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Welcome, @TheExecuter! Very glad to hear your thoughts on the first chapter.

Fully feel you on the urge to write for pleasure again. Been there over last summer.

I've been looking for a Vic2 AAR to read, as it is my absolute favorite Paradox game to enjoy.
Little did I know, of course, that what I thought would be a fun project to keep me entertained in between my second and third years of undergrad would see me into the second half of my twenties.

Hope you enjoy as and when you read along! Look forward to hearing any thoughts you have as you go. :)

In fact, my goal once I complete the volumes of Last Mission...is to start a new story based on an idea for playing Qing in Vic2.
That would be great. We need more life in the Vicky forums. It's hardly encouraging when one of the game's most active AARs is updated about half as often as the 'Current Prime Minister' section of the UK's wikipedia page…

Heh.

This whole chapter seems to me one long endless and desperate attempt to rationalize how Marxism and it's thought processes are different than the more fundamental theories of value exchanges and personal ambitions...and yet the observations of history show that the organization of markets and governments do not really stray too far from fundamental truths about how value and power function in our world.

It's almost protesting too much that reality doesn't bend to the will of the ideology.

Younger me would debate this whole passage point by point. Older me smiles at it and wonders when or if the author (the fictional one, not DensleyBlair) will get smacked in the face with reality.
It's a funny thing going back and re-reading this! Thanks for prompting me to take another look. I think that was the year I discovered post-structuralism. A more innocent age :D

I'd always been slightly afraid to confront the Thompson chapter again, remembering it to be a bit of an off putting start. It's certainly very specialist. But the thesis is an intriguing start, I think: none of this was pre-ordained, we've been in a state of complacency for decades, how do we wake people out of it? I'm a bit surprised (in a good way) to see how much of what I've been writing in the latest chapter still fits into the basic outline. Reassuringly sound continuity, evidently.

As for getting smacked in the face by reality… keep reading ;)

Or, in other words, desperately try to breathe life into old ideas that have already been rejected by the people!

:)
Desperately trying to breathe life into old ideas? That's true. Rejected by the people? Don't count your chickens just yet ;)
 
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Given their OTL politics, I can see a very left-wing series of states coming into being, if not syndicalist/socialist.
That feels possible. Especially now that the world seems to have given up trying to fight the Cold War. American meddling in Europe is on its last legs, and while they go back to playing around in Asia the Europeans can start talking to each other as sensible grown ups.

The only thing really holding Eurosyn back now is the economic friction between France and Germany. If they can get a coal and steel agreement, the whole thing takes off.
I'm mildly terrified of actually having to confront what's going on in France. I think I last left it at 'Algeria has prompted some soul searching', and taken it as read that they've been muddling on in their combative socialist way ever since.

_________

EDIT: We've hit a new page, so here's the customary NEW CHAPTER AT THE END OF PAGE 83! sign for those yet to see this landmark event
 
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Have finished the first page.

I love the slow buildup of the strike and its militancy. I also really love the historical "artifacts" like those below:
Q1. Outline the recommendations of the Samuel Report (March 1926), and describe the main objections raised against it by A. J. Cook and the Triple Alliance. Explain briefly the consequences of the report for both the government and the leadership of the TUC.
Raymond Williams (b. 1921) is a Welsh Marxist theorist whose work deals primarily with the relationships between language, culture and society. He is currently a Professor of Drama at the University of Manchester, where he is also director of the Centre for Adult Education. Reproduced above is the preface from his latest book, The Language of the Revolution: Key Texts in the Formation of the Commonwealth (London, 1966).
 
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Its job would be the preservation of order and the infrastructure of the British state in the event of direct strike action, including duties such as manning transport systems and even keeping open the collieries.

And here is where my finance / economics brain starts reading between the lines...if the risk of Collier closure is a problem...why are prices for coal so low?

Could it be that the government has been continuing price controls post-war in an effort to save tax dollars?

If that is the case...then lowering wages and increasing working hours does literally nothing but make rich people more comfortable...which is why the strike probably happens.

Of course, the counter-revolution also had use of a full arsenal of rhetorical and linguistic tools. Most telling surely are the repeated entreaties made to legal precedent and the opinion of the courts

As if the law is more important than right and wrong...

Many of the original motivations that compelled working men and women to take up the struggle for their existence almost forty years ago have been obscured by the passage of time.

Indeed, I bet even at the time there were attempts to obscure the reasons why the struggle happened.

It sounds like those in power want to pretend that the market is forcing their hand...while in reality it is their own attempts to distort the market that is driving events...

How pervasive is the lies of those in power...a truth that holds even today.
 
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I think then a lot of us realised that the only way forward was with the troublemakers, because the government certainly weren’t going to give us anything. That was when we saw the battle ahead– I did, certainly.

This is a sobering moment...because you basically abandon faith in the rules and systems, and start looking for opportunities...which will lead to really violent things...

It was not like anything I’d known, though I spoke to one man – a furniture maker, I think, from the East End – who said that he’d felt all of this before, in 1917. ‘This is a conference for action,’ he said. ‘Keep your head until the talking’s done, and then we’ll see where we’re at.’

Wise man.

Talk is cheap...but talk don't win freedom from oppression...

After the first few weeks it was only really the hardliners who stayed on, those who really were convinced they were fighting some sort of counter-revolutionary war.

Because they WERE fighting a counter-revolutionary war...

6 workers died on the picket that day. 18 more died in the following days of injuries sustained at the hands of the special constables. Many more were injured and, thank goodness, nursed back to health. I treated some of them.

:'(

Having lived in a company town as a child...and heard the stories of my ancestors on the picket lines and in company housing...yeah, this hits hard.
 
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Too embarrassed to admit what had happened, the cards were sold anyway in the hope that, like the photographers, visiting tourists wouldn’t notice the error.

Too embarrassed? Or was that the cover for someone else who wanted the optics...

In the aftermath of Red Wadham, the embarrassed college faculty made numerous attempts to identify the perpetrators. They were all unsuccessful – sabotaged in all likelihood by then-dean of college Maurice Bowra, a fellow-traveller with a penchant for witty mockeries of authority.

Someone like the dean...

The next morning, prime minister Stanley Baldwin expressed his profound regret for the deaths of the dockers but made little firm commitment to action.

Oops.

The historical irony of the situation is hard to ignore. Having set the conditions for an over-inflated sterling earlier in the decade, tethering the currency to the gold standard in an effort to peg its value to that of the dollar, Churchill’s time as chancellor had been acutely damaging to the situation of the working class. The over-inflation of sterling played a key rôle in the gradual decrease of miners’ wages between 1920 and 1927. It was this deflation that sparked the anger amongst the working class that fed directly into the appetite for a General Strike. His work in forming the OMS in the lead up to 1927 was, arguably, in many ways an attack on the fruits of his own labour.

Studying the decline and failure of British Empire finance and it's resulting impacts on government choices and the resulting rise in exploitation, oppression, and resistance...ultimately leading to the dissolution of the empire and the supplanting of British dominance with American would be a fascinating study...which would be panned by literally all of the wealthy elite.

In short, most of Britain's financial problems post world war 1 are entirely the fault of her leadership squandering advantages for short term profits and ephemeral gains.

The party position was echoed by mainstream union leadership. Walter Citrine and Ernest Bevin, general secretaries of the Trades Union Congress and the Transport and General Workers’ Union, respectively, joined much of the parliamentary Labour Party in regretting the strike. After Black Thursday, these men felt that their reasons for opposing industrial action had been vindicated: no good would come to the working man by choosing the path of action.

Cowards...already being eclipsed by the events.

In practice, this meant being forced to quietly forfeit any reluctance towards recruiting Fascisti. As much as it marks a turning point in the working-class conception of the strike as something approaching a struggle against the British state, so too does it mark a turning point in the composition of the effort against the strike movement.

Consequences. Rather than adapt and adjust...the government doubles down...

until the election of “a ministry not inherently opposed to the very lives of the working people it claims to represent and protect”.

Even here, there is an out for Baldwin...provide ACTUAL reform, and things won't get bad...

But, like so many Victoria 2 players, reforms are somehow construed as 'bad'.

I really need to write the Qing Vic2 AAR idea. I'm hoping to write a narrative / gameplay guide blend on how to maintain a stable state.

Baldwin, wrong-footed by events within the TUC, denounced the strike and quickly began proceedings for an injunction against the organisation to sequester its assets in an attempt to force the strikers back to work.

LOL

One often meets his destiny on the road to avoid it...

Major Rudd-Gore disobeyed the order, leading his company to Wapping Dock with the aim of cutting off the routes of escape for fleeing dockers. At 10:17am, troops in Major Rudd-Gore’s company fired into a crowd of docks running to safety across Wapping Basin, killing 12 and injuring 16. Hearing gunshots and believing the order to open fire to have been given, troops back at Albert Dock opened fire at 10:19am, killing 14. At 10:23am, Colonel Leeson gave the final order to cease fire and repeated that fleeing dockers were not to be chased down. Of those who were unable to escape that day, 27 were killed and 35 more were seriously injured. Three died of their injuries in the following days, and an unknown number of those arrested – over 500 – were abused in custody

:'(

Inevitable consequences. Those who don't want reform will use violence...and violence will beget more violence.
 
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Continuing my reading:
Christopher Grieve, his name was. Think he became a writer himself in the end. Maybe you know him?”
I feel like he will be important later.

I really liked this documentary style chapter. It had a strong voice.
After Black Thursday, enthusiasm for the volunteer cause lost significant momentum and a large number of people resigned their commissions as special constables in discomfort at being co-opted into what now appeared to be a paramilitary organisation. While many stayed on in ‘civilian’ strike-breaking rôles – driving buses, delivering food and the like – the government found itself increasingly reliant on hardline counter-revolutionary volunteers to staff the policing department of the OMS.
Interesting to see this radical change in the OMS. And as it becomes more radical, the strike grows beyond the initial coal issue and into a wider struggle against the government.
 
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MacDonald’s preoccupation with success in the public imagination and at the ballot box had let bad faith creep into his dealings with the unions, and he made little effort from the beginning to disguise his disdain for “aggressive” strike action.

Incompetence.

The far better play is to let the pressure pile up on the Conservatives, and then use that pressure to achieve reforms as a way to defuse things when the election is won.

Preemptively communicating disdain for reforms is just...laughably naive.

The Liberal parties, all but irrelevant, took less than 2 million votes between them.

Oh man, that's not good at all for stability. Part of me wonders why this is...and how it came about. There are some root causes behind this symptom that needs addressing...
 
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“Reports now confirm what employers have been suggesting for the past week”, MacDonald boasted in the House of Commons on April 12th, 1928, “the strike effort is waning and the working men of this country are gradually being drawn back to work by the promise of the protection of a Labour government.”

Astonishingly incompetent messaging.

Don't make enemies to no purpose.

Alonzo Swales, the veteran left-wing unionist by then chairman of the TUC’s Special Committee on Industrial Action, denounced the Labour government’s plan to help the workers in memorable terms: “it is not with scraps of paper but through organised struggle that the workers of Britain will win assurances of their dignity.”

Indeed. Revolutionary action is now out of the bag. Trying to solve revolutionary issues with bureaucratic methods almost never works.

The bureaucratic system itself resists the change too effectively.

The goal was significantly increased production and a “buoyant” home market insulated from cheap, foreign competition.

This seems to ignore the realities of not being able to create value from nothing...

Doing so will create significant challenges for the Exchequer, which is likely why it was shot down so quickly.

It's not that doing it is impossible...it's that doing it requires a huge amount of change in how the currency is managed..and involves new winners and losers. This is something that would be unlikely to be even considered without a revolutionary change in the levers of power.

Plus, it creates problems of its own...
 
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I need to reread all this at some point.
 
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Thank you for the fascinating commentary, @TheExecuter and @jak7139. I've not revisited a lot of the oldest chapters in some while – probably not since @Bullfilter went back and commented on them as he caught up the other year. It's nice for me to be reminded of where we've come from (not to mention judge how consistent I was able to keep things…)

Have finished the first page.

I love the slow buildup of the strike and its militancy. I also really love the historical "artifacts" like those below:
Welcome! Glad you're enjoying what you've read so far, Jak.

Hope you're not regretting the resolution you made over in the bAAR! :D

I feel like he will be important later.

I really liked this documentary style chapter. It had a strong voice.
You know, I don't think I ever did reuse Grieve, actually. Mostly when I do that sort of thing they do pop up again – but in this case I think it was a nod to the fact that in our timeline he found some notoriety as the poet Hugh MacDiarmid. Quite an obscure reference even to me now, mind.

Incompetence.
Something, alas, in ready supply in Britain throughout the interwar years. Possibly until our own time just about the lowest period since the dawn of the last century in terms of being ruled by total nonentities. (Or perhaps I'm just in a provocative mood)

Oh man, that's not good at all for stability. Part of me wonders why this is...and how it came about. There are some root causes behind this symptom that needs addressing...
There's a very controversial (ie flawed) but very influential book you may have heard of called The Strange Death of Liberal England by George Dangerfield, which tries to drive at the problem you allude to. I'm not a specialist on this period of the twentieth century in Britain by any means (as you'll probably appreciate when you eventually get there, I'm much more at home in the mid-century), but my own hunch is that the war was more disastrous than anyone could really grapple with and we lacked anyone near power who really wanted to confront this fact head on.

I suspect @TheButterflyComposer might have a more informed take.

Fertile ground, in any case, for charismatic strongmen to cultivate their ambitions…

I need to reread all this at some point.
Yes, me too. Would be good to get a sense of where the gaps are. From memory, the Forties just sort of whiz by…
 
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There's a very controversial (ie flawed) but very influential book you may have heard of called The Strange Death of Liberal England by George Dangerfield, which tries to drive at the problem you allude to. I'm not a specialist on this period of the twentieth century in Britain by any means (as you'll probably appreciate when you eventually get there, I'm much more at home in the mid-century), but my own hunch is that the war was more disastrous than anyone could really grapple with and we lacked anyone near power who really wanted to confront this fact head on.

Back last year I powered through a summary of the Royal Navy history in the Interwar Years, authored by the official historian of the Navy (and thus an active officer and therefore biased in the expected ways).

What struck me was the continual refusal to acknowledge reality and the changed circumstances...and a determination to just keep muddling onward accepting ludicrous goals and policies and then bitching about how they were impossible to meet with the extremely limited resources at hand.

But also steadfastly refusing to take action against serious known issues even if solutions were obvious.

For example, the ludicrous position of pay for the non-officer ranks being ridiculously low plus no consideration for marriages or families...and the admirals accept this because they don't have the money...but then bitch about how they can't retain talent...

But heaven forfend that they actually grow a spine and raise these issues forcefully in cabinet.

It was so...depressing watching the same arguments circle the Admiralty year after year. Some of the chapters were IDENTICALLY TITLED, with the exception of the year.
 
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For example, the ludicrous position of pay for the non-officer ranks being ridiculously low plus no consideration for marriages or families...and the admirals accept this because they don't have the money...but then bitch about how they can't retain talent...
This issue of low pay for the ranks had an amusing consequence during the next war when the US personnel came over to Britain. GIs had to be reminded in their 'Instructions for American Servicemen in Britain' guides that, even if they received lots of flattering attention in pubs and clubs because of their spare cash, under no circumstances should they take this as license to steal their British counterparts' girlfriends as this would be extremely bad for Allied relations.

You will naturally be interested in getting to know your opposite number, the British soldier, the “Tommy” you have heard and read about. You can understand that two actions on your part will slow up the friendship - swiping his girl, and not appreciating what his army has been up against. Yes, and rubbing it in that you are better paid than he is.
 
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It is hard to qualify the arrival of the ideas of Oswald Mosley into the British political arena in the period surrounding the General Strike without descending into crude panegyric; so remarkable was the programme being espoused by this singular figure within the Labour Party that it is hard to resist the myth, perpetuated by countless articles in periodicals such as Action and the like, that Mosley appeared fully formed, ‘as if with the express intention of having created a man designed in every way to lead the charge against the troubles of that grave moment.’

The myth is almost certainly an apt description of something like this...

who seek to recast the Mosleyite phenomenon within strictly Marxian terms

Ugh. I really dislike folks who do this consistently. :)

The litany of world history tends in character towards an ever-increasing exposé of the mistakes of “great men”. Mosley, alongside perhaps Lenin and Lloyd George, stands as a rare exception to this assessment.

LOL

Am I supposed to take this seriously?

Lenin made many mistakes that led to horrific outcomes. So too Lloyd George. The idea that these men stand as 'rare exceptions' is laughable to me.

It called instead for a socialism built upon “the conscious control and direction of human resources for human needs”, overseen not by wholesale state apparatus but through a developed system of worker control that harked back to the guild socialism of Morris and the thinkers of the Arts and Crafts movement seventy years before.

So...how did it avoid the issues experienced by the Soviets in the early 1920s? We rightly decry the small minded and selfish views of the industry owners...but do not forget that the workers are also human and prone to small mindedness and selfish behavior. Merely switching from owner control to worker control doesn't actually solve the problem (which is that ALL impacted parties are not part of the guidance of the organization).

After all, Britain is hardly the same context as Russia.

I'd need a heck of a lot more than just 'syndicalism is good' to actually believe it would work...

‘Mr. Churchill's effort to base this gold standard upon pre-war parity with the dollar … has involved the policy of drastic deflation which since the war has immensely increased the burden of the National Debt, and has proportionately benefited every idle rentier at the expense of the worker by hand or brain in productive industry. … Faced with the alternative of saying good-bye to the gold standard and therefore to his own employment, or good-bye to other people's employment, Mr. Churchill characteristically selected the latter course. A further dose of deflation followed, and the result is faithfully reflected in the unemployment figures, precisely as we foretold.’

Ah yes...the pig headed insistence on pegging currencies to gold or other more stable forms of value...essentially just a hedge for rich people to protect themselves from the consequences of their bad bets.

Of course, allowing the state to move to fiat currency essentially allows the state to pay off bad bets by inflating the currency...which places the cost of bad bets on the poorest members of society...i.e., there is no such thing as a free lunch.

Hardly a brilliant solution to the problems post world war 1...maybe Mosley is proposing something different?

He was pre-occupied by the success had by the United States in maintaining a strong economy with limited reliance on overseas trade, and became convinced of the need for an “island economy”, i.e. the economy of Great Britain, to be self-sustaining.

Oh.

Oh no.

I struggle to imagine a Britain attempting autarky...how on earth do you expect the country to feed itself? Britain has been a net importer of foodstuffs for...a long, LONG time.

Would that change overnight without significant economic disruption?

“Revolution by Reason”

This is an oxymoron...if only because utilizing reason is usually only valued by the bureaucracy...not by the revolution.

Reason can underpin the context and causes of the revolution...but it is not why the revolution succeeds.

Claiming Mosley used reason to implement a revolution is another of those myths mentioned earlier. It's just not how revolutions actually work.

The crisis came in a lucky moment for them. Labour was in office, and had every resource of the State at its command. What happened? The great day dawned, and Labour resigned; cleared out just when they had the realisation of their greatest wish. What must we think of a Salvation Army which takes to its heels on the Day of Judgment?’

Heh.

This would be funny...

...but I'm watching it play out...AGAIN...in the world today.

Truly humanity is...something special.

The urgency of Mosleyism had outgrown its nursery. Its next steps would prove pivotal in the shaping of Britain for decades to come.

Oh no.

One hopes this doesn't bring into being some kind of utopia...because I struggle to see how it happens realistically.
 
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I suspect @TheButterflyComposer might have a more informed take.

We'll get to this in TBTM immediately post war, and probably some long 19th century chapters because, indeed, it was a strange death, especially given the huge majority it got several times before the end.

It also requires talking about the tory party and how whilst common perception is that the modern party began to be birthed during the Pitt administration and fully going by Peel, it had a big sea change in the first two decades of the 1900s which saw it become the tory/liberal party and dominate until 1945.

@El Pip no doubt will have much to say as well, given he is a grand liberal vampire of the 1890s.
 
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Doctrinaire socialism of the old school made only slight appeal to me, but socialism as I defined it a year later in the Birmingham proposals as ‘the conscious control and direction of human resources for human needs’, I could accept. This definition would still be acceptable to me with a slight change of emphasis: more reliance on general direction of the state rather than detailed control, and the substitution of purposes for needs in order to recognise that all achievement is the result only of intensive effort. The conscious direction of human resources for human purposes I should still regard as a good general principle.

Hmm.

Not sure how different this actually is from being carried along by capitalism...

...merely leaving who defines the control as ambiguous allows for anyone, including ownership, to have control.

This is a major problem I have with social politicians...I find most of their paragraphs of explanations to have so ambiguous a meaning as to be practically useless.

It's like they want the noise to drown out the reality.

but he did not survive the troubles of 1934, and with him the last memory of effective action from the original Labour Party probably went to its grave.

Literally did not survive? Or figuratively?

We shall have to see...how dark do things get?

;)
 
I’ll do some more fb/fb for your earlier comments later on, @TheExecuter, but I wanted to speak to these very apt remarks while they’re fresh in mind.

Not sure how different this actually is from being carried along by capitalism...

...merely leaving who defines the control as ambiguous allows for anyone, including ownership, to have control.
What you have hit upon here, my friend, is in fact the head of the nail.

I’ll let you read on a bit further to hear your thoughts, but this is by no means a straightforward case of socialist revolution.

This is a major problem I have with social politicians...I find most of their paragraphs of explanations to have so ambiguous a meaning as to be practically useless.

It's like they want the noise to drown out the reality.
Usually I am a big proponent of the old “do not ascribe to malice what may be explained by incompetence” school of life, but in the case of most politicians (and Mosley in particular) I tend to find the inverse is usually a good starting point.

As an aside, a lot of the irony of Echoes is centred around the juxtaposition of Mosley’s identity here and his biography and legacy in our own time. (Which I know @filcat has still barely forgiven me for ;))

Literally did not survive? Or figuratively?

We shall have to see...how dark do things get?

;)
Had to see that one in context, but in Wheatley’s case of memory serves I think it was just a case of old age. But as you say: wait and see. Things are coming ;)
 
As an aside, a lot of the irony of Echoes is centred around the juxtaposition of Mosley’s identity here and his biography and legacy in our own time. (Which I know @filcat has still barely forgiven me for ;))

Indeed. Mosley in our history is...much different?

I am assuming that he is different in your story...just trying to tease out how different...
 
Indeed. Mosley in our history is...much different?

I am assuming that he is different in your story...just trying to tease out how different...

He's played by Rowan Atkinson.
 
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I was not just the young man in a hurry, as they tried to pretend, or the advocate of ‘wild-cat finance’, in the phrase of Snowden.

Since he was posting Keynsian methods, he absolutely was advocating 'wild-cat finance'.

There are a number of instances in this update where Mosley claims to not be doing something that he actually is doing...

I also noted the disturbing tendency to make himself look better by pointing out the failings of others...while refusing to actually discuss how he succeeded...or to obfuscate the reality of how he succeeded where they failed.

In this respect, this story's Mosley certainly is a modern politician...though it also means he is steadily earning a bitter reputation in my mind...

I clinched this argument with a reference to the Government's faulty method of seeking conversion which included a quotation from the President of the Board of Trade speaking a few days earlier – ‘During the past fortnight alone £16,000,000 of new capital has been authorised or raised for overseas investment, and so I trust the process will continue’ – and commented ‘Why? Why is it so right and proper and desirable that capital should go overseas to equip factories to compete against us, to build roads and railways in the Argentine or in Timbuctoo, to provide employment for people in those countries, while it is supposed to shake the whole basis of our financial strength if anyone dares to suggest the raising of money by the Government of this country to provide employment?’

Those overseas investments had a higher rate of potential return for the investors than internal investments.

This is actually a really good place to attack the economic problems of the day...since the wealthy only care about their own world financial standing...and not that of the state.