C.O.R.E HOI - Sweden, Dennmark, Finnland, Norway, Iceland

[Ghost_dk]

Danish events

Hi gang

Because of the problems with the danish neutrality agreement I am going to have another look at the danish events.

This is what i am planning on changing.

the puppeting will result in the danish armed forces to be detained in their bases(deleted)

This will solve the problem of danish exp. forces fighting for germany.

I will probably add some "army remains at bases" events every 2-3 months as a persistant event to make sure that any new builds are deleted as well.

the 1943 german take over of Holmen navy base will remain as a flavor event.

If the germans manage to get control of the navy then they get the units as it has been up until now.

Does this sound like a usable solution to all of you?

Ghost_dk

 

[Steel]

32-48 events just to remove Danish units? IMHO you are better off either stripping the IC or ignoring the exp. forces.

 

[Ghost_dk]

Originally posted by Steel
32-48 events just to remove Danish units? IMHO you are better off either stripping the IC or ignoring the exp. forces.

well I might do that but first im going to try and see if it is not possible to make 1 persistent event that triggers every 2 months if the trigger(denmark puppet of germany and event GER 172050)
are met. Do you know if that is possible?

Ghost_dk

 

[Steel]

Originally posted by Ghost_dk
well I might do that but first im going to try and see if it is not possible to make 1 persistent event that triggers every 2 months if the trigger(denmark puppet of germany and event GER 172050)
are met. Do you know if that is possible?

Ghost_dk

Persistent events don't work like that. A persistent event can be called more than once, but it does not trigger on it's own more than once.

 

[Generalisimo]

Originally posted by Steel
Persistent events don't work like that. A persistent event can be called more than once, but it does not trigger on it's own more than once.

Steel is right, you will need to create a loooot of events to represent that...

 

[Ghost_dk]

Originally posted by Generalisimo
Steel is right, you will need to create a loooot of events to represent that...

Ok, Thanks. I will strip the IC then.

Ghost_dk

 

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Re: UK involvement in Winter War

Originally posted by Copper Nicus
Im not sure if it was discussed already, but in 1940 there was a serious chance for conflict between Western Allies and USSR based on Soviet invasion on Finland.
How about to add this to CORE as an event? In case of prolonged war (3 months after the start of war) Allies would get 3 options:
a) Prepare to send them troops and supplies (flag, after 1 month game checks if Winter War is still on) - 2 random inf. divisions are deleted (for now) some resources and supplies are lost,
b) Limited involvement in war, some resources and supplies are lost,
c) Germany first!

FIN events (in case of b action):
- Western support for Finland (supplies and some inf and art techs),

If option "a" is chosen, then after 30 days game checks (first event), if Winter War is still on. If yes, then troops and supplies arrive to Finland (2 new inf. divisions, resources, techs) and SOV get the event to react (default option WAR, b option - ignore it, war limited to Finland, +5 dissent).
If Winter War ended during the offset period, then Allies get the event with their units and resources back.

If you find this scenario too dangerous (early war with USSR), then we could switch options in first event (Limited involvement as an "a" option).

If work on this even is going on, choosing option c ) should probably make Finland lean quite a bit toward fascism.. Commies attacking and democracies refusing aid... Would seem natural too

 

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Originally posted by Ghost_dk
Ok, Thanks. I will strip the IC then.

Ghost_dk

Makes me wonder if annexation of Denmark by Germany would have been way easier in the first place.. The option is there anyway, right?


*edit*

Another thought: There was some talk about a fascist Sweden earlier on this thread, and one thing about the territorial claims really struck out quite odd.. Whole Finland? No way that finns would have co-operated or done anything for the swedes.. other than rebelled, of course

Sweden could claim all it likes, it just wouldn't be at all historical to depict Finland as a national provinces of Sweden.

 

[Ghost_dk]

Originally posted by General FUp
Makes me wonder if annexation of Denmark by Germany would have been way easier in the first place.. The option is there anyway, right?

Well as a dane of course I have to disagree

the events as they are now gives aarhus and kolding to germany.

This can IMO be argued, but since the ai does'nt know how to use the military access correctly it is the best we can do and at the same time it gives some of the the danish IC to germany reflecting the number of danish factories manufacturing for germany. annexing would give them way more and thats not correct IMO.

During the german occupation of denmark a lot of political conflicts occured and it would simply be impossible to porait this propperly with Denmark being annexed completely.

I will find a workable solution without having to resort to complete annexation.

Ghost_dk

 

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Originally posted by Copper Nicus
No sense to quarrel - Finns in HoI always joins Axis when Barbarossa starts, no matter what. It's probably hardcoded. So any event where you can decide if you want fight USSR or not got no sense - AI will always fight it anyway.

I seem to keep dragging up old things.. Hope it doesn't matter too much..

Anyway, I wasn't too sure about this issue myself, so I checked it, and several sources say that Continuation War actually started after soviet initiative. They did bomb finnish airports, ships and towns on 25.6.1941. However we have to remember that at that time there was already german troops in Finland, and they had started their Barbarossa against the soviets. So pretty much it was quite straightforward thing.

And if the Continuation War really is hardcoded there isn't too much to speculate about what ifs in a game point of view. Although there would be pretty nice variables concerning Winter War and it's results to relations with SU and Germany and then the possibility of Continuation War.. But I won't get into that.. now

However, I have done some research on a few issues that might make pretty neat events and add flavour to the game when playing Finland. Naturally these things affect Sweden and other countries as well


( 1 ) The beginning of Winter War aka 'Mainila shots'
26.11.1939 Soldiers of the Red Army fired shots with five artillery pieces and two mortars at their own positions in village of Mainila, blaming finnish troops for the incident. Although marshal Mannerheim declares that there has been no finnish artillery closer than 50km of the border and that finnish troops were in church service at the time, 28.11.1939 Soviet Union denounces non-aggression pact from 1932. Two days later, Red Army begins it's attack against Finland.


( 2 ) Otto Wille Kuusinen and his (Terijoki-)governement
1.12.1939 Finnish communists ( they had fled to Soviet Union during and after the civil war in Finland in 1918 ) living in Moscow formed a governement for Finnish Democratic People's Republic. It was stationed in Terijoki. The goal of this governement was to create independent communist Finland that would function in the spirit of Marx-Leninism.

Not surprisingly, soviets supported this governement, and even signed a peace treaty with it during the beginning of december 1939, trying to make the war effort of finnish army and the real governement seem unjustified and unnecessary.

This governement was used mainly in propaganda, but also in the hopes that finnish workers would rebel. This hope was never to be realized, since Soviet threat onlu unified finnish people that civil war had divided.

When Finland and Soviet Union signed peace treaty on 12.3.1940, Terijoki-governement became obsolete in it's original purpose, but Kuusinen and a group of other members would continue their work in Karelian-Finnish Soviet Republic that was formed in late march.


( 3 ) Finnish war children to Sweden
When Winter War started, swedish people immediately voiced strong support for Finland: 'Finlands sak är vår!' 'Finnish cause is ours!' Swedish families volunteered to take care of finnish children without any compensation.

Finnish governement would have liked more direct and material support, and thus declined. Two prestigious women in the pro-Finland-society in Sweden however were not happy with this, and took the matter directly to marshal Mannerheim and minister Fagerholm, who both took a positive approach to the matter: the children were seen as a symbol of Nordic unity.

First warchildren were sent to Sweden already 15.12.1939 from Turku on a ship called 'Arcturus'. Soon train transportation via Haaparanta had to be started instead of shipping because soviet submarines ruled the seas.

Also danish families received finnish warchildren.

At first only children of wounded and fallen, re-building workers, and workers in general were sent. Later every child under 13-years could go.

Warchildren returned home after Winter War, but soon after Continuation War started the transportation to Sweden began again. During the wars a total of 62000 children were sent to Sweden, 4200 to Denmark and about 100 to Norway. On top of that, privately about 15000 children made the trip.

*Should probably increase IC as people can work more because they don't have to worry about and take care of their children anymore. Lower dissent too? Perhaps MP gains also?


( 4 ) Evacuation of Karelia and other lost areas
The civilians living in Karelia and other areas of battle did not remain there as they didn't want to live under soviet rule.

When Finland was forced to give land areas to Soviet Union, they were evacuated.

*In game this should be done at least in the event when finns give in to soviet demands and don't fight the Winter War. So no manpower gain for soviets from the conquered territories, and MP should be added to various areas in remaining Finland. Industries would remain.


( 5 ) Lotta-organization
The birth of Lotta-organization dates to early days of Finland's independence, when female-associations began to support voluntary national defence, Sojeluskunta-organization (home guard).

In 1930 the organization had 60000 members, and yearly gain was about 6%. However in 1944 the member count was as high as 242000 because of the war. 100000 men were freed from factory work and other duties because of these women, and about half of the freed men were sent to the front.

Women of Lotta-organization served in hospitals, offices, communications ( sighting enemy airplanes, operating switchboards, working as radio operators and also in weather service), they also operated searchlights. They collected funds and material for war effort, and made food for the soldiers, wounded and people working on fortifications.

Lotta-organization was closed on 23.11.1944 by finnish governement because of it's too-close relations with Suojeluskunta-organization.

*MP gain is quite obvious at least perhaps supplies too.


( 6 ) Summa ('Wonder of Summa')
12.-17.12.1939 Soviet forces began attack on finnish troops stationed in Summa-region, trying to break through to Viipuri. Finnish 5th Division faced the assault of several soviet divisions strengthened with armour support. 58 soviet tanks were destroyed, and the attack was halted.


( 7 ) Raate-road (at Suomussalmi)
26.12.1939-7.1.1940 was time for a battle where two soviet divisions was beaten and mainly destroyed. This was very famous victory, because photographs of the road packed with captured material and vehicles were seen everywhere.

*Supplies for Finland, perhaps give them a minimum strength motorized division?


( 8 ) Kollaa kestää! ('Kollaa stands firm!')
18.12.1939-End of Winter War. Finnish troops halted soviet advance at the Kollaa-river and held their ground for the rest of the Winter War despite being heavily outnumbered.

*Lower dissent because of propaganda value?


( 9 ) Motti-battles
Finnish troops encircled and destroyed several soviet units during the fighting. These were quite big successes also when considering the amount of material gained from these encirclements.

*Random events with supply gain for Finland


( 10 ) Tali-Ihantala ('Wonder of Ihantala')
22.6.1944-7.7.1944 On 22.6. soviet troops made probing attacks that were warded off. On 25. began the soviet assault that resulted in localized breakthroughs in Tali-area, which were partially countered with finnish armoured division commanded by General Lagus.

After this the focus of the battle moved to Ihantala-region. It was reported that by the end of june about 350 soviet tanks were destroyed.

The area of the battle was roughly 10km x 10km, and there was nearly 50000 finnish troops and 150000 soviet soldiers during different phases of the battle. It is the largest battle fought in nordic countries.

The battle was so crucial because of the on-going peace negotiations, that no ground was to be given to the soviets, so that they wouldn't have any additional leverage in the negotiations. Finnish losses were therefore high compared to "normal" casualties. 1101 finns died, 6264 wounded and 1096 went missing. Soviet losses were 4500-5500 dead and 13500-14500 wounded. In addition soviets lost all their armoured forces that they had on the Karelian Isthmus when their grand offensive began, totaling about 600 tanks.


( 11 ) Hitler visits Mannerheim on his 75th birthday
4.6.1942 was the birthday of marshal Mannerheim, and Adolf Hitler made a surprise visit to congratulate the marshal and discuss the situation in the war. Nice detail is that one of the wheels in the landing gear of Hitler's FW-200 Condor was burning when the plane stopped on the airport.

During this visit Mannerheim managed to parry German requests of formal alliance with his diplomacy skills and prestige without harming the relations.


( 12 ) Ryti - Ribbentrop-pact
26.6.1944 Finnish president Risto Ryti and german foreign minister Joachim Ribbentrop sign a deal, where Ryti gives personal guarantee that Finland will not seek separate peace with Soviet Union. Germany promises weapons and suplies to help in finnish war effort.

*Supplies and tech from Germany to Finland.

1.8.1944 President Ryti resigns from finnish presidency, thus making his personal guarantee void.

4.8.1944 Finnish parliament appoints marshal Mannerheim as finnish president.

8.8.1944 President Mannerheim nominates new governement, the goal of which is to seek peace with Soviet Union.

24.8.1944 Finnish parliament accepts the plan for peace and denounces Ryti - Ribbentrop-pact.

1.9.1944 Mannerheim suggests the ending of hostilities to Stalin.

2.9.1944 Finnish parliament accepts Soviet conditions for peace.

4.9.1944 07:00 Finnish army ceases battles, Soviets 07:00 on the following day.



Ghost_dk, Understood It's spice for C.O.R.E mod anyway

 

[Ghost_dk]

finish events

Hi G. FUp

Thanx for understanding.

i like a lot of you finish event ideas.

Do you know how to script them yourself or would you like me to help you with them?

Ghost_dk

 

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I have no idea how to script anything, so help is very much appreciated And if I can help this great mod with only giving ideas, even better

 

[Ghost_dk]

Originally posted by General FUp

( 1 ) The beginning of Winter War aka 'Mainila shots'
26.11.1939 Soldiers of the Red Army fired shots with five artillery pieces and two mortars at their own positions in village of Mainila, blaming finnish troops for the incident. Although marshal Mannerheim declares that there has been no finnish artillery closer than 50km of the border and that finnish troops were in church service at the time, 28.11.1939 Soviet Union denounces non-aggression pact from 1932. Two days later, Red Army begins it's attack against Finland.

I will check the triggers for the winter war and see if we can put someting like this in. Ill get back to you with what i find out.

Originally posted by General FUp

( 2 ) Otto Wille Kuusinen and his (Terijoki-)governement
1.12.1939 Finnish communists ( they had fled to Soviet Union during and after the civil war in Finland in 1918 ) living in Moscow formed a governement for Finnish Democratic People's Republic. It was stationed in Terijoki. The goal of this governement was to create independent communist Finland that would function in the spirit of Marx-Leninism.

Not surprisingly, soviets supported this governement, and even signed a peace treaty with it during the beginning of december 1939, trying to make the war effort of finnish army and the real governement seem unjustified and unnecessary.

This governement was used mainly in propaganda, but also in the hopes that finnish workers would rebel. This hope was never to be realized, since Soviet threat onlu unified finnish people that civil war had divided.

When Finland and Soviet Union signed peace treaty on 12.3.1940, Terijoki-governement became obsolete in it's original purpose, but Kuusinen and a group of other members would continue their work in Karelian-Finnish Soviet Republic that was formed in late march.

This event wont have much effect on anything but I will add it as a flavor event anyway, triggered by the winter war.

Originally posted by General FUp

( 3 ) Finnish war children to Sweden
When Winter War started, swedish people immediately voiced strong support for Finland: 'Finlands sak är vår!' 'Finnish cause is ours!' Swedish families volunteered to take care of finnish children without any compensation.

Finnish governement would have liked more direct and material support, and thus declined. Two prestigious women in the pro-Finland-society in Sweden however were not happy with this, and took the matter directly to marshal Mannerheim and minister Fagerholm, who both took a positive approach to the matter: the children were seen as a symbol of Nordic unity.

First warchildren were sent to Sweden already 15.12.1939 from Turku on a ship called 'Arcturus'. Soon train transportation via Haaparanta had to be started instead of shipping because soviet submarines ruled the seas.

Also danish families received finnish warchildren.

At first only children of wounded and fallen, re-building workers, and workers in general were sent. Later every child under 13-years could go.

Warchildren returned home after Winter War, but soon after Continuation War started the transportation to Sweden began again. During the wars a total of 62000 children were sent to Sweden, 4200 to Denmark and about 100 to Norway. On top of that, privately about 15000 children made the trip.

*Should probably increase IC as people can work more because they don't have to worry about and take care of their children anymore. Lower dissent too? Perhaps MP gains also?

I pressume the program didn't include a machines for children deal so I think the IC increase would probably be a little to much but if you can find any evidence that any nation sent machinery to Finland I will write up an event for that.

I will definitely go with the lower dissent(0nly -1 as people probably are not all that happy about giving away their children)
and maybe a 30 MP increase as well.

Originally posted by General FUp

( 4 ) Evacuation of Karelia and other lost areas
The civilians living in Karelia and other areas of battle did not remain there as they didn't want to live under soviet rule.

When Finland was forced to give land areas to Soviet Union, they were evacuated.

*In game this should be done at least in the event when finns give in to soviet demands and don't fight the Winter War. So no manpower gain for soviets from the conquered territories, and MP should be added to various areas in remaining Finland. Industries would remain..

I agree with your aproach for this one and will try to model it this way.

Originally posted by General FUp

( 5 ) Lotta-organization
The birth of Lotta-organization dates to early days of Finland's independence, when female-associations began to support voluntary national defence, Sojeluskunta-organization (home guard).

In 1930 the organization had 60000 members, and yearly gain was about 6%. However in 1944 the member count was as high as 242000 because of the war. 100000 men were freed from factory work and other duties because of these women, and about half of the freed men were sent to the front.

Women of Lotta-organization served in hospitals, offices, communications ( sighting enemy airplanes, operating switchboards, working as radio operators and also in weather service), they also operated searchlights. They collected funds and material for war effort, and made food for the soldiers, wounded and people working on fortifications.

Lotta-organization was closed on 23.11.1944 by finnish governement because of it's too-close relations with Suojeluskunta-organization.

*MP gain is quite obvious at least perhaps supplies too..

Ill probably make this a series of events firing each year with a total MP gain of 130

Originally posted by General FUp

( 6 ) Summa ('Wonder of Summa')
12.-17.12.1939 Soviet forces began attack on finnish troops stationed in Summa-region, trying to break through to Viipuri. Finnish 5th Division faced the assault of several soviet divisions strengthened with armour support. 58 soviet tanks were destroyed, and the attack was halted..

This one will probably be hard to make happen. Ideas anyone?

Originally posted by General FUp

( 7 ) Raate-road (at Suomussalmi)
26.12.1939-7.1.1940 was time for a battle where two soviet divisions was beaten and mainly destroyed. This was very famous victory, because photographs of the road packed with captured material and vehicles were seen everywhere.

*Supplies for Finland, perhaps give them a minimum strength motorized division?.

We can make this one the same way as the ComChi captured equipment events.

Originally posted by General FUp

( 8 ) Kollaa kestää! ('Kollaa stands firm!')
18.12.1939-End of Winter War. Finnish troops halted soviet advance at the Kollaa-river and held their ground for the rest of the Winter War despite being heavily outnumbered.

*Lower dissent because of propaganda value?.

the same as (6)

Originally posted by General FUp

( 9 ) Motti-battles
Finnish troops encircled and destroyed several soviet units during the fighting. These were quite big successes also when considering the amount of material gained from these encirclements.

*Random events with supply gain for Finland.

same as (7)

Originally posted by General FUp

( 10 ) Tali-Ihantala ('Wonder of Ihantala')
22.6.1944-7.7.1944 On 22.6. soviet troops made probing attacks that were warded off. On 25. began the soviet assault that resulted in localized breakthroughs in Tali-area, which were partially countered with finnish armoured division commanded by General Lagus.

After this the focus of the battle moved to Ihantala-region. It was reported that by the end of june about 350 soviet tanks were destroyed.

The area of the battle was roughly 10km x 10km, and there was nearly 50000 finnish troops and 150000 soviet soldiers during different phases of the battle. It is the largest battle fought in nordic countries.

The battle was so crucial because of the on-going peace negotiations, that no ground was to be given to the soviets, so that they wouldn't have any additional leverage in the negotiations. Finnish losses were therefore high compared to "normal" casualties. 1101 finns died, 6264 wounded and 1096 went missing. Soviet losses were 4500-5500 dead and 13500-14500 wounded. In addition soviets lost all their armoured forces that they had on the Karelian Isthmus when their grand offensive began, totaling about 600 tanks..

Same as (6)

Originally posted by General FUp

( 11 ) Hitler visits Mannerheim on his 75th birthday
4.6.1942 was the birthday of marshal Mannerheim, and Adolf Hitler made a surprise visit to congratulate the marshal and discuss the situation in the war. Nice detail is that one of the wheels in the landing gear of Hitler's FW-200 Condor was burning when the plane stopped on the airport.

During this visit Mannerheim managed to parry German requests of formal alliance with his diplomacy skills and prestige without harming the relations..

Maybe a action_b where Mannerheim doesnt manage to parry and finland joins if they have not allready.

Originally posted by General FUp

( 12 ) Ryti - Ribbentrop-pact
26.6.1944 Finnish president Risto Ryti and german foreign minister Joachim Ribbentrop sign a deal, where Ryti gives personal guarantee that Finland will not seek separate peace with Soviet Union. Germany promises weapons and suplies to help in finnish war effort.

*Supplies and tech from Germany to Finland.

1.8.1944 President Ryti resigns from finnish presidency, thus making his personal guarantee void.

4.8.1944 Finnish parliament appoints marshal Mannerheim as finnish president.

8.8.1944 President Mannerheim nominates new governement, the goal of which is to seek peace with Soviet Union.

24.8.1944 Finnish parliament accepts the plan for peace and denounces Ryti - Ribbentrop-pact.

1.9.1944 Mannerheim suggests the ending of hostilities to Stalin.

2.9.1944 Finnish parliament accepts Soviet conditions for peace.

4.9.1944 07:00 Finnish army ceases battles, Soviets 07:00 on the following day..

I dont know about this one. Anybody got an idea.



Any comments appreciated.

Ghost_dk

 

[brandnew70x7]

No. You CANNOT script battles.

 

[Generalisimo]

ok, some things i noticed from your post is that it is too much based on historical battles, and in HoI, we don't even know if they happen, maybe USSR decides to send marines or paratroopers, or whatever and the war last just 1 or 2 days...
maybe they even don't send tanks to those battles but an event triggers and tells you that you have lost X tanks...
however, some historical events looks good.

Originally posted by General FUp

( 4 ) Evacuation of Karelia and other lost areas
The civilians living in Karelia and other areas of battle did not remain there as they didn't want to live under soviet rule.

When Finland was forced to give land areas to Soviet Union, they were evacuated.

*In game this should be done at least in the event when finns give in to soviet demands and don't fight the Winter War. So no manpower gain for soviets from the conquered territories, and MP should be added to various areas in remaining Finland. Industries would remain..

be carefull with that, you DO NOT GAIN MP from provinces that are not "CORE" of your country, so you do not need to reduce MP from those provinces. Also, if you rise MP level in the remaining provinces it will create a mess if you don't lower it if you retake Karelia.

 

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Originally posted by Generalisimo
ok, some things i noticed from your post is that it is too much based on historical battles, and in HoI, we don't even know if they happen, maybe USSR decides to send marines or paratroopers, or whatever and the war last just 1 or 2 days...
maybe they even don't send tanks to those battles but an event triggers and tells you that you have lost X tanks...
however, some historical events looks good.


be carefull with that, you DO NOT GAIN MP from provinces that are not "CORE" of your country, so you do not need to reduce MP from those provinces. Also, if you rise MP level in the remaining provinces it will create a mess if you don't lower it if you retake Karelia.

I know that thing about historical battles, but I still think that 'motti'-battles should be in. Soviets didn't just make massed assaults with armies and army groups.. many of these smaller units were surrounded and defeated, and the captured equipment was then put to use on different side of the frontline It really was an important source of supplies for Finland, as official comments from that time point out. Events would probably be the only way to simulate this as the size of provinces in Finland doesn't permit encirclements...

When it comes to other historical battles, I can very well live without them.. I just like to mention them anyway since I'm pretty proud of those achievements

Tomorrow when I have time to finish a HUGE list of events that took place during the Winter War I will post it here.. unless some of you object to that

About the MP from Karelia.. Finland really needs it, it's the little things that count... if 1/10 of the population could be called a little thing..

 

[Ghost_dk]

Originally posted by Generalisimo
ok, some things i noticed from your post is that it is too much based on historical battles, and in HoI, we don't even know if they happen, maybe USSR decides to send marines or paratroopers, or whatever and the war last just 1 or 2 days...
maybe they even don't send tanks to those battles but an event triggers and tells you that you have lost X tanks...
however, some historical events looks good.


be carefull with that, you DO NOT GAIN MP from provinces that are not "CORE" of your country, so you do not need to reduce MP from those provinces. Also, if you rise MP level in the remaining provinces it will create a mess if you don't lower it if you retake Karelia.

After looking at the provinces lost it isnt really a problem since 2/3 provinces have 0 MP already and the last Viipori or somthing like that i think has only 1. I dont see any problem with moving that single MP point to the adjacent province(Helsinki).

Ghost_dk

 

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Sorry if this list is too messy and long..

Some more flavour for Finland and other countries as well. Have fun sorting it out...


2.12.1939 Swedish governement decides Sweden will not take part in defence of Åland or give other direct support to Finland

President Kyösti Kallio nominates Risto Ryti's (prime minister) governement. The minister of finance from former governement, Väinö Tanner will be foreign minister.

4.12.1939 Finnish embassador in Washington, Procopé relays a request by finnish prime minister Ryti that 60 million dollar loan be given to Finland

5.12.1939 Chile, Bolivia, Paraguay and Peru protest soviet attack against Finland

6.12.1939 Finland's independence day

80 famous persons in Sweden make an appeal to give aid to Finland

9.12.1939 first part of American-Finnish volunteers, about 100 mechanics, officers and pilots boards a ship bound for Finland in New York.

***Will give little MP to Finland when they arrive

12.12.1939 Finland buys 43 Brewster fighters from USA

***This is important thing for a small country like Finland

13.12.1939 US Governement denies credit for Finland for bying war material.

***Opportunity for alternate history? Depending on US relations with Soviet Union and so on..

14.12.1939 Finnish author F.E.Sillanpää receives Nobel-prize for literature

Famous American-Swedish actress Greta Garbo donates 5000$ for finnish aid fund.

Soviet Union is expelled from the League of Nations, the League also advices it's members to give all possible humanitarian and material aid to Finland

First foreign volunteers arrive to Finland

***Some MP, sadly there was no figures to get an idea of the amount...

15.12.1939 Despite the war Finland pays it war debts from WW1 to USA, exactly as originally planned

***Event with choices, would take away some supplies if Finland chooses to pay. Some gain for paying?

16.12.1939 Finnish HQ confirms sending fallen soldiers to their home area as official policy

Students in Paris demonstrate all day in support of Finland

18.12.1939 Princess Juliana and Prince Bernhard donate 1000 guldens to dutch Red Cross to send to Finland's Red Cross

***Don't have the rate from that year.. would it show or should smaller donations be bundled together?

19.12.1939 Master composer Jean Sibelius's appeal to american people is published in newspapers all over USA. He underlines that the fate of finnish people depends on the people itself, but mostly on actions of other peoples who value freedom.

20.12.1939 Ambulances donated by Sweden and Denmark head for Finland

22.12.1939 Foreign Ministry sends a telegraph to embassadors in London and Paris that Finland needs immediate assistance

***What if allies say yes?

First ambulance of swedish Red Cross arrives in Finland. The car has 150 beds and 5 surgeons, 2 special doctors and 10 nurses.

Argentine is first to give positive answer to request for help of Finland by the League of Nations

***Event for argentine to show support or not?

23.12.1939 Concerning the appeal by League of Nations for aiding Finland, Argentine, Ecuador, Haiti, Peru, South-American Union, Bolivia, Venezuela and Mexico have agreed to help.

Finnish heavy weight boxer living in USA, Gunnar Bärlund, wins Italo Golonello in a match and donates part of his reward money into collection for Finland

***Something to be bundled?

24.12.1939 First part of American-Finnish volunteers arrives in Tornio

In Vatican Pope Pius XII condemns soviet attack against Finland

25.12.1939 Finnish author living in Stockholm Hella Wuolijoki offers her assistance to reach negotiations with Moscow.

26.12.1939 Uruguay will give material aid to Finland

Also Mexico announces it will help Finland as much as country's funds permit

28.12.1939 In Stockholm Sweden the editor of a communist magazine 'Ny Dag' Fritjof Lager is sentenced for two months in prison for abusing freedom of print. The article which warranted his arrest was called 'Free, independent finnish people's republic'.

British newspapers in London The Times and Daily Telegraph praise Finland's resistance against overpowering enemy

29.12.1939 A national collection held in Sweden has received 800000 crowns worth of donations for Finland. The total gain of this collection will be almost 6 million crowns.

***Supplies?

Train operators in Stocholm donete one day's pay from december as a new year's gift for Finland

***Even more supplies?

30.12.1939 Equipment captured in Hulkonniemi-motti: 25 artillery pieces, 11 tanks, 150 trucks, 250 horses...

***Supplies and..?

31.12.1939 Unidentified persons raise Finland's flag into steamship Josef Stalin's mast in Amsterdam Holland.

***Just funny

Foreign minister Väinö Tanner gives an iterview to telegraph office of swedish newspapers and wellcomes swedish volunteers to Finland

1.1.1940 10 famous soviet emigrant-writers, among them Nobel-winning author Ivan Bunin publicly condemn soviet attack against Finland

3.1.1940 25000 backpacks filled with food and clothes have so far been collected in Norway to aid Finland.

***Event giving supplies to Finland from Norway? If Norway isn't at war, of course...

4.1.1940 Sweden denies the offers of western allies concerning both soldiers and weapons

Unknown danish businessman announces he will donate 50 trucks for Finland

***Supplies

5.1.1940 Soviet submarine Sts 311 sinks swedish ship Fenris

Soviet embassador in Stockholm Sweden, Aleksandra Kollontai issues a protest to swedish governement because of voluntary recruitment and other aid given to help Finland. She also protests anti-soviet writings in swedish press.

***Sweden might not be such a pussy as they were for real and get a bit mad..?

Soviet Union issues same kind of protest to norwegian governement also.

7.1.1940 Raate-road saldo of captured equipment: 43 tanks, 71 field- and AA-guns, 29 AT-guns, armoured cars, tractors, 260 trucks, 1170 horses, infantry guns, ammunition, medical and communications material

***Supplies and that 0-strength motorized division?

8.1.1940 Finland's foreign minister Tanner points out to US embassador Schoenfeld that Finland has captured more material from soviets than gotten from any friendly nation as aid.

'Detachment Sisu' consisting of foreign volunteers is formed at Lapua

9.1.1940 Canadian Red Cross sends 50000$ in aid for Finland

***More to the bundle?

Former US president Herbert Hoover sends fifth 100000$ cheque to Finland

***That ½ million dollars total, should be noted somehow, right?

The state of Nicaragua begins national collection to aid Finland

Soviet Union protests the swedish protest concerning the sinking of Fenris

Argentine sends 50000 tons of grain to Finland. Finland may pay back whenever it can.

***Obviously supplies

10.1.1940 German war correspondent Otto von Zwehl volunteers for service in finnish army. Hitler hears of this, and takes away his german citizenship and military rank.

11.1.1940 Germany states that no volunteers to help Finland may travel through Germany.

Germany also stops italian shipment of aid for Finland. Italian embassador protests this.

***Something here?

Finnish foreign minister Tanner sends a telegram to congratulate League of Nations on it's 20th birthday and also thanks for the aid that Finland has received. This telegram gets very much positive attention.

Prince of Lichtenstein Ferdinand has arrived in Finland and states he wishes to get to the front as a volunteer in finnish army

12.1.1940 Lentorykmentti (flight regiment) 19 consisting of swedish volunteers is in combat for the first time

13.1.1940 Professional boxer Gunnar Bärlund wins american Jim Thompson. Again part of the money raised in this event is donated to Finland

***To be bundled?

In Rio de Janeiro coffee farmers donate 60000 sacks of coffee to Finland

***Supplies again

14.1.1940 Soviet bomber bomb sities in western Finland. They also drop bombs on swedish coast on Gulf of Bothnia

***Another chance for Sweden to act

An ambulance donated by french Red Cross arrives in Finland with 4 nurses

15.1.1940 Author Selma Lagerlöf donates her Nobel- gold medal and gold medal received from Swedish academy in collection for Finland

***Another small donation

16.1.1940 US president Franklin D. Roosevelt states that Finland could be given civilian credit, which would not compromise US neutrality.

Association of danish manufacturers sends a railroad car full of tinned good into Finland

***Supplies

Swiss union of doctors announces it will send a group of volunteers into Finland

17.1.1940 Norwegian fruit stores have donated today 6 railroad cars (50 tonnes) full of apples for Finland.

***Supplies

Author F.E.Sillanpää speaks to swedish people about finnish cause in meeting in Upsala.

18.1.1940 Hungarian 1937 Nobel-prize winner in medicine Albert Szent-Györgyi donates his Nobel-medal for Finland

***Bundled...

19.1.1940 Sweden gives two F. K 52 recon planes to Finland

***Any idea?

Swedish industries and business-life have so far collected 62 million crowns to aid Finland

***Even if not dollars, it's a notable sum

20.1.1940 58 american finnish volunteers arrive in Oulu

***Extremely crappy MP?

22.1.1940 Norwegian backpack collection reaches 50000 mark

***Guess what.. supplies!

Finland announces it will accept foreign volunteers to fight in finnish army

23.1.1940 Author F.E.Sillanpää donates his Nobel- gold medal for finnish defence

***For the bundle. Nobel-medals could be made their own event?

24.1.1940 A horse-drawn ambulance from swedish Red Star organization leaves from Stockholm on it's way to Finland

25.1.1940 British collection for Finland has gotten already over 100000£ in donations

***Supplies

Author Sigrid Undset donates her 1928 Nobel- gold medal for Finland

***Something more to the bundle

French Academy extends it's warm sympathies for Finland

26.1.1940 US president Franklin D. Roosevelt announces that every american who joins the army of a nation at war losese his citizenship. USA however doesn't regard Finland as a nation at war since no formal declaration of war was given. American volunteers in finnish army won't thus lose their citizenship.

28.1.1940 Famous french general Clément Grandcourt arrives in Helsinki to join finnish army as volunteer.

***A leader?

29.1.1940 Tickets for a bandy match between Sweden and Finland held in support of finnish war effort have been sold out. King of Sweden Gustav V has also bought a ticket

30.1.1940 Famous spanish fighter pilot Nicolas Beries is under way to help Finland

Social minister Fagerholm is in Norway and appeals to get civilian workers to Finland. A group of metal workers have already volunteered.

***Something here perhaps...

31.1.1940 Another ambulance leaves from Stockholm for Finland

A ship transporting children from Finland to Sweden is attacked by soviet submarine.

South-African winegrowers donate 14000 liters of wine and 7000 liters of Finland

***Could still be supplies..

1.2.1940 The board of swedish Red Cross advices the committee of international Red Cross to investigate the misstreatment of finnish civilians by soviet airforce and to consider potential counter action

Soviet news agency Itar Tass claims Sweden has released all criminals so that they could volunteer to help Finland

In London's St.Paul's cathedral is held a prayer service for Finland. The archbishop of Canterbury and embassadors of all nordic countries are present.

2.2.1940 Brasilia donates 10000 sacs of coffee to Finland

***Supplies

3.2.1940 Countess Eva Sparre, sister of marshal Mannerheim arrives in New York to keep a serie of lectures about Finland in USA

Famous finnish runners Paavo Nurmi and Taisto Mäki arrive in New York, thousands of people and numerous members of press are there to receive them

4.2.1940 Finnish troops destroy surrounded enemies at Lemetti. Captured equipment includes 32 tanks and 40 cars

Finnish runners Paavo Nurmi and Taisto Mäki take part in a flag raising ceremony in finnish pavilion at the New York World Fair

5.2.1940 Finnish Red Cross gets a donation from belgian Red Cross

***Supplies

US president Franklin D. Roosevelt meets finnish runners Paavo Nurmi and Taisto Mäki in Washington

6.2.1940 Enemy base is captured north-east of Lake Ladoga. Substantial amount of equipment is captured

7.2.1940 An office that arranges foreign labour is set up in Copenhagen Denmark. During first two days 1250 people volunteer to work in Finland.

8.2.1940 The national collection in Sweden has received about 15 million crowns

***Supplies

9.2.1940 Over 2% of swedish doctors are in Finland, and the collection of swedish doctor's association reaches 100000 crown mark

A priest in Gothenburg in Sweden has organized a collection to buy a fighter plane for Finland. 240000 crowns have been collected so far.

10000 danes have volunteered to work in Finland

***MP as finnish workers can go to war? Or IC raise?

Credit agreement to finance finnish war material purchases has been signed in London

10.2.1940 Danish colonel Tretow-Loof travels to Finland to lead a battalion made of danish volunteers

In New York 'Wings for Finland' association is established to get airplanes for Finland

11.2.1940 In Stockholm is held a bandy match between Finland and Sweden. The profit, 475000 crowns, is donated to Finland. Sweden wins 2-1.

***A nice flavour event with king of Sweden in it

12.2.1940 The so called "1 Dollar Collection" arranged by finnish committee has received over a million dollars

***Supplies once more..

Finland's foreign minister Tanner goes on a secret trip to Stockholm

Karl J. Ewerts, man in lead of swedish volunteer recruiting work returns from his trip to Karelian Isthmus and demands weapons, men and airplanes be sent to Finland

***Possible event?

13.2.1940 Fully equiped group of hungarian volunteers has traveled from France to Scandinavia to take part in defence of Finland

Foreign minister Tanner negotiates with swedish governement about "transfering swedish military units to Finland". Swedish governement's answer is no.

***Event with choices resulting in other events for various countries such as Soviet Union, Allies...

14.2.1940 British prime minister Chamberlain tells finnish embassador Gripenberg that Britain is ready to give 30 field guns and 30000 rounds of ammo to Finland

16.2.1940 Swedish construction workers donate 960000 crowns for finnish fighter plane fund

***Supplies?

Swedish newspaper Folkets Dagblad Politiken reveals finnish foreign minister Tanner's secret trip to Stockholm and Sweden's answer not to help Finland. Sweden's prime minister Hansson confirms the information acquired by the newspaper, and adds that Sweden's opinnion has not changed.

In Canada the provincial parlament of Toronto requests canadian governement permission to send an already established division of canadian volunteers to Finland

***Here's an excellent opportunity to re-write history. They did eventually agree to send those troops, but perhaps a bit earlier response..?

17.2.1940 158 american-finnish volunteers arrive in Oulu

***Veryvery little MP

Newspapers published in Stockholm criticize strongly prime minister Hansson and governement's view of not to offer help for Finland

In Moscow the reaction to news about Sweden's denial are taken with satisfaction, Finland's fate seems sealed.

Miss Sophie Mannerheim gives a lecture 'My Father and War' in Geneve. The presentation is a success

18.2.1940 9.2. encircled enemies in "Regiment-motti" are finally defeated. Finnish capture 35 artillery pieces, 25 trucks, 17 tractors, 200 other vehicles and 20 tanks

***Supplies and what else?

300 danish metal workers have traveled to Finland as volunteers to work

***Something here too..?

In France the chairman of the Garibaldi-league general Marabini is recruiting Garibaldi legionaires as volunteers to Finland

19.2.1940 King of Sweden Gustav V calls swedish governement because of the stir caused by Tanner's trip to Stockholm. He then gives a statement that confirms that Sweden won't help Finland in it's fight against "terribly overpowering enemy"

In Budapest Hungary is held a high-class concert to aid finnish Red Cross

20.2.1940 Svenska Frivilligkåren that consists of swedish volunteers is added to finnish field army. 8300 men served in that unit.

***That's MP, right?

In Sweden the national collection and women's fighter plane fund are gaining donations at good speed

21.2.1940 7 soviet planes bomb Pajala in northern Sweden, 9 km from finnish border. Quarter of the village burns, but miraculously there is no casualties. Swedish governement issues a protest to Soviet Union.

***Sweden might actually DO something...

Despite the war, US export to Soviet Union continues. During last 5 months 90% of the deals have been military equipment, totalling 35 million dollars.

22.2.1940 Sweden is afraid giving military aid to Finland will get Sweden into world war. 1st chamber (?) accepts current policy towards Finland, but encourages people to give all voluntary help possible.

The number of british volunteers has increased when british governement announces that men 27-years old and older may leave to military service in Finland

23.2.1940 Finnish governement receives soviet demands for peace. Finland also receives information that Sweden has denied the passage of western allies' troops to Finland

Official soviet news agency TASS denies information about bombings conducted by soviet planes as "untruthful an malicious accusations"

24.2.1940 Finnish troops defeat encircled enemies at Reuhkavaara. They capture 2 tanks, 4 cars and over 200 hand guns

***Supplies

The exhibition of captured equipment in fair hall in Helsinki is a success. During first week 13000 people have visited it.

In Copenhagen foreign ministers of Sweden, Denmark and Norway hold a meeting. They make unified statement that Nordic countries won't give military aid to Finland and won't allow the passage of foreign troops through their territory.

British embassador states that western allies are ready to send 20000 soldiers to Finland on 15th of march

26.2.1940 British pilots fly 12 Bristol Blenheim bombers to Jukajärvi airfield in Juva.

***Something here as well?

27.2.1940 Finnish foreign minister Tanner negotiates all day with swedish prime minister Hansson in Stockholm. Sweden does not change it's opinnion, Finland won't be helped.

Tanner suggests a mutual defence alliance to stop soviet advance. He then negotiates with soviet embassador in Stockholm, but the soviets won't give better peace conditions.

***Another chance to alter history

28.2.1940 Tanner returns from Stockholm and declares that Finland has no other hope than accept soviet terms for peace.

Western allies promise 10000 soldiers in april. French embassador Magny advices Finland to make an appeal for help right away

Oy Karl Fazer Ab claims the Nobel-medal donated by author F.E.Sillanpää with 100000 marks and gives the medal back to the writer.

29.2.1940 Finnish governement decides to start peace negotiations fith Soviet Union. The vote goes 17-3.

In Ladoga-Karelia the so called General-motti at Lemetti is defeated. Finns capture 71 tanks, 268 cars and truckloads of weapons and ammunition. The man after whom the encirclement was named, brigadier Kondratjev with his staff is among the fallen in a desperate attempt to break out.

***Supplies and something motorized?

Finland issues a protest to League of Nations about soviet attacks on finnish civilians

1.3.1940 Western allies inform they will send 50000 men and airforce if Finland issues a formal request for help before 5th of march.

Finland delays answer to Soviet Union about peace conditions

Foreign minister Tanner gives an interview to newspaper Dagens Nyheter. He emphasizes the importance of foreign aid and Finland's readiness to negotiate peace.

In Sweden 1500 golden rings have been collected to support Finland

***To the bundle of joy?

2.3.1940 Allies request permission to transport troops through Norway and Sweden to help Finland. Norway and Sweden denay the request.

Battalion of hungarian volunteers arrives in Finland

***MP

The office of canadian prime minister informs that there is no legal obstacles for canadian soldiers to fight in Finland. First volunteers embark on a journey to Finland in Ottawa.

***As mentioned earlier, but could the canucks think about it a bit faster?

Swedish foreign minister Günther delays finnish response to Soviet Union

3.3.1940 Tanner calls Günther that Finland is ready for negotiations if Soviet Union won't require that Viipuri and Sortavala be ceded also. Tanner once more suggests defensive alliance with Sweden. Swedish foreign minister doesn't think such an alliance is a realistic option.

4.3.1940 Military leadership in Leningrad denies the bombing of finnish cities and accuses Finland for provocation.

5.3.1940 Request to western allies must be issued today

Moscow announces it will not budge from original demands, Viipuri and Sortavala must also be ceded. Finnish governement accepts soviet demands as the base for peace negotiations.

French ambulance arrives in Finland

Soviet governement issues an apology to Sweden because of the bombing (in Pajala?)

6.3.1940 Foreign minister Tanner request more time before the final request for help from western allies must be given. Date is set at 12th of march

Soviet Union announces it will agree to start peace negotiations with Finland in Moscow, but won't agree to armistice before negotiations start.

Delegation led by prime minister Risto Ryti leaves for Moscow via Stockholm in the evening. Delegation also includes Paasikivi, Walden and Voionmaa.

7.3.1940 Regiment of soviet army conquers defensive positions at Nautsi. The only building that was in Nautsi was reported with grandeur in military reports of Soviet Union as the "town of Nautsi"

British volunteers pledge allegiance to colonel Kermit Roosevelt in Finnish Aid office in London

8.3.1940 Once more marshal Mannerheim suggests accepting offers of help from western allies. Tanner thinks the request might break peace negotiations in Moscow.

At 16:00 Finnish delegation meets soviet counterpart. Soviet delegation includes Molotov, Zdanov and general Vasilevski. Finnish wish of getting to negotiate with Stalin doesn't come true. First negotiations start at 19:00

9.3.1940 Deteriorating situation at the front forces Mannerheim to support view of accepting soviet terms.

10.3.1940 Former finnish president P.E.Svinhufvud is in Germany trying to negotiate for Finland, but he doesn't manage to meet leaders of Germany

Another meeting at the peace talks in Moscow. Finnish delegation tries to negotiate less harsh terms.

11.3.1940 Soviets break into suburbs of Viipuri.

For the first time finnish press publishes news that there are peace talks going on in Moscow

In finnish parliament the committee for foreign affairs has a vote on accepting soviet terms for peace. The terms are accepted with votes going 13-4. News about the vote leaks and is published by swedish afternoon papers.

In the evening there is third meeting in Moscow. Soviets know about the vote, so they will not agree to a compromise

Italian volunteer pilot Diego Manzochi is killed. In december he flew a Fiat-fighter into Finland.

12.3.1940 Finnish president Kyösti Kallio signs open authorization for finnish delegation in Moscow. While signing he says, "This is the most dreadful document I have ever signed. Let my hand that is forced to sign this paper wither". Half a year later that hand paralyzed.

***Here's some definite flavour!

Sweden announces it will agree to start negotiations about defensive alliance with Finland. Finnish foreign minister Tanner wishes that in the news it would be said that the matter is "to be considered shortly". Sweden removes word 'shortly' from it's announcement.

Delegations in Moscow meet twice but soviet terms won't change.

13.3.1940 Peace treaty is signed in Moscow 01:00 finnish time. Peace will begin 11:00.

Foreign minister Tanner addresses finnish people in a radio speech. He explains details of the treaty and reasons for peace. He praises the firmness of finnish army and people at home. He then criticized nordic neighbours who pleading neutrality have rejected every request for aid and even prevented western allies from helping Finland. Without help Finland could not have gone on fighting. Despite the hardness of the terms and the painful territorial losses he states that Finland succeeded in the most important mission, which was to remain independent.




27.8.1940 President Kallio has a severe stroke which shatters his health.

27.11.1940 President Kallio resigns refering to issues with his health. Unanimous parliament chooses Risto Ryti as his follower and Kallio prepares to leave to his farm in Nivala to recuperate and rest. However his weakened heart coudn't take the emotional farewell ceremonies. At the Helsinki railway station just prior to boarding the train, in front of the guard of honour while 'Porilaisten Marssi' was being played, he collapsed onto marshal Mannerheim's arms and died. It was the most memorable death in finnish history.

***If it's possible to link music to events, this one should come with 'Porilaisten Marssi'



If nothing else, you have some nice Winter War trivia here

 

[Ghost_dk]

Originally posted by Generalisimo
ok, some things i noticed from your post is that it is too much based on historical battles, and in HoI, we don't even know if they happen, maybe USSR decides to send marines or paratroopers, or whatever and the war last just 1 or 2 days...
maybe they even don't send tanks to those battles but an event triggers and tells you that you have lost X tanks...
however, some historical events looks good.


be carefull with that, you DO NOT GAIN MP from provinces that are not "CORE" of your country, so you do not need to reduce MP from those provinces. Also, if you rise MP level in the remaining provinces it will create a mess if you don't lower it if you retake Karelia.

Oh by the way. I think you do get a low amount of MP gain from non-core provinces. Why else have the Man of the People security minister rise this amount by 10%

Ghost_dk

 

[Ghost_dk]

General FUp

Im going to take a look at your 21 print pages of suggestions some time over the weekend.

Oh and Generalisimo.

You better start reserving ID's

Ghost_dk