The Let us claim the name Germany in the German Empire event fires twice,in 1870 and 1871.
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Hungary and Austria had the same king for 400 years.
You wouldn't make Hungary independent in 1700 (for instance), would you?
You wouldn't make Hungary independent in 1700 (for instance), would you?
Emp_Palpatine said:
Exactly. Even after they became Austria-Hungary, and Hugnary got more autonomy - I still wouldn't seperate the two.
And because yoiu are Croat, Polish, Slovak or whatever, Hive should change is mod, against historic reality, in order to please some narrowminded nationalism?
Croatia wasn't independant, that's the point!
It's like Poland in 1816! In the texts, it's an independant Kingdom with the same monarch as Russia. We all know what was the real situation.
Croatia wasn't independant, that's the point!
It's like Poland in 1816! In the texts, it's an independant Kingdom with the same monarch as Russia. We all know what was the real situation.
I try to be unbiased and make this mod as accurate as possible.
And untill I see any reasonable proof saying that Croatia was indeed independent from Hungary, I'll keep the current setup.
And untill I see any reasonable proof saying that Croatia was indeed independent from Hungary, I'll keep the current setup.
If Croatia wasn't semi-indipendent in 1419,why did Paradox make Croatia playeble?Because of our HUGE market right? 
And I know that I know my country's history better than some Dane or Frenchman ,this is like me telling Hive about Denmark's history,which I know nothing about,so make Croatia playeble in the 1419 scenario and make it start as a vassal of Hungary,which is HISTORICAL.
And I know that I know my country's history better than some Dane or Frenchman ,this is like me telling Hive about Denmark's history,which I know nothing about,so make Croatia playeble in the 1419 scenario and make it start as a vassal of Hungary,which is HISTORICAL.
Emp_Palpatine said:
The historic reality is that we were vassal's of Hungary,the country was called Hrvatsko-Ugarska(Croatia-Hungary in English),we had the same king,who was crowned king of Croatia AND Hungary,not just Hungary,we had our own senate and Ban,now you genius's are going to tell me that Josip Jelacic was a Ban of a country that never existed,right?
Palpatine,
It was the irony. You know, something like arony but not for tea? And it was 1815, not 1816.
It was the irony. You know, something like arony but not for tea? And it was 1815, not 1816.
King of Croatia said:If Croatia wasn't semi-indipendent in 1419,why did Paradox make Croatia playeble?Because of our HUGE market right?
Because Paradox made an error. Why do you think mods like the EEP and AGC was started? Because they felt that vanilla EUII wasn't historical enough for them...
I fail to see why being from Croatia makes you an expert in Croatian history. No offense, but people often see history through different, nationalistic eyes depending on which nation they are from. I bet that if I ask a Hungarian about this issue, I'll get a totally different answer...
Like I previously said: The online sources I have read states that Croatia was a part of Hungary. They had a degree of autonomy, but not enough to have them in EUII as a seperate nation imo. I will not change this stance just because you say so.
You want me to change my views? Then link me to some online sources proving me wrong. And I'm talking about online ENGLISH sources, written by someone neutral (eg. not a Croat or a Hungarian).
In France, lot of provinces had their own parliament. But they weren't independant!
I didn't say Croatia had a wide autonomy, but I say it wasn't formally independant.
Hive is right about nationalistic vision of history...
I didn't say Croatia had a wide autonomy, but I say it wasn't formally independant.
Hive is right about nationalistic vision of history...
Emp_Palpatine said:In France, lot of provinces had their own parliament. But they weren't independant!
I didn't say Croatia had a wide autonomy, but I say it wasn't formally independant.
Hive is right about nationalistic vision of history...
But the country wasn't called France-Auvaragne-Orleans......
And you king wasn't crowned the king of France-Auvaragne-Orleans......,or was he?
Hive said:
1)Paradox did it right,you are the one that did it wrong.
2)I am not an expert,but I certanly know much more about Croatian history than you do.
3)That part about me being a nationalist :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
If you had ever meet a Croatian nationalist,you would see how wrong you are about me being a nationalist.
King of Croatia said:
This is one single description of it that says what you say, but it's not all too descriptive...
And to me this just sounds like the situation with Austria-Hungary - and I sure won't split that up...
No, he was probably duke or count in those areas.
Here is your link in ENGLISH and DANSK and HRVATSKA.
I bolded the most vital parts.
It became one of the most powerful kingdoms in the region. In 1102 the Croatians ended a decade-long dynastic struggle by agreeing to submit themselves to Hungarian authority. By the mid-1400s, the Hungarian kingdom was gravely impacted by the Ottoman expansion while Dalmatia became mostly Venetian. The Republic of Dubrovnik was independent.
The Battle of Mohács in 1526 led the Croatian Parliament to invite the Habsburgs, under Ferdinand I, to assume control over Croatia. Habsburg rule eventually did prove to be successful in thwarting the Ottomans, and by the 18th century, much of Croatia was free of Turkish control. Istria, Dalmatia and Dubrovnik all eventually passed to the Austro-Hungarian Empire between 1797 and 1815.
Following World War I and the demise of Austria-Hungary, Croatia joined the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (which became Yugoslavia in 1929). Yugoslavia was invaded during World War II and Croatia was made into a fascist puppet-state named the Independent State of Croatia. After the defeat of the Axis powers, Yugoslavia became a federal socialist state under the strong hand of Josip Broz Tito.
Me's not very good with Balkan history. Me's very good in reading.
edit: There is a gap between 1102 and 1912 in the link you posted.
I bolded the most vital parts.
It became one of the most powerful kingdoms in the region. In 1102 the Croatians ended a decade-long dynastic struggle by agreeing to submit themselves to Hungarian authority. By the mid-1400s, the Hungarian kingdom was gravely impacted by the Ottoman expansion while Dalmatia became mostly Venetian. The Republic of Dubrovnik was independent.
The Battle of Mohács in 1526 led the Croatian Parliament to invite the Habsburgs, under Ferdinand I, to assume control over Croatia. Habsburg rule eventually did prove to be successful in thwarting the Ottomans, and by the 18th century, much of Croatia was free of Turkish control. Istria, Dalmatia and Dubrovnik all eventually passed to the Austro-Hungarian Empire between 1797 and 1815.
Following World War I and the demise of Austria-Hungary, Croatia joined the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (which became Yugoslavia in 1929). Yugoslavia was invaded during World War II and Croatia was made into a fascist puppet-state named the Independent State of Croatia. After the defeat of the Axis powers, Yugoslavia became a federal socialist state under the strong hand of Josip Broz Tito.
Me's not very good with Balkan history. Me's very good in reading.
edit: There is a gap between 1102 and 1912 in the link you posted.
Rythin,I am talking about Croatia being playeble in 1337 and 1419,not in 1526,1795 or 1815.
edit: There is a gap between 1102 and 1912 in the link you posted.[/QUOTE]
So?This is what is important:
The people elected Kalman and he pledged himself to respect Croatian state rights. In 1102 Kalman swore that Croatia and Hungary would remain two independent kingdoms under St. Stephen's crown and that the king would personify this union. Only Bosnia, a part of the Croatian kingdom, refused to submit to a foreign monarch.
So?This is what is important:
The people elected Kalman and he pledged himself to respect Croatian state rights. In 1102 Kalman swore that Croatia and Hungary would remain two independent kingdoms under St. Stephen's crown and that the king would personify this union. Only Bosnia, a part of the Croatian kingdom, refused to submit to a foreign monarch.