This is quite possible. This assembly has basically been elected to decide the new constitution and electoral arrangements for the Fourth Republic, which is due to be completed in 1946, at which point new Presidential and Legislative elections are likely to be held. It is not a long-term legislative body, per se. Both the President and the PM are provisional positions for now, even with this recent election.So...social left is popular and can probably win the next election, which might be very soon depending on what the government does (the remaining colonial issues are going to be pretty disastrous, I'd wager).
Under Sukarno, perhaps more pro-Communist and -West than anti-Japanese. In OTL, his independence movement did have communist support and Sukarno's sympathy, but the military and nationalists did not approve, which would lead to increasing tensions in coming years and eventually lead to Sukarno's overthrow in 1965. Per Wikipedia:Indonesia going red or at least anti-west would be great for us, and they're also likely to be super anti-Japan, which gives us even more potential friends in the Pacific.
Sukarno and his fellow nationalists collaborated to garner support for the Japanese war effort from the population, in exchange for Japanese aid in spreading nationalist ideas. Upon Japanese surrender, Sukarno and Mohammad Hatta declared Indonesian independence on 17 August 1945, and Sukarno was appointed president.
It was a strange one, requiring some narrative gymnastics to explain away!Yes, one of the more amusing paradoxes the game threw up!
Heh! True, no doubt.The truth was more likely abject fear of Turkish RAW warfare as a result of all that high-grade intelligence emanating from Ankara...
The British Army probably had London circled by a ring of steel!
It could be: he's trying to be rightist enough to keep them frozen out and minimised, while contrasting enough with the centre and left to provide a viable opposition to them.It's possible these far-right movements won't go quietly and Giraud might have to face down some degree of violent backlash at home. However, just about everybody should applaud his actions internationally.
This was Giraud's calculation, especially while France in general and his own power were trying to establish themselves again in the immediate post-war world.The Soviets are going to support the French left regardless of what Giraud does. Rebuffing them would have been ill-advised.
Thanks! And you saw how it turned out - I was quite surprised by that! Perhaps the game knew what it was talking about politically after all!Hard to call this one. I sense Giraud has a credible chance, but the odds are favouring the leftist bloc. As always, a finely crafted blend of OTL fact and TTL fiction.
Yes.Well, that certainly looked like a safe enough margin.
It will be a tricky time for all concerned in the lead up to the full establishment of the Fourth Republic and the resulting elections - which really could go either way, given how close things are now.As you say, it couldn't have been any closer. This result will certainly make it difficult for Giraud and d'Astier to govern, even if things turned out far better than they dared hope for. If the Radicals were to join forces with the Alliance that creates two blocs with almost equal numbers (and an alternative administration) but of course the more parties there are in a coalition, the harder it is to keep everyone on the same page. For that matter, will the Alliance itself hold together in the wake of this heavy electoral reverse?
Perhaps, but they just have to limp through to the establishment of the new Republic and see if they can improve their position after that. The trade off is that the longer war in 1940 is well balanced by virtually none in 1944-45, including all the infrastructure bombing conducted by the Allies during its lead-up and contact, not to mention those parts that were fought over again. Belgium and the Netherlands may be as badly off as OTL, however.Basically what this tells me is that the first sign of things going wrong will lead to panic and overreaction, followed by the collapse of the government.
Whether that's strikes/financial problems rebuilding the country itself (and there would be lots. France fought a year long war on its own soil in the east, again. We'd be looking at ww1 levels of destruction in at least some areas) or in the colonial empire (and that is going to happen pretty soon because absolutely no one believes, correctly, that France can do anything to stop indepednance movements, the cancellation of debts, etc etc).
I give this government a year. If it is lucky.
They hardly have any of the colonial empire left after losing most of it to Turkey and Japan in GW2. No Dien Bien Phu, no North African wars, etc. Maybe a bit of a mess in Africa, but hardly nation-shattering. And a possible focus of US rebuilding and post-war economic diplomacy? They may end up in a stronger position than one might suppose.
Turns out that when your country does not suffer a violent invasion from the north coast through to the German border, you have more surviving population to do things like voting. Who knew?
Sorry, I got that one wrong in the French update, as 25 July was when the delayed results were announced in OTL. Here, they were conducted and announced on 5 July, so I guess you could reverse the comment?Perhaps the UK result was a reaction from UK leftists who turned out to vote in eagerness not to turn out like France?
Japan welcomes this development as anything which contributes to the end of Western colonialism and the establishment of far-Eastern Asian identity (which Japan could exploit for commercial and diplomatic gain, of course) is a good thing.
Per above, Sukarno could cut both ways: supported by Japan during GW2, but also with considerable Communist presence and influence in this revolutionary period. A complicated and nuanced situation, but certainly initially anti-colonial and anti-Western establishment, for sure. Maybe Japan might try to support them in TTL in the hopes of getting peaceful access to the oil resources they couldn't secure long term in the war. Or at least threaten it as a bargaining chip against the Dutch, anyway.Uhhhhh we just left them there by accident in the withdrawal, certainly we would never fund revolutionaries against a foreign government for our own ends, we are not Americans after all...
Yes, most of this. Though I think there was more Communist influence and/or tolerance under Sukarno, at least in the eyes of the military-nationalists and Soeharto twenty years later. What will happen in TTL may vary from all that.Highly unlikely. OTL, Japan supported Indonesian independence from the Dutch (actually making a promise to grant this in 1944, prior to the war's end) and a sizable number of Japanese soldiers contributed to the Indonesian ranks immediately after the war's conclusion. Given the recent occupation of parts of what will be Indonesia, relations may not be warm at first, but honestly the occupation was lesser in scope than in OTL so probably relations will warm up a good deal quicker.
That, plus the fact that Sukarno and the revolutionary leadership were not at all socialist let alone pro-Communist, and frankly it is too far from Russia proper for him to really care, given the much better opportunities he has on the East Asian mainland... I don't see it. Stalin does have an in with the Indonesian Communist Party but that's not likely to amount to much given OTL repression - which Japan is assuredly in favor of.
Fair comment. Though some moderation of HPOI3's, er, 'clunky' political system has been required to make things a little more plausible here. Then France tilted back to the right anyway!Seems to be the story of the day in the West. One can imagine that the combination of the world's most powerful leftist (USSR), democratic (USA), and rightist (Turkey) nations making up the "Comintern" leads to significantly more political confusion compared to OTL, as here it is not so clear that Nazi ideology lost their war especially with basically fascist Japan making out like bandits compared to OTL. After all, Nazi ideology did hold popular appeal based on nationalism, a lot of false promises and bombastic speeches, and unfortunately a whole lot of racism - much as it sadly does even in the modern day for some people.
Yes, this could be true (see above) on both counts. We shall see as we move into the more general post-1945 sweep of events soon.Alternatively, if the rebuild is much easier compared to OTL it is not too unlikely that the conservative ruling coalition could solidify their positions with an effective rebuilding scheme. Granted, this requires a French government to be effective at something, so yes, I agree, we'll give them a year at best.
Haha yes, RNG Polling Inc would agree with you there!If the world’s topsy-turvy enough to give the UK an even bigger Labour landslide, I suppose there’s always room for the largest Stalinist party in the west to cock up an historic starting advantage. Hopefully the French will do what they do best and we’ll have picket-line barbecues and striking ballerinas outside the Opéra National before the year is out.
This seems a pretty fair assessment. I don't like their chances of holding on to their colony.With more Soviet support, Japanese support, and even Turkish support for the Indonesians, I would wager this ATL war of independence will be much less in the Netherland's favour than the OTL one, and that's saying something.
I'm trying to play Giraud rather as a rightist version of de Gaulle in the broad. Still unsure how it will all turn out.As for France, it's an interesting swap to have Giraud front and centre. One might argue that the French have not yet forgotten Giraud's hopeful radio London broadcasts full of national pride and promises of a return to the strong, proud, and peaceful society that existed (in their minds) during the 'belle époque' (or even before 1870, but saying that would have gone against the majority republican public opinion...). After years of occupation, they want France to be a great nation again. Of course, they disagree on whether to go back to the old glory of the French Nation, or to start from scratch and build a new system that emulates the Soviet one, but with French characteristics. Giraud's victory is crucial here as it allows his coalition to build the structure of the post-war French state, thereby setting the framework within which all the next governments will operate. (until they manage to overturn it, of course).
Same here, and I like the way I am myself surprised on occasion and can use those pivotal moments to open up more points of difference with OTL. France has the potential, at least, to do pretty well and be the focus of Western military and economic support in the post-war period. But nothing is guaranteed, of course.I'm loving the twists and turns of these elections, and how they are shaping a complex post-war ecosystem. A leftist France would have been too easy, rallying towards the Comintern, making Europe into even more of a Socialist continent, and isolating the Benelux. With France still clearly on the side of the Allies, one could easily see a smaller, but significant third block develop on a continent partitioned between Turkey and the Soviets. France, the Benelux, with British support, and maybe Spain, could turn out really strong. Good relations with the Americans are a plus, and without a Western Germany to spend it on, American money is going to be pouring into France as THE European bastion against Communism. I see good times ahead for the French, unless their own politics destroy every advantage they currently possess, which is always very much possible with France.
Well, it was for the leftists, anyway. Though the Giraudist-conservative coalition government is not that politically different to the UGNR, really, who are by no means communists. And yes, for Turkey in this post-war world, the external flash points are all with the British. Though the internal ones all across Europe, the Middle East and North Africa may be far more troublesome and dangerous in the mid-term.that was a very bad result, but at least it's not a landslide. Internal divisions and tensions in an Allied nation is always good but as UGNR we've always seen France as more sympathetic and harmless. The real enemy is the UK.
We shall see there. Interestingly, I had a lot to do with ASEAN security architecture in my previous role, so have some pretty in-depth perspectives on how it functions in the modern era, at least. I suspect we are a long way from that now, with most of SEA either under colonial or Japanese puppet control.I'm hoping for more consolidation in SE Asia in this timeline, a united ASEAN kind of nation would be an excellent outcome.
Truer words are rarely if ever spoken.
To All: the next chapter, on the US to the end of 1945, is pretty much ready to go and will be published shortly. I've used it as a bit of an overview of many (not all) of the recent major world events, too, as the US is either involved in or reacts to them. It will be the last of the detailed post-war epilogue updates that set the baseline for the rest of the epilogue, which I'm planning to be a briefer and more global sequence of events from here on.
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