Isabella has never been one of my favourite queenies, but, dunno why, here I would send her gladly with Margaret Beaufort to sail to Ireland to see its green fields. If possible, in a ship named Titanic and painted deep white.
The young Duke led her to a rock so they might sit together and held her hand still, “I cannot say how things may go, mi Princesa. Only that my brother is an honest and true Prince. He holds a great heart and is none but caring for those that come before him.”
“And you know him so very well?” she questioned, “For I do...hear stories.”
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“Easily disputed, my Lady,” he offered a caring visage, “Yet so many things may persist. Were I you? I would pay them no mind as you know well the truth. And as I tell you...Ed is true.”
She was not convinced, “So this...Lady Grey? Señor de Palencia...he does say...”
“You would do well not to listen so much to your ambassador, my Lady,” Richard answered, “He holds one role and you hold another.”
Richard looked to her with a gentle smile, “We are young...Isabella. Who may know what our future holds?”
As he entered, he found Richard bent crooked over his desk eyeing closely a map with poor eyes. The King did not move as he questioned, “Is the road to London so great as that, sir? That a man does not go to see his parents?”
Nothing much to add, this is a clear tragedy in the making and no-one is really trying hard enough to stop it.
It's enough to make one look longingly at Warwick to come along and sort it all out...![]()
This was rather the reception I was hoping for.This is going to end great, I can tell.
I do like a good story.The lovely princess and the hunchback (yes I know it’s only scoliosis), oh you are making Shakespeare a very wealthy and happy man one day!
I must say here...I do hope that I am doing my best with her Spanish/Castilian given that I want her to have agency and while I could us a lot of italics to press that with her language, I decided to just use it without attribution. Perhaps like she might? Dunno if it works, but that is the way that I write her.@coz1, responding to the previous update only...
I continue to enjoy Isabella's personality and teasing. I have to use a translator for the Spanish portions, but when I do I realize she's brilliant and playful. Edmund doesn't give her enough credit. She's savvy, even as a young woman.
I may not say that I am doing justice to it, but I've read a lot about this period. I am certain that some of the relationships are and may remain unclear. Titles and such. Those that enjoy Kingmaker may have some idea.So I do now finally understand what King Richard's real fear is. He's king of the hill, but he fears he can still be pushed off (justifiably so). By securing the succession -- a legitimate heir with a legitimate heir's heir -- he ensures that it'll be far more difficult to push his family off that hill.
And I also now finally understand his fear of Warwick, and his reasons for not wanting to give him more riches or power. He senses that he might do what he did historically. He's a threat, apparently even by himself, or because Henry still lives.
Excellently written piece! I read this one twice before posting. I find that I am unfamiliar with the customs, the specific meanings and politics of lineage, etc. These things are so important in the 1400s, and my knowledge of history is so much more "at home" in the 19th and 20th Centuries. It's harder for me to sense the delicate undercurrents of the dialogue or shifting ground.
But this is truly inspired work!
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It is Isabella. She likes to tease. Of course!...
Columbo voice: "Oh... There's just one last thing..."
Why does Isabella tease Norfolk and Edmund with the "I know only too well" comment? It seems to play up the idea that King Richard is maybe being more familiar with her than is proper.
I take it, from available evidence, that that is NOT the case. It seems like she would be less interested in Edmund if she were involved with her father.
But she plays with it, and teases.
Why?
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I truly hope so!On your latest delightful scene...
Warwick is afraid of her being closer to Richard than to Edmund. Not an undue concern.
And Richard seems closer to her than to Edmund, which may make him the enforcer when it comes to making sure Edmund remains true.
An interesting situation developing!
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...PATION!View attachment 1175909
More delicate flirting, but I think more in the manner of chaste courtly discourse than anything more … earthy. Richard seems not to be ruled as much by the manly compass as some.
Let’s hope he gets a decent ‘history as told by the winning side’ run here and that his future does not involve arachnids and bottles!
And thank you! This allows a moment to plug your amazing ending to The Sons of Ragnar Lodbrok: In the Shadow of the Great Old Ones. I'll not spoil it, but a certain monk we like in this work showed up!I've fallen behind by a couple of installments, @coz1, but I vow to catch up by the weekend.
This is an excellent thought. There will likely always be a comparison by contemporaries. This is the recent past.I feel like Isabella's concerns might be founded. Can Cecily convince Edmund to be true for pragmatic reasons?
Isabella and Dickon's relationship might cause problems in the future. Hopefully it doesn't... escalate. We don't need a repeat of Margaret of Anjou.
Something touching you the wrong way?Isabella has never been one of my favourite queenies, but, dunno why, here I would send her gladly with Margaret Beaufort to sail to Ireland to see its green fields. If possible, in a ship named Titanic and painted deep white.
Probably a little of both? He has been a bit of a confounding character since I really started to write for him on purpose. He remains young and so many of these readers have "ideas" about him.Is Richard purposely deflecting, or is he naive about his brother's antics?
And more rumors shall follow.Yeah, this will end well...
The latest episodes appear to be all about rumours. Juicy rumours. Well done, @coz1.
I do promise that what you will read for the rest of this AAR is a game, should you choose to do so. It is a game played by the characters. So...maybe?Man I really need to start writing ck again. Now CK2 is 'done' and there's an endless mode, I just might...
I haven't really played EUIV except for the tutorial base game Castille in 2016 I think? So personal unions might not be as powerful and reliable as they used to be but if they are, England and one of the two Spanish realms forming a PU in a decade or less is monumental in regards to alt history and potential power synergy. The Spanish have the experienced renaissance armies, the English have experienced renaissance armies, and a big navy too. Prime allies for colonialism.
And...only a 100 more to go.
Likely so, but he has a chance to get a pair or two (you need 2! Or more!!) when he gets to Normandy and France proper.Looks like Richard needs a pair of them there eyeglasses that's all the rage in Italy and parts of Europe. Or is he too vain?
You called it. Yet how?Nothing much to add, this is a clear tragedy in the making and no-one is really trying hard enough to stop it.
It's enough to make one look longingly at Warwick to come along and sort it all out...
That would not be Kingmaker-like.Tell everyone what's going on in the middle of high table dinner and then kill himself.
That should do the trick.
Now I believe that you have checked my girl. She is a new player in town and the cast is changing. A lot of people do think that Edmund has shit for brains but maybe he doesn't? And who knows what these other siblings do?Eh, it’ll be fine. Edmund does not have mud for brains unlike the vast majority of the dramatis personae so far, and Isabella, if she is anything at all like her historical personality, does not tolerate problems - she kills or otherwise neutralizes the problems and expels their families to the ends of the earth.
And thank you! This allows a moment to plug your amazing ending to The Sons of Ragnar Lodbrok: In the Shadow of the Great Old Ones. I'll not spoil it, but a certain monk we like in this work showed up!
I promise to reply tomorrow after a second read.
Do you think I'm setting it up that way?Well...he's honest at least. They might be able to make it work. Esepcially if neither sleep with anyone else.
I suppose I could say George RR Martin given that his SOIAF series is largely based on this period as well as the works by Sharon Kay Penman who wrote a great series of books also on some of this period. There are certain phrases or ways of speaking I take from the extant documents I've read over the years in the many histories of this time. A lot of it, however, comes from my habits and learning from writing the 4 Wessex books here on the forum (linked in sig.) They take place in an earlier age, but I do believe it assisted getting me into the mindset to write this way and that this one especially is for really just a short time in the grand scheme, I don't have to worry too much about changing customs or idioms.So, it's done. Nice wrap up to the chapter. Edmund's honesty could well get him in trouble, especially if an emotionally hurt Isabella decides to look elsewhere for satisfaction.
Throughout this 100 pages of narrative, you've managed to maintain a consistent style. So I'm curious, what literary works served as your inspiration?
I did read the final scene but then decided I wanted to go back and read the whole thing once again as I am certain there is much I missed the first time around (it was a while ago, you know.) I will get there.Thanks for the shout-out, @coz1. It was fun, and long overdue to complete.
Still waiting on that promise...![]()
I suppose I could say George RR Martin given that his SOIAF series is largely based on this period as well as the works by Sharon Kay Penman who wrote a great series of books also on some of this period. There are certain phrases or ways of speaking I take from the extant documents I've read over the years in the many histories of this time.
I did read the final scene but then decided I wanted to go back and read the whole thing once again as I am certain there is much I missed the first time around (it was a while ago, you know.) I will get there.
I very much appreciate that. I wanted to pack a lot into it and it was not easy. I had to let go of a specific POV and instead allowed it to flow between characters.@coz1 First, Al, let me say that you've crafted a very subtle and flavorful scene there. Lots going on, many emotions at play, many considerations made by many characters, and everything in balance and nothing out of place.
King Richard, Prince Richard, George, Lady Jane Gray, Margaret Beaufort, Warwick, Isabella, Edmund, Cecily, Norfolk -- that's a HUGELY complicated scene, but very well told and each of these left their mark on the scene. We recognize their personalities -- not just what we've seen before, but they develop further, each of them, within the scene (exc. for maybe Lady Jane -- don't recall she was more than mentioned, except when she was mentioned by Isabella, and that was very interesting).
I must confess I rather lost track of Exeter for a minute there.Warwick as the finally honored lieutenant who's been recognized and given an honor by the King... And he's got to be savoring that, if he can ignore the slight slight afterward. Prince Richard as the protector of Isabella. Margaret Beaufort as the unrequited love -- a simple but meaningful gesture given (curious what it will mean, in the end). King Richard finally has what he's wanted, and recognized when to leave well enough alone. Cecily also.
And somehow Exeter and Henry both had a presence simply by NOT having a presence. I do wonder what they thought about the whole thing.
As I've mentioned, much of this chapter was meant to set up new things coming up in the story. It was a bit of a swing in the narrative from the big moments of the past towards big moments that may come in the near and far future. A transition.Edmund is very deeply touched (scarred?) by his knowledge of what happened with Margaret Beaufort in the Tudor household. He thinks it wrong and fears to repeat it. Enough that he almost wrecked everything. Isabella had to demand her due in order to get it. But he relents and they have congress. And that story was carefully told.
Isabella may someday value Edmund's honesty, but gosh that must have stung. Fine -- we'll have a marriage of necessity, and nothing more. But there must be more -- partnership, surely -- for it to be all it can be, short of love. And maybe there will be love also. But they both -- Edmund and Isabella -- will have to grow into that. For now she's content for it to be mechanical, and she's captured and guaranteed her agency in the machine. She knows she's impressed Edmund some, and that's what she wanted. She wanted more, but time will tell. Gosh how could he not be ultimately seduced by this young Isabella's larger than life personality? Only by staying remote, I suspect.
Looking forward to more. But if this was meant to cap off a whole series of chapters leading up to this point, you've accomplished it magnificently!
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I am starting to develop George as a fleshed out character, and while I am not entirely certain that he will follow his historical path, there may be some similarities. Whether it involves malmsey or not remains up in the air.The only thing missing from the scene is a butt of malmsey for the vouyer of Clarence.
Edmund is not his brother.Edward is an idiot isn't he? This is not just youthful inexperience, I don't think it's even arrogance, he just isn't very bright.
Now you have given me a wicked idea. Not saying I'll use it, but...oooohhh...If there is any future battle of wits with Warwick about the throne then Edward will be going into battle unarmed. Indeed if he continues to be so ham fisted with his interactions with Isabella he could easily end up facing the two of them teaming up against him, which can only end one way.