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Today CFP reaches the symbolic number of 150k subscribers on Steam workshop (and almost 19k on PDX mods).

I am eternally glad you enjoy all the work that is put into this project, and thankful for your everyday support. From kind words to monthly donations, including suggestions, feedbacks and historical data, you all contribute to the project's continuity, quality and productivity.

To celebrate the milestone, I will host a short live devblog next sunday from 18:00 to 18:45 CEST!
Check out the planning on the image down bellow
. I have voluntarily been quiet to have as much things as possible to showcase so be sure to hop in.

Update a few posts bellow:

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I'm also curious on their inspiration for Papal clothing. It feels so very off. Here's Innocent III, in a contemporary fresco:


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The papal tiara only has one crown (and a very early looking one at that, suggesting that the royal crown we know and love is probably a late-1200's adption, after the French kings made it popular) and the Papal clothes are much less bulky, with the pallium and the crimson cloak being the distinctive features.

In Pope Joan, J. Goodman plays Pope Sergius and his costume, even if it looks cheap, seems pretty much inspired by Innocent III's depiction of a single-thread pallium instead of the T Pallium that would become more popular later on:


I'm just sad that Pope Innocent's action figure wear the T pallium instead of the one he's wearing in the famous fresco:

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I'm also curious on their inspiration for Papal clothing. It feels so very off. Here's Innocent III, in a contemporary fresco:


Innozenz3.jpg


The papal tiara only has one crown (and a very early looking one at that, suggesting that the royal crown we know and love is probably a late-1200's adption, after the French kings made it popular) and the Papal clothes are much less bulky, with the pallium and the crimson cloak being the distinctive features.

In Pope Joan, J. Goodman plays Pope Sergius and his costume, even if it looks cheap, seems pretty much inspired by Innocent III's depiction of a single-thread pallium instead of the T Pallium that would become more popular later on:


I'm just sad that Pope Innocent's action figure wear the T pallium instead of the one he's wearing in the famous fresco:

pope_inno_3001.jpg
Yes, absolutely. Especially in the beginning of the Middle Ages, the pallium was an incrediobly important piece of clothing (more than the tiara, which only came around in the 1200s - I think even if ahistorical we should keep the tiara to differentiate the pope tho). The pallium needs to be brought back.

I submitted my suggestion https://suggestionbox.communityflav...thes-to-make-more-accurate-and-better-looking
 
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@El Tyranos I think the pope is a quick fix:

I think you should repurpose the Taylasan to make the Papal Cloak. I tried to play around with it, and even just adding it as is makes the pope look much better.

Additionally, a few changes would make it even better:
- make the taylasan cloak for the pope a different color, like red or gold
- make the fastener on the chest larger and more ornate

get rid of the cross or make it smaller and more tasteful

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then, you'd have a perfect papal clothing and it would look something like this:


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also, found this great example of 3D rendering of a medieval cope

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Oh ok, it's actually "Romanesque" not "Roman".

Early Medieval crowns tyended to be tall cylindrical (like the Lombard Iron Crown), sometimes they had points or decorations of some kind. They were very common, but ultimately by 1200-1300 crowns became flashier but less tall.

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There are pelnty of sources showing those kinds of "tall Romanesque crowns". The TV show where El Tyranos got the screenshot from was masterfully researched (they even had bishops with the globular mitre that's accurate for the 10-11th Centuries!)
Which TV show do you mean?
 
A TV miniseries about Ermessenda, the grandmother of good ol' Ramon Berenguer I:

Indeed, they have the early globular mitres and excellent examples of capes, and even some sort of pallium? Nice croziers food
 

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Important notice regarding the 150k subs special show!

The wait will be shorter and the content quality will be greater as... I have the immense honor to be invited by One Proud Bavarian on his youtube channel tomorrow from 18:00 to 18:45 PM CEST.

Don't forget to hit that notification button on youtube so you don't miss it!


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Secret announcement! I hope it'll be that Paradox fixed it so this mod can be played in Ironman mode with achievements! Or that it's being incorporated into the game
 
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I'm also curious on their inspiration for Papal clothing. It feels so very off. Here's Innocent III, in a contemporary fresco:


Innozenz3.jpg


The papal tiara only has one crown (and a very early looking one at that, suggesting that the royal crown we know and love is probably a late-1200's adption, after the French kings made it popular) and the Papal clothes are much less bulky, with the pallium and the crimson cloak being the distinctive features.

I think this is a very important point -- especially in cinematic and game adaptation we see late medieval, renaissance, and even early modern clothing used instead of actual medieval clothing. This is especially true with clergy and royalty. Actual period sources are vital.
 
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Hi! First of all, thank you for your amazing work, and that was a fun stream.

Would it be possible to see more clothing like this, and ornaments like these in Serbian / South Slavic culture?

Some South Slavic (also Eastern Slavic) clothing:

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Those can probably be worn by both, commoners and low nobility.


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Bless El Tyranos for his patience with you people, I do not know how he does it.

Here's the simple instruction he asks us to follow:

I don't take requests, but you can post your suggestions on the dedicated suggestion box ! https://suggestionbox.communityflavorpack.com/
 
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In the latest Dev Diary it was revealed that the Chaperon and Hennin would only be seen after the 1300s, which makes me wonder does that mean you'll be able to restrict certain things to their relevant years?, if memory serves correctly clothing appearing before it should was a bit of a pet peeve of yours?. (or am i misremembering?).
 
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In the latest Dev Diary it was revealed that the Chaperon and Hennin would only be seen after the 1300s, which makes me wonder does that mean you'll be able to restrict certain things to their relevant years?, if memory serves correctly clothing appearing before it should was a bit of a pet peeve of yours?. (or am i misremembering?).
Supposedly they're waiting for a more sophisticated system of unlocking/locking clothing by era instead of manually adding triggers to each and every piece of clothing that might be undone work if we get a better system.
 
Are those sandals?
Yes, based on an artifact from 19th century.

In the latest Dev Diary it was revealed that the Chaperon and Hennin would only be seen after the 1300s, which makes me wonder does that mean you'll be able to restrict certain things to their relevant years?, if memory serves correctly clothing appearing before it should was a bit of a pet peeve of yours?. (or am i misremembering?).
There are already some time locks in cfp, based on year or innovation (plate armor, helms, glasses, Sutton hoo, ermine cloak, etc.). It's however not as complex as one could hope...
Supposedly they're waiting for a more sophisticated system of unlocking/locking clothing by era instead of manually adding triggers to each and every piece of clothing that might be undone work if we get a better system.
...and I don't expect Azure patch to add such system for 2 headgears. No, they will use the same system as I do : check if date > 1300 for a separate group of two assets.

To check my suggestion (highest priority) to paradox and understand better, go there : https://github.com/ElTyranos/CommunityFlavorPack/issues/102#issuecomment-823457257
 
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