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Originally posted by Steel
Can we find some middle ground where we have a decent amount of nuke research from 1936 onwards and don't need the extra AI files?
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I can try to find something, but keep in mind that by first 3 years German IC is half size of American - that makes real difference. Even with France and half of Europe Germany still got about 600-650 IC compared to 800-1000 IC of US. Not a chance without seriously lowered research on the other fields.
 
Well, it's not like Germany does very poorly right now so they can afford to cut back on other techs. Did you look into this? If you don't have time then I'll do it, I'd rather fix this for next release than have to maintain nine AI files... A quick glance at germany.ai shows me that for example artillery research is set at 27 times nuke research and running a handsoff game shows that with that setting Germany does no nuclear research at all by July 1940.
 
Originally posted by Steel
Well, it's not like Germany does very poorly right now so they can afford to cut back on other techs. Did you look into this? If you don't have time then I'll do it, I'd rather fix this for next release than have to maintain nine AI files... A quick glance at germany.ai shows me that for example artillery research is set at 27 times nuke research and running a handsoff game shows that with that setting Germany does no nuclear research at all by July 1940.
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That's Paradox way of keeping game historical - thanks to that Germany got no nukes in HoI. And I would leave it as it is now - Bohr event gives German AI chance to change that, and nuke research is so IC consuming, that by giving it higher priority other fields will be seriously damaged.
BTW, I didn't worked on their research priorities too hard - most of the time German AI is doing fine even without that (vide Eastern Front). If I implemented there detailed "research trails" like in ussr or usa.ai, then Germany would be simply too good. We might think about it though in context of HARD C.O.R.E. modifications.
 
Originally posted by Axel lindholm
I
On June 25th, 1941, Soviet airplanes broke the Finnish peace by bombing Finnish towns without a declaration of war. This started the Continuation War. We could make this an triggured if the winter war existed and if Finland chose to "give in to soviet demands". It should start a state of war between FIN and SOV.(join axis) I think it should also state how President Ryti made a famous speech to the Finnish people saying, "It is once again time for Finland to defend herself!." This should increase manpower aswell as maybe increasing the IC in Helsinki due to the morale upgrade?
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:) You should know better. The Finns joined the axis to regain lost territories when Germany started Barbarossa, not exactly self-defense
 
Originally posted by Axel lindholm
Knott, I do belive you are incorrect. Finland was neutral after the Winter War. The Soviets forced Finland into self defense in the Continuation War with its air raids.
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No sense to quarrel - Finns in HoI always joins Axis when Barbarossa starts, no matter what. It's probably hardcoded. So any event where you can decide if you want fight USSR or not got no sense - AI will always fight it anyway.
 
Originally posted by knott
:) You should know better. The Finns joined the axis to regain lost territories when Germany started Barbarossa, not exactly self-defense
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I know Axel Lindholm from a previous forum

he's pro nazi

anti communist

anti american.

Been banned from two other forums. One time for saying 9-11 was a good thing.

I wouldn't believe anything he says without alot of verification from non-bias sources.
 
Originally posted by Burris
I know Axel Lindholm from a previous forum

he's pro nazi

anti communist

anti american.

Been banned from two other forums. One time for saying 9-11 was a good thing.

I wouldn't believe anything he says without alot of verification from non-bias sources.
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PLEASE, don't start personal discusions here.
 
End of Winter War

I'd like to get some discussion on the triggers for the End of the Finnish Winter War event:


Code: 
event = { 
	id = 2627
	random = no
	country = SOV
	
	trigger = {
		
		OR = {
			AND = {
				control = { province = 787 data = SOV }
				control = { province = 706 data = SOV }
				control = { province = 705 data = SOV }
			}
			control = { province = 706 data = SOV } # Helsingfors
		}
	
		war = { country = FIN country = SOV }
		NOT = {
				alliance = { country = FIN country = GER }
				}
	}
 
Sweden:

4 juni 1942, Gunder Hägg makes a new world record on running an English Mile on 4,06,02
Dissent -2%

1943 5 may, the sub "Ulven" is found after 3 weeks searching, 33 men died.

1944 November 27, The passenger boat "Hansa" get destroyed by a mine outside Gotland
 
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Ok. About Finns and WW II. Here are some of my thoughts:

Winter War:
I have read and heard from several sources that Stalin wanted to end the Winter War after "only" 15 weeks because he was afraid that in the spring the soil would get so muddy that even if the USSR could have broken the Finnish defenses, their trucks and tanks would have been stuck in the mud prolonging the war further. The longer the war would take, the higher the risk of an Allied intervention.

Whether the Allied would have made an intervention or not didn't matter. KGB gave Stalin information that the French were already packing and the "Man of Steel" got cold feet. Maybe this could make a three-step event: 1) Does KGB warn Stalin or not? 2) How does Stalin react? 3) Does the Allied intervention actually take place?

Continuation War:
At school we were taught that USSR started the Continuation War unprovoked. Since that the story has changed, but many people still remember the version they heard at school.

First, in 1980's and early 1990's the "official" story was that Continuation War "simply had to happen". We were told that nothing could have been done to avoid it.

Nowadays it is a widely accepted fact that Finns started the war. The war was seen as justified because we only wanted to get back what was taken from us in Winter War. Finnish troops did, however, advance far beyond the pre-Winter War borders eventually.

As is widely known, Finns came pretty close to Leningrad during the Continuation War and were pressured by Germans to attack the city. This would probably have resulted in collapse of the Soviet defenses. Mannerheim refused to attack Leningrad (wisely thinking that we might have to live next to Russian even after the war and live with the consequences...).

Not quite as well known is the act that during the Russian revolution Mannerheim (as a young officer in the Czar's army) would have wanted to march into St. Petersburg to stop the revolution. That means somewhere along the road he had changed his mind. What if he wouldn't have? I'm not sure if there's an event to portray this choice. Maybe there should be?

Axis ot not?
The way the relationship between Finland and Germany during the Continuation War is portrayed has differed in games and books. Was Finland a minor Axis ally or not? I don't think so. One should always remember that even though the Finnish government was anti-communist, it was far from pro-nazi. Finns and Germans simply had a common enemy and the opportunity to gain help was used. Maybe if Germany had won the war, Finland might have slowly become a German ally or puppet. But during the war that was not the case.
 
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Continuation War...

I can only relate to the HoI part of your post, since the rest belongs rather to the History forum. HoI got limited ability to recreate complicated aspects of II WW politics, so probably all accepted, that Winter War is started in HoI by Soviets (as in reality) and Finn's alliance with Germans (or Continuation War - interesting term, BTW) is rough simulation of what really happened.

Originally posted by ravensuominen
Ok. About Finns and WW II. Here are some of my thoughts:

Winter War:
I have read and heard from several sources that Stalin wanted to end the Winter War after "only" 15 weeks because he was afraid that in the spring the soil would get so muddy that even if the USSR could have broken the Finnish defenses, their trucks and tanks would have been stuck in the mud prolonging the war further. The longer the war would take, the higher the risk of an Allied intervention.

Whether the Allied would have made an intervention or not didn't matter. KGB gave Stalin information that the French were already packing and the "Man of Steel" got cold feet. Maybe this could make a three-step event: 1) Does KGB warn Stalin or not? 2) How does Stalin react? 3) Does the Allied intervention actually take place?
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First of all - NKVD, not KGB. Minor detail, but hey, it's what CORE is all about. :D
Second - we already discussed Allied intervention possibility and so far all the attempts to this event chain were abandoned. Personally I don't belive that simple KGB warning WITHOUT support of facts would not make Soviets stop on their tracks. They recieved clear info about French and UK units ready to join intervetion, so they abandonned their original plan of adding FSSR to the Soviet Union.
If we want implement this in CORE, we should have make:
1) UK and France events "Intervene or not?"
2) If yes, then (after some time) check if they are able to send forces (I mean - if Germans not Fall Gelbed them already),
2A) If not, then "End of Winter War is sleeped" and Soviets continue original plan,
3) If yes, then SOV would get event with option to back off (and depending on the conqered provinces they would get current End of Winter War or Ahistorical End of Winter War (no gained ground, Finns are far away from Germans and not join Barbarossa).

Not sure if (3) is possible to do - in my experience Finland always joins war against USSR (it not, when it's SOV puppet). Looks like it's hardcoded. :(
 
Originally posted by Axel lindholm
Finland dd not start the Continuation War! :mad: Finland was at peace with the Soviets after the Winter War, when all of a sudden, Soviet bombers began bombing Helsinki and other cities. This brought Finland to war!:mad:
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Come on! Finland had already been tied to war. There where German armies in Finland and Finnish troops were ready to cross the border. Finland would have joined the war anyway.
 
a question about this event:

###############################################
# 1002023 - (DEN) We need Denmark torpedoboats (by Ghost_dk)
###############################################
event = {
id = 1002023
random = no
country = DEN

# triggered by GER 172104

name = "Rechnitzer resigns"
desc = "Rechnitzer argues that the German request for torpedo boats should be met. The Danish Navy Command sign a petition to have him removed from the Navy Command and the government agrees."
style = 0

action_a = {
name = "Rechnitzer resigns"
command = { } # temporary fix for CTD
# command = { type = sleepleader which = 9508 } # Rechnitzer
# command = { type = sleepminister which = 16009 } # Hjalmar Rechnitzer
}
}
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why remove the sleepleader/sleepminister???
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could i add it again???
 
Because of this...

19. 1941 CTD due to Danish event
Report by: HlvtnCndn Owner: Steel
Fixed in next release


Here's the comments from one player:

I did some testing on my own, and it's definitely just sleepminister causing the crash, but I can't find any problem in the Danish ministers file. I tried switching the minister it removes from 16009 to 16008, and it works fine, but it crashed when I tried 16010. Since 09 and 10 both also appear in the shadow cabinets, but 08 doesn't, I thought that might be the source of the
problem, so I gave the "shadow" versions of 09 new ID numbers, but the crash still occurred.

I then thought the problem might be with the replacement naval minister, but I tried appointing each of the possible candidates using "chiefofnavy" before the sleepminister command, but the crash still occurred with both. Very strange.
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So we need to fully understand problem and fix before re-enabling these event effects.
 
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