be ok at the beginning of the game. After discovering America, it would be a good idea to replace fur with potatoes because it is the only thing that grew in this harsh mountainous terrain.
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This.

Zakopane had no significance until rich folks from Kraków "discovered" it in the 19th century as a mountain resort.

Around the year 1500 there was virtually no settlement above 600-650 metres, mainly because the climate didn't allow for reliable cultivation of crops outside the bottom of the Dunajec valley. Potatoes being introduced allowed for the settlement line to go up to 800-900 metres, and between 1550 and 1800 one sees places consistently higher up these mountain valleys being settled, but even in the late 1600's, places like Zakopane and Poronin were more like hamlets than actual villages, with populations measured in the 10's. Around 1700, Nowy Targ would have a population of about 1000 (down from 1500-2000 right before the Swedes plundered the region during the Deluge), with market rights, a proper administrative centre, judiciary and military presence. South of Nowy Targ, towards the mountains, there were "proper villages" like Białka, Czarny- and Biały Dunajec, with populations around 100-300, and above there, there were just tiny settlements like Zakopane, Poronin, Chochołów and Jurgów with low-double digit permanent populations, no police presence, poverty, no markets or anything, and a haven for outlaws, until one would to places like Liptovsky Mikulas and Kezmarok on the Slovak (Hungarian) side, which were like the equivalent of Nowy Targ there. If anything, that region was very much a "frontier" during the late middle ages and early modern era.

Also, the populations in those regions is listed as way too high. The province listed as "Zakopane" has no more than 4 000 people around 1350. Quite possibly even fewer, around 1 500-2 000. The tens of thousands in that region is more like the population around 1800, the introduction of potatoes allowed the population to grow by a factor 20. Also, the high Carpathian provinces should have a colder climate than "continental" - subarctic would be more appropriate to reflect this.
 
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@Pavía is the feedback still poised for this week? Seeing how tomorrow has a new dev diary, and Friday has a new map diary?
 
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Teutonic_Knight_2000 said:
I'm afraid we won't see Feedback again this week...
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Maybe tomorrow? But we'll see. I hope the devs are still somewhat 'on schedule', so to speak.

Edit: Aaah, this sucks a little. Next week then, I guess........
 
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