Yup.
Check the savoyard event 1475 with the blessed monarch, maybe a small infra invest and -1 inflation.
Check the savoyard event 1475 with the blessed monarch, maybe a small infra invest and -1 inflation.
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Well, my logic fails to understand how a religious man desiring to do some heavy missionary work would improve country infrastructure or decrease inflation... :wacko:
If such effects are desired, there are other more appropriate events for inflation reduction and infra / trade boost. Like the Renaissance Arrives event.
If such effects are desired, there are other more appropriate events for inflation reduction and infra / trade boost. Like the Renaissance Arrives event.
Byakhiam said:
I don't think he would. Perhaps a small infra boost would make sense if I made option b) "Let him preach for the Greek Church", thus retaining him in the capital?
Either way, I don't think I should make this event too juicy. Its just there to reward the player for being Imperial scum.
Yeah, you're right. The savoyard guy is more the fluffy-puffy guy not the converting guy.
I have just added the events discussed recently to my next major update. Hopefully I'll send it all in this weekend. Just a few more things about the events:
In the Patriarch of Antioch event (201946) I have added a +1 tax value and +1 manpower boost to Constantinople if the player chooses option B. I did it mostly to balance out options A & B a little bit, although I think a person would still have to be mad to choose option B.
At risk of overstepping my responsibilities, I thought I would bring up the greek/turkish culture border in Asia Minor. I kind of liked Byakhiam's original arrangement for cultures on the landmass. Not only did it force the human player to make some tricky decisions regarding his eastern border, but it also had a nice aesthetic quality with 'greek fortress Trabzon' surrounded by turks.
I wondered if it is worth bringing this up for discussion or am I already stepping on toes?
In the Patriarch of Antioch event (201946) I have added a +1 tax value and +1 manpower boost to Constantinople if the player chooses option B. I did it mostly to balance out options A & B a little bit, although I think a person would still have to be mad to choose option B.
At risk of overstepping my responsibilities, I thought I would bring up the greek/turkish culture border in Asia Minor. I kind of liked Byakhiam's original arrangement for cultures on the landmass. Not only did it force the human player to make some tricky decisions regarding his eastern border, but it also had a nice aesthetic quality with 'greek fortress Trabzon' surrounded by turks.
I wondered if it is worth bringing this up for discussion or am I already stepping on toes?
Always ok with me, but keep in mind that Byzantium is still a big underdog in Aberration..
TheArchduke said:
Agreed. Just as in history, Europe's center of gravity has shifted westward.
But then, I don't think I'm suggesting anything that will change that. Not at game start at least.
As for the whole greek/turkish culture thing, I'm mostly just looking for Byakhiam's opinion on the question. I know that any culture changes in asia minor would require modifications to certain events and I'm not about to start poking around uninvited.
Well, we changed the cultures once already, so let's try to stick into current plan with that unless there is good reasoning to do otherwise.
Byakhiam said:
Hey, fair enough.
I kind of feel the urge to play another game as the Byzantium sometime soon. Perhaps its all that Medieval: Total War I've been playing.
Umm, this thread simes kind of dead but I didn't find any other Byzantium related thread here. I have a question about Genoese cooperation events. I've chosen the Palailogi line after Conemnoi, and got one Genoese event since than ( the one that gives two cores in Italy). Since then I sticked to what seemed to me like the prowestern approach. My problem is that I suddenly became aware that Genoa no longer exists. It somehow belongs to Eire now. So does this mean that I'm screwed ? I tried to play "historically", act upon events or casus' belli I had. So now without Genoa I won't get "invitation" to attack Europe anymore ?
Sekenr said:Umm, this thread simes kind of dead but I didn't find any other Byzantium related thread here. I have a question about Genoese cooperation events. I've chosen the Palailogi line after Conemnoi, and got one Genoese event since than ( the one that gives two cores in Italy). Since then I sticked to what seemed to me like the prowestern approach. My problem is that I suddenly became aware that Genoa no longer exists. It somehow belongs to Eire now. So does this mean that I'm screwed ? I tried to play "historically", act upon events or casus' belli I had. So now without Genoa I won't get "invitation" to attack Europe anymore ?
If you have the cores on Napoli and Apulia and a COT in Athens (you get to move the COT whether or not Genoa is alive), all you need to do now is take one of your Italian cores and make Sicily a vassal, Genoa or no Genoa. This will give you the grand prize (which you've presumably been aiming for) of Italian culture. I think you'd be well advised to try to 'liberate' Liguria proper from the Irish, though: as long as you don't hold any of Genoa's starting provinces (Liguria, Veneto, Corsica, Sardinia, Malta) and Genoa consists just of Liguria, you'll inherit Genoa back and get its cores, meaning Genoa has been incorporated into the empire.
Thanks! So should I take Leguria from Eire or not ? I didn't quite understand this part. I have a cause since they have economic embargo with me for some reason
I didn't quite understand this part. I have a cause since they have economic embargo with me for some reason
Sekenr said:Thanks! So should I take Leguria from Eire or not ?
What I read was that your should take Liguria, then use it to release Genoa as a vassal. That way you should inherit Genoa (if you do not also own any of Veneto, Corsica, Sardinia or Malta, if you do own any of these you have to get rid of them before getting the inheritance).
Inheriting Genoa also grants a lot of nice CB-shields.
I'd like to contribute some feedback on Genoese cooperation. Right now it seems unexistant, like the events tell you about rather close relationship with Genoa by your ruler, while there is no actual cooperation. You can fight Genoa, take it's lands whatever, and than another cooperation event stikes you all of a sudden.
Sekenr said:
Agreed. This chain of events should fall through if Genoa and Byzantium go to war, and if the Palaiologoi are in charge, going to war with Genoa should spark a political crisis.
Another observation:
First I already posted about the lack of interation with Ukraine, who is your principal ally IMO, since they can help you against Hungary and Khaliphat both. But this post somehow dissapeared
Second, the Byzantine colonization. You get two conqustadors in 1500 something, but I couldn't find any use for them. They stayed home and died peacefully Being left out of colonisation race makes a good part of the sixteen's century boring, there is nothing to do. The plan of exploring and colonising India seems very nice historically-wise, but hardly realistic. You can only get your conquistador there by DOWing all countries in between. lol, that effectively makes your poor conqustador a new Alexander of Macedon All this for a map of India seems a bit too much IMO.
First I already posted about the lack of interation with Ukraine, who is your principal ally IMO, since they can help you against Hungary and Khaliphat both. But this post somehow dissapeared
Second, the Byzantine colonization. You get two conqustadors in 1500 something, but I couldn't find any use for them. They stayed home and died peacefully
Being left out of colonisation race makes a good part of the sixteen's century boring, there is nothing to do. The plan of exploring and colonising India seems very nice historically-wise, but hardly realistic. You can only get your conquistador there by DOWing all countries in between. lol, that effectively makes your poor conqustador a new Alexander of Macedon All this for a map of India seems a bit too much IMO.
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Sekenr said:Another observation:
First I already posted about the lack of interation with Ukraine, who is your principal ally IMO, since they can help you against Hungary and Khaliphat both. But this post somehow dissapeared
Second, the Byzantine colonization. You get two conqustadors in 1500 something, but I couldn't find any use for them. They stayed home and died peacefully
I think that your other postings were in the Ukraine thread, so check there.
As for the conquistadors, no one really knows why Byz has those. They will disappear in the next version. Personally, I don't think Byzantium should get explorers, unless they pursue a western direction. They are a land-based power involved in the Eastern region. Later, conquistadors for them can be used for the Siberian corridor.
Maybe they shouldn't get explorers, but I think they should. Otherwise good part of the game becomes boring. I agree that they should have explorers if they follow the "western plan".
I've been thinking some more about Byzantium.
Currently there are many paths the player can take, each resulting in its
own prize.
In the Kantakouzenoi line, the prizes are:
a. no Turmoil
b. generally better monarchs
c . and specific prizes relating to different Kantekouzenoi lines, such as
no civil war for the Bulgarians, and Caucasian culture via Michael.
In the Palaiologoi line, there are two alternative prizes:
a. Turkish culture, probably the best conceived and written line in the file
b. Italian culture.
Now, there are definitely some holes in the Kantekouzenoi line. There is
really no good reason for selecting some of the possible heirs, who have no
significant prize for pursuing them. And the Bulgarians miss the civil war,
but that can also be avoided through having the right DP settings when it
would trigger. (Yes, the civil war needs to be made more likely).
However, the biggest concern for me is line b. in the Palaiologoi. Getting
Italian culture is very difficult (well, not in SP) and it's not that it is
too easy, I just think its all wrong. The Romans are not Italian any more.
The two peoples have gone in very different directions. It isn't enough to
conquer places and bring them into the culture. With the Turks, their recent
past has been entwined with that of the Byzantine empire, and incorporating
them, while difficult, is conceivable. (I love the way you lose it and then
get it back again).
For me, if Byzantium choses Palaiologoi and heads west instead of east, the
prize should not be an extra culture, per se, but to be able to join the
west, to re-westernise. Ergo, to gain latin techgroup. It's certainly a
worthy prize. Perhaps a finer prize than Italian culture, but also more
realistic and less disruptive.
Currently there are many paths the player can take, each resulting in its
own prize.
In the Kantakouzenoi line, the prizes are:
a. no Turmoil
b. generally better monarchs
c . and specific prizes relating to different Kantekouzenoi lines, such as
no civil war for the Bulgarians, and Caucasian culture via Michael.
In the Palaiologoi line, there are two alternative prizes:
a. Turkish culture, probably the best conceived and written line in the file
b. Italian culture.
Now, there are definitely some holes in the Kantekouzenoi line. There is
really no good reason for selecting some of the possible heirs, who have no
significant prize for pursuing them. And the Bulgarians miss the civil war,
but that can also be avoided through having the right DP settings when it
would trigger. (Yes, the civil war needs to be made more likely).
However, the biggest concern for me is line b. in the Palaiologoi. Getting
Italian culture is very difficult (well, not in SP) and it's not that it is
too easy, I just think its all wrong. The Romans are not Italian any more.
The two peoples have gone in very different directions. It isn't enough to
conquer places and bring them into the culture. With the Turks, their recent
past has been entwined with that of the Byzantine empire, and incorporating
them, while difficult, is conceivable. (I love the way you lose it and then
get it back again).
For me, if Byzantium choses Palaiologoi and heads west instead of east, the
prize should not be an extra culture, per se, but to be able to join the
west, to re-westernise. Ergo, to gain latin techgroup. It's certainly a
worthy prize. Perhaps a finer prize than Italian culture, but also more
realistic and less disruptive.