Going off of wikipedia.
Shalakusha, 1631
Шалакуша — Википедия
Илеза (посёлок) — Википедия
Шенкурск — Википедия
Нёнокса — Википедия
Луда (Архангельская область) — Википедия
Верхняя Золотица — Википедия
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Shalakusha, 1631
Thanks, I really want the Finnic cultures to be done justice for once, they never get represented in any PDX game (except Ck3). Though you did use the older version of my map, which is less accurate than the later one. Though both are wildly immaculate when it comes to the Bjarmians. Also, I didn't include the Merya in my map because I couldn't find concrete sources on whether they still existed in 1337. Most sources only mention the 13th and 15th centuries, while most that do mention the 14th centurycontradict eachother.
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I do not see why a single village proves this big piece of land must be habitable. You can make everything habitable in that way. However, if You look at the map I have attached you can see that only a few villages can be found at the lands I circled. Maybe my borders are not highly correct as I have tried putting the map over the Tinto map. however, all the villages you mentioned are on the main rivers and not stranded in the nowhere. I have tried leaving the habitable rivers intact.Going off of wikipedia.
Shalakusha, 1631
Ileza, 17th centuryШалакуша — Википедия
ru.wikipedia.org
Shenkursk or Shenga-Kurya, 1315Илеза (посёлок) — Википедия
Nyonoksa, 1397Шенкурск — Википедия
Luda, 14th centuryНёнокса — Википедия
Verkhnaya Zolotitsa is a bit dubious, Wikipedia says it's a Pomor village.Луда (Архангельская область) — Википедия
Верхняя Золотица — Википедия
Perhaps the villages prove that it is possible to settle the territory. As with Hokkaido, where most of the land was uninhabited at the time of the game, everything became settled in the 19th century.
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Why shouldn't locations such as Nyonoksa or Shenga-Kurya be in the game if they existed during or close to game start? And Onega peninsula is clearly settled on your map, and there are settlement in other areas you have circled as wastelands.
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If we're talking about principalities (a relatively mid-level construct), then it may have a complex name. Galich "Mersky" differentiates it from other Galich, like Halych in Galicia.
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I think the key here is most of the land. The map I provided is the map of the 19th century and you can see how little even then was settled. Only coasts of sea, lakes and major rivers were settled. I think it is better if locations resemble that at least, and won't encompass all the lands
There were almost no settlements not on the river, for example between Onega and Northern Dvina(where Arkhangelsk is)
Wastelands don’t just represent land that is sparsely inhabited, it also represents land that is impassable to armies. Though knowing the terrain/climate, these lands are probably thick forests and swamps, so additional wastelands could make sense. However, I’m still not sure how granular and detailed they want wastelands to be, as they haven’t been entirely consistent.
My proposal for VepsHello, and welcome to another Tinto Maps feedback review! This week, we will be taking a look at Russia, a very anticipated review (which Johan already advanced in some maps last week).
A note before we start on the area that we've covered in this update. We've focused it on the core Russian lands, plus the Kola Peninsula. This means we've not yet updated the lands of Vyatka and Perm, nor those ruled by the Golden Horde. These will be covered in the future Tinto Maps feedback post, probably the one for the Steppes and Western Siberia. With that said, let's take a look at the list of changes, and then start with maps!
ADDITIONS
Added the following:
CORRECTIONS
- Locations (153+ 55 Lakes + 6 Wastelands)
- Andomsky Pogost
- Ashevo
- Azeevo
- Badozhsky
- Beloe
- Berezhnyany
- Bernovo
- Bezhanitsy
- Bibirevo
- Bogorodskoye
- Bogorodskoye (Pereyaslavl)
- Bolshevo
- Bor Volgo
- Borisogleb
- Brody (Tver)
- Burga
- Chelmuzhi
- Chuzboy
- Demyanovo
- Drokov
- Dubok
- Dubrovna
- Fomin Gorodok
- Georgevskoye
- Glukhovichi to Perevitska
- Gorodechnya
- Goroditse
- Gruzino
- Ilovna
- Ivangorod
- Izboishchi
- Izdeshkovo
- Izori
- Karniki
- Katyn
- Khakhaly
- Khatun
- Khlepen
- Kholm
- Khotiml
- Khotmyzh
- Khotsy
- Kinerma
- Klepiki
- Knyazhichi
- Knyazhoye
- Koi
- Koloshma
- Koponovo
- Korenevo
- Kosozhichi
- Kozlov
- Ktsyn
- Kubenskoye
- Kulotino
- Kurba
- Kuretsk
- Kurmysh
- Kuzhbal
- Lezhnevo
- Luda
- Lyady
- Lyakhovichy
- Lyuban
- Lyubichi
- Lyubun
- Lyubno
- Maryovo
- Megra
- Megrino
- Meletovo
- Meshchersk
- Mezhutka
- Mikhailovka
- Mikshino
- Mikulino (Tver)
- Moshok
- Mushkov Pogost
- Nadvoitsy
- Nikolo Dor
- Nikol'skoye
- Nizhel'skoye
- Nuorttijärvi
- Obolensk
- Odintsovo
- Opalkova
- Orekhovna
- Ostrechiny
- Pashozero
- Petrovsk
- Podberezye
- Pogoreloye
- Pogostishche
- Poreevo
- Pribuzh
- (Krasnye) Prudy
- (Serebryanye) Prudy
- Pryazha
- Przemysl
- Pustosel
- Putyvl
- Radogosch
- Rakitnya
- Raznezhye
- Revny
- Rogachevo
- Ropsk
- Rozhalovo
- Rzhavets
- Rzheva Pustaya
- Sevsk
- Shal'skii
- Shatur
- Shchuchye
- Shenga-Kurya
- Shoptovo
- Shui
- Sol Velikaya
- Spasskoye
- Spasskoye (Lyskovo)
- Starodub-Votsky
- Sudai
- Suikujärvi
- Sumino
- Svinort
- Svir
- Talitsa
- Tervenichi
- Tesov
- Trufany
- Ust Kuloy
- Valday
- Veliky Porog
- Verba
- Vereya
- Vertyazin
- Verzhavsk
- Vetlitsy
- Vichuga
- Visokoye
- Vlasovo
- Vodlozero
- Vognema
- Volkona
- Volodimerets
- Voronizh
- Vorotynsk
- Vorotynsk (Novosil)
- Vshchizh
- Yeszk
- Yorga
- Zhulino
- Zolotkovo
- Lakes
- Lake Bol'shoye Rovkul'skoye
- Lake Chudzjavr
- Lake Dvin'ye
- Lake Engozero
- Lake Galichkoye
- Lake Gimoly
- Lake Golodnaya Guba
- Lake Goltsovoye
- Lake Imandra
- Lake Kamennoye
- Lake Kenozero
- Lake Kenozero (Near Ladoga)
- Lake Kolozero
- Lake Kolvitskoye
- Lake Konchozero
- Lake Kozhozero
- Lake Kovdozero
- Lake Kovzhskoye
- Lake Kukkureozero
- Lake Lednikovoye
- Lake Leksozero
- Lake Lindozero
- Lake Lizhmozero
- Lake Lokht'yarvi
- Lake Lovozero
- Lake Lyoksmozhero
- Lake Maslozero
- Lake Nero
- Lake Notozero
- Lake Nyuk
- Lake Otradnoye
- Lake Pal'vozero
- Lake Peschanka-To
- Lake Pleshcheyevo
- Lake Pyaozero
- Lake Seletsy
- Lake Seliger
- Lake Sergozero
- Lake Shotozero
- Lake Sredneye Kuyto
- Lake Sumozero
- Lake Suoyarvi
- Lake Syamozero
- Lake Tishkeozero
- Lake Topozero
- Lake Tulos
- Lake Tungudskoye
- Lake Umbozero
- Lake Verkhneye Kuyto
- Lake Volgo
- Lake Vyalozero
- Lake Vygozero
- Lake Yelmozero
- Lake Yenozero
- Lake Zhizhitskoye
- Wastelands
- Divided many Wastelands in more pieces.
- TAGs (15)
- Fomin-Berezuesk
- Galich-Mersky
- Gorodets
- Klin
- Kozelsk
- Novgorod-Seversky
- Pronsk
- Rylsk
- Starodub
- Suzdal
- Tarusa
- Uglich
- Vladimir
- Yuriev-Polsky
- Zubtsov
- Characters
- fmb_fyodor_konstantinovich_krasny
- glm_davyd_konstantinovich_rurik
- glm_fyodor_davydovich_rurik
- glm_ivan_fyodorovich_rurik
- kch_mstislav_mikhailovich_rurik
- kch_svyatoslav_mstislavich_rurik
- kch_panteleimon_mstislavich_rurik
- kch_vasily_panteleimonovich_rurik
- kch_andrei_mstislavich_rurik
- kzk_titus_mstislavich_rurik
- mos_sophia_yuriovna_rurik
- prk_alexander_mikhailovich_rurik
- prk_mikhail_yaroslavich_rurik
- prk_yaroslav_alexandrovich_rurik
- rya_konstantin_romanovich_rurik
- rya_yaroslav_romanovich_rurik
- tve_konstantin_mikhailovich_rurik
- trs_yuri_mikhailovich_rurik
- trs_konstantin_yurievich_rurik
- yrv_yaroslav_ivanovich_rurik
- Dynamic Names
- Added tons of Dynamic Names
Renamed the following:
Cultures
- Locations (only corrections. Additionally renamed all locations to standardized form):
- Aksentevo to Berezovets
- Alexandrov to Alexandrovskaya Sloboda
- Ardatovo to Sergach
- Beloye to Lipno (Lipnaya Gorka)
- Belinsky to Chembar
- Bezhetsk to Gorodetsk
- Bolshoy Dvor to Ozerevo
- Bolshoye Ignatovo to Altyshevo
- Cheltsa to Kobyl'e
- Cherepovets to Cherepoves
- Dalen Olina to Dalniye Zelenstsy
- Demyansk to Demon
- Dyatkovo to Foshnya
- Grad Mersky to Galich
- Hotoshino to Khotoshino
- Kaduy to Nikol'skoye
- Karhumagi to Karhumägi
- Kashkaransj to Kashkarantsy
- Kexholm to Korela
- Kharkiv to Donetsk
- Khoza to Zaostrovskoye
- Kildon to Kiltinä
- Koivisto to Beryozovskoye
- Kolgaczich to Unezhma
- Koporje to Kopor'ye
- Korop to Melnya
- Kovoda to Kovda
- Kovrov to Rozhdestveno
- Kurovskoye to Rogozh
- Lahdenpohja to Kurkijoki
- Laptevo to Lopasnya
- Lekanstroj to Akkala
- Liissila to Lisino
- Likhoslavl to Mednoye
- Limenda to Pyras
- Lindoserskij to Lindjärvi
- Lokot to Boldyzh
- Loymola to Loimola
- Luskoje to Staropolye
- Lyudinovo to Fominichi
- Mafelskoj to Maaselkä
- Makaryev to Unzha
- Malaya Shuika to Maloshuyka
- Maly Arkhangelsky to Tagin
- Markkova to Markobo
- Maselskiij to Maselga
- Mena to Snovsk
- Michurinsk to Kozlov
- Mökhö to Möhkö
- Molouskoj to Mootka
- Morshansk to Morsha
- Nev to Nebolchi
- Noginsk to Vokhna
- Nöteborg to Oreshek
- Nyen to Neva
- Okulovka to Lyubytino
- Onegaborg to Shuya
- Onega Peninsula to Nyonoksa
- Opoka to Zaplyusye
- Oryol to Zvenigorod
- Paaanajärvi to Paanajärvi
- Padanskij to Puatane
- Panoimskoj to Panoi
- Parfino to Nalyuchi
- Peszenskoj to Luujärvi
- Petrovskoye to Izberdey
- Petzinka to Pechenga
- Pialiska to Pyalitsa
- Pienika to Pieninka
- Plaskoye to Gogol
- Pochinok to Belik
- Podporozhye to Vinnitsy
- Podyuga to Charonda
- Porchov to Porkhov
- Poretskoye to Atrat
- Prokhorovka to Muzhech
- Riistina to Ristiina
- Rugosenskoj to Rukajärvi
- Sarai to Kazari
- Seletskij to Sellinkylä
- Sem Ostronoj to Semiostrov
- Semtsejerskij to Semčojärvi
- Serdobsk to Serdobinskaya
- Seredyna-Buda to Znobov
- Sergiyev Posad to Yanovo
- Shakhanovka to Krasavino
- Shenkursk to Vaga
- Shugozero to Spirkovo
- Sigovets to Vazhiny
- Sokol to Arkhangelskoye
- Soligalich to Sol' Galichskaya
- Soma to Saarijoki
- Sonoshinskoi to Sumsky Posad
- Spasskij to Vygozero
- Stanovoye to Ploskoye
- Starababa to Olenitsa
- Stupino to Koshira
- Suenokele to Suonikylä
- Svetenoes to Svyatoy Nos
- Taldom to Dubna
- Trelina to Tetrino
- Tsareva to Vekshenga
- Tunga to Tunkuo
- Tutayev to Romanov
- Tyrö to Martyshkino
- Uhtua to Uhtuo
- Ust-Shonosha to Tavrenga
- Ustyuzhna-Zheleznopolskaya to Ustyuzhna
- Vartsila to Värtsilä
- Vashky to Vashki
- Vaskina Polyana to Staraya Ryazan
- Vesyegonsk to Ves Yogonskaya
- Voigoma to Kriitina
- Volnushki to Luchani
- Volokolamsk to Volok
- Volovo to Terbuny
- Vyazniki to Yaropolch
- Warshiga to Varzuga
- Yagnitsa to Lukoves
- Yegoryevsk to Vysokoye
- Yershichi to Zaroy
- Zadonsk to Teshevka
- Zaozyorye to Ustye
- Zaraysk to Rostislavl-Ryazansky
- Zhizdra to Usty
- Zhizhitsa to Zhizhets
Raw Goods
- Reworked the spread of cultures in the region.
Terrain and Vegetation
- Changed several Raw Goods as suggested.
Locations
- Total Review.
- Redrew several Locations.
Countries
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In the first screenshot you can see the wider picture of the region, while in the second, we have the Russian Principalities more in detail. The main change here, besides the additions, is that most of them are now under the Tatar Yoke. Speaking of that, two more screenshots, the first with the IO itself, the second with the lands ruled by Ivan I 'Kalita', Prince of Muscovy:
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The second screenshot is taken playing as Novgorod, which has an elective system to pick its ruler, the current one being Ivan I 'Kalita'; you may see that Pskov and Orshek are subjects of Novgorod, while the other Principalities share with Novgorod a Personal Union under the aforementioned Prince of Muscovy.
Dynasties
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The map of Russia is much clear when you just take into account the ruling dynasties...
Societies of Pops
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A map mode that we hadn't revealed yet when we first presented Russia, as a few more below.
Locations
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Provinces
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Areas
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Terrain
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Russia is in general terms a cold, flat, and forested region. The climate has already been changed to the new standard (1901 distribution). Please let us know any further terrain suggestions for us!
Development
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Another new map, the development one. There's a big difference between the core lands, and the outer ones.
Harbors
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A few interesting harbors here.
Cultures
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Some tweaks here, as we now have Bjarmian, Polatskian, and Smolenskian spreading over the Russian map. It's WIP, so suggestions are welcome.
Languages
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This is our current proposal for Russia, following the feedback received, although take it as non-final. First, there are two Languages, Russian and Ruthenian, both belonging to the Slavic language family. Each of them is divided into two different 'Dialects' (remember, this is a gameplay term, as they're closer to real-life languages), Novgorodian and Russian for Russian, and Belarusian and Ukrainian for Ruthenian. The later terms are a bit modern for 1337, but we wanted to show here clearly what linguistical spheres we wanted to portray; we will gladly receive suggestions to potentially change these names for more flavorish ones if you think so. Finally, the third map is the Court Language, as you may notice because of having Latin over the Livonian and Prussian lands.
Religions
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Not many changes in the religious map mode. The main one is the portrayal of 'Finnish ancient religion' ('Suomalainen muinaisusko'), which we've called in-game 'Muinaisusko'; please let us know if you like this name, as well.
Raw Materials
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I suggest you to make an exercise, and find the differences with the original Tinto Maps...
Markets
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Not many differences, but I thought that a bigger picture wouldn't hurt, as taking a look at another endonym possible with our new flavor system, 'Moskva'.
And that's all for today! We'll be reading your feedback to our feedback review (feedback loop!), and replying to your questions, as usual. The next Tinto Maps will be this Friday, the 13th, about Central America. Aaand, we will be able to have one more Tinto Maps Feedback post before the Christmas break, the one devoted to Levant and Egypt, next Monday, the 16th! Cheers!
Lands around Olonets were Karelian even in the 19th century (veps not depicted on that map)
For the Veps people, here is the current distribution of them
I have extended this zone with locations like Pashozero
Here is a small article about Novgorod's colonisation around Lake Onega. It states that the major colonisation of Onega began in the XII-XIV century.
Here is an article about veps culture. It mentions for example the village of Pashozero being one of the previously veps populated villages
I couldn't find what veps majority place was Tinto thinking about in Beloozero
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Hello, and welcome to another Tinto Maps feedback review! This week, we will be taking a look at Russia, a very anticipated review (which Johan already advanced in some maps last week).
A note before we start on the area that we've covered in this update. We've focused it on the core Russian lands, plus the Kola Peninsula. This means we've not yet updated the lands of Vyatka and Perm, nor those ruled by the Golden Horde. These will be covered in the future Tinto Maps feedback post, probably the one for the Steppes and Western Siberia. With that said, let's take a look at the list of changes, and then start with maps!
ADDITIONS
Added the following:
CORRECTIONS
- Locations (153+ 55 Lakes + 6 Wastelands)
- Andomsky Pogost
- Ashevo
- Azeevo
- Badozhsky
- Beloe
- Berezhnyany
- Bernovo
- Bezhanitsy
- Bibirevo
- Bogorodskoye
- Bogorodskoye (Pereyaslavl)
- Bolshevo
- Bor Volgo
- Borisogleb
- Brody (Tver)
- Burga
- Chelmuzhi
- Chuzboy
- Demyanovo
- Drokov
- Dubok
- Dubrovna
- Fomin Gorodok
- Georgevskoye
- Glukhovichi to Perevitska
- Gorodechnya
- Goroditse
- Gruzino
- Ilovna
- Ivangorod
- Izboishchi
- Izdeshkovo
- Izori
- Karniki
- Katyn
- Khakhaly
- Khatun
- Khlepen
- Kholm
- Khotiml
- Khotmyzh
- Khotsy
- Kinerma
- Klepiki
- Knyazhichi
- Knyazhoye
- Koi
- Koloshma
- Koponovo
- Korenevo
- Kosozhichi
- Kozlov
- Ktsyn
- Kubenskoye
- Kulotino
- Kurba
- Kuretsk
- Kurmysh
- Kuzhbal
- Lezhnevo
- Luda
- Lyady
- Lyakhovichy
- Lyuban
- Lyubichi
- Lyubun
- Lyubno
- Maryovo
- Megra
- Megrino
- Meletovo
- Meshchersk
- Mezhutka
- Mikhailovka
- Mikshino
- Mikulino (Tver)
- Moshok
- Mushkov Pogost
- Nadvoitsy
- Nikolo Dor
- Nikol'skoye
- Nizhel'skoye
- Nuorttijärvi
- Obolensk
- Odintsovo
- Opalkova
- Orekhovna
- Ostrechiny
- Pashozero
- Petrovsk
- Podberezye
- Pogoreloye
- Pogostishche
- Poreevo
- Pribuzh
- (Krasnye) Prudy
- (Serebryanye) Prudy
- Pryazha
- Przemysl
- Pustosel
- Putyvl
- Radogosch
- Rakitnya
- Raznezhye
- Revny
- Rogachevo
- Ropsk
- Rozhalovo
- Rzhavets
- Rzheva Pustaya
- Sevsk
- Shal'skii
- Shatur
- Shchuchye
- Shenga-Kurya
- Shoptovo
- Shui
- Sol Velikaya
- Spasskoye
- Spasskoye (Lyskovo)
- Starodub-Votsky
- Sudai
- Suikujärvi
- Sumino
- Svinort
- Svir
- Talitsa
- Tervenichi
- Tesov
- Trufany
- Ust Kuloy
- Valday
- Veliky Porog
- Verba
- Vereya
- Vertyazin
- Verzhavsk
- Vetlitsy
- Vichuga
- Visokoye
- Vlasovo
- Vodlozero
- Vognema
- Volkona
- Volodimerets
- Voronizh
- Vorotynsk
- Vorotynsk (Novosil)
- Vshchizh
- Yeszk
- Yorga
- Zhulino
- Zolotkovo
- Lakes
- Lake Bol'shoye Rovkul'skoye
- Lake Chudzjavr
- Lake Dvin'ye
- Lake Engozero
- Lake Galichkoye
- Lake Gimoly
- Lake Golodnaya Guba
- Lake Goltsovoye
- Lake Imandra
- Lake Kamennoye
- Lake Kenozero
- Lake Kenozero (Near Ladoga)
- Lake Kolozero
- Lake Kolvitskoye
- Lake Konchozero
- Lake Kozhozero
- Lake Kovdozero
- Lake Kovzhskoye
- Lake Kukkureozero
- Lake Lednikovoye
- Lake Leksozero
- Lake Lindozero
- Lake Lizhmozero
- Lake Lokht'yarvi
- Lake Lovozero
- Lake Lyoksmozhero
- Lake Maslozero
- Lake Nero
- Lake Notozero
- Lake Nyuk
- Lake Otradnoye
- Lake Pal'vozero
- Lake Peschanka-To
- Lake Pleshcheyevo
- Lake Pyaozero
- Lake Seletsy
- Lake Seliger
- Lake Sergozero
- Lake Shotozero
- Lake Sredneye Kuyto
- Lake Sumozero
- Lake Suoyarvi
- Lake Syamozero
- Lake Tishkeozero
- Lake Topozero
- Lake Tulos
- Lake Tungudskoye
- Lake Umbozero
- Lake Verkhneye Kuyto
- Lake Volgo
- Lake Vyalozero
- Lake Vygozero
- Lake Yelmozero
- Lake Yenozero
- Lake Zhizhitskoye
- Wastelands
- Divided many Wastelands in more pieces.
- TAGs (15)
- Fomin-Berezuesk
- Galich-Mersky
- Gorodets
- Klin
- Kozelsk
- Novgorod-Seversky
- Pronsk
- Rylsk
- Starodub
- Suzdal
- Tarusa
- Uglich
- Vladimir
- Yuriev-Polsky
- Zubtsov
- Characters
- fmb_fyodor_konstantinovich_krasny
- glm_davyd_konstantinovich_rurik
- glm_fyodor_davydovich_rurik
- glm_ivan_fyodorovich_rurik
- kch_mstislav_mikhailovich_rurik
- kch_svyatoslav_mstislavich_rurik
- kch_panteleimon_mstislavich_rurik
- kch_vasily_panteleimonovich_rurik
- kch_andrei_mstislavich_rurik
- kzk_titus_mstislavich_rurik
- mos_sophia_yuriovna_rurik
- prk_alexander_mikhailovich_rurik
- prk_mikhail_yaroslavich_rurik
- prk_yaroslav_alexandrovich_rurik
- rya_konstantin_romanovich_rurik
- rya_yaroslav_romanovich_rurik
- tve_konstantin_mikhailovich_rurik
- trs_yuri_mikhailovich_rurik
- trs_konstantin_yurievich_rurik
- yrv_yaroslav_ivanovich_rurik
- Dynamic Names
- Added tons of Dynamic Names
Renamed the following:
Cultures
- Locations (only corrections. Additionally renamed all locations to standardized form):
- Aksentevo to Berezovets
- Alexandrov to Alexandrovskaya Sloboda
- Ardatovo to Sergach
- Beloye to Lipno (Lipnaya Gorka)
- Belinsky to Chembar
- Bezhetsk to Gorodetsk
- Bolshoy Dvor to Ozerevo
- Bolshoye Ignatovo to Altyshevo
- Cheltsa to Kobyl'e
- Cherepovets to Cherepoves
- Dalen Olina to Dalniye Zelenstsy
- Demyansk to Demon
- Dyatkovo to Foshnya
- Grad Mersky to Galich
- Hotoshino to Khotoshino
- Kaduy to Nikol'skoye
- Karhumagi to Karhumägi
- Kashkaransj to Kashkarantsy
- Kexholm to Korela
- Kharkiv to Donetsk
- Khoza to Zaostrovskoye
- Kildon to Kiltinä
- Koivisto to Beryozovskoye
- Kolgaczich to Unezhma
- Koporje to Kopor'ye
- Korop to Melnya
- Kovoda to Kovda
- Kovrov to Rozhdestveno
- Kurovskoye to Rogozh
- Lahdenpohja to Kurkijoki
- Laptevo to Lopasnya
- Lekanstroj to Akkala
- Liissila to Lisino
- Likhoslavl to Mednoye
- Limenda to Pyras
- Lindoserskij to Lindjärvi
- Lokot to Boldyzh
- Loymola to Loimola
- Luskoje to Staropolye
- Lyudinovo to Fominichi
- Mafelskoj to Maaselkä
- Makaryev to Unzha
- Malaya Shuika to Maloshuyka
- Maly Arkhangelsky to Tagin
- Markkova to Markobo
- Maselskiij to Maselga
- Mena to Snovsk
- Michurinsk to Kozlov
- Mökhö to Möhkö
- Molouskoj to Mootka
- Morshansk to Morsha
- Nev to Nebolchi
- Noginsk to Vokhna
- Nöteborg to Oreshek
- Nyen to Neva
- Okulovka to Lyubytino
- Onegaborg to Shuya
- Onega Peninsula to Nyonoksa
- Opoka to Zaplyusye
- Oryol to Zvenigorod
- Paaanajärvi to Paanajärvi
- Padanskij to Puatane
- Panoimskoj to Panoi
- Parfino to Nalyuchi
- Peszenskoj to Luujärvi
- Petrovskoye to Izberdey
- Petzinka to Pechenga
- Pialiska to Pyalitsa
- Pienika to Pieninka
- Plaskoye to Gogol
- Pochinok to Belik
- Podporozhye to Vinnitsy
- Podyuga to Charonda
- Porchov to Porkhov
- Poretskoye to Atrat
- Prokhorovka to Muzhech
- Riistina to Ristiina
- Rugosenskoj to Rukajärvi
- Sarai to Kazari
- Seletskij to Sellinkylä
- Sem Ostronoj to Semiostrov
- Semtsejerskij to Semčojärvi
- Serdobsk to Serdobinskaya
- Seredyna-Buda to Znobov
- Sergiyev Posad to Yanovo
- Shakhanovka to Krasavino
- Shenkursk to Vaga
- Shugozero to Spirkovo
- Sigovets to Vazhiny
- Sokol to Arkhangelskoye
- Soligalich to Sol' Galichskaya
- Soma to Saarijoki
- Sonoshinskoi to Sumsky Posad
- Spasskij to Vygozero
- Stanovoye to Ploskoye
- Starababa to Olenitsa
- Stupino to Koshira
- Suenokele to Suonikylä
- Svetenoes to Svyatoy Nos
- Taldom to Dubna
- Trelina to Tetrino
- Tsareva to Vekshenga
- Tunga to Tunkuo
- Tutayev to Romanov
- Tyrö to Martyshkino
- Uhtua to Uhtuo
- Ust-Shonosha to Tavrenga
- Ustyuzhna-Zheleznopolskaya to Ustyuzhna
- Vartsila to Värtsilä
- Vashky to Vashki
- Vaskina Polyana to Staraya Ryazan
- Vesyegonsk to Ves Yogonskaya
- Voigoma to Kriitina
- Volnushki to Luchani
- Volokolamsk to Volok
- Volovo to Terbuny
- Vyazniki to Yaropolch
- Warshiga to Varzuga
- Yagnitsa to Lukoves
- Yegoryevsk to Vysokoye
- Yershichi to Zaroy
- Zadonsk to Teshevka
- Zaozyorye to Ustye
- Zaraysk to Rostislavl-Ryazansky
- Zhizdra to Usty
- Zhizhitsa to Zhizhets
Raw Goods
- Reworked the spread of cultures in the region.
Terrain and Vegetation
- Changed several Raw Goods as suggested.
Locations
- Total Review.
- Redrew several Locations.
Countries
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In the first screenshot you can see the wider picture of the region, while in the second, we have the Russian Principalities more in detail. The main change here, besides the additions, is that most of them are now under the Tatar Yoke. Speaking of that, two more screenshots, the first with the IO itself, the second with the lands ruled by Ivan I 'Kalita', Prince of Muscovy:
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The second screenshot is taken playing as Novgorod, which has an elective system to pick its ruler, the current one being Ivan I 'Kalita'; you may see that Pskov and Orshek are subjects of Novgorod, while the other Principalities share with Novgorod a Personal Union under the aforementioned Prince of Muscovy.
Dynasties
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The map of Russia is much clear when you just take into account the ruling dynasties...
Societies of Pops
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A map mode that we hadn't revealed yet when we first presented Russia, as a few more below.
Locations
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Provinces
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Areas
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Terrain
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Russia is in general terms a cold, flat, and forested region. The climate has already been changed to the new standard (1901 distribution). Please let us know any further terrain suggestions for us!
Development
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Another new map, the development one. There's a big difference between the core lands, and the outer ones.
Harbors
View attachment 1228114
A few interesting harbors here.
Cultures
View attachment 1228115
Some tweaks here, as we now have Bjarmian, Polatskian, and Smolenskian spreading over the Russian map. It's WIP, so suggestions are welcome.
Languages
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This is our current proposal for Russia, following the feedback received, although take it as non-final. First, there are two Languages, Russian and Ruthenian, both belonging to the Slavic language family. Each of them is divided into two different 'Dialects' (remember, this is a gameplay term, as they're closer to real-life languages), Novgorodian and Russian for Russian, and Belarusian and Ukrainian for Ruthenian. The later terms are a bit modern for 1337, but we wanted to show here clearly what linguistical spheres we wanted to portray; we will gladly receive suggestions to potentially change these names for more flavorish ones if you think so. Finally, the third map is the Court Language, as you may notice because of having Latin over the Livonian and Prussian lands.
Religions
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Not many changes in the religious map mode. The main one is the portrayal of 'Finnish ancient religion' ('Suomalainen muinaisusko'), which we've called in-game 'Muinaisusko'; please let us know if you like this name, as well.
Raw Materials
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I suggest you to make an exercise, and find the differences with the original Tinto Maps...
Markets
View attachment 1228130
Not many differences, but I thought that a bigger picture wouldn't hurt, as taking a look at another endonym possible with our new flavor system, 'Moskva'.
And that's all for today! We'll be reading your feedback to our feedback review (feedback loop!), and replying to your questions, as usual. The next Tinto Maps will be this Friday, the 13th, about Central America. Aaand, we will be able to have one more Tinto Maps Feedback post before the Christmas break, the one devoted to Levant and Egypt, next Monday, the 16th! Cheers!
There probably should be a bit more Ingrian pops in Kotchino and Oreshek
Note that 19th century "Ingrians" were largely more recent protestant Finnish migrants afaik, so their geographical span might not really correlate with where actual Ingrians lived
if they are not inhabitated but passable maybe passages like the ones in the Sahara make sense?
Are we sure that they were even passable? All I saw was that Novgorodian people travelled only by boat. For example, to get to Onega city they went from Novgorod to Ladoga by Volkhov River then with the Svir River they got to Ongea Lake where they went south to the Beloozero to transport the boat to Onega River and they sailed upstream.
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A Proposal for Languages/Dialects of the russian Region:Hello, and welcome to another Tinto Maps feedback review! This week, we will be taking a look at Russia, a very anticipated review (which Johan already advanced in some maps last week).
A note before we start on the area
ADDITIONS
Added the following:
CORRECTIONS
- Locations (153+ 55 Lakes + 6 Wastelands)
- Andomsky Pogost
- Ashevo
- Azeevo
- Badozhsky
- Beloe
- Berezhnyany
- Bernovo
- Bezhanitsy
- Bibirevo
- Bogorodskoye
- Bogorodskoye (Pereyaslavl)
- Bolshevo
- Bor Volgo
- Borisogleb
- Brody (Tver)
- Burga
- Chelmuzhi
- Chuzboy
- Demyanovo
- Drokov
- Dubok
- Dubrovna
- Fomin Gorodok
- Georgevskoye
- Glukhovichi to Perevitska
- Gorodechnya
- Goroditse
- Gruzino
- Ilovna
- Ivangorod
- Izboishchi
- Izdeshkovo
- Izori
- Karniki
- Katyn
- Khakhaly
- Khatun
- Khlepen
- Kholm
- Khotiml
- Khotmyzh
- Khotsy
- Kinerma
- Klepiki
- Knyazhichi
- Knyazhoye
- Koi
- Koloshma
- Koponovo
- Korenevo
- Kosozhichi
- Kozlov
- Ktsyn
- Kubenskoye
- Kulotino
- Kurba
- Kuretsk
- Kurmysh
- Kuzhbal
- Lezhnevo
- Luda
- Lyady
- Lyakhovichy
- Lyuban
- Lyubichi
- Lyubun
- Lyubno
- Maryovo
- Megra
- Megrino
- Meletovo
- Meshchersk
- Mezhutka
- Mikhailovka
- Mikshino
- Mikulino (Tver)
- Moshok
- Mushkov Pogost
- Nadvoitsy
- Nikolo Dor
- Nikol'skoye
- Nizhel'skoye
- Nuorttijärvi
- Obolensk
- Odintsovo
- Opalkova
- Orekhovna
- Ostrechiny
- Pashozero
- Petrovsk
- Podberezye
- Pogoreloye
- Pogostishche
- Poreevo
- Pribuzh
- (Krasnye) Prudy
- (Serebryanye) Prudy
- Pryazha
- Przemysl
- Pustosel
- Putyvl
- Radogosch
- Rakitnya
- Raznezhye
- Revny
- Rogachevo
- Ropsk
- Rozhalovo
- Rzhavets
- Rzheva Pustaya
- Sevsk
- Shal'skii
- Shatur
- Shchuchye
- Shenga-Kurya
- Shoptovo
- Shui
- Sol Velikaya
- Spasskoye
- Spasskoye (Lyskovo)
- Starodub-Votsky
- Sudai
- Suikujärvi
- Sumino
- Svinort
- Svir
- Talitsa
- Tervenichi
- Tesov
- Trufany
- Ust Kuloy
- Valday
- Veliky Porog
- Verba
- Vereya
- Vertyazin
- Verzhavsk
- Vetlitsy
- Vichuga
- Visokoye
- Vlasovo
- Vodlozero
- Vognema
- Volkona
- Volodimerets
- Voronizh
- Vorotynsk
- Vorotynsk (Novosil)
- Vshchizh
- Yeszk
- Yorga
- Zhulino
- Zolotkovo
- Lakes
- Lake Bol'shoye Rovkul'skoye
- Lake Chudzjavr
- Lake Dvin'ye
- Lake Engozero
- Lake Galichkoye
- Lake Gimoly
- Lake Golodnaya Guba
- Lake Goltsovoye
- Lake Imandra
- Lake Kamennoye
- Lake Kenozero
- Lake Kenozero (Near Ladoga)
- Lake Kolozero
- Lake Kolvitskoye
- Lake Konchozero
- Lake Kozhozero
- Lake Kovdozero
- Lake Kovzhskoye
- Lake Kukkureozero
- Lake Lednikovoye
- Lake Leksozero
- Lake Lindozero
- Lake Lizhmozero
- Lake Lokht'yarvi
- Lake Lovozero
- Lake Lyoksmozhero
- Lake Maslozero
- Lake Nero
- Lake Notozero
- Lake Nyuk
- Lake Otradnoye
- Lake Pal'vozero
- Lake Peschanka-To
- Lake Pleshcheyevo
- Lake Pyaozero
- Lake Seletsy
- Lake Seliger
- Lake Sergozero
- Lake Shotozero
- Lake Sredneye Kuyto
- Lake Sumozero
- Lake Suoyarvi
- Lake Syamozero
- Lake Tishkeozero
- Lake Topozero
- Lake Tulos
- Lake Tungudskoye
- Lake Umbozero
- Lake Verkhneye Kuyto
- Lake Volgo
- Lake Vyalozero
- Lake Vygozero
- Lake Yelmozero
- Lake Yenozero
- Lake Zhizhitskoye
- Wastelands
- Divided many Wastelands in more pieces.
- TAGs (15)
- Fomin-Berezuesk
- Galich-Mersky
- Gorodets
- Klin
- Kozelsk
- Novgorod-Seversky
- Pronsk
- Rylsk
- Starodub
- Suzdal
- Tarusa
- Uglich
- Vladimir
- Yuriev-Polsky
- Zubtsov
- Characters
- fmb_fyodor_konstantinovich_krasny
- glm_davyd_konstantinovich_rurik
- glm_fyodor_davydovich_rurik
- glm_ivan_fyodorovich_rurik
- kch_mstislav_mikhailovich_rurik
- kch_svyatoslav_mstislavich_rurik
- kch_panteleimon_mstislavich_rurik
- kch_vasily_panteleimonovich_rurik
- kch_andrei_mstislavich_rurik
- kzk_titus_mstislavich_rurik
- mos_sophia_yuriovna_rurik
- prk_alexander_mikhailovich_rurik
- prk_mikhail_yaroslavich_rurik
- prk_yaroslav_alexandrovich_rurik
- rya_konstantin_romanovich_rurik
- rya_yaroslav_romanovich_rurik
- tve_konstantin_mikhailovich_rurik
- trs_yuri_mikhailovich_rurik
- trs_konstantin_yurievich_rurik
- yrv_yaroslav_ivanovich_rurik
- Dynamic Names
- Added tons of Dynamic Names
Renamed the following:
Cultures
- Locations (only corrections. Additionally renamed all locations to standardized form):
- Aksentevo to Berezovets
- Alexandrov to Alexandrovskaya Sloboda
- Ardatovo to Sergach
- Beloye to Lipno (Lipnaya Gorka)
- Belinsky to Chembar
- Bezhetsk to Gorodetsk
- Bolshoy Dvor to Ozerevo
- Bolshoye Ignatovo to Altyshevo
- Cheltsa to Kobyl'e
- Cherepovets to Cherepoves
- Dalen Olina to Dalniye Zelenstsy
- Demyansk to Demon
- Dyatkovo to Foshnya
- Grad Mersky to Galich
- Hotoshino to Khotoshino
- Kaduy to Nikol'skoye
- Karhumagi to Karhumägi
- Kashkaransj to Kashkarantsy
- Kexholm to Korela
- Kharkiv to Donetsk
- Khoza to Zaostrovskoye
- Kildon to Kiltinä
- Koivisto to Beryozovskoye
- Kolgaczich to Unezhma
- Koporje to Kopor'ye
- Korop to Melnya
- Kovoda to Kovda
- Kovrov to Rozhdestveno
- Kurovskoye to Rogozh
- Lahdenpohja to Kurkijoki
- Laptevo to Lopasnya
- Lekanstroj to Akkala
- Liissila to Lisino
- Likhoslavl to Mednoye
- Limenda to Pyras
- Lindoserskij to Lindjärvi
- Lokot to Boldyzh
- Loymola to Loimola
- Luskoje to Staropolye
- Lyudinovo to Fominichi
- Mafelskoj to Maaselkä
- Makaryev to Unzha
- Malaya Shuika to Maloshuyka
- Maly Arkhangelsky to Tagin
- Markkova to Markobo
- Maselskiij to Maselga
- Mena to Snovsk
- Michurinsk to Kozlov
- Mökhö to Möhkö
- Molouskoj to Mootka
- Morshansk to Morsha
- Nev to Nebolchi
- Noginsk to Vokhna
- Nöteborg to Oreshek
- Nyen to Neva
- Okulovka to Lyubytino
- Onegaborg to Shuya
- Onega Peninsula to Nyonoksa
- Opoka to Zaplyusye
- Oryol to Zvenigorod
- Paaanajärvi to Paanajärvi
- Padanskij to Puatane
- Panoimskoj to Panoi
- Parfino to Nalyuchi
- Peszenskoj to Luujärvi
- Petrovskoye to Izberdey
- Petzinka to Pechenga
- Pialiska to Pyalitsa
- Pienika to Pieninka
- Plaskoye to Gogol
- Pochinok to Belik
- Podporozhye to Vinnitsy
- Podyuga to Charonda
- Porchov to Porkhov
- Poretskoye to Atrat
- Prokhorovka to Muzhech
- Riistina to Ristiina
- Rugosenskoj to Rukajärvi
- Sarai to Kazari
- Seletskij to Sellinkylä
- Sem Ostronoj to Semiostrov
- Semtsejerskij to Semčojärvi
- Serdobsk to Serdobinskaya
- Seredyna-Buda to Znobov
- Sergiyev Posad to Yanovo
- Shakhanovka to Krasavino
- Shenkursk to Vaga
- Shugozero to Spirkovo
- Sigovets to Vazhiny
- Sokol to Arkhangelskoye
- Soligalich to Sol' Galichskaya
- Soma to Saarijoki
- Sonoshinskoi to Sumsky Posad
- Spasskij to Vygozero
- Stanovoye to Ploskoye
- Starababa to Olenitsa
- Stupino to Koshira
- Suenokele to Suonikylä
- Svetenoes to Svyatoy Nos
- Taldom to Dubna
- Trelina to Tetrino
- Tsareva to Vekshenga
- Tunga to Tunkuo
- Tutayev to Romanov
- Tyrö to Martyshkino
- Uhtua to Uhtuo
- Ust-Shonosha to Tavrenga
- Ustyuzhna-Zheleznopolskaya to Ustyuzhna
- Vartsila to Värtsilä
- Vashky to Vashki
- Vaskina Polyana to Staraya Ryazan
- Vesyegonsk to Ves Yogonskaya
- Voigoma to Kriitina
- Volnushki to Luchani
- Volokolamsk to Volok
- Volovo to Terbuny
- Vyazniki to Yaropolch
- Warshiga to Varzuga
- Yagnitsa to Lukoves
- Yegoryevsk to Vysokoye
- Yershichi to Zaroy
- Zadonsk to Teshevka
- Zaozyorye to Ustye
- Zaraysk to Rostislavl-Ryazansky
- Zhizdra to Usty
- Zhizhitsa to Zhizhets
Raw Goods
- Reworked the spread of cultures in the region.
Terrain and Vegetation
- Changed several Raw Goods as suggested.
Locations
- Total Review.
- Redrew several Locations.
Countries
View attachment 1228092
View attachment 1228093
In the first screenshot you can see the wider picture of the region, while in the second, we have the Russian Principalities more in detail. The main change here, besides the additions, is that most of them are now under the Tatar Yoke. Speaking of that, two more screenshots, the first with the IO itself, the second with the lands ruled by Ivan I 'Kalita', Prince of Muscovy:
View attachment 1228097
View attachment 1228098
The second screenshot is taken playing as Novgorod, which has an elective system to pick its ruler, the current one being Ivan I 'Kalita'; you may see that Pskov and Orshek are subjects of Novgorod, while the other Principalities share with Novgorod a Personal Union under the aforementioned Prince of Muscovy.
Dynasties
View attachment 1228100
The map of Russia is much clear when you just take into account the ruling dynasties...
Societies of Pops
View attachment 1228101
A map mode that we hadn't revealed yet when we first presented Russia, as a few more below.
Locations
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Provinces
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Areas
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Terrain
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Russia is in general terms a cold, flat, and forested region. The climate has already been changed to the new standard (1901 distribution). Please let us know any further terrain suggestions for us!
Development
View attachment 1228111
View attachment 1228113
Another new map, the development one. There's a big difference between the core lands, and the outer ones.
Harbors
View attachment 1228114
A few interesting harbors here.
Cultures
View attachment 1228115
Some tweaks here, as we now have Bjarmian, Polatskian, and Smolenskian spreading over the Russian map. It's WIP, so suggestions are welcome.
Languages
View attachment 1228116
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View attachment 1228118
This is our current proposal for Russia, following the feedback received, although take it as non-final. First, there are two Languages, Russian and Ruthenian, both belonging to the Slavic language family. Each of them is divided into two different 'Dialects' (remember, this is a gameplay term, as they're closer to real-life languages), Novgorodian and Russian for Russian, and Belarusian and Ukrainian for Ruthenian. The later terms are a bit modern for 1337, but we wanted to show here clearly what linguistical spheres we wanted to portray; we will gladly receive suggestions to potentially change these names for more flavorish ones if you think so. Finally, the third map is the Court Language, as you may notice because of having Latin over the Livonian and Prussian lands.
Religions
View attachment 1228124
Not many changes in the religious map mode. The main one is the portrayal of 'Finnish ancient religion' ('Suomalainen muinaisusko'), which we've called in-game 'Muinaisusko'; please let us know if you like this name, as well.
Raw Materials
View attachment 1228128
View attachment 1228129
I suggest you to make an exercise, and find the differences with the original Tinto Maps...
Markets
View attachment 1228130
Not many differences, but I thought that a bigger picture wouldn't hurt, as taking a look at another endonym possible with our new flavor system, 'Moskva'.
And that's all for today! We'll be reading your feedback to our feedback review (feedback loop!), and replying to your questions, as usual. The next Tinto Maps will be this Friday, the 13th, about Central America. Aaand, we will be able to have one more Tinto Maps Feedback post before the Christmas break, the one devoted to Levant and Egypt, next Monday, the 16th! Cheers!
Green Line: written Ruthenian
Yellow Line: written Russian/Muscovite
Blue Line: written Novgorodian
The coloured Regions show the actual spoken Dialects inside the dialect Continuum that still existed in that time period.
I like the Basis of Language as Ruthenian and Russian as they are based on the literary Standard that later made clear Distinctions between the Langauges but would suggest that Dialects could be changed to the historical Dialects/Languages of the actual time Period as shown in this Map.
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Actually I think I found a good name for Obonezhkaya: Mezhozerye (межозерье), meaning "between lakes". I found the term when reading about Vepsians.
From the Russian Wikipedia page for Vepsians (Google translated).
Google translated Wikipedia page for Межозерье.
So from the description the term seems to roughly refer to an area like this, perhaps including the whole area between Ladoga and Onega too. This also matches the territory of the Vepsians pretty well, with which Mezhozerye is closely associated.
Arctic Megapedia gives a description like this, including towns from a slightly larger area (Google translated again) (source):
From what I can tell, this name would work well for the current Obonezhkaya province. Here's my revised Karelia province rework idea with Mezhozerye:
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Shouldn't Ladoga be part of Lopskaya instead of Volkhovskaya? The historical province borders are almost perfect apart from this part.
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On the same map Obonezhskaya(Obonezhye) is placed at the different beach of Onega see. Right where Tinto put it.
In contrary to the 'languages', 'dialects' have a different purpose in the game, they do not represent historical setup for 1337, whey do not have mechanics, they do not affect relationships, diplomacy, satisfaction etc. 'Dialects' are used for proper locations' and characters' naming relevant to modern languages. To distinguish Chornobyl – Charnobyl – Chernobyl or Dmytro – Dmitriy – Zmicer.
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I had a go at the provided list to standardize location names a bit more.
The base case is Копорье = Kopor'ye
1) iotized vowels are to contain Y
2) the separator Ь is included as ' sign
2a) final Ь is excluded (e.g. Ryazan, Yaroslavl)
3) ИЙ is treated as singluar Y
ADDITIONS
Added the following:
Renamed the following:
Added the following:
- Locations
- Azeevo to Azeyevo
- Beloe to Beloye
- Demyanovo to Dem'yanovo
- Podberezye to Podberez'ye
- Poreevo to Poreyevo
- Raznezhye to Raznezh'ye
- Rogachevo to Rogachyovo
- Shal'skii to Shal'sky
- Shchuchye to Shchuch'ye
- Visokoye to Vysokoye
- Yeszk - ???
- Lakes
- Lake Galichkoye to Lake Galichskoye (modern spelling)
- Lake Lyoksmozhero to Lake Lyokshmozero (modern spelling)
Renamed the following:
- Locations
- Cheltsa to Kobyl'e to Kobyl'ye
- Luskoje to Staropolye to Staropol'ye
- Opoka to Zaplyusye to Zaplyus'ye
- Sokol to Arkhangelskoye to Arkhangel'skoye
- Soligalich to Sol' Galichskaya to Sol Galichskaya
- Zaozyorye to Ustye to Ust'ye
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