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Congrats to the winners and thanks to GM.
 
If I hadn't been too tired and went to be early after several late nights waiting for the deadline I would have been scared because this is the tune I picked as my update death music.

Johho told me to shoot Hazbot on JL orders. I did so, and Hazbot's OEO went off.
Sorry about that. We just wanted to get rid of as many unaccounted for people as we could with lynch-TIE, assassin, van Helsing and wolf hunt. You were just unlucky that you got the OEO.

Nobody knew about it though; EURO snatched him moments before succumbing to your hunt.
Maybe it's just me but I don't allow scanners to claim apprentices unless they survive the night. I think they need at least a day to train their successor. Not sure how other GMs usually do it.

Plus we knew Johho was the liar for ages since I infiltrator scanned him. Getting the hunt around to him was more difficult since he was likely GA protected every other night.
I think I was protected only on one night, the night when EURO died. The padre was sitting with me every now and then though.

Hax said:
It was your own fault! De Chat2 was the #5 suspect on our list and he should have been my 2nd backup hunt target instead of you but then I remembered that I promised you that you'd be the first to know if I had turned wolf and since I temporary turned wolf I thought it fun to pay you a visit.

I do think that vH, Liar, Seer+starting apprentice, priest, doc, and assassin padre is a bit ridiculous when it comes to starting major goodies (almost as many as the wolves).
I'd like to introduce another johho rule of thumb I try to limit myself with when hosting. The number of important goodies should be 4 unless the game is smaller than 25 then it should be 3.

As important goodies I count seer, priest, starting seer/priest apprentices, van Helsing, GA, doctor and this kind of padre.
I normally don't count liar as quite that important because normally the rule set allows for only 3 scans and one kill, which is more in the medium goodie category. With this rule set I'd agree with madchemist I was like an important goodie since I could get 5 scans, 1 kill and some minor stuff.
I like a slightly weaker padre (that ends after finding a wolf) but to use as alternative to witness, not both at the same time. The padre used in this game was intended as a replacement for the doc.

So we had seven important goodies which is at least two too many for my taste.

Thank you johho for denying me the win.
You are welcome?

Well I'd contacted Ithvan days before he subbed out, and possibly even before Johho was in the JL. So I figured he'd passed it on, and the JL just didn't care about my infiltrator scan.
I got a really long list of everyone that had contacted the JL from Ithvan before he left. As far as I know it was complete with two exceptions, you were left off it and Marshall was shown as blessed instead of padre.

Sleepy came up with it? Well he was my rival, so he probably just wanted me dead and didn't think he could lynch me.
He claimed it had nothing to do with that when I asked him... :D

But in all fairness we did avoid the council and the rival triangle at first and only hunted both the other rivals when there really was nowhere else to look for baddies.

Had I been scanned? If not, why am I still alive?
Yes, I seer scanned you the night before so you were one of the 100% certain good guys/gals.

I can't imagine the list of unscanned to be too small, since all seer scans before JCan was lynched were unreliable.
It was surprisingly long actually, especially with regard to the starting baddies.

Yes. johho scanned you the night before (night 7) and that was the direct reason he didn't eat you. He initially had you to be eaten, but then remembered he had cleared you the previous night.
You and DNC managed to make yourselves suspicious, so johho scanned you both over two nights; and then made a joke about being glad you weren't wolves, since he didn't like to lynch girls.
Now, now, it was Sleepy that forgot about the scan. I didn't scan DNC because she was terrible suspect but because on the night I claimed priest I wanted to scan one of the seer scanned players so it was either her, Ike or Hax. I can't excatly remember why I picked her of the three but I was in a real hurry that evening so didn't put too much thoughts into it.

And the girls thing was a joke, I must have killed Kaetje and Calamity lost of times and vice versa, not sure about al-Aziz though.

How is it terrible? And I think part of the suspicion was whether she had told the truth with regard to clearing Ithvan. Johho didn't really believe her story about being jestered into a vH scan because it was just too convenient.
Ah, yes, that I remember. Was I still on about that so late into the game?

I'm flattered that the JL wasted time making sure I wasn't pulling some master ruse of pretending to be a jestered sorcerous powers villager.
Sometimes I overthink things badly... :oops:

I can't help but wonder what might have happened if Ithvan had been able to be active after I contacted him early on.
Why would that have mattered? We knew you were SA but EURO was so suspicious about you he wanted to scan you anyway.

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I really like having OEO as hidden trait and I'm starting to warm up to the zealot. Still hate rivals.
 
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It was your own fault! De Chat2 was the #5 suspect on our list and he should have been my 2nd backup hunt target instead of you but then I remembered that I promised you that you'd be the first to know if I had turned wolf and since I temporary turned wolf I thought it fun to pay you a visit.

In fact Euro's death was one of the reason I didn't trust you enough to contact you first day I was seer because of the worrying of you being turned the no-hunt night. You knew I was protecting you and I thought you had more protectors in the JL so I didn't understand how nobody was protecting EURO that night. Now I know you didn't have more protectors :D
 
In fact Euro's death was one of the reason I didn't trust you enough to contact you first day I was seer. You knew I was protecting you and I thought you had more protectors in the JL so I didn't understand how nobody was protecting EURO that night. Now I know you didn't have more protectors :D
Yep, your single angelic power was all the protection the JL had for the whole game...
 
because he's not an idiot. :rolleyes:

The hunt on you was the standing hunt order, so my death the fault of the random.org gods
 
That council analysis was all crazy though.

I had fun being a baddie on the council that had no idea who the wolves were.

If I wasn't working when Najs outed himself I would have been able to contact him too.
 
That council analysis was all crazy though.

I had fun being a baddie on the council that had no idea who the wolves were.

If I wasn't working when Najs outed himself I would have been able to contact him too.
Why didn't you contact Rovsea the day she was outed?
 
Why didn't you contact Rovsea the day she was outed?
Yes, why didn't you? I took for granted you were in touch with the Reds and used that when I tried to find them. Was very surprised when I checked against Marshall's hunt pattern theory and found out you were eaten by them. Did we get that right BTW?

Also as usual I forgot to thank the GM for a good game, I had a blast and would have liked to see it continue for a little longer. OTOH I wanted to win the game before I got eaten...
 
Yes, why didn't you? I took for granted you were in touch with the Reds and used that when I tried to find them. Was very surprised when I checked against Marshall's hunt pattern theory and found out you were eaten by them. Did we get that right BTW?

Also as usual I forgot to thank the GM for a good game, I had a blast and would have liked to see it continue for a little longer. OTOH I wanted to win the game before I got eaten...

Now I'm thinking... in my scan your result would be positive because you were lying, so I would have made an outing against you next day using gorgan probably, that could have been funny :D:D:D
 
Fair enough.
Well, not really. But I never expected it to come down to my second backup.

Now I'm thinking... in my scan your result would be positive because you were lying, so I would have made an outing against you next day using gorgan probably, that could have been funny :D:D:D
Enough people knew I was lying about being a wolf. But the question for them would be if they could trust me when I said I was lying, which is sort of the opposite of what we usually discuss. :D
 
Now I'm thinking... in my scan your result would be positive because you were lying, so I would have made an outing against you next day using gorgan probably, that could have been funny :D:D:D
Johho did have the leader on his side, so he'd not be lynched ;)
 
Yes, why didn't you? I took for granted you were in touch with the Reds and used that when I tried to find them. Was very surprised when I checked against Marshall's hunt pattern theory and found out you were eaten by them. Did we get that right BTW?
No, he was lynched before he got a chance to be hunted.
Rov's outing made me super convinced that at least one of the baddies on the council were in contact with the reds, and I'm still surprised to look back and see that it didn't occur. In fact, @Gen. Skobelev, why didn't you contact the reds?
 
Johho did have the leader on his side, so he'd not be lynched ;)

We were a lot of players, you need at least 50% of the votes and if gorgan makes the outing I don't think you could have so much votes against anybody else. The thing iis if Gorgan knew about Johho lying or not.
 
We were a lot of players, you need at least 50% of the votes and if gorgan makes the outing I don't think you could have so much votes against anybody else. The thing iis if Gorgan knew about Johho lying or not.
The council knew of both me and johho, so did Gorgan, Marshall and Audren. Gorgan even knew that the plan was for johho to claim wolf.

You were supposed to be lynched the following day as the last unscanned person anyway.