Earl Uhtred said:
I assume that would not be impossible if we only had a relevant and more attention-grabbing name
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I assume that would not be impossible if we only had a relevant and more attention-grabbing name
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How about something portentous? "Age of Darkness" or "Eurasia: The Totally Gay Years" or something.
I just want you guys to know that over the next couple weeks I'm gonna take a crack at this map editing stuff and I'll try to do your Britain.
Forgive me as I did not read your whole thread, but are any of you guys in London?
Forgive me as I did not read your whole thread, but are any of you guys in London?
BSweezy said:
I friggin love you
I'll get on with Ireland then.And no, I live up in the NE, by Newcastle.
I think I've got enough of the hang of this to go ahead and start doing up your map. I'm not sure about the technical issues of adding new provinces and everything back in, those still aren't completely nailed down yet, but I can begin drawing it.
The question stands: if you want a new shape to the world (which you do), what shape do you want? My understanding is that you want one without New World, Sub-saharan Africa, Australia/Pacifica. You want one with a larger Europe and everything. You compared your desires to Victoria. Offhand I don't know if Victoria's Britain (etc) is large enough for you, but should I try just copying screenshots of Victoria's map as a starting block?
I'll get started on that and post again.
Oh, the other thing you guys need to start working on is figuring out what province IDs you want for each province. Have fun with that.
The question stands: if you want a new shape to the world (which you do), what shape do you want? My understanding is that you want one without New World, Sub-saharan Africa, Australia/Pacifica. You want one with a larger Europe and everything. You compared your desires to Victoria. Offhand I don't know if Victoria's Britain (etc) is large enough for you, but should I try just copying screenshots of Victoria's map as a starting block?
I'll get started on that and post again.
Oh, the other thing you guys need to start working on is figuring out what province IDs you want for each province. Have fun with that
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BSweezy said:
It's Lofman's baby, but I'm sure that was the idea. Everything from Europe's Atlantic seaboard to Japan.
Could do. Could do. Britain always looks blobby to me in Paradox games though.
I've been tracing all this so far from maps I found off Google.
Ireland...
And an idea of what Ireland might look like in 476, probably completely wrong, but there you go. Either way we're looking at tag holocaust again as you can see. The Ui Fidgente are a first in conflict simulation I bet.
The cross-channel realms should be fun strategic choices, especially Dal Riada. Notice I was wrong about the Irish in Dyfed. It should be Deisi Muman not the Ui Liathain, who were ejected, they say, from Cornwall early in the C5.
The cross-channel realms should be fun strategic choices, especially Dal Riada. Notice I was wrong about the Irish in Dyfed. It should be Deisi Muman not the Ui Liathain, who were ejected, they say, from Cornwall early in the C5.
Is there any chance of you making your maps without black borders between provinces, like this? You can use any colors, I can make them the correct colors easily.
I too have decided to have a crack at creating your Britain
Well I'm new to all this map making, downloaded Infernis' great tools today and have been playing around for a few hours now... The provs look rough as I traced them in first with black and filled them in with colours to generate the shading, and the borders should be in the same colour as the province but ah well, you get a rough idea. And it should be noted I only spent a few minutes to get the rough idea, as it were. Also I had to resize it to fit with the rest of the map, so its roughly the same size as Britain on the vannila map.
Its rough and ugly but it's a start...
I played about some more and came up with something a lot bit better, but theres room for improvment:
And ignore the 'Kurek' at the bottom, I was just pissing about and forgot to remove it
Doesnt look all that great but still, not bad for a 'newb'.
Well I'm new to all this map making, downloaded Infernis' great tools today and have been playing around for a few hours now... The provs look rough as I traced them in first with black and filled them in with colours to generate the shading, and the borders should be in the same colour as the province but ah well, you get a rough idea. And it should be noted I only spent a few minutes to get the rough idea, as it were. Also I had to resize it to fit with the rest of the map, so its roughly the same size as Britain on the vannila map.
Its rough and ugly but it's a start...
I played about some more and came up with something a lot bit better, but theres room for improvment:
And ignore the 'Kurek' at the bottom, I was just pissing about and forgot to remove it
Doesnt look all that great but still, not bad for a 'newb'.
BSweezy said:
Do either of you chaps have Corel Draw? I'll email you copies of the maps and you can wave your magic over them.
Taig Tags
The good news is every tag but two is represented at start in Ireland. This means every province in Ireland but one (Tuam) will have its own 'nation'. A grand total of sixteen if we include Man and count out Dal Riada and Deisi Muman which were covered when I did Britain. That's a lot of tags for a marginal area.
Already taken into account are...
Dal Riada
Deisi Muman
There in 476 are...
Ui Niall Tuath
Ui Niall Deas
Brega
Dal Fiatach
Ui Briuin
Ui Fiachrach
Ui Dunlainge (O'Donnelly)
Ui Chennselaig
Osraige
Eoganacht
Dal Cais
Ui Liathain
Ui Fidgente
Man
Others...
Cenel Conaill (Tir Conaill)
Cenel nEogain (Tir Eogain)
For the late-starting scenario, all that needs to change politically AFAIK is Brega belongs to Ui Niall Deas and Desmumu to the Eoganacht. And of course that the Deisi were evicted from Dyfed, as per the map.
I'm worried, though, that a proliferation of one-province nations will lead to easy annexation sprees. Even a flukey AI could dominate Ireland. I don't want a totally ahistorical large state emerging in this timeframe. How to discourage that exactly is something for later.
Correction: Man's culture, on balance, should be Gaelic.
While I'm on, 'city' names are as follows.
Man - Barrule (?)
Dal Riata - Dunseverick
Uladh - Downpatrick
Argialla - Armagh
Tir Eogain - Derry
Tir Conaill - Ailech
Brega - Knowth
Mide - Tara
Breifne - Fenagh
Connacht - Cruachu
Tuam - Tuam
Naas - Kildare
Osraige - Leighlin
Lagin - Ferns
Urmumu - Cashel
Dal Cais - Killaloe
Ciarraige - Inisfallen
Deisi - Ardmore
Desmumu - Emly
The good news is every tag but two is represented at start in Ireland. This means every province in Ireland but one (Tuam) will have its own 'nation'. A grand total of sixteen if we include Man and count out Dal Riada and Deisi Muman which were covered when I did Britain. That's a lot of tags for a marginal area.
Already taken into account are...
Dal Riada
Deisi Muman
There in 476 are...
Ui Niall Tuath
Ui Niall Deas
Brega
Dal Fiatach
Ui Briuin
Ui Fiachrach
Ui Dunlainge (O'Donnelly)
Ui Chennselaig
Osraige
Eoganacht
Dal Cais
Ui Liathain
Ui Fidgente
Man
Others...
Cenel Conaill (Tir Conaill)
Cenel nEogain (Tir Eogain)
For the late-starting scenario, all that needs to change politically AFAIK is Brega belongs to Ui Niall Deas and Desmumu to the Eoganacht. And of course that the Deisi were evicted from Dyfed, as per the map.
I'm worried, though, that a proliferation of one-province nations will lead to easy annexation sprees. Even a flukey AI could dominate Ireland. I don't want a totally ahistorical large state emerging in this timeframe. How to discourage that exactly is something for later.
Correction: Man's culture, on balance, should be Gaelic.
While I'm on, 'city' names are as follows.
Man - Barrule (?)
Dal Riata - Dunseverick
Uladh - Downpatrick
Argialla - Armagh
Tir Eogain - Derry
Tir Conaill - Ailech
Brega - Knowth
Mide - Tara
Breifne - Fenagh
Connacht - Cruachu
Tuam - Tuam
Naas - Kildare
Osraige - Leighlin
Lagin - Ferns
Urmumu - Cashel
Dal Cais - Killaloe
Ciarraige - Inisfallen
Deisi - Ardmore
Desmumu - Emly
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Focus on Arthur
Let me start by saying I'm Arturosceptic. However, to have a scenario that includes Dark Age Britain without at least the possibility of Arthur is a missed opportunity.
As I see it, 'Against the Tide?' should fire around 485. The event will fire for a lowland British realm. If the nation was annexed, or is no longer Catholic, or chooses option A, the event will fire for the next on this chain. If none exists, the event never fires.
Calchvynydd
Caer Gliw
Pengwern
Dyfnain
Loidis
Basically, the event gives you a choice between plodding along as you were or accepting the huge, yet temporary benefits Arthur conveys.
'Against the Tide?'
01/03/485
preq: Catholic
Text: Arthur remains perhaps the greatest enigma of Dark Age British history. Distorted through chivalric legend and the later Romantic myth, the significance or even existence of 'King Arthur' as a historical figure will always be open to dispute. Modern writers imagine a leader emerging perhaps from the ranks of the old Romano-British aristocracy, leading the British to a series of victories over the Anglo-Saxons. This might include the one named battle we can be reasonably sure happened in fact, that at 'Badon Hill', site uncertain, around 495, and alluded to by Gildas writing within 55 years of that date. Only supposition links this victory with Arthur, however. For our purposes, Arthur offers his services as 'dux Britanniarum' to your realm to accept or decline. Acceptance confers huge offensive benefits... for a time.
choice 1 - AI chance 80%
'Arthur who?'
stability +1
$25
choice 2 - AI chance 20%
'Hail a false dawn!'
change tag: Pryden
stability -2
centralisation -1, aristocracy +2, offensive +2
3 diplomats
$50
sleep current monarch and king-leader
wake monarch and king-leader Ardur
10k infantry, 5k cavalry
relations with all Anglian, Saxon, Jutish realms -150
relations with all British realms +50
relations with all North British realms and Briezh +25
add cores to every province in Britain south of Westerna - Elmet - Deira inclusive
wake event 'Camlann'
'Camlann'
01/03/496
preq: Pryden accepted choice 2 above
Text: In his lifetime Arthur may have united the British and contained the Anglo-Saxon advance, but neither achievement seems to have counted for much in the long run. The fabric of central government and the basis of civil life no longer existed in Britain. Plague, bad harvests and endemic violence reduced populations to lower levels than perhaps at any time since the Bronze Age. The tendency was for now towards warlordism not unity and no military achievement could turn back the clock. Over the next century and a half, the remnants of British power fought and fell disunited and demoralised.
'Sic transit...'
revert tag
stability -5
offensive -2
random revolt x 4 (+defection?)
revolt risk +10 for 60 months
-$100
lose all but basic cores
Let me start by saying I'm Arturosceptic. However, to have a scenario that includes Dark Age Britain without at least the possibility of Arthur is a missed opportunity.
As I see it, 'Against the Tide?' should fire around 485. The event will fire for a lowland British realm. If the nation was annexed, or is no longer Catholic, or chooses option A, the event will fire for the next on this chain. If none exists, the event never fires.
Calchvynydd
Caer Gliw
Pengwern
Dyfnain
Loidis
Basically, the event gives you a choice between plodding along as you were or accepting the huge, yet temporary benefits Arthur conveys.
'Against the Tide?'
01/03/485
preq: Catholic
Text: Arthur remains perhaps the greatest enigma of Dark Age British history. Distorted through chivalric legend and the later Romantic myth, the significance or even existence of 'King Arthur' as a historical figure will always be open to dispute. Modern writers imagine a leader emerging perhaps from the ranks of the old Romano-British aristocracy, leading the British to a series of victories over the Anglo-Saxons. This might include the one named battle we can be reasonably sure happened in fact, that at 'Badon Hill', site uncertain, around 495, and alluded to by Gildas writing within 55 years of that date. Only supposition links this victory with Arthur, however. For our purposes, Arthur offers his services as 'dux Britanniarum' to your realm to accept or decline. Acceptance confers huge offensive benefits... for a time.
choice 1 - AI chance 80%
'Arthur who?'
stability +1
$25
choice 2 - AI chance 20%
'Hail a false dawn!'
change tag: Pryden
stability -2
centralisation -1, aristocracy +2, offensive +2
3 diplomats
$50
sleep current monarch and king-leader
wake monarch and king-leader Ardur
10k infantry, 5k cavalry
relations with all Anglian, Saxon, Jutish realms -150
relations with all British realms +50
relations with all North British realms and Briezh +25
add cores to every province in Britain south of Westerna - Elmet - Deira inclusive
wake event 'Camlann'
'Camlann'
01/03/496
preq: Pryden accepted choice 2 above
Text: In his lifetime Arthur may have united the British and contained the Anglo-Saxon advance, but neither achievement seems to have counted for much in the long run. The fabric of central government and the basis of civil life no longer existed in Britain. Plague, bad harvests and endemic violence reduced populations to lower levels than perhaps at any time since the Bronze Age. The tendency was for now towards warlordism not unity and no military achievement could turn back the clock. Over the next century and a half, the remnants of British power fought and fell disunited and demoralised.
'Sic transit...'
revert tag
stability -5
offensive -2
random revolt x 4 (+defection?)
revolt risk +10 for 60 months
-$100
lose all but basic cores
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Focus on wealth
This map shows how provincial wealth might be reflected.
I don't want to put absolute values on anything before the Continent is sorted out. Clearly, though, even the richest British provinces should be mediocre by the standards of Gaul never mind the Mediterranean.
This map shows how provincial wealth might be reflected.
I don't want to put absolute values on anything before the Continent is sorted out. Clearly, though, even the richest British provinces should be mediocre by the standards of Gaul never mind the Mediterranean.
Well, I think we can make the map like this:
. This is sufficiently enlarged that all those new provinces in Britain should be plenty large enough. We won't know for sure until I get into the game.
Well it has a few issues, but it does look kind of awesome.
This is the enlarged England overtop of a vanilla sized continent. Compare province sizes...some of those Scotland ones are still too small. That said, once the "too small" provinces get cut, this many provinces in Britain is probably fine.
Don't pay much to those sea zones, I just threw them in at the last minute.
You'll have to wait until I dive into province.csv editing before you can see it in game though.
This is the enlarged England overtop of a vanilla sized continent. Compare province sizes...some of those Scotland ones are still too small. That said, once the "too small" provinces get cut, this many provinces in Britain is probably fine.
Don't pay much to those sea zones, I just threw them in at the last minute.
You'll have to wait until I dive into province.csv editing before you can see it in game though
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I had a serious problem with this scenario... it installs OK, runs OK, but when I try to save a game, it freezes the comp entirely, requiring reset. It was installed on a clean copy of EUII.
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