476 Scenario

[Earl Uhtred]

Mega, Lofman Might I suggest we rename the eastern Berbers 'Kutama' and the western ones 'Awraba'?

 

[Lofman]

Noticed an error in event 100110 for ERE. It reads:

[color=silver]event = { 

	id = 100110
	random = no
	country = HAB
	name = "Anastasius is Boring"
	desc = "'Reign Anastasius!' the people shouted when the Emperor first appeared before them in the imperial purple. 'Riegn as long as you have lived!' Anastasius did so; and if his subjects found life under his rule more irksome than they had expected, they had only themselves to blame. His chief defect was parsimoniusness - a failing which, combined with a strong puritanical streak, made Constantinople a duller place to live in than ever before. Contests with wild beasts were forbidden; citizens were no longer permitted to hold nocturnal feats, on the grounds that they led to unbridled licentiousness - which indeed they very often did. Meanwhile his campaign against unnecessary public expenditure was finally to leave the treasury richer by 320,000 pounds of gold."
	style = 1
	date = { day = 15 month = april year = 1491 }

	action_a = {
		name = "What a bore!"
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 312 }
		command = { type = treasury value = 100 }
		}

}[/color]

when it should be:

[color=silver]event = { 

	id = 100110
	random = no
	country = HAB
	name = "Anastasius is Boring"
	desc = "'Reign Anastasius!' the people shouted when the Emperor first appeared before them in the imperial purple. 'Riegn as long as you have lived!' Anastasius did so; and if his subjects found life under his rule more irksome than they had expected, they had only themselves to blame. His chief defect was parsimoniusness - a failing which, combined with a strong puritanical streak, made Constantinople a duller place to live in than ever before. Contests with wild beasts were forbidden; citizens were no longer permitted to hold nocturnal feats, on the grounds that they led to unbridled licentiousness - which indeed they very often did. Meanwhile his campaign against unnecessary public expenditure was finally to leave the treasury richer by 320,000 pounds of gold."
	style = 1
	date = { day = 15 month = april year = 1491 }

	action_a = {
		name = "What a bore!"
		[color=red]command = { type = revoltrisk which = 312 value = 1 }[/color]
		command = { type = treasury value = 100 }
		}

}[/Color]

since 312 RR for one month is a little wrong...

Will be corrected for the next update, but since that one will probably not come out very soon, I recommend that you all fixes it manually, unless you want a very certain government collapse for the ERE of course

 

[Lofman]

Originally posted by snuggs
Mega, Lofman Might I suggest we rename the eastern Berbers 'Kutama' and the western ones 'Awraba'?

Will do. Just wondering, is it reasonable to have the Idrisids rule Kutama? Or does Mauretania fit better? (They will be using that tag whatever it is called)

 

[Earl Uhtred]

Idrisids in 476? Really?

How did you finally decide to allocate the religons - is Celtic Christianity out or in?

I have some great events for Northumbria this period...

 

[Lofman]

The Idrisids is at the end and seems to have the same territory given to the western berbers, so I've decided to save a tag (that is why the last monarchs in monarchs.mor is Idrisids). And it seems I've misread your post, Awraba is western and Kutama is eastern. By some reason I've read it the other way around o

 

[Lofman]

Originally posted by snuggs
...
How did you finally decide to allocate the religons - is Celtic Christianity out or in?

I have some great events for Northumbria this period...

For the moment Celtic Christianity is out. May be in if I hear some really convincing arguments.

Good to hear. And how is it going with those remaining monarchs?

 

[Earl Uhtred]

Originally posted by Lofman
The Idrisids is at the end and seems to have the same territory given to the western berbers, so I've decided to save a tag (that is why the last monarchs in monarchs.mor is Idrisids). And it seems I've misread your post, Awraba is western and Kutama is eastern. By some reason I've read it the other way around o

I would say the Kutama should go nearer Mahdiya, ie Tunis. I'm still not quite clear on which branch should spawn the Idrisids. All I know is the Fatimids got power through the Kutama, and since I don't know what becomes of the Awraba after the C8 I suppose Kutama should be the basis of all later Berber dynasties.

I hear ya re. Celtic Christianity, it would have been a bit of a gimmick.

 

[Lofman]

When comes the remaining monarchs for Gwynedd, snuggs? And then we have Pengwern, Calchvynydd, Alba and the Irish thingies who are all sad about not having proper monarchs yet

I've revived the country description thread in history forum, just so you know. BTW played with Gupta yesterday. After a glorious campaign against Persia I conquered the extremely rich province of Kalat . Other then that I strengthened the Hephtalites, made some events for Persia and Hephtalites, and I gave Wei their proper provinces (too bad for Juan-Juan). Also made so that Gupta won't be gaining Babur & and the other Mughal leaders.

 

[Lofman]

Originally posted by Sun_Zi_36
dont know how much you have done, but as you already posted at the top of this page in 476 China was going through the north and south dynasties period. in 476 China was divided between Northern Wei dynasty and Song dynasty in the south. Pingcheng was the capital of Northern Wei (should be in Hohhot province) and later moved to Luoyang. Northern Wei split into Eastern and Western Wei in 534, Eastern Wei was replaced by Northern Qi in 550, Western Wei was replaced by Northern Zhou in 570 and Northern Zhou conquered Northern Qi in 577. In the South, Song was replaced by Qi in 479, then replaced by Liang in 502, then Chan in 557, by this time the borders between north and south were pushed down to the Yangtse River. in 581 Sui replaced Northern Zhou in the north and conquered Chan in 589, thus unifying China. in 618 Tang replaces Sui as the dynasty in China and ruled China for 3 centuries.

just providing you with some basic info (which perhaps you already know). up to you how you use it in the game.

Now which of these dynasties is worthy of their own separate tags. Mostly thinking those in the north, since those southern ones all are represented by 'Nanjing' (still named 'Wu' in the download). I would prefer ideas that are as economic as possible with the tags, but note that Tang should have its own tag (which maybe may be shared with Sui and perhaps Northern Zhou). What about making 'Wei' (after it's divided) represent eastern Wei and Northern Qi, and releasing 'Tang' (representing western Wei, later northern Zhou, later Sui and then Tang) which is then meant to conquer 'Wei' and later 'Nanjing'?

 

[Lofman]

Updated the download. One of the greater changes is setup in India. Tell me what you think about it. Of the countries without monarchs Pashyabhuti only lacks them because I added almost precisely before uploading the thing (the rest does have empty monarch files, and out of them the only one I've really searched for monarchs for is Pandya)

 

[Lofman]

Anyone else then me around here? And snuggs, when is the remaining monarchs for Gwynedd scheduled to be ready? And the monarchs for Pengwern, Calchvynydd and Alba? And the monarchs of the Irish countries?

Well I'll better start looking up monarchs for some Indian states, and add Rashtrakutas, then India will be in good shape (having added some more revolters since I updated the download).

 

[Earl Uhtred]

I think I'll complete the events for the A-S and lowland British kingdoms first. Others need some research.

One thing I noticed idly running the scenario is that with all those one-province minors you get a great deal of weirdness, like the continental Saxons annexing Kent. One of the reasons I asked you to include even more basket case Celtic statelets was that Dyfnain overran the South far too often.

Therefore I suggest the following changes to the diplomatic setup:

Pengwern is a vassal of Gwynedd, is allied to Gwynedd with G as alliance leader. Calchvynydd is a vassal and ally of Dyfnain.

ALL the A-S states - East Anglia, Wessex, Kent, Northumbria, Mercia - begin in a single alliance with KENT the alliance leader.

Ulaid is a vassal of Ui Niall, though is not its ally.

Rheged is allied to Strathclyde though neither are vassals.

That should help prevent weirdness. I'm going to add some events to British nations that trigger revolts in Saxon-cultured provinces. Should help forestall things like Calchvynydd forever annexing Wessex.

 

[Jayavarman]

Originally posted by Lofman
Anyone else then me around here?

Yes.
My participation in this mod is just long in coming, that's all.

 

[wryun]

Originally posted by Lofman
Anyone else then me around here?

I'm still lurking occasionally; this has got pushed onto the list of all the stuff I might do after my exams (in 1.5 weeks)...

 

[Lofman]

It is by some strange reason tougher to find monarchs for countries not appearing in www.hostkingdom.net/regindex.html . All I've found for Kadamba is two guys early in the scenario (and the second one I don't know when his reign should end). For Maitrakas their first ruler (from around 470) that should probably be a leader as he was a general (If I remember what I've read right). Will see what I can find this following week, and hopefully I will have enough to update the download.

By the way if you have monarchs for those Indian states lacking monarchs for the moment, please share them with me

 

[Lofman]

And what are your opinions on how Wei -> Tang thing should be handled?

 

[Lofman]

Updated the download. Now it is beta v 1.00.

I feel that we have gotten enough together, so I'm going to start to keep track of the changes between the versions now.

 

[Jayavarman]

Congratulations!
Remind me to get you some country descriptions in two weeks.

 

[Lofman]

Some thoughts about Judaism.

For the moment we have it represented within the pagan religion. In the course of the scenario two countries (Himyar and Khazars) will convert from pagan to judaism (not a big change for the moment ).

Now I have two ideas on how we could represent Judaism in addition to just leaving it as it is.

1. Use CRC as Judaism. The fact that no province can have this religion is no problem for the Khazars, but I'm unsure about Himyar. And they could convert to Catholicism rather easily which IMHO is not good since neither of them showed any intent to do that (Himyar even persecuted Christians, something that lead to an Ethiopian invasion).

2. Expand Mazdeism (old Shia), and rename it to monotheism or something similar, so that it also covers Judaism. For the moment only one country uses this religion, and they wont convert to some Christian or other religion. However the CB between sunni and shia is a problem.

3. Leave it as it is now.

Out of these I prefer 2. What is your opinions.

 

[Earl Uhtred]

I'd say 2, too. 'Eastern Deism'?

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