Tinto Maps #4 Poland, Ruthenia, Baltic Feedback

[madaszo]

I have no historical knowledge more than 12 years of Basic education in Poland (and living in the area) but i have no idea how you made more locations and removed Będzin which seems pretty important to me knowing that it got its castle during King casimir reign (we are poor in eastern Europe so castle means important city). Also i was really hyped for Będzin (where i live) especially after area was barbarized in ck3 in which it is named after city founded in XIX century

 

[Mingmung]

I have no historical knowledge more than 12 years of Basic education in Poland (and living in the area) but i have no idea how you made more locations and removed Będzin which seems pretty important to me knowing that it got its castle during King casimir reign (we are poor in eastern Europe so castle means important city). Also i was really hyped for Będzin (where i live) especially after area was barbarized in ck3 in which it is named after city founded in XIX century

Maybe because Siewierz is definitely more important, and there's not enough space otherwise. Micro-locations wouldn't make sense here.

 

[ErnestvonLauenb]

Maybe because Siewierz is definitely more important, and there's not enough space otherwise. Micro-locations wouldn't make sense here.

But Będzin is part of Chrzanów, not Siewierz.

 

[PaTrolis]

Why do seemingly all countries have dynasty names in their own language but for Lithuania it's Gediminids and not Gediminaičiai?

 

[Mingmung]

But Będzin is part of Chrzanów, not Siewierz.

It still seems room had to be made around there.

 

[Pollllo]

But Będzin is part of Chrzanów, not Siewierz.

By a few pixels, you're right!

 

[Teutonic_Knight_2000]

What is the slightly gray culture in Silesia and western Greater Poland?

 

[Teutonic_Knight_2000]

Does it mean we won't get West Slavic as a culture group?

It is possible that there will be Lechitic and Bohemian cultural groups.

 

[Miś Wojtek]

@Pavía Hey great post. I can definitely see a lot of feedback provided in the original TM. I do realize a lot of changes in central Poland, and I can't but wonder why did you erased some of the Eastern German historical borders when, in the former map, it was perfectly possible to replicate them, except for the location of Opava.

Original map:
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New map:
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My main concern are the locations of the eastern border of Posen and southern border of Western Prussia. You could replicate those borders in the former map, now it's not possible.

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Now. I understand that a lot of Poles get angrily triggered when they see the slightliest mention of German former territories east of the Oder (everytime I highlighted the subject I was bombarded with the 'disagree' reaction by Polish users; I understand it, it's perfectly fine) but locations' shape is immutable during playtime and it's important to achieve the maximum flexibility that this unprecedented granularity can offer, so everyone's happy; and I do know that many Poles wont ever never want to replicate the Eastern German empire's borders, but a LOT of other people will want to do so, and it would be extremely frustrating if the location shapes do not allow it.

It's better to abilitate the shapes for those who desire certain historical borders, than having random shaped blobs in the middle of Poland, it isn't detrimental to the Poland players and it benefits everyone else, I do not see any drawbacks for having there the borders avaliable for those who want them.

For example, the location of Olivença; some Portuguese players will keep it, some Spanish players will conquer it, the rest wont give a fuck. This is the ideal scenario, because it gives to everyone the liberty to shape the map in the way they want.

It's a game, it's intended to everyone's enjoyment, and each person will have their personal preferences in each gameplay, that hopefully will be able to replicate in the game. Having the locations shaped in a way that it's possible to recreate some historical borders there in the game map doesn't mean that tomorrow it will be that way in real life.

Nazi bro go play Victoria if you want to play as the younger than the usa country Germany.

 

[Miś Wojtek]

Eh, I understand wanting to split cultures but TBH back then there was barely any difference between Czech and Polish, having Greater and Lesser Polish and Masovian and Silesian split is just weird.

(I understand that Silesians are a separate nationality NOW, but that's something that should develop during the game, not already be the case)

Silesians aren't a separate nationality now (only germans are pushing for that), and back then they definitely weren't since German wasn't that present there yet.

 

[Korsjan Rīkis]

You're missing South Estonian as a culture
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North Estonian is closer to Finnish than to South Estonian
This Is how I'd set them up. South Estonian can also be called Tarbatu (the oldest attested name for Tarto, name of a South Estonian dialect used to make a written language), Võro (although this excludes Tarto, Mulgi and Seto) or Tarto. North Estonian could stay as Estonian.
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I would also rename North Livonia to Sakala, based on the ancient tribe and county of the same name.
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Did South Estonian historically extend to the Gulf of Riga?

 

[Teutonic_Knight_2000]

Couldn't it be Askhenazi Jewish? In the log it was said they added minorities.

I think they are German Silesians. But I prefer to make sure.

 

[ErnestvonLauenb]

It still seems room had to be made around there.

No, why? Siewierz is separate duchy. If Bèdzin was to be made separate location, it should carved from westernmost part of Chrzanòw solely. Chrzanòw-Siewierz border should not be infringed.

 

[Pollllo]

I think they are German Silesians. But I prefer to make sure.

Probably they didn't rely on a different German culture, so went with that.

 

[Teutonic_Knight_2000]

It still seems room had to be made around there.

Both Siewierz and Będzin are necessary for the presentation of the Eagle's Nest Scarf - the network of fortifications built by Casimir the Great along the border with Silesia.

 

[Mingmung]

Both Siewierz and Będzin are necessary for the presentation of the Eagle's Nest Scarf - the network of fortifications built by Casimir the Great along the border with Silesia.

Is there really space, though?

 

[Pollllo]

Is there really space, though?

Poland can into space. Or just rename Chrzanów if Będzin is that important.

 

[Tissaia]

What is the slightly gray culture in Silesia and western Greater Poland?

Going by the colour - Danube Bavarian.

Correction: either Saxon or just Silesian German, if they kept that name.

 

[Pollllo]

Going by the colour - Danube Bavarian.

You can tell that with your own eye? You might as well check the color codes and see which ones match.

 

[Tissaia]

No, why? Siewierz is separate duchy. If Bèdzin was to be made separate location, it should carved from westernmost part of Chrzanòw solely. Chrzanòw-Siewierz border should not be infringed.

Both Siewierz and Będzin are necessary for the presentation of the Eagle's Nest Scarf - the network of fortifications built by Casimir the Great along the border with Silesia.

Poland can into space. Or just rename Chrzanów if Będzin is that important.

Chrzanów should be renamed to Olkusz anyway.