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Well, the Danelaw is defeated. Congrats!

How easy would it be for Beornwulf's descendants to usurp the throne of England? They control more land than the English kings do.
Thank you!

Currently, it's very much doable, but it would certainly hurt the coffers and manpower quite a bit. Currently, Wynnflaed has forces comparable, if not slightly smaller in numbers to the King's own levies.

This makes a lot of sense, as Northumbria is the most prestigious title out of his collection. Northumberland was the original overlord of the heptarchy before mercia, and Beornwulf controls the furthest extent of their influence personally.

It also makes sense for him to be the most powerful Lord, given he not only has to guard the Scottish border but also the north Sea coast, and control the northern lands themsevles (always a hard task).

Had he a solid male heir, their rise to dominant England would have been complete. As it is, there's going to be a series of fights to see who will control and inherit his vast realm, both by underlings, his family and his ostensible overlord.

Should one man control all of it again though, he'd be best placed to be the power behind the throne or King himself, unless the current royal family consolidates their grip on the south.
Good to see this update. Sad to see the "Hammer of the Danes" pass however.


The inevitable ending....


It seems Wynnflaed has an early tendency toward espionage. I do think more debate on her influence regarding whether she truly had a hand in her grandfather's death might have played that up more to let us get a better glimpse of her. She will need all of those skills in intrigue to weather what is ahead.

As TBC ( @TheButterflyComposer ) rightfully points out, she will need to deal with the male dominated politics of the time and they will likely be coming to pick Northumbria apart unless she proves her mettle.
Before I went to reading about the heptarchy, I had no idea on which title was more prestigious, and just went with the coolest sounding primary title for Beornwulf. It seems that was a good choice! :p

I'd imagine it'd be better for the King to share the Ealdormanries amongst numerous vassals, as opposed to Beornwulf's jurisdiction over three of the five/six in the realm. You'd have to put a LOT of trust (at least, I think, and game-wise) in the fellow who's administrating all of that land in the King's name. There isn't really many ways to guarantee they won't try and usurp him, or, at the very least, reduce the crown's authority.

Aye, I was praying for a son. Unfortunately, even with my second marriage to Aethelthryth, I couldn't procure a male heir. Unfortunate, as you say, England probably would've been dominated by Eadmund's descendants quite quickly after Beornwulf's death. At least, game-wise. :confused:

@Chac1, in regards to Wynnflaed, she was actually given a martial education. I'd have to look at the game again, but if she did plot to murder her grandfather, she'd have probably done a rather poor job of it. Well, she DID do a poor job of it, seeing as Beornwulf actually discovered a plot on his life! :p

I don't want to spoil too much though, as similar to Beornwulf, you'll get a rundown on Wynnflaed's personality in the upcoming chapter.
 
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Excellent news to see the elimination of the Danelaw and Wales understanding it's proper and true position in the scheme of things.

Overall it is hard to see Beornwulf's life as anything other than a great success. Not perfect, but then no-one is, and he managed to hold it all together until the end which is often the hardest part of a run of success. I wonder if in the histories he might outshine Eormenred, after all he did much of the work and had the more interesting life. But against that is the fact history often gets flattened down to Kings and Queens, so Eormenred might get the credit for what his vassals did.

Looking ahead, it does look a lot like it was Wynnflaed who murdered Beornwulf (good old CK family murder mechanics) which is a bold start and certainly points at a different style. But then as TBC has said she is not going to be able to do the personal fighting so will have to fall back on other methods.

Well, she DID do a poor job of it, seeing as Beornwulf actually discovered a plot on his life! :p
He's dead and she has inherited all his titles and stuff. If that's doing a poor job I would hate to see what a good job is!

Beornwulf's Bishop, Stawell, fighting and winning against Alfgar in a bar fight during my House Feud with the House of Mercia being a pretty funny one I could've included. But alas, I wasn't sure where it'd slot in after all I'd written.
This does sounds a fun story, but as you say hard to see where it would fit in without breaking the tone/style of the chapter. I agree you made the correct choice, not everything should descend into ridiculousness despite what the CK3 developers may have intended.
 
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I wonder if in the histories he might outshine Eormenred, after all he did much of the work and had the more interesting life. But against that is the fact history often gets flattened down to Kings and Queens, so Eormenred might get the credit for what his vassals did.

Probably the only one being remembered in this period is the first king of England. Maybe Beornwulf as a second figure because the two together made the realm and unified the country.

But we probably won't get another historically remembered king or figure until either one firmly controls everything, does something suitably dramatic, or we have a major civil war.

This does sounds a fun story, but as you say hard to see where it would fit in without breaking the tone/style of the chapter. I agree you made the correct choice, not everything should descend into ridiculousness despite what the CK3 developers may have intended.

Entirely true to life though. Life wasn't all nasty, Brutal and short, but the bishops all seemed to be the centre of constant violence and silly happenings.

Let it not be forgotten that the reason Robert the Bruce was excommunicated was because he murdered some clergy in the middle of high mass in front of hundreds of people.
 
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Excellent news to see the elimination of the Danelaw and Wales understanding it's proper and true position in the scheme of things.

Overall it is hard to see Beornwulf's life as anything other than a great success. Not perfect, but then no-one is, and he managed to hold it all together until the end which is often the hardest part of a run of success. I wonder if in the histories he might outshine Eormenred, after all he did much of the work and had the more interesting life. But against that is the fact history often gets flattened down to Kings and Queens, so Eormenred might get the credit for what his vassals did.

Looking ahead, it does look a lot like it was Wynnflaed who murdered Beornwulf (good old CK family murder mechanics) which is a bold start and certainly points at a different style. But then as TBC has said she is not going to be able to do the personal fighting so will have to fall back on other methods.


He's dead and she has inherited all his titles and stuff. If that's doing a poor job I would hate to see what a good job is!


This does sounds a fun story, but as you say hard to see where it would fit in without breaking the tone/style of the chapter. I agree you made the correct choice, not everything should descend into ridiculousness despite what the CK3 developers may have intended.
It really felt like taking candy from a baby after Halfdan's death. They may have been antagonists for both Eadmund and Beornwulf, but they certainly lost their bite very quickly. Unfortunate, really, as I wanted it to feel like a struggle between the English and Danes. :confused:

While Gwynedd may be happy with this arrangement, many Welsh Princes/Kings (what's the proper term for it? I haven't seemed to find a definite answer if anyone can help) aren't too satisfied. the Kings of Deheubarth and Dyfed, particularly, are grumbling in silence.

It certainly does. I really want to reveal the definitive answer as to how Beornwulf died, but I think it's better to hold my eagerness back so the ambiguity defines Wynnflaed nicely. She has a few competent military commanders at her disposal, notably, the High Reeve of Nottingham, so as long as he and a few others are loyal, she's got people who she can depend on.

Regarding the assassination plot, that's true, I hadn't actually thought of it like that!

Yes, I don't think it fit the tone too right. Would've loved to add it, but it's exactly as you've mentioned. :)
Probably the only one being remembered in this period is the first king of England. Maybe Beornwulf as a second figure because the two together made the realm and unified the country.

But we probably won't get another historically remembered king or figure until either one firmly controls everything, does something suitably dramatic, or we have a major civil war.



Entirely true to life though. Life wasn't all nasty, Brutal and short, but the bishops all seemed to be the centre of constant violence and silly happenings.

Let it not be forgotten that the reason Robert the Bruce was excommunicated was because he murdered some clergy in the middle of high mass in front of hundreds of people.
I must agree with this notion. As much as I'd like Beornwulf to be remembered as the man who conquered England for the West Saxons, he's probably going to be overshadowed by Eormenred. Maybe, in the future of this world, Beornwulf would be considered as the more interesting, and perhaps, accomplished (may be pushing it a little, though) of the two among more niche circles. Until anyone in Eadmund's dynasty becomes a monarch once more, I'd assume they wouldn't be well known in comparison to the Cerdicings. However, that's my limited understanding of things.

Perhaps I could've added it, and it would've added a bit of hilarity to the chapter. Maybe I'll add in these more juicy details in later posts. :)
 
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VIII. Lady of the East Angles (932–943)

VIII. LADY OF THE EAST ANGLES (932–943)


Wynnflæd, Lady of Mercia, Northumbria and East Anglia
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Prior to her ascension as ruler of three of England’s five existing, large ealdormanries, the information on Wynnflæd is scant. Her life begins on the historical record in 932, when she married a minor French noble – an Adrien of Auxerre. In November of 936, an assassination plot on her grandfather, Beornwulf, was discovered, with a Ceorl’s confession linking the conspiracy to Wynnflæd. This, however, seemed to have no consequences for the lady, possibly due to largely circumstantial evidence. Following Beornwulf's passing on the 4th of June, 937, Wynnflæd had become the sole inheritor of her grandfather's possessions, and was appointed as Lady of Mercia, Northumbria and East Anglia.

The circumstances which she had inherited were less than desirable. Her grandfather’s untimely death in early-June had left the 20-year-old Wynnflæd in an unfavourable position militarily, as the Spring of 937 had brought aspiring Viking conquerors to England. Bergþór – with a host of 8,000 – had landed outside of Pocklington somewhere between December and February, conquering the settlement during this time. Furthermore, Norse-Gael settlers in Cumbria had taken up arms against Anglo-Saxon tyranny, as the slow, yet brutal conquest of their home had given these people little mercy.

As Bergþór's host made its way to Lincoln in June, an Anglo-Saxon army of 2,500 had gathered in Grimsby to thwart the Northmen’s conquest. Grimsby is believed to be the site of Beornwulf's death, as his abrupt passing in June with coincides with Norse and English sources indicating the the Anglo-Saxons state of disarray before the impending battle. With no one stepping forward to assume command of the army, the Norsemen circumvented the Humber unopposed on the 29th, slaughtering two fifths of the army in the chaos outside of the village.​

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With the support of Wynnflæd, Osulf – the High Reeve of Nottingham – had gathered an army of 1,700 men to reconquer Pocklington, recapturing the town in early-August. Osulf had met the King’s fyrd of 4,300 outside of Lincoln, whereupon the two armies massacred Bergþór’s host in the Yorkshire Wolds during the Spring of the same year. With Bergþór captured, the Northman had sued for peace sixteen days thereafter. Sometime after the Norseman’s crushing defeat, Wynnflæd – or, more accurately, her advisers – had brokered an agreement with the Norse-Gaels. While it is uncertain what the terms of the treaty were, it had ended the realm’s conflict with the settlers peacefully in September.

Wynnflæd had birthed her first son, Morcær, in 938. In 939, she became pregnant once more and had her first daughter, Leofwynn, in late-940. Leofwynn, however, was described as a sickly, moribund babe – not expected to survive.

In August of 940, Eormenred had suffered a crippling injury in an unspecified accident, with the King losing his cognitive abilities. Over the course of the following months, his first son, Cerdic, began assuming more of the King’s royal responsibilities. Upon Eormenred’s death in October, Cerdic had managed to convince the Witan to endorse his succession as monarch in opposition to his cousin and claimant, Ealdorman Swithræd of Kent.​

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On the 16th of January, 941, Wynnflæd had travelled from Dunwich to Winchester to legitimise her submission to the King of the English. Much unlike her grandfather, she came bearing gifts in the form of coin – likely to receive Cerdic’s favour. It seems, however, by April, the King had opted to antagonise his northern vassal by refusing Wynnflæd’s entrance into the Royal Manor in Winchester, rebuffing any request the Lady had of the King.

Similar to his father, Cerdic had made attempts to centralise England, strengthening royal authority. His initial attempts at gaining more financial and administrative control over the realm had been successful, but expectedly, there was a small, yet outspoken opposition to his new policies – particularly among the Welsh nobility. Wynnflæd, either through mere happenstance, or out of spite, had joined this chorus of voices in June, and with the support of many in the Principality of Dyfed, had demanded the King reverse his reforms and return to a more traditional, laissez-faire attitude towards governance.

Cerdic, expectedly, had refused these demands, and had raised an army of 3,500 in anticipation of civil war. Siân ferch Llywarch – Princess-Regnant of Dyfed – had wholeheartedly supported Wynnflæd’s attempts at rebellion, and had sent a force of three-to-four hundred men in support of her revolt. Somewhere between July and August of 941, Wynnflæd had raised an army of 2,900 to engage the King’s host in combat. The first and only battle of the war was a victory for the revolt, as contemporary historians call it the Slaughter on the River Wye.

The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle has this entry:

“A.D. 942. In this year, Wynnflæd's host, led by High-Sheriff Osulf of Nottingham, confronted King Cerdic's army stationed defensively across the River Wye. The East Angles swiftly gained the upper hand. The ensuing clash wrought havoc upon King Cerdic's forces, resulting in a defeat and the capture of his kinsman, Swithraed, the Ealdorman of Kent.”

– The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle​
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As civil war gripped the realm, the Danes, perhaps, noticed a moment of weakness in the unconquerable façade of the English kingdom. Refusing both England and East Anglia’s Danegeld, 6,000 Danes had landed in Norfolk with aspirations to conquer southern England. As the Slaughter on the River Wye concluded, Árni of Varde had led the Norse host in conquering East Anglia, sacking Norwich, Dunwich and Elmham. As a result, Wynnflæd and Cerdic had met in Gloucester, perhaps out of desperation, to negotiate peace terms. Neither were in a favourable position. While Wynnflæd had the capability to burn her way through Wessex after Cerdic’s crushing defeat on the Wye, her legitimacy was being torn apart by Danes conquering her home. Cerdic, while able to take advantage of Wynnflæd’s unwanted position, no longer had the manpower necessary to fight any would-be Viking conqueror.

On the 1st of January, 942, the two would make peace in Gloucester. Cerdic would reverse any policies and reforms he had made regarding the crown’s authority, and Wynnflæd would reconquer East Anglia and Essex in exchange for amnesty. A joint Anglo-Saxon army had met the Norsemen at Bedricsworth, triumphant in their battle with the Northmen and reconquering Norwich from Árni in May of 942.

Ultimately, Wynnflæd’s revolt had proven fruitless. In 943, Cerdic had reintroduced his administrative policies he had made 2 years prior, with little pushback from his nobility – including Wynnflæd. In the Summer, surprisingly, the Lady had fought and won a duel against the English King. According to the myths, this had occurred as a result of Cerdic insulting Wynnflæd’s womanly appearance in a bathhouse both frequented.​

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This is the first half of Wynnflaed's life. How does everyone think she's doing so far? I think a bloody war which does nothing but return the realm to the status quo certainly is an accomplishment, especially if it's to spite your rival. :p

Hopefully the quality hasn't gone down too much, I was writing the final parts a little late in the night. If you do find any errors, please do point them out! I'll try to fix them in the morning.

A question which has been on my mind for the week, and I think it would be some nice food for thought:

Who would be the patron saint of England, assuming the realm continues on the trajectory it's currently on. Since Eadmund isn't a saint in this timeline, and died quite peacefully compared to OTL countepart, I'd imagine it'd be difficult to determine who would be the one in this alternative history.

Stay tuned! :)
 
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many Welsh Princes/Kings (what's the proper term for it? I haven't seemed to find a definite answer if anyone can help)

Prince is fine. The angles won't call any leader of Wales anything else, if they give them a title at all.

I must agree with this notion. As much as I'd like Beornwulf to be remembered as the man who conquered England for the West Saxons, he's probably going to be overshadowed by Eormenred. Maybe, in the future of this world, Beornwulf would be considered as the more interesting, and perhaps, accomplished (may be pushing it a little, though) of the two among more niche circles. Until anyone in Eadmund's dynasty becomes a monarch once more, I'd assume they wouldn't be well known in comparison to the Cerdicings. However, that's my limited understanding of things.

Neither will be remembered, tbh. No one OTL really knows pre 1066 King's except for Alfred and Cnut, and they have folk tales attached to them. Unless late medieval, or nationalistic forces, attempt to build a mythos around the Royal family (presuming its one or the other of the families here), neither are significant in terms of being 'real' King's of England.

maybe still a Queen

Probably. Certainly in folk retelling. She's the first figure so far that will probably have some tales attached to her name. Fighting the king, allying with the king, defeating vikings and the king himself in an honour duel...all good myth stuff. Probably folk tales, then renasiance comedies at the very least.

As Bergþór attempted to cross the Humber

They would not do so. They would go around. The Humber is a very wide river with a strong tide and deep mud bottom. It is just about possible for a very tall and strong man to walk from shore to shore, but an army isn't doing that. Sailing across would be pretty hard too.

Much unlike her grandfather, she came bearing gifts in the form of coin

Sensible. She may be tough and strong, but she's newly to her own throne, and no reason to spite the south.

the King had opted to antagonise his northern vassal by refusing Wynnflæd’s entrance into the Royal Manor in Winchester, rebuffing any request the Lady had of the King.

Also sensible to a point, though he could have waited a little longer and got some more support before picking a fight with most of England for no real reason given.

Ultimately, Wynnflæd’s revolt had proven fruitless. In 943, Cerdic had reintroduced his reforms he had made 2 years prior, with little pushback from his nobility – including Wynnflæd. In Summer, surprisingly, the Lady had fought and won a duel against the English King. According to the myths, this had occurred as a result of Cerdic insulting Wynnflæd’s womanly appearance in a bathhouse both frequented.

Again, good character stuff for peasants and higher classes alike. If she keeps this up, she'll definitely become a larger than life character in folk tradition.

Who would be the patron saint of England, assuming the realm continues on the trajectory it's currently on. Since Eadmund isn't a saint in this timeline, and died quite peacefully compared to OTL countepart, I'd imagine it'd be difficult to determine who would be the one in this alternative history.

Depends on later doings and dealings. Bit too early for that sort of thinking yet. Local saints perhaps, but not national ones yet. Unless a prior ruler was made a saint (if we get an Edward the confessor type in the medical era, that would probably do).
 
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Prince is fine. The angles won't call any leader of Wales anything else, if they give them a title at all.



Neither will be remembered, tbh. No one OTL really knows pre 1066 King's except for Alfred and Cnut, and they have folk tales attached to them. Unless late medieval, or nationalistic forces, attempt to build a mythos around the Royal family (presuming its one or the other of the families here), neither are significant in terms of being 'real' King's of England.



Probably. Certainly in folk retelling. She's the first figure so far that will probably have some tales attached to her name. Fighting the king, allying with the king, defeating vikings and the king himself in an honour duel...all good myth stuff. Probably folk tales, then renasiance comedies at the very least.



They would not do so. They would go around. The Humber is a very wide river with a strong tide and deep mud bottom. It is just about possible for a very tall and strong man to walk from shore to shore, but an army isn't doing that. Sailing across would be pretty hard too.



Sensible. She may be tough and strong, but she's newly to her own throne, and no reason to spite the south.



Also sensible to a point, though he could have waited a little longer and got some more support before picking a fight with most of England for no real reason given.



Again, good character stuff for peasants and higher classes alike. If she keeps this up, she'll definitely become a larger than life character in folk tradition.



Depends on later doings and dealings. Bit too early for that sort of thinking yet. Local saints perhaps, but not national ones yet. Unless a prior ruler was made a saint (if we get an Edward the confessor type in the medical era, that would probably do).
Thank you! I wasn't exactly sure how I should refer to the Welsh petty kingdoms.

Perhaps I was too confident that 10th-century monarchs would be known to a modern public. Completely understandable why. :)

Possibly. At this point, I haven't found a way to knock Eadmund's descendants down a peg in terms of their title. To be honest, I hadn't even thought that Wynnflaed's escapades with the King and the Vikings were worthy of folk-tales, but with a different perspective, it's much more possible in my mind that she'd become a more known figure than what I'd been thinking prior to this chapter.

Thank you! I was trying to make it make sense why the Norse attacked my army at Grimsby, and kind of ignored the fact that the Humber was such a prominent and wide river! I was under the assumption that they'd just sail across, but it certainly makes more sense that way. I'll give it a rewrite.

I found it quite reasonable sending gold along with my pledge of fealty. It was expensive, to be certain, but I was under the assumption Cerdic would be less antagonistic towards Wynnflaed. Alas, it proved to not be the case.

Yes, I was confused at Cerdic's refusal. I was travelling to Winchester to I think petition the King to either send bailiffs or help develop Norwich, and he just denied my entrance. Personally, I was dumbfounded (after all that gold I gave him... :confused:). Since Wynnflaed is vengeful, however, the liberty faction was an excellent opportunity to spite him.

Maybe I've jumped the gun a little. :p It's just been floating around my head what the flag of England, and similarly, what its patron saint would be. If not St. George (which, I assume, is still possible), or St. Edmund, then who would it be? And seeing as we don't have an Edward the Confessor-style character in the story so far, I was wondering how it would all look hundreds of years from that point.
 
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Thank you! I wasn't exactly sure how I should refer to the Welsh petty kingdoms.

Welsh Princes should do. It's how historians refer to them, Owain Glyndwr being the last native Welsh Prince by his own people's reckoning etc.

To be honest, I hadn't even thought that Wynnflaed's escapades with the King and the Vikings were worthy of folk-tales, but with a different perspective, it's much more possible in my mind that she'd become a more known figure than what I'd been thinking prior to this chapter.

To be clear, there'd be folk tales. Who the character involved is will float around. Various figures, fictional and 'real' will be attached no doubt. Unless she gets really famous for doing multiple interesting things, in which case a fictional version of her, perhaps not called after after, will arise.

Maybe I've jumped the gun a little. :p It's just been floating around my head what the flag of England, and similarly, what its patron saint would be. If not St. George (which, I assume, is still possible), or St. Edmund, then who would it be? And seeing as we don't have an Edward the Confessor-style character in the story so far, I was wondering how it would all look hundreds of years from that point.

I'd say wait to see what makes sense first. Probably at least a few generations before England is considered a nation amongst its people for there to be any point in such a thing. Plenty of English figures and saints that could be done already though. The guy who standardised the Latin alphabet and was a major advisor at Charlemagnes Court was from East anglia and would still have existed in this timeline given no real plot divergence until the 9th century.
 
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Good to see this update. Wynnflaed's duel is a highlight. As you said before this chapter landed, she is bound to show off her martial training and not so much her abilities at intrigue. But if she's going to make inroads against this arrogant king, she may have to look that way for a solution.

Oh, I see the Danes are down but not completely out! However, it appears they will not be a worthy opponent but rather a pesky nuisance going forward. Oh well.....
 
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Good to see this update. Wynnflaed's duel is a highlight. As you said before this chapter landed, she is bound to show off her martial training and not so much her abilities at intrigue. But if she's going to make inroads against this arrogant king, she may have to look that way for a solution.

Oh, I see the Danes are down but not completely out! However, it appears they will not be a worthy opponent but rather a pesky nuisance going forward. Oh well.....
She's, surprisingly, as good as her grandfather in terms of combat prowess (maybe slightly worse). Probably not a good military commander, with middling martial skills, but still strangely has roughly 15-20 prowess.

The Danes stick around for a while, always trying to take something from England. Whenever they invade, up until the 11th century so far, it always takes both mine and the King's army combined to win against their massive stacks of 6-8,000, and even then, we're still outnumbered.

It's frankly a miracle I've managed to keep Northumbria and Mercia, being constant targets for Viking invasion - along with the overall competence of the AI. Oftentimes the King just kind of sits there in the background for most of the Battle, only coming in last-minute to save my skin for some reason.:confused:

I can only imagine how differently everything would've gone if Árni in this chapter had actually conquered East Anglia during Wynnflæd's Revolt. She'd only have Warwick as a possession. Eadmund's dynasty certainly would've taken a very different route if that occurred.
 
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Wynnflaed is a fascinating character. Will she try to gain more power, potentially at Cerdic's expense?

The Danes are opportunistic! What's going on in Scandinavia, anyway? Is there a chance that England will face an attempt by some alternate history version of Cnut to make a North Sea Empire? The kings of the Norse certainly have enough justification to hate England (especially East Anglia).
 
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Wynnflaed is a fascinating character. Will she try to gain more power, potentially at Cerdic's expense?

The Danes are opportunistic! What's going on in Scandinavia, anyway? Is there a chance that England will face an attempt by some alternate history version of Cnut to make a North Sea Empire? The kings of the Norse certainly have enough justification to hate England (especially East Anglia).
Absolutely. Wynnflaed certainly doesn't think highly of Cerdic, and as is her personality, she seeks to stick it to the King wherever possible.

Scandinavia, in 944, isn't having a fun time. Denmark, as a kingdom, has just collapsed with Jylland as the most notable successor. Sweden is going through a series of internal struggles and inheritance which is weakening the authority and strength of the crown, and Norway, particularly, Jämtland, at this point, is the most powerful of the Norse realms.

I do wish we get a similar version of Canute, but in 1005, it seems unlikely. Scandinavia seems incredibly unwilling to invade England, or do anything on the same scale as the Great Heathen Army. If two of the three principal realms in Scandinavia do unite, they could probably take on England and conquer East Anglia or Northumbria, but that's certainly a big if.
 
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I fear I must go against the grain and say I am not impressed with Wynnflaed. Murdering her own grandfather was bad, but to do so just before the Battle is appalling (as the portrait has her holding a knife while looking murderous I would suspect her of doing it even without the evidence of the plot). A pointless civil war while the country is still grappling with the Norse also speaks badly of her judgement and character, though the warning signs were there when she married a Frenchman. Besting the King in single combat is amusing if nothing else, but it is far too little given how badly she sinned elsewhere.

One can but hope she dies soon and her heir can manage to be ambitious without damaging the country. Or at least be competent at things other than kinslaying.
 
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I fear I must go against the grain and say I am not impressed with Wynnflaed. Murdering her own grandfather was bad, but to do so just before the Battle is appalling (as the portrait has her holding a knife while looking murderous I would suspect her of doing it even without the evidence of the plot). A pointless civil war while the country is still grappling with the Norse also speaks badly of her judgement and character, though the warning signs were there when she married a Frenchman. Besting the King in single combat is amusing if nothing else, but it is far too little given how badly she sinned elsewhere.

One can but hope she dies soon and her heir can manage to be ambitious without damaging the country. Or at least be competent at things other than kinslaying.
While I may have given her some praise, I must agree with you. When I was playing Wynnflaed, there was a point where I was, indeed praying for her passing. The debauchery going on behind the scenes may give your comment on her sins even more merit - but I won't spoil too much.

Beornwulf's death was certainly untimely. Without a battlefield commander, my levies got absolutely slaughtered by superior numbers. :confused:

Wynnflaed's husband, Adrien, despite his terrible affliction, is quite a sensible character. You'll hear a little more from him as one of Wynnflaed's sons grow up, being quite a positive reinforcement on the boy's life.

It was absolutely amusing seeing Cerdic humbled like that. After he denied Wynnflaed entrance into his hall, I honestly think he deserved that a little (I have no idea what made the King so belligerent towards me, really).

Game-wise, her stats are far from impressive. Her highest stat is fourteen in stewardship, and the most egregious is her shocking fat zero in diplomacy. So I wouldn't expect much other than conquest and rivalry from her.
 
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This is an interesting England being formed. Focused on trying to establish a stable realm, and rooting out Viking enclaves wherever they can on the islands. Should lead to conflict/alliances in Wales, Scotland, Ireland and the Northern rocks.

Possibly even a counter attack on Scandinavia to put a stop to these attacks once and for all.

Which makes sense. Before 1066, England was a North European kingdom with deep ties to the norse realms, Scandinavia and the rest of the islands...but not really the continent except for religious matters (lots of very good and respected monasteries in the realm meant lots of correspondence, travel etc between England, France, Germania etc).
 
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I am reminded of the attempt by King Edward the Confessor to bring Earl Godwin’s power to heel. The king stripped Godwin of his authority, Godwin and his sons raised an army in revolt, the king raised his husceorls, and both armies stared down the other. At which point many of the other earls and bishops started freaking out and running between the opposing sides trying to negotiate a peace deal because, as they apparently told King Edward, “even if you win decisively here, so many noblemen and their soldiers are going to die here that we stand no chance of stopping another foreign invasion.” Edward blinked and the balance of power was restored to status quo ante without bloodshed.
 
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Game-wise, her stats are far from impressive. Her highest stat is fourteen in stewardship, and the most egregious is her shocking fat zero in diplomacy. So I wouldn't expect much other than conquest and rivalry from her.
Zero in diplomacy sounds like a Neanderthal commander. Yes, there can only be a game of force - conquest and rivalry.
 
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Zero in diplomacy sounds like a Neanderthal commander. Yes, there can only be a game of force - conquest and rivalry.
Indeed. I do believe her instigation of a civil war is representative of her diplomatic skills. :)
I am reminded of the attempt by King Edward the Confessor to bring Earl Godwin’s power to heel. The king stripped Godwin of his authority, Godwin and his sons raised an army in revolt, the king raised his husceorls, and both armies stared down the other. At which point many of the other earls and bishops started freaking out and running between the opposing sides trying to negotiate a peace deal because, as they apparently told King Edward, “even if you win decisively here, so many noblemen and their soldiers are going to die here that we stand no chance of stopping another foreign invasion.” Edward blinked and the balance of power was restored to status quo ante without bloodshed.
It certainly feels reminiscent of the events of this game - the unfortunate part being that Cerdic and Wynnflaed's armies had already slaughtered one another. :confused:
This is an interesting England being formed. Focused on trying to establish a stable realm, and rooting out Viking enclaves wherever they can on the islands. Should lead to conflict/alliances in Wales, Scotland, Ireland and the Northern rocks.

Possibly even a counter attack on Scandinavia to put a stop to these attacks once and for all.

Which makes sense. Before 1066, England was a North European kingdom with deep ties to the norse realms, Scandinavia and the rest of the islands...but not really the continent except for religious matters (lots of very good and respected monasteries in the realm meant lots of correspondence, travel etc between England, France, Germania etc).
Certainly. It's a relief not having to look at the continent!
 
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A question for all, since I'm a little stumped:

Since Eadmund's ancestry is uncertain, what would his descendants be named? Eadmundings (it sounds silly, I know :p)?

As I'm writing the next chapter, I'm struggling to name what his dynasty would be called, seeing as he's not really related to Wuffa (as far as we know, I think. Correct me if I'm wrong). It's very cumbersome referring to the in-game name "of East Anglia." I've tried to call them "East Anglians," but it gets rather confusing.

I'm sure many of you within AARland would have much more creativity concerning this, as opposed to what I'd name this noble house! ;)

No need to answer, of course, this may be a silly question.

(Pretty sure I can ask this in this thread. If not, I'll move it to AARs, LPs, and Fanfiction. :) )
 
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