476 Scenario

[jdrou]

I'm wondering... will this scenario be updated to work with 1.09?

When I asked about the betas he responded:

We it may be done for the beta when the MES have their map if they have it for the beta, however not before that. And we should be nice to the Mac users if we can.

So now that the beta has become an official patch hopefully it will be ported for the Mac users soon which would cover that at least but there's still no new map that I'm aware of.

 

[Lofman]

I'm wondering... will this scenario be updated to work with 1.09?

If I would download 1.09, although that day doesn't seem to close. Fram what I've understood, making it 1.09 compatible will recquire editing the province.csv and removing/updating the adjacent.tbl (the only file in the mapfolder for 476), out of these the province.csv is the more important (just removing adjacent.tbl will ofcourse make things much more tougher for Juan-Juan, but province.csv matters to all countries). Someone that feels that they have time on their hand could make the province.csv 1.09 compatible (and adjacent.tbl if wanted) and make it available for all others with 1.09 for as long as 476 isn't formally updated to 1.09. For the next version of 476, if I'm not updating it for 1.09 of course, I will atleast keep track of all changes to province.csv done from now on.

 

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if you need help on Bulgaria,sign me
i can provide historical info,monarchs,some events(but they will surely need corections,because i only have made events for Victoria),i also can find info for some leaders

 

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in 476 there is not a Bulgarian state,the Bulgarian tribes lived in North Caucasus and Panonia.Khan Kubrat unified the tribes and a state called Great Bulgaria-Crimea,North Caucasus,East Ukraine.He ruled from 631 to 653(665).After his death under the pressure from Khazars,the Country collapsed.
His sons fled and Khan Kotrag made the Volga Bulgaria and Khan Asparuh(Isperih,Esberuh) created a state in the balkans.It streched from Thrace to Dniepr.In game these territories would be-Bulgaria,Wallachia,Rumelia,Dobrudja,Rumelia,Bujak...
So this can be represented by events-maybe Bulgarian migration and some options,to stay or to migrate(just ideas)
So the Khans now
Asparuh ...-701(he may be Khan from 653(665) although officialy he is Khan from 681.Stats well good military skill-7-8 good diplo-6-7,and economy-5-6
Tervel 701-718 military-7 diplo-8 economy-6
Kormesosh(Kormesii)718-738 not very well known military-5 diplo-5 economy-5
Sevar 738-753 mil-5 diplo-5 economy-5
in 753 began a crisis
it may be like this-monarch-Crisis economy militaryand diplo-all 2
or
753-760-Khan Vineh m-2 d-1 e-1
760-763 Telec(Telesii) m-5 d-1 e-1
763-766 Sabin m-1 d-3 e-1
766-Umor m-1 d-1 e-1
766-767 Toktu m-4 d-2 e-1
767-768 Pagan m-1 d-4 e-1
this will be the end of the crisis
768-777 Telerig m-4 d-6 e-6
777-802 Kardam m-7 d-7 e-5
803-814 Krum m-9 d-8 e-8(This is one of our greatest Khans)
814-831 Omurtag m-6 d-7 e-9
831-836 Malamir m-4 d-6 e-3
836-852 Presian m-7 d-6 e-6
852-889 Boris m-5 d-9 e-6
889-893 Rasate m-2 d-1 e-1
893-927 Simeon the Great m-9 d-9 e-9
927-970 Peter m-4 d-5 e-5...

and for the events:
some important historical events-The migration in 653(665);
The treaties with Byzantium in 681 and 718
in 765 was written some sort of historical book witch is very imposrtant(from it we know many of the Khans during the crisis)-"imenik na bulgarskite Khanove)
774 the anihilation of the byzantish spy network in Bulgaria
During the reign of Krum-the laws and the state reform and in 805 the Avar Khaganate was destroyed and maybe ingame-Belgrade Siebenbuergen to Bulgaria
during the reign of Omurtag-another state reform, purges against the christians,slav revolts in west Bulgaria(Belgrade)
863-864 Boris converts to Christianity
in 855 the Cyrilic Alphabet was err.. invented
but the final variation used today is the Alphabet from Kliment one of Cyrils students invented around 886-916
...........and so on

ok if this project is not dead i'll help

 

[Lofman]

Sounds good. How many tags do you feel should be used, 3 perhaps (Great Bulgaria, Volga-Bulgaria and Bulgaria(in Balkans)). As to their appearance I was thinking that they appear after Avars have moved into Pannonia Great Bulgaria appears, or if Altyn Oba is still there at the time Great Bulgaria should appear Altyn Oba becomes Great Bulgaria. One note, we only have to consider events up to 819 .

 

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Yes Three Tags.The Avars moved to Panonia around 557/8 and created their state in 565 actually with them moved the bulgarian tribe-Utigours.And the Kutrigours stayed in Ukraine.After that in 631 The Great Bulgaria was founded by Kubrat leader of the Onoghondurs.Great Bulgaria had a little impact and we may not include it but include a country called "Bulgarian tribes" or "Bulgarians" which can actually start in 476.This may be done beacause during the period from 476-557/8 these regions were ruled by different bulgarian tribes-Chad-bulgars,Kupi-bulgars,Kutigours....
Well the monarch will be very hard to be found because there is little info about ths period-only three Khans are well known-Khan Irnik and Khan Zabergan.The monarch may be something of that kind-"Dulo house","Dulo" because the leading dynasty was "Dulo" no matter which tribe had superiority and some of the Khans should be leaders.During the period 557-631 the monarch may be -"turkish nobles" and after that comes Kubrat,after him the migration.

 

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could you tell me also the free id's for Bulgarian monarchs so that a can start writing them.
And also i wasn't able to find a download link if you can provide one it will be great
after the monarchs i'll find some leaders and the events
ahh and the flag it should be something like this IYI in black surrounded by yellow circle (i'll try to find a picture-http://www.bgns.net/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=85&Itemid=63
the page is cyrillic but you can see the symbol there)

 

[Lofman]

could you tell me also the free id's for Bulgarian monarchs so that a can start writing them.
And also i wasn't able to find a download link if you can provide one it will be great
after the monarchs i'll find some leaders and the events
ahh and the flag it should be something like this IYI in black surrounded by yellow circle (i'll try to find a picture-http://www.bgns.net/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=85&Itemid=63
the page is cyrillic but you can see the symbol there)

For monarch ids, I will try to find some free Id range, and will post that in two days (won't be online tomorrow). Download link, I assume you mean for the scenario? If so look in the sub-forum for uploading/downloading things, IIRC it is still on the first page a thread where it may be found.

Regarding the Avars and how to get them to the west. Since if I'm not mistaken they went west from their original position south of the Urals as the Gok Turks came, I have the following idea of how to do it.
1. a) If Avars haven't done any westward expansion, make the Gok Turks annex them, soon afterwards Altyn Oba becomes Avars (and given some sort of boost, Altyn Oba is generally quite weak)
b) If Avars have expanded, make them lose their original holdings south of the Urals to Gok Turks, but increase the likelyhood of Avars taking the remaining parts of the lands north of the Black Sea that they should have.
2. Events for Langobard-Avar alliance whereas Avars will with some help annex Gepids. After that is done move Avars to former Gepid territory, and release Magna Bulgaria in lands north of Black Sea.

Another thing is Frankish Burgundy. Currently it uses the same tag as Burgundian Burgundy, and I'm not too happy about this situation. So should Frankish Burgundy be given it's own tag? Another alternative is letting Orleans represent Frankish Burgundy, since IIRC the only real independent king of Frankish Burgundy (in Merovingian times) should be Guntchramn king of Orleans and Burgundy. That is when I or someone else finally make events for dividing the Frankish Kingdom after Chlothars death into Austrasia and Neustria, Orleans will also be released and given the parts of Burgundy the Franks have managed to conquer. That could possibly be made easier by giving Orleans those provinces in revolt.txt, making event 100408 ("Expansion into Burgundy") unnecessary in its current form since Orleans would have those cores anyway. This would allow having Burgundy Burgundian for those who wish to play with them and not get conquered by Franks.

 

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Yes the Avars and all the migration thing will be hard
the Avars began to migrate and created their khaganate after the fall of the Empire "Juan Juan" somewhere in Siberia.They created the state in 565 in panonia.Their state was craeted with money from byzantium.Byzantium also gave them weapons armor etc..So why not create an event for byzantium-"Support the enemies of the slavs" and after thet the Avar Khaganate appears in Panonia.The Avars were mainly sponcored to fight the slavs.
as for Bulgaria:
maybe from the western turks khaganate in 631 it appears with an event-"Bulgarian revolt" or something of that kind
when Kubrat dies another Event and you choose wether to follow Khan Asparuh and create Bulgaria or Khan Kotrag and create Volga-Bulgaria.And Magna Bulgaria transforms to Khazar Khaganate.

i didn't get tje point with the Burgundians,but maybe there should be two TAgs-one for the franks(if you need monarch list i can do it) and one for the Burgundians which are two different tribes)


historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = * id = ******* }
name = "Kubrat"
startdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 631
}
deathdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 665
}
DIP = 8
MIL = 7
ADM = 7
}
i think this how monarchs are done ?

The problem with the dates is that for very few Khans the death and starting date is known.actually after the death of a Khan there was a funeral,some sort of public meeteng of the aristocracy to decide whether the Khan will be good or not etc...maybe Krum,Omurtag,Kardam,Umor will have strating and ending dates

 

[Lofman]

Regarding the Avars as far as I could tell the main reason they came to pannonia was because they allied with the Langobards and together they squashed the Gepids, which was a very bad thing for the ERE so instead of two powers fighting each other (Gepids and Langobards) they now had two that where allied (Avars and Langobards), Langobards then went to Italy and Avars stayed in Pannonia.

Bulgar monarch-IDs 15455-

Tags are always nice to have:
MAG-Magna Bulgaria
BUL-Bulgaria(in Balkans)
VOL-Volga-Bulgaria

 

[Basileios I]

Bulgar monarch-IDs 15455-

Tags are always nice to have:
MAG-Magna Bulgaria
BUL-Bulgaria(in Balkans)
VOL-Volga-Bulgaria

Magna Bulgaria and Bulgaria (in Balkans) were the same. The Khagan (Asparuch) just moved the capital (to Pliska).

For some info on the Bulgars:

Nike posted some very good info on them here .

Very helpful.

EDIT:

Oh, just realized. You gave Magna Bulgaria a different tag for gameplay reasons.

 

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wow Nike's info is great thanks Basileus II
let's decide how to do the Avars,Bulgarians,and Byzantines
maybe the Avars can create their country in 558 or 565 by an event for the byzantines beacuse they war the main sponcors and the initiators.Justinian paid a lot of money to different tribes to attack slavs.Or they can appear after an event for the Gepids or Langobards.Again around 558-565.
Magna Bulgaria may appear after an event for the Altyn Oba-in 631-revolt
it will be there until 680 when the Bolkan Bulgaria is created.After that it gets annexed by the Khazars(almost all of it -some provinces may go to the new Bulgaria).Magna Bulgaria should have two rulers-Khan Kubrat(who died probably in 651/2 or 665) and Khan Batbayan(Bayan)(who ruled from 651/2 to 654).Batbayan stayed in magna Bulgaria to help his brothers escape.The capital is Fanagoria(Kerch).When 654 comes the player chooses an option-wether to create Bulgaria(balkan) Volga Bulgaria or be annexed by the Khazars(yeah sure).Bulgaria (Bolkan) recieves all provinces left from Dniepr-Krementjug,Bujak,Moldavia.Meanwhile the provinces bulgaria,Rumelia and Wallachia can be some sort of vassals of the empire(Seven slavik tribes and the Severs).In 681 they get annexed by Asparuhian Bulgaria and capitol moves to Pliska(Rumelia).

 

[niceta]

An info: is this scenario compatible with mymap?

 

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historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 15455 }
name = "Kubrat"
startdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 1631
}
deathdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 1665
}
DIP = 8
MIL = 7
ADM = 7
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 15456 }
name = "Batbayan"
startdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 1651
}
deathdate = {
day = 2
month = january
year = 1654
}
DIP = 6
MIL = 8
ADM = 5
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 15457 }
name = "Asparuh"
startdate = {
day = 2
month = january
year = 1654
}
deathdate = {
day = 2
month = january
year = 1701
}
DIP = 6
MIL = 8
ADM = 5
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 15458 }
name = "Tervel"
startdate = {
day = 2
month = january
year = 1701
}
deathdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 1721
}
DIP = 8
MIL = 7
ADM = 6
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 15459 }
name = "Kormesosh"
startdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 1721
}
deathdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 1738
}
DIP = 5
MIL = 5
ADM = 5
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 15460 }
name = "Sevar"
startdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 1738
}
deathdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 1753
}
DIP = 5
MIL = 5
ADM = 5
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 15461 }
name = "Vineh"
startdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 1753
}
deathdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 1760
}
DIP = 1
MIL = 2
ADM = 1
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 15462 }
name = "Telec"
startdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 1760
}
deathdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 1763
}
DIP = 1
MIL = 5
ADM = 1
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 15463 }
name = "Sabin"
startdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 1763
}
deathdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 1766
}
DIP = 3
MIL = 1
ADM = 1
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 15464 }
name = "Umor"
startdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 1766
}
deathdate = {
day = 1
month = march
year = 1766
}
DIP = 1
MIL = 1
ADM = 1
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 15465 }
name = "Toktu"
startdate = {
day = 1
month = march
year = 1766
}
deathdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 1767
}
DIP = 2
MIL = 4
ADM = 1
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 15466 }
name = "Pagan"
startdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 1767
}
deathdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 1768
}
DIP = 4
MIL = 1
ADM = 1
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 15467 }
name = "Telerig"
startdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 1768
}
deathdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 1777
}
DIP = 6
MIL = 4
ADM = 6
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 15468 }
name = "Kardam"
startdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 1777
}
deathdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 1802
}
DIP = 7
MIL = 7
ADM = 5
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 15469 }
name = "Krum"
startdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 1802
}
deathdate = {
day = 13
month = april
year = 1814
}
DIP = 8
MIL = 9
ADM = 8
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 15470 }
name = "Omurtag"
startdate = {
day = 13
month = april
year = 1814
}
deathdate = {
day = 1
month = january
year = 1831
}
DIP = 7
MIL = 6
ADM = 9
}

This will need many corrections but anyway just tell me if it will work
I put "1" in front of the year because i understood that the mod doesnt use time mods.

 

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concerning the leaders
maybe some Khans-Asparuh,Tervel(whe was really good),Kardam,Krum
and some generals-Tarkhan Onegavon,Tarkhan Okorsis,Kavkhan Isbul,Kuber
and for Magna Bulgaria-Khan Kubrat,Batbayan,Asparuh,Kotrag,Mohodo Hoe,Organa

 

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for example:
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = ****** }
category = monarch
name = "Krum"
startdate = {
year = 1803
}
deathdate = {
day = 13
month = april
year = 1814
}
rank = 0
movement = 4
fire = 3
shock = 5
siege = 2
}

 

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hi! I've been trying to install your mod and I can't run it it seems. I installed it in the "476" folder under the eu2 directory. I created a bat file and I wrote in it

eu2.exe 476

However, the game crashed at the load up when it tries to load the graphics.

So, I don't know what to do next now. Any help? I didn't saw any info in the thread (fast reading though).

Thanks!

 

[jdrou]

hi! I've been trying to install your mod and I can't run it it seems. I installed it in the "476" folder under the eu2 directory. I created a bat file and I wrote in it

eu2.exe 476

However, the game crashed at the load up when it tries to load the graphics.

So, I don't know what to do next now. Any help? I didn't saw any info in the thread (fast reading though).

Thanks!

What EU2 patch are you running? The mod isn't designed for the latest patches.

 

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What EU2 patch are you running? The mod isn't designed for the latest patches.

What version is it designed for then?

 

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1.8 versions,i think it got to work with anything without 1.9