Tinto Maps #12 Germany Feedback

[Viva.St.Pauli]

@Pavía can you add the map without the overlord name over subjects? also whats the next feedback?

I'd like to know too for the Hansa-Tags, just to see if Hamburg is actually red now or still has that weird orange color when on it's own.

Edit: Nevermind, I've seen the map further down the thread now, my bad! Looks good to me, though I'm still confused about why Hamburg still looks like they have low port potential on that other map.

 

[Mambaking]

I keep repeating myself. But why have french names for locations in alsace and lorraine in 1337? The french and their names only arrived there a few hundred years later and only truly gained local relevance in the last century. Its just wierd. Its a bit like already having Tenochtitlan already be called Mexico city in 1337. In 1337 That region was still as german as any other. (As seen here in your very own culture and language maps)

Consider renaming:
Mulhouse -> Mülhausen
Ferette -> Pfirt
Colmar -> Kolmar
Strasbourg -> Strassburg
Sarrebourg -> Saarburg
Vic-Sur-Seille -> Wich
Bitche -> Bitsch
Sarreguiermes -> Saargmünden
Sanit Avold-> Sankt Avold

 

[matfer13]

I keep repeating myself. But why have french names for Locations in alsace and lorraine in 1337? The french and their names only arrived there a few hundred years later and only truly gained local relevance in the last century. Its just wierd. Its a bit ike already haveing Tenochtitlan already be called Mexico city in 1337. In 1337 That region was still as german as any other. (as seen here in your very own culture and language maps)

Consider renaming:
Mulhouse -> Mülhausen
Ferette -> Pfirt
Colmar -> Kolmar
Strasbourg -> Strassburg
Sarrebourg -> Saarburg
Vic-Sur-Seille -> Wich
Bitche -> Bitsch
Sarreguiermes -> Saargmünden
Sanit Avold-> Sankt Avold

Are you referring to the location or tag mames? If it's the latter then they are using French names because Alsace nowdays is in France and the standard english names are in French, if it's the former than it's probably because they still need to finish the localization
Dunno why you need to repeat yourslef though...

 

[Mambaking]

Are you referring to the location or tag mames? If it's the latter then they are using French names because Alsace nowdays is in France and the standard english names are in French, if it's the former than it's probably because they still need to finish the localization
Dunno why you need to repeat yourslef though...

Im refering to location names. But you are right the tag names have similar problems. Standard english names arent a thing for alsatian villages. This naming convention is only used for big relevant places like Cologne instea of Köln (which is perfectly reasonable). With that logic maybe Strasbourg could stay that way. But the rest? Its not like any english speaker wold go: Wait whats Saargmünden? oh you meant Sarreguiermes??

 

[matfer13]

Im refering to location names. But you are right the tag names have similar problems. Standard english names arent a thing for alsatian villages. This naming convention is only used for big relevant places like Cologne instea of Köln (which is perfectly reasonable). With that logic maybe Strasbourg could stay that way. But the rest? Its not like any english speaker wold go: Wait whats Saargmünden? oh you meant Sarreguiermes??

Maybe you are right, but if that's their policy on naming then they should stick to it everywhere without any exeptions, if they start making an exeption for Alsace then they would have to do it everywhere else an not everyone would be ok with it, fortunately(or unfortunately depending on who you ask) this is how history turned out and Alsace is French so this game in english uses french names

 

[matfer13]

There's a mistake between Salzburg and Bavaria

The location of Berchtesgaden should be in the area of Bavaria not in Salzburg as it was never ruled by the prince-bishop of the city nor the Austrian rulers(beside a few years during the Napoleonic wars) and to this day is part of Germany

Considering this I suppose that the location of Salzburg should be split in to with its northern half being Seekirchen am Wallersee(or just Seekirchen), which according to wikipedia is the oldest Austrian settlement that is still inhabited to this day and capital of an administrative district

 

[matfer13]

@Pavía you "mispelled" Tyrol
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The english name uses a y not an i, that's the German name, considering it's a region that is split between Italy and Austria I think it's more appropriate to use the english name for both tag and area

I forgot to mention that you should also rename the province of Süd Tirol to South Tyrol since that's also the official english name

 

[Inzano]

There's a mistake between Salzburg and Bavaria
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The location of Berchtesgaden should be in the area of Bavaria not in Salzburg as it was never ruled by the prince-bishop of the city nor the Austrian rulers(beside a few years during the Napoleonic wars) and to this day is part of Germany
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Considering this I suppose that the location of Salzburg should be split in to with its northern half being Seekirchen am Wallersee(or just Seekirchen), which according to wikipedia is the oldest Austrian settlement that is still inhabited to this day and capital of an administrative district

I think this border is intentionally defined this way, more as a closed geographical entity than a political border.

 

[matfer13]

I think this border is intentionally defined this way, more as a closed geographical entity than a political border.

Weird considering the other Austrian areas are precisely shaped like their historical divisions and I get the reason behind putting Lienz in Carinthia but in the case for Salzburg it just seems an unintentional mistake to me
Also geography doesn't have anything to do here, as the valley is as easily accesible from the Bavarian side as from the Salisburger side

 

[Coolerfratz]

I keep repeating myself. But why have french names for Locations in alsace and lorraine in 1337? The french and their names only arrived there a few hundred years later and only truly gained local relevance in the last century. Its just wierd. Its a bit like already having Tenochtitlan already be called Mexico city in 1337. In 1337 That region was still as german as any other. (As seen here in your very own culture and language maps)

Consider renaming:
Mulhouse -> Mülhausen
Ferette -> Pfirt
Colmar -> Kolmar
Strasbourg -> Strassburg
Sarrebourg -> Saarburg
Vic-Sur-Seille -> Wich
Bitche -> Bitsch
Sarreguiermes -> Saargmünden
Sanit Avold-> Sankt Avold

Then it should be Straßburg

 

[Pavel.czv]

I just noticed Slazburg is an Area another reason why Lusatia should be an Area instead of being split between Brandenburg and Upper Saxony.

 

[MagicKnite]

THE MISSING CITY OF LWÓWEK ŚLĄSKI

Regarding province Bolesławjec in the south-west Silesia: Bolesławiec was a small, insignificant town at that time, 18 km south there was way more important city of Lwówek (nowadays Lwówek Śląski):

-Magdeburg city rights in 1217, there was created a mix of Magdeburg and Flanders city rights called in iure lembergensi (Lwówek's Law) that at least 12 future cities of lower and upper Silesia, Bohemia and Hungary were granted these city rights law

-with around 11k inhabitants at that time (3rd biggest city of Silesia at that time after Wrocław and Świdnica)

-city has double city walls that repelled Hussites preventing successful siege and pillage (this happened to Bolesławiec and other nearby towns)

-has bigger (and medieval) city hall than Wrocław and it still exists. Its interiors with ribbed vault are refered to as a smaller version of Prague castle

-was an independent Silesian duchy in the late XIII century

-that had own mint, coin and city weighing building (read: rich)

-5th biggest market square of Silesia in the city center

-The city was located on Via Regia - an important trade road from east to west Europe

-in 1243 it was the location of the first knightly (jousting) tournament on Polish lands by polish king Bolesław Rogatka!

-has the oldest brewery in Poland that is also the oldest still functioning company in Poland since 1209

-the city had strong ties with Kraków (Some known people migrated between both cities, trade exchange)

-during renaissance the city was heavily rebuilt under the supervision of Italian architect Archonatti who gave the city Mediterranean look

-HRE emperor Albert II visited this city in 1438, emperor Rudolph II in 1577 (which wasn't the case for any other nearby cities till Napoleon's times, so it says a bit about prestige and status of the city at that time)

-Many kings, princes and leaders visited the city of Lwówek as well, like Matthias Corvin, Charles XII Wittelsbach, Friedrich the Great, John Quincy Adams, Friedrich Wilhelm III of Prussia, Alexander I Romanov, Władysław III Spindleshanks

-till 1444 there was a princely castle that the dukes of Jawor (Jauer) resided (mutually with Jauer's castle)

-This town was also a territory of Silesian medieval gold rush that was about to end for the city in mid XIV century to later become a clothier's guild den with more than 450 simultaneously operating clothier's workshops in the city.

-the city used to be named a sister city of Görlitz because of the same size of both cities till thirty years war and the style of architecture, later Lwówek was referred as Silesian Roetheburg

-Maltese holy order has a renaissance palace in the city

-Płakowice castle (palace actually) is a renaissance residence often called Silesian Wawel Castle because of the columns and arches that are on the interior courtyard

-Lwówek was being called by the press at that time as Music Weimar of Silesia because of the great composers and musicians (Ferenz List[2][3], Hector Berlioz[2][3], Richard Wagner[2][3], Hans von Bülow[1][3], David Popper, Karol Tausig, Hans Bronsart, Louis Spohr) at that time performing and concerting in the Hohenzollern's palace in the city. The concerts attracted visitors from Wrocław to Dresden

Everything changed after thirty years war and the location fell in decline.

Renaming province Bolesławiec to Lwówek would be perfect as well as changing the trade good produced in the location (excellent sandstone was also produced here, even the Brandenburg Gate was partially built from it). Please take that in consideration if possible.

Don't ignore historically important places just because they were heavily damaged by thirty years war...

 

[MagicKnite]

And I can't even post a Wikipedia link or attach picture because I get message "oops we ran into some problems..."

 

[Inzano]

I noticed some topographic errors in Tyrol and Upper Austria.

 

[Aenar212]

What’s the grey culture in two locations at the top of Bohemia?

 

[Mef]

I noticed some topographic errors in Tyrol and Upper Austria.

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Your positions seem to be a bit off. I drew in the same cities that you did, using a map with the same projection as the game's map.
Wels is barely inside its location, but Landneck and Bludenz aren't.

 

[Inzano]

Your positions seem to be a bit off. I drew in the same cities that you did, using a map with the same projection as the game's map.
Wels is barely inside its location, but Landneck and Bludenz aren't.
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Wels was and is still now on the left side of the Traun River, and the border between the locations of Linz and Wels runs along the Traun River, which does not match topographically.

 

[Mef]

Wels was and is still now on the left side of the Traun River, and the border between the locations of Linz and Wels runs along the Traun River, which does not match topographically.

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Here's the river:

The location border does not follow it.

Edit: Or to be more exact, here is the Copernicus EU River Network map matched with the in-game locations:

 

[Inzano]

Here's the river:
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The location border does not follow it.

Edit: Or to be more exact, here is the Copernicus EU River Network map matched with the in-game locations:
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Why make such an illogical boundary? If you could draw a border along the river and change Wels to Enns. If you want to have Linz big enough as a location. You don't move 5 km parallel to the border with the river and say, here I got Wels to its location... I would understand if this were a historical border, but it wasn't.

 

[Lerrix04]

Just a small thing, but Altena should be hills as well, just like the rest of the Sauerland because it's still technically a mountain range, albeit a small one.