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Tinto Maps #4 - 31th of May 2024 - Poland, Ruthenia, Baltic

Hello everyone, and welcome to the fourth Tinto Maps! The feedback that we've received so far has been great, and there will be news soon regarding the map fixes that we've already done.

This week we are showing you Poland, Lithuania, Ruthenia, and the Baltic region. Let’s check it with no further ado:

Countries
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A bigger picture of what’s going on in this region today, as we hadn’t shown it entirely before. To the west, the Kingdom of Poland is ruled by Casimir III of the House of Piast. It is not a completely unified kingdom, as there are several powerful vassals under him, most of them also Piasts themselves.

To the east, the Duchy of Lithuania is ruled by Gediminas, who has greatly expanded the influence of the country into Russian lands (side note: Gediminas entitled himself in his diplomatic correspondence ‘king’, but was considered by the Pope ‘king or duke’, and the title of Grand Duke wouldn’t be formally adopted until later [most likely replicating the Russian title ‘Grand Prince’]. That’s why Lithuania starts as a Duchy, although it will have an event that would make it possible to adopt the dynamic country name of ‘Grand Duchy’).

To the south, the principalities of Kyiv and Galicia-Volhynia have recently fallen under foreign influence, the first ruled by Theodor, brother of Gediminas of Lithuania; and the second by Yuri II, also from the Piast dynasty.

To the north, the Teutonic and Livonian Orders, which conquered the lands of Prussia and Livonia a century ago, are at war against Poland and Lithuania, after a long-established rivalry.

Also, a side note: we will talk about Moldavia in the Tinto Maps devoted to the Carpathian region, as it’s currently in a ‘placeholder’ spot.


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A new map mode, the Diplomatic one! The game starts with an ongoing war between Poland, Lithuania, and their respective vassals, on one side, and the Teutonic and Livonian Orders, and Bohemia and its vassals, on the other.

Locations
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Here you have the locations of Poland, Lithuania, Ruthenia, and the Baltic region. Some issues that have already been reported by our Polish coworkers are the inconsistencies in the location naming in Polish (we’ll use proper Polish letters more thoroughly), and we’ve also started to review both the Polish and Baltic locations based on the early feedback you gave us. Oh, also, the Vistula and Curonian Lagoons missing is a bug, we’ll properly re-add them while doing the map review.

Provinces
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Any suggestions for provincial naming are pretty welcome, as in the last DD!

Terrain
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Cultures
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The Baltic lands have an interesting mix of different cultures. ‘Western Baltic’ culture represents the people speaking a West Baltic language (Old Prussians, Yotvingians, Curonians, etc.), while ‘Prussian’ is the culture of the German settlers of that area; on that style, we have a ‘Baltic German’ culture in the lands of Livonia and Estonia that also got settled by German-speaking people. The divide between Polish, Ruthenian, and Aukstaitian might be too deep, so we will most likely add a bit more mixed situation in the borders between these cultures.

Religions
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A region with a more interesting religious setup! Apart from the Catholic-Orthodox divide, you can also see the Romuva religion, which was a hot topic in 1337 (shall the Dukes of Lithuania convert to Catholicism, or stay Pagan?). Red stripes to the north are other Animist populations. Also, disregard the Sunni region to the southeast, as we have to review all the pops of the Pontic Steppes, as well.

Raw Goods
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From the distribution of the materials, maybe a couple of things might catch your eye. The first is that there’s an Amber good present on the shores of the Baltic Sea. The second is that the Tatra Mountains, in Slovakia, have a bunch of precious metals, which makes them a very interesting area to exploit and develop.

Population
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The population of the region is divided into country and location views. Two notes: The total population of Estonia is not 711K people, that’s the total for its owner, Denmark. Second, we’ve read your feedback regarding the population map mode, and we’ll take a look at how to improve the visualization of the data, making it better for you.

EDIT: Markets
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And that’s all for today! The region that we'll show next week is Italy! Cheers!
 
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like, last week, so it's a bit overdue
We were talking about the end of this week. But Friday belongs to the new Tinto Maps.

Saturday is the day of presenting a building. Sunday is very doubtful.
 
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You included Koźle but didn't added it to the map.
True! I missed it. Thanks, it's now properly displayed on the map.

Siewierz came into Cieszyn rule on 8th of May 1337 (Don't know the exact starting date.) You made Opawa-Racibórz it's own tag, while Legnica would have dominion over Brzeg, shouldn't there be one standard? Overall great, also you should mention that alongside Jawor, Świdnica and Nysa were also not vassalized yet.

The game starts on 1st of April 1337, Siewierz still belonged to Bytom at that time. It changed hands to Cieszyn one month later, as you pointed out.

As for Opawa / Racibórz and Legnica / Brzeg - the difference between them is that after the death of Leszek (duke of Racibórz) Opawa and Racibórz were merged into one entity by John of Bohemia - they ceased to exist as separate duchies and formed together the Duchy of Opawa-Racibórz ruled by Nicholas II Premyslid (former duke of Opawa), while Legnica and Brzeg remained de jure as two separate states, albeit ruled by the same person - duke of Legnica (in 1417 they too merged to form Duchy of Legnica-Brzeg).

It's true about Jawor, Świdnica and Nysa - those were the only three Silesian states that at the start of the game were not vassailized by Bohemia.
 
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knowing there are characters in PC some of the polish nobility in the PLC era were of ruthenian or lithuanian origin so i hope to not see Radziwiłł(lithuanian Radvila) or Ostrogski(ukrainian Ostrozki) characters in 1337 Poland, and secondly the teutons usually recruited knights from western and central europe to fight for them in their crusades so will there be a mechanic for the teutons to recruit pops to fight for them as long as they are fighting pagans (suggestion)
 
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I did work in the past few days on comlementing my map by adding the area of Silesia.
Given the importance of the region, its medieval fragmentation and mining resources occurence, I felt it deserves a bit higher location density than the area north-east of it. My map-drawing imperative, however, was that no Silesian location can be smaller than 900 km2 (for comparison: some HRE locations are < 600 km2).


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loc_namearea_km2administrative_regionloca_name_pol_histloc_name_pol_modernloc_name_gerloc_name_cze
sla_GRODKÓW
904​
ŚląskGrodkówGrodkówGrottkau
sla_TOSZEK
1274​
ŚląskToszekToszekTost
sla_BYTOM
902​
ŚląskBytomBytomBeuthen
sla_KOŹLE
915​
ŚląskKoźleKędzierzyn-KoźleCosel
sla_CIESZYN
1356​
ŚląskCieszynCieszynTeschenTěšín
sla_FRYSZTAT
1115​
ŚląskFrysztatFrysztatFreistadtFryštát
sla_NYSA
917​
ŚląskNysaNysaNeisse
sla_RACIBÓRZ
1089​
ŚląskRacibórzRacibórzRatibor
sla_RYBNIK
932​
ŚląskRybnikRybnikRybnik
sla_PSZCZYNA
1158​
ŚląskPszczynaPszczynaPleß
sla_LUBLINIEC
979​
ŚląskLubliniecLubliniecLublinitz
sla_MILICZ
1325​
ŚląskMiliczMiliczMilitsch
sla_TRZEBNICA
1254​
ŚląskTrzebnicaTrzebnicaTrebnitz
sla_OLEŚNICA
905​
ŚląskOleśnicaOleśnicaÖls
sla_NAMYSŁÓW
1041​
ŚląskNamysłówNamysłówNamslau
sla_KLUCZBORK
1232​
ŚląskKluczborkKluczborkKreuzburg
sla_WOŁÓW
970​
ŚląskWołówWołówWohlau
sla_OPOLE
1396​
ŚląskOpoleOpoleOppeln
sla_PRUDNIK
925​
ŚląskPrądnikPrudnikNeustadt
sla_ŚCINAWA
1049​
ŚląskŚcinawaŚcinawaSteinau
sla_OPAWA
1192​
ŚląskOpawaOpawaTroppauOpava
sla_KARNIÓW
911​
ŚląskKarniówKarniówJägerndorfKrnov
sla_FRYWAŁDÓW
1121​
ŚląskFrywałdówFrywałdówFreiwaldauFrývaldov
sla_KŁODZKO
1650​
ŚląskKładzkoKłodzkoGlatzKladsko
sla_ŻARY
1053​
ŚląskŻaryŻarySorau
sla_KROSNO
1110​
ŚląskKrosnoKrosno OdrzańskieCrossen
sla_ŚWIEBODZIN
1082​
ŚląskŚwiebodzinŚwiebodzinSchwiebus
sla_ŻAGAŃ
1264​
ŚląskŻagańŻagańSagan
sla_ZIELONA_GÓRA
1403​
ŚląskZielona GóraZielona GóraGrünberg
sla_KOŻUCHÓW
963​
ŚląskKożuchówKożuchówFreystadt
sla_GŁOGÓW
1016​
ŚląskGłogówGłogówGlogau
sla_BOLESŁAWIEC
976​
ŚląskBolesławiecBolesławiecBuntzlau
sla_LWÓWEK
996​
ŚląskLwówekLwówek ŚląskiLöwenberg
sla_JELENIA_GÓRA
1015​
ŚląskJelenia GóraJelenia GóraHirschberg
sla_ZŁOTORYJA
904​
ŚląskZłotoryjaZłotoryjaGoldberg
sla_LEGNICA
1018​
ŚląskLegnicaLegnicaLiegnitz
sla_JAWOR
1021​
ŚląskJaworJaworJauer
sla_WROCŁAW
1385​
ŚląskWrocławWrocławBreslau
sla_ŚWIDNICA
1332​
ŚląskŚwidnicaŚwidnicaSchweidnitz
sla_ZIĘBICE
900​
ŚląskZiębiceZiębiceMünsterberg
sla_STRZELIN
1044​
ŚląskStrzelinStrzelinStrehlen
sla_BRZEG
1203​
ŚląskBrzegBrzegBrieg



Political Map.
It was painfull to go through this Game-of-Thrones-like political landscape of XIVth century Silesia, with its border changes, duchies merging / splitting, unification efforts, inheritance pecularities and struggle for power.
Main points to note:

Duchy of Jawor - in-game it controls Zittau / Żytawa in Lusatia, which I believe is incorrect. Zittau was indeed controlled by the Duchy of Jawor, but on 4th of January 1337 Henryk I of Jawor renounced his claim and transferred that area to Bohemia in exchange for life-long right to rule in the Duchy of Głogów. As the game starts on 1st of April 1337, Zittau should be given to Bohemia . As for Głogów, it is in hands of Henry I in-game, which is correct, though it may be good to have an event about Bohemia requesting those lands back upon Henry's death. Duchy of Jawor was not a de jure vassal of Bohemia, but rather an independent ally closely cooperating with Czechs (though it changed sides in 1345, allying with Świdnica and Poland).

Duchy of Legnica - it currently controls areas around Brzeg, which is fine, as Bolesław III (duke of Legnica) held as well the title of duke of Brzeg. For perfect historical representation, however, Duchy of Brzeg should be included on the map as dominium of Legnica (i.e. junior partner having the same ruler). I'm not sure, though, if the game allows a country that is someone's vassal (Legnica was a vassal of Bohemia at the game start) to have its own dominions.



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Duchy NameGerman NameRuler NameRuler DynastyDiplomatic StatusWikipedia - DuchyWikipedia - Ruler
Duchy of ŚwidnicaSchweidnitzBolko II the SmallPiastIndependenthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Jaworhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolko_II_the_Small
Duchy of JaworJauerHenryk IPiastIndependenthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Jaworhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_I_of_Jawor
Duchy of ZiębiceMünsterbergBolko IIPiastBohemian vassal since 29 August 1336https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Münsterberghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolko_II_of_Ziębice
Duchy of LegnicaLiegnitzBolesław III the GenerousPiastBohemian vassal since 9 May 1329https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Legnica //
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Brzeg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolesław_III_the_Generous
Ecclesiastical Duchy of NysaNeisseJan Kołda (Nanker)N/A (Prince-bishop)Independent.
In 1342 Bishop Przecław of Pogorzelia swore the oath of fealty to King John the Blind
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Nysahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanker
Duchy of ŚcinawaSteinauJanPiastBohemian vassal since 1329https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzogtum_Steinauhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John,_Duke_of_Ścinawa
Duchy of OleśnicaOelsKonrad IPiastBohemian vassal since 1329https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Oelshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_I_of_Oleśnica
Duchy of PrudnikPrudnikBolesław the ElderPiastBohemian vassal since 1318https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Prudnikhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolesław_the_Elder
Duchy of ŻagańSaganHenry IV the FaithfulPiastBohemian vassal since 1329https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Żagańhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_IV_the_Faithful
Duchy of OpoleOppelnBolesław IIPiastBohemian vassal since 1327https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Opolehttps://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolesław_II_opolski
Duchy of BytomBeuthenWładysławPiastBohemian vassal since 1327https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Bytomhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Władysław_of_Bytom
Duchy of KoźleCoselKazimierzPiastBohemian vassal since 1327https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzogtum_Coselhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_of_Koźle
Duchy of CieszynTeschenCasimir IPiastBohemian vassal since 1327https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Teschenhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_I,_Duke_of_Cieszynp
Duchy of OświęcimAuschwitzJan IPiastBohemian vassal since 1327https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Oświęcimhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_I_the_Scholastic
Duchy of Opawa-RacibórzTroppau-RatiborMikuláš (czech) / Mikołaj (polish)PřemyslidSplit off from Bohemian Margraviate of Maravia in 1269 (Opawa).
Bohemian vassal since 1327 (Ratibor).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Troppau //
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Racib%C3%B3rz
//
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ksi%C4%99stwo_raciborsko-opawskie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_II,_Duke_of_Opava

Coats of arms can be taken from there:


Provinces.
Very similar to the original Tinto setup.

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Raw Resources.
In this thread I wrote more about raw goods. All the sources I used are there. Here the only new things are wine in Zielona Góra, fruits in Brzeg and fish in Rybnik.

Some additional articles I came across:

Fruit in Brzeg:

Wine in Zielona Góra:

Wool in Żywiec:

Horses in Wołów:

Fish in Rybnik:




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Maps I used as a source:
beautiful, mind doing similar to ruthenia?
 
Pajęczno and Wieluń are unusual choices for province names. They are old cities indeed, but I wonder if cities like Sieradz, Piotrków or Radomsko weren't more important back then.
 
You should change the name of Galicia-Volhynia to Halych-Volhynia
the term Galicia comes from the king of Hungary's title Galicia & Lodomeria for those lands. However, Hungary ruled over these lands for very short amount of time and thus shouldn't have been considered.
This country consists of northern part Volhyn and south with city of Liviv Halycz.

Halycz comes from the Ukrainian word for Jackdaw bird, Halka.
The region was called Red Ruthenia anyway as "First mentioned by that name in a Polish chronicle of 1321"


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(Here is banner of Halych from the 1410's battle of Grunwald)

term Galicia wasn't in popular use till the 19th centurt.


Link to my reddit Post on r/EU5 about this with more details.
 
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You should change the name of Galicia-Volhynia to Halych-Volhynia
the term Galicia comes from the king of Hungary's title Galicia & Lodomeria for those lands. However, Hungary ruled over these lands for very short amount of time and thus shouldn't have been considered.
This country consists of northern part Volhyn and south with city of Liviv Halycz.

Halycz comes from the Ukrainian word for Jackdaw bird, Halka.
The region was called Red Ruthenia anyway as "First mentioned by that name in a Polish chronicle of 1321"


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(Here is banner of Halych from the 1410's battle of Grunwald)

term Galicia wasn't in popular use till the 19th centurt.


Link to my reddit Post on r/EU5 about this with more details.
galicia is anglization of Halych and so like how they called Kleve as Cleves or Moskva as Muscovy, i have no issue with it being Galicia
 
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It is not. Name Galicia was first used by Hungarian King's title. Galícia és Lodoméria királysága
The name Galicia appears to have been derived from the city Halych, and the country ruling it in 1337 is called the Kingdom of Galicia-Volhynia in English. As country names have been anglicized so far, using Halych would be unusual.
 
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It is not. Name Galicia was first used by Hungarian King's title. Galícia és Lodoméria királysága
Halych and Galicia are the same thing. They are the same word in different forms. Meanwhile Lodomeria is an alternate version of Volodymyr, which refers to Volodymyr-Volynskyi in this context, so it's just another name for Volhynia.

In summary, Halych-Volhynia, Galicia-Volhynia, Galicia-Lodomeria all are 100% interchangeable.

Any of them would suffice as the name of the country.
 
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So I hope that I'm not to late for this information to be usefull. The HRE tinto maps and dynasties Tinto Talk shows 8 (arch)bishoprics without dynasties, I thought I would have a crack at them as well.
One again this should be easier with Erwin Gatz' Die Bischöfe des Heiligen Römischen Reiches 1198 bis 1448. But it is beyong my reach, so I'm limited to open-source and university-access.

From deutsche-biographie
  • Chelmno: Otto von Reval, from an unnamen vassal family, so potentially a noble?
  • Samland: Johannes Clare, from a common family.

Other sources
  • Pomasia: Bertold von Riesenburg. Unknown. My source references Erwin Gatz, that might contain more information. wiag-vocab.adw-goe
  • Warmia: Martin Zindal. No mention is made of noble ancestry. Sadly, I found no other source than wikipedia, which references Erwin Gatz. The story is interesting, after the death of the prior bishop, Heinrich Wogenap, the Teutonic order pressured the clergy to elect Martin as bishop. However, the bishop of Riga refused to consecrate him, leaving the throne sort-of-empty for three years, until in December 1337 when the pope asked Martin to resign, and consecrated Hermann of Prague as the next bishop. He found it difficult to reign, as the Teutons and clery did not want this outside appointee, and refused access to Prussia until 1340.
  • Courland: Johannes II, mentioned without family name, probably a commoner. Leonid Arbusow. Livlands Geistlichkeit vom Ende des 12 bis Ins 16
  • From the same source: Jakob, bishop of Ösel. Also no family name, probably a commoner
  • Riga: Friedrich von Pernstein, also von Metlow-Pernstein. he was part of a Moravian noble family. Kurt Forstreuter. Erzbischof Friedrich von Riga(1304-1341)
  • Dorpat: Engelbert von Dolen. 'Descends from a vassal family, which had lived in Riga and Dorpat from ca the 13 century.' portal.dnb.de
 
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