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There were plans for war against Japan. I would make for an exciting next conflict after WWII.

As for the 1 alliance thing, I suppose that if the alliance is heavily dominant (More VPs than other two combined), they could try those events.

We don't know when WW2 would be over in this game. And Economic Recovery would begin almost immediately after the war--added to the fact the economics of the world would be moving into high gear to compensate for the Great Depression.

Glad people like those ideas....

Hopefully, Jraup or whoever is the offical CORE idea man shows up soon. 8)
 
Spotter-Aircraft

Is it possible to create spotter-aircraft? Cheap aircrafts similar to interceptors, but with no air attack and a short range useful only for scout missions. They could be researched with artillery (you know that artillery brigades had some aircraft to explore an area), I think it could be very useful building this type of cheap planes when the decryption cannot help and also when you send paratroopers behind the front line....
 
The problem is that they need to have stats in order to perform some kind of mission in order to get off the ground at all. Since we can't tell an airunit to just fly around it needs to be told something. Still, an Air Attack of 2 or 3 (whichever is required for the Air Superiority mission) might be good with a bunch of Air Defence and moderate range and slow speed to achieve what you're talking about.

Then there are other issues such as should we really have it and which model to use (so it doesn't force a bunch of changes elsewhere). Some thought on it is probably a good idea though.

I've been for a Recon mission for several months now, however, but I don't hold my breath on ever seeing it.
 
Blue Max said:
Hopefully, Jraup or whoever is the offical CORE idea man shows up soon. 8)

We have no "official idea man" for CORE. Things come up, and they either happen, or they don't. I'm just the point man for events...
 
I would like to see an 'aggressive Britain' event. This would allow for a non- breakup of the Empire and possible annexation of controlled enemy land ie Italian Africa. Also possible protectorates in the Balkans. This would simulate the fact that America rarely takes land in Europe and would come with an appropriate dissent hit for Britain. A change of policy thing for Churchill.
 
Hmm...
[Takes look at previous lists of ideas]

If the Soviet Union is bitter peaced by the Germans, they should become very aggressive and take over as much of central asia and china as they can--that is the only way they can avoid being overwhelmed by a second German campaign.

Soviet Conquests in Eastern Europe should have "forced relocation" events that change the national territories of their own and other nations. Theoretically, the Soviets could roll the Germans beyond the Weser river if they wanted to.

After bitter peace event, the Germans really should get a Germaniserung event--without a war to worry about, the Germans really can start resettling things.

If the Allies and the Germans come to peace, all of "France" should go to "Vichy France" as one of the conditions of peace would be the recognize Vichy as the legitimate French government.

I'd like to see a Japan vs Germany showdown after the allies and commintern are finished.

What about USA Immigration policies? I know that there were many people who wanted to leave europe during and after WWII. Should immigrants to the USA increase the Manpower of the USA? And should the USA have an event to decide whether they want more manpower at the cost of dissent?

If Hitler dies or is taken out of office, shouldn't Germany immediately offer peace to everyone its fighting?

Romania should really be leaning allied if the Vienna Diktat and the Claims on Bessarabia happen to it. It would only think otherwise if Antonescu is in power.

Allies should have a shot at negotations with Soviet Union in the same timeframe as the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact, and the Soviets get to decide whether they want to protect Poland or eat it.

Germany should get dissent for having to WITHDRAW ITS PEOPLE from the baltic states as part of the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact (part of why I think dissent for it is wrong)

USA should have a "Fire Patton?" event, and a "Patton dies" event as well.

There should be a chance that India or other colonies run by Great Britian have a chance of breaking away during hostilities.

USA, then, should have an economic boom event after the war.

Soviet Union should be able to Demand Reparations from Germany, after Germany is defeated. The Soviets would get a boatload of cash, but their DDR puppet would really not it, and its possible, be bled dry by paying reparations.

IF China is Axis and Japan is allied, THERE IS NO WAY THE JAPANESE SHOULD ATTACK THE USA!!! That strikes me, more than any other abuse I've heard about, as true powergaming HOI2 to a very ahistorical extent.

In addition, if Japan DOWs the USA, the germans should have the choice of ejecting the Japanese from the Axis so that they are not dragged into a war against America. The USA should also not join the allies because of a Japan only war either.
 
Blue Max said:
Hmm...
[Takes look at previous lists of ideas]

If the Soviet Union is bitter peaced by the Germans, they should become very aggressive and take over as much of central asia and china as they can--that is the only way they can avoid being overwhelmed by a second German campaign.

Interesting idea, we really need to think about the 'aftermath' of odd things happening (like Germany defeating Russia, what happens next?).

Soviet Conquests in Eastern Europe should have "forced relocation" events that change the national territories of their own and other nations. Theoretically, the Soviets could roll the Germans beyond the Weser river if they wanted to.

After bitter peace event, the Germans really should get a Germaniserung event--without a war to worry about, the Germans really can start resettling things.

There was a big discussion of this a while back, with the general conclusion being that there was not the timeframe in which Germany could effectively 'Germanize' even small parts of Russia. Not by 1948.

If the Allies and the Germans come to peace, all of "France" should go to "Vichy France" as one of the conditions of peace would be the recognize Vichy as the legitimate French government.

Germany should keep the contested French areas, along with Italy (if Axis).

I'd like to see a Japan vs Germany showdown after the allies and commintern are finished.

Unless Japan is allied, once the other alliances are defeated it is game over.

What about USA Immigration policies? I know that there were many people who wanted to leave europe during and after WWII. Should immigrants to the USA increase the Manpower of the USA? And should the USA have an event to decide whether they want more manpower at the cost of dissent?

I don't really know how much immigration would really have affected the size of avaliable manpower. Immigration was small, in relation to the total population.

If Hitler dies or is taken out of office, shouldn't Germany immediately offer peace to everyone its fighting?

This would kind of make the game dull at certain points, say if Hitler was randomly killed and Germany is player controlled, suddenly they have to make peace?

Romania should really be leaning allied if the Vienna Diktat and the Claims on Bessarabia happen to it. It would only think otherwise if Antonescu is in power.

Romania should only move toward the Axis when France is defeated. Without France (their mentor nation), Romania would feel at the mercy of Russia or Germany, and would have to make a choice between the two which to be allied, and which to be their enemy.

Allies should have a shot at negotations with Soviet Union in the same timeframe as the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact, and the Soviets get to decide whether they want to protect Poland or eat it.

Interesting, what should happen if Russia decides to 'eat it'?

Germany should get dissent for having to WITHDRAW ITS PEOPLE from the baltic states as part of the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact (part of why I think dissent for it is wrong)

Well, I wonder what was more important, seeing that foreign Germans were put under Soviet control, or, that they won't have to face a war against Russia (at least this is what it seemed like).

USA should have a "Fire Patton?" event, and a "Patton dies" event as well.

This really depends on what patton does. If there are events in place that have him slapping soldiers, or doing silly things, saying bad stuff, there should be consequences (event like "Patton states he wants to rearm Germans to fight the Russians" do you "Yell at him", "Fire Him", "Ignore him")

There should be a chance that India or other colonies run by Great Britian have a chance of breaking away during hostilities.

Depending on wether or not they are invaded, this would be true. India breaking off without Japan in the war, or Japan in India was impossible. The army was too loyal to the British, and a significant number of British troops were in India.

USA, then, should have an economic boom event after the war.

Once the war is over, the game is over.

Soviet Union should be able to Demand Reparations from Germany, after Germany is defeated. The Soviets would get a boatload of cash, but their DDR puppet would really not it, and its possible, be bled dry by paying reparations.

Depending on the status of Japan, or a war between the Allies, this depends on wether the game is over at Germany's defeat or not.

IF China is Axis and Japan is allied, THERE IS NO WAY THE JAPANESE SHOULD ATTACK THE USA!!! That strikes me, more than any other abuse I've heard about, as true powergaming HOI2 to a very ahistorical extent.

There should be things in place to stop silly alliances (like the US joining the Axis because Japan is allied).

In addition, if Japan DOWs the USA, the germans should have the choice of ejecting the Japanese from the Axis so that they are not dragged into a war against America. The USA should also not join the allies because of a Japan only war either.

There should be consequences, and knowing FDR, he would find a way to get into the war against Germany.
 
Germany should keep the contested French areas, along with Italy (if Axis).
--Does Vichy have claims on French Territory? It really should, as De Gaulle would be a "rebel without a cause" if the Allies made peace with the Germans. I can imagine The Axis getting a helping of French territory, but not ALL OF FRANCES COLONIES--that seems extreme.

Unless Japan is allied, once the other alliances are defeated it is game over.
--How about then, when the other alliances are all but defeated, Germany is prompted with an event asking them If they'd like to betray the Japanese--as they intended to do in RL.


I don't really know how much immigration would really have affected the size of avaliable manpower. Immigration was small, in relation to the total population.
--The 1940s had very heavy immigration, due largely to war refugees from Europe. Some note of it, and the choice to allow UNLIMITED IMMIGRATION to the USA would be important too.


This would kind of make the game dull at certain points, say if Hitler was randomly killed and Germany is player controlled, suddenly they have to make peace?
--The AI never agrees to any peace deals when they are allied. I recognize that this would be very boring and unnecessary in a game where the allied nations had SOME REALISM about when they were defeated or not. But HOI2 does not yet have that, so I think this is important.

Romania should only move toward the Axis when France is defeated. Without France (their mentor nation), Romania would feel at the mercy of Russia or Germany, and would have to make a choice between the two which to be allied, and which to be their enemy.
--Fair enough, if there is no Vichy by 1941 or so, Romania should not go axis.


Interesting, what should happen if Russia decides to 'eat it'?
--Either they go Molotov Ribbentrop, or Russia decides to invade Poland for as much territory as they can get (if they think they can do better that way). Pretty much a historical choice.

Well, I wonder what was more important, seeing that foreign Germans were put under Soviet control, or, that they won't have to face a war against Russia (at least this is what it seemed like).
--I don't think Stalin would have fought a war against Germany alone. And seeing as how the French never attempted a single offensive against the Germans in 1939 through the fall Gelb campaign, the "Two Front War" was not a reality. And, quite frankly, while it may be suicidal, the German People longed to crush the slavic peoples and their communist ideology. Germany wouldn't get any dissent EVEN IF THE SOVIETS MARCHED ON THEM.

This really depends on what patton does. If there are events in place that have him slapping soldiers, or doing silly things, saying bad stuff, there should be consequences (event like "Patton states he wants to rearm Germans to fight the Russians" do you "Yell at him", "Fire Him", "Ignore him")
--If Recalling MacArthur and killing Yamamoto is eventworthy, at least one should be for Patton.

Once the war is over, the game is over.
--Not if there is a peace deal. I'm going to change "last alliance standing" to "Alliance is dominant, has more than both other alliances combined"


There should be consequences, and knowing FDR, he would find a way to get into the war against Germany.
--There would be dissent aplenty for it though. Germany DOWing the USA really led him out of that one. Plus, you are assuming that FDR is re-elected in 1940.
 
I think that Poland should not be "Allied" to the UK and France, but that a guarentee of independence fits them better
By September 1939 Poland had signed treaties with France that spoke of military coordination against Germany in case of German action against those countries OR if Polish interests in Gdansk have been threatened.France and Britain provided also limited military support for Poland(too little too late). Poland also gave military intelligence, as well as transported most of its Navy to England just before the war.Really alliance is way better to portay the situation.

As to suggestions regarding Poland and overall diplomatic situation-I think that certainly current game lacks diplomatic events in 1939, right now the war seems a bit drastic unexpected event.
Events showing Hitlers attempts to influence Poland by diplomatic means (invitation to Anti-Comintern Pact,proposal to give Memel, areas in the East), the situation at Munich(whatever Chechs are abandonded or get help) should be presented.

In Poland, 1940, the Soviets attempted to indoctrinate the Poles and force them to serve in the Soviet Ranks.
Actually only a few selected officers were select to form a Polish division in SU.IIRC there was event about a Polish army(both independent of Anders and puppet of Berling) formed from Polish POWs in SU in CORE for HOI 1.

As to war the mayor conferences(Teheran,Cair,Yalta Postdam) deciding the future of the World could be implemented but that is somewhat risky as the situation could look very different and such events would require huge amount of work and coding.

Another thing to add would be the British support for partisant movement in occupied Europe-in real life they focused almost only on Yugoslavia abandoning the Polish resistance movement.Perhaps a choice could be made that would decide where does revolt increase more.
Also an choice for British could be preperations for invasion in the Balkans trying to liberate more of Central Europe before the Soviets.

Historical events showing partisant movement in Europe-right now the standard revolts are a bit inaccurate-for example the revolt level is the same in occupied France as in Poland-when in WW2 due to history and policies the resistance was diverse in scale across the Europe.Some events showing increased resistance could be made.Again this was in CORE for HOI1.


Poland-- If the UK does not ally with Poland, it should almost certainly give up Danzig. Also based on Germany's track record, if Poland loses Danzig and the Allies do nothing about it, Germany should recieve another event to partition the country with Soviet Union bloodlessly. While their wasn't a historical record to do this, we need only consider that Austria and Czechloslovkia, after being knuckled down by Germany where then annexed bloodlessly. I think it a fair statement that Germany would very much like to erase Poland off the map after Danzig, and the Soviets would be happy to get a piece of the action. Doing this might well provoke war with the Allies on a Axis+Commintern vs Allies basis.
Unlikely for two reasons
-culture and history.Chechs and Austrians didn't have as similar and deep historic feud with Germany and for them it wasn't as important to defend their independence.Poles also had much more cultural traditions of fighting against Germany and Russia, even both at the same time.There is a lot of "fight to the end" attitude in Polish culture regarding such things/
-real life history and diplomacy-if Poland would be abandoned by England and France, Hitler would increase pressure on Poland to join him against USSR.His original plan was to invaded USSR with Japan and Poland (btw Japan and Poland were closely allied in the period).Poland wasn't to take part in war against France, and establishing of Ukraine was likely to counterbalance Polish position in Europe.

As to Munich -
Poland should get the option either to protest, retake Zaolzie or help Czechs.
Retaking Zaolzie should give certain bonuses as it was major diplomatic decision for Poland and it involved getting major industrial facilities as well as mines-I can give numbers later(a bonus to energy and metal production was given by Polish team working on polish mod for HOI 2).Also interventionism and authoritarian scale should go up, as well as diplomatic relations with Germany at the cost of relations with SU, England and France.This would reflect the historical situation well.

Germany wouldn't get any dissent EVEN IF THE SOVIETS MARCHED ON THEM.
Some dissent would be likely.Arresting of national minorites in Germany took place, as well as the existance of communist symphatisers-therefore a small dissent doesn't seem out of place.

This would kind of make the game dull at certain points, say if Hitler was randomly killed and Germany is player controlled, suddenly they have to make peace?
Yes that is unlikely especially since for example even the coup organisers wanted to continue fighting in the East, while heaving ceasefire with Western Allies.
 
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I have tried the mod HSR with Italy and I've noticed in 1936 that Italy had 3 squadrons of "Aereosiluranti" or torpedo airplanes.

But it is false; in fact Italy had, first in the world, an advanced technology of torpedo aircraft, but never used before January 1941 (year in wich was created the "289.a Squadriglia Aereosiluranti" of 6 airplanes) because of hostility between the central HQ of Air Forces ("Superaereo") and cantral HQ of Navy ("Supermarina"). (the central HQ of Army had the name of "Superesercito").

At the end of 1938 Germany ordered the construction of 300 torpedo aircrafts from Italy (from the torpedo factory "Whithead" of Fiume), but Italy ordered no one.

I think it could be right to be noticed.
 
Lavrentij Beria said:
do an easier way to create RSI in Italy, I'll never seen this event :(

Suggestions? As is, the event has reasonable, and somewhat variable trigger conditions. Not sure what else could be done for this to happen.
 
Blue Max is Back!!

This means at least three more rounds of suggestions for sure!

Okay, here goes:

Germany was in control of events in Europe--that is, it chose when to Anschluss Austria, turn the heat up on Poland and Czechloslovkia, and ultimately when to DOW the Poles over Danzig.

I think there should just be a blanket event "Germany declares that all Germans will live in Germany!", puts claims on Austria, the SudTirol, the Sudentenland, Danzig, the Jutland, Posen, Switzerland, and maybe on some Low Country territories.

When Germany makes demands on Austria, it sets off the Anschluss events, putting Germany in charge of the timetable it wants to use against that country. The events could be followed up with a second event (like Czechs would get annexed four months after Sudentenland goes through).

This flexibility of time is historical--the Germans chose when to do all of these things, and should be an advantage allowed the Germans.

The Germans should get an event to renounce their claims on the SudTirol, to improve relations with Italy and decrease their beligerence. If Germany does not do this, Italy should begin to lean Allied (it's government moves to Autocrat from Facist, and may well join the allies)

The Germans should also get an event to concede Danzig and Posen for a good relations with Poland--or maybe go for the Lithunania Memel deal for Danzig.

I had mentioned previously that the Soviet Union should have the choice between favoring the Allies and the Axis powers. We know what happens with favor the Axis--RM pact, Poland is divvied up.

If the Soviet Union favors the Allies, Poland grants millitary access to the Soviets (although Poland would be reluctant to do this historically and should be able to veto it.) Germany gets a final warning--"Soviets stand behind the Poles", and Germany should become unwilling to consider a war against Poland, as it would bring the Soviets against them at full strength.

If a war breaks out, the Germans are truly cooked. I think the Soviets should allowed to grab as much territory as they can in Germany and Poland for their efforts (a Partition of Germany, instead of Poland, for the Soviets). And it could well have ended this way.

One more thing, USA should not re-elect FDR unless the world is in trouble, because he would not run again. A new Democrat contender should be the Democrat choice in 1940 if this happens. It could be Taft Vs. Dem. Successor.
 
Letting Germany renounce her claims to the rest of the world [sic] creates problems, IMO, first it's highly unrealistic and would alter the game too much... In other words it might be fun once or twice as Germany to not do this stuff, but its annoying when you are paying as the USSR and Germany decides to be all puppies and flowers (i.e. peaceful); you have to reload and that's a head ache we can all do without. That, and if Hitler decides to be less belligerent (would he???) Germany should move towrads Democracy and political left (or at least heavily isolationist) as such, it would be a very strange choice.

If the USSR stands with Poland in '39 then gameplay-wise Poland would get all of Germany unless the above is put into events (which means possible bugs... :( ), that, and I do not think that Stalin would have actively assisted the Conservative Polish Gov... now if there was a "revolution in Poland event" (highly unlikely) than maybe something could happen, but that would dis-balance the game...

...imagine playing as the UK and seeing Germany crushed by '40, what's left to do, but restart the game?

What I am saying is that such unreal events should be done (becuase they are interesting) with game-play-balance in mind.
 
AFAIK, the role of CORE is to encourage the game to follow (more or less) history. It is up to the actions of players to 'mess things up', and you could renouce claims by choosing 'no' on certain events.

What may be good to do, is to allow the player to change the order at which they do things through events. I think that instead of changing Germany totally, to become peaceful and nice to X many nations (something that couldn't happen given Hitler's 'promises'), the order at which he targetted other nations could change, to throw off things.

For example, would Germany always target Czechoslovakia in 1938? Why not go after Poland then go after Czechoslovakia in 1939? Possibly there would be a 'Russia first' policy, targetting Poland to get a common border with Russia (ignoring Czechoslovakia, or mitigating them as a foe), in order to invade them before a battle with the West, and before Russia could mobilize.

There are many possibilities, but, what should be encouraged is to have a world war erupt in Europe, not for everything to be nice and friendly.