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Ludlow Castle, April 1459

“I say to you, sirs...that tears it!!” Richard of York slammed the letter to his desk and stood with alacrity to pour himself a drink.

Edmund looked on with some shock, “What is it, papa?”

“Your Lord father receives poor word from the King,” Sir William Oldhall suggested as he looked to the Duke, “It is more than just a council of Lords, is it not?”

“I doubt very seriously it comes at all from the hand of this King,” York turned with fury, “For in it, each peer is requested...nay, demanded...to meet with His Grace to Leicester with as many men defensibly arrayed as they might and that they should bring with them their expenses for two months!”

“It is worse than that, my Lord,” Henry, Lord Bourchier replied, “My brother the Archbishop tells to me that the Queen has convinced King and Council to call for more commissions of array throughout the realm. It is no less than conscription for young men from every town, village and hamlet.”

“Of course a French innovation prescribed by a very French Queen!” the Duke looked to them with more than irritation, “And more, I repeat...this does not come from the King. It cannot! I know the man. He does not wish for this!”

Oldhall answered with reticence, “Yet it does come from the Council and the King’s Privy Seal.”

“No less than the Bishop of Durham, to be certain!” Richard nearly threw his cup to the fire, “I have it on authority that the King has not held the seal in quite some time and knows not what his people do. Certainly not how the Queen has run round him at every step! If your brother the Archbishop were still Lord Chancellor, my Lord Bourchier, this would have never been allowed. The Bishop of Winchester is an empty stamp and now it is Wiltshire and Northumberland that control the Council and with no little help from the Dukes of Buckingham and Somerset!”

Edward allowed, “I could not believe that Harry would be behind such a thing, papa.”

“Speak not to me of your...great...friendship with the young Duke, sir!” Richard looked to his eldest son with narrowed eyes, “You have said to me yourself how you were made to flee from court after the warrant for Warwick was issued...”

“I was called home to you, papa!” Edward stood tall, “It was your idea and not mine own!”

Richard stepped to his son and looked up at his greater height, “Do not argue with me, boy! You may think that you are a man grown, but you remain seven and ten to me, sir!”

“He was only saying...” Edmund tried to protect his brother.

Richard turned on him as well, “And you, sir...naught but six and ten! You know not of which you speak and this business is far too serious to listen to children!”

“This child has spent much time to court...father,” Edward argued with a haughty tone, “And I may tell you that I find it hard to believe that the Lord of Buckingham has moved himself from any attempt for peace. He is hardly ever there! As to Harry...the Lord of Somerset...friend to me or no, he is not his father. While he detests our cousin of Warwick, to be sure, he holds to you no ill will. I promise you that.”

Lord Bourchier gave nod, “My Lord...the young Earl does speak it true. You are right to pin this upon Wiltshire the Coward. And Northumberland? I may assure you that he grows less conciliatory. He is not his brother Egremont, but his pain is felt and spoken often to both Queen and King should he wish to listen.”

“Which I imagine is not often,” York ignored his son’s insolence and moved back to the fire, “There may be few more than I that know this King...my cousin. He is likely the most peaceful man in this entire realm. He would not call for these arrays. He would not countenance such conscription. He would never announce to his Lords that they bring retainers. In truth, he would wish the very opposite. This is not the Henry that I know.”

Sir William Oldhall spoke up, “Yet, my Lord...how may you know? Is it not true that the King’s mood changes greatly? As you have said...on one day he may be as meek as a child...a mere babe. Yet to another, he attempts to show his power. Poorly...yet still a force.”

“It matters not,” Richard kept his gaze to the flames, “Whether strong or not, these are not his words. Not his action.”

Lord Bourchier announced, “For that reason, my Lord...I took the liberty of inviting others. If you would allow an audience, I have called for the Earl of Arundel and Sir William Stanley.”

Richard of York turned to him with some irritation, “You take a chance, sir. I be not certain that these are men of our affinity and we...”

“Pray pardon, my Lord,” Bourchier held up a kind hand, “You know well that Fitzalan is married to Lord Salisbury’s eldest daughter and Sir William...his brother Lord Stanley is married to another of them. I think them natural allies at this time...and do you not wish them?”

“That you are married to mine own sister should not give you thought that you may take such liberties, sir,” Richard stepped to him but finally gave nod, “Yet...I would see them. If they are willing participants.”

They all turned as Lord Bourchier invited the men into the hall and Richard bade them welcome despite his mood, “We are well met, sirs. My Lord and Sir William. We thank you for taking the trouble to travel to these parts.”

William Fitzalan was a small but proud man. Only a few years younger than Richard, he came from a very distinguished patrimony as the Earls of Arundel went back to William the Conqueror. It was their hereditary right to hold the title as long as they held the castle to Arundel in West Sussex. He had thus far been able to avoid taking a side in these disagreements but he did hold favor from the Earl of Salisbury, his father in law, and so he showed a kind enough face, “When the Viscount suggested such progress, my Lord...I could not say no. I am troubled by the happenings.”

Sir William Stanley was a different sort. Thin and reedy, he held a full beard even with his youth. Some said he was his brother’s twin though there was barely nine months between their births. He was the younger son. And hungry for it. He showed a dashing figure and bowed before Richard, “My Lord, I could not be more pleased to make your acquaintance. Viscount Bourchier wrote to me telling of these words from the King and among all peers in the land, surely you must be the most distressed by them.”

“You both do travel far,” Richard gestured for them to take seats by the fire and instructed Oldhall to fetch them refreshment, “Allow me to present my sons...Edward, Earl of March and Edmund, Earl of Rutland.”

Pleasantries were had by all and as they sat, Richard looked to them again, “So I may ask...if you be so troubled, what think you the remedy?”

“My brother writes to me, my Lord...” Sir William replied, “...and tells me that the Queen has raised much support throughout the Midlands. Even to Chester, she made the young Prince bestow a livery of swans to all the gentlemen of the county, even though this be the King’s personal badge. Among them my brother Lord Thomas who has been charged with raising his own levies. It can be for only one thing.”

The elder Earl squinted an eye, “I am not certain it be so plain as that. From my vantage point, it would appear that His Grace and the Council may fear a further action by the Earl of Warwick who is also called to this council to Leicester. If the calls for his arrest are true...and the reasons for it...mayhap the King would desire more force to keep such from happening again?”

“I dare say he would not come at any rate,” young Edward suggested.

“It did not stop him the last time, my Lord,” the Earl of Arundel gave a bow of the head to the younger Earl, “Begging your apologies.”

“He may be required to return,” Sir William Stanley replied.

Richard stood to warm himself by the fire, “Indeed...it may be a trap merely to finally have him to the Tower.”

“What says the Lord of Salisbury?” Arundel asked, “My father in law is always quite prudent and his words would matter, I should think.”

York stared at the flames, “He remains to Middleham in the north. I should like to get word to him yet I fear any letter might be intercepted. The court remains between us at the now.”

“I would be more than pleased to ride to him, my Lord,” Sir William Stanley answered, “Under the auspices of seeing my brother to Chester, I could very easily ride on to Middleham in the after.”

Richard of York turned with a nod, “I would be thankful for that, sir. Most gracious.”

Oldhall sat to the side taking notes and suggested as he scribbled, “Might it also be advisable to write to the Earl of Warwick in Calais, my Lord? I should think he would wish to know your mind on the matter.”

“I must say, my Lord...” the Earl of Arundel spoke up, “...I myself would wish to know your mind.”

Richard peered at him with certainty, “I should think it rather clear, sir. In all of my trials, be it to Blackheath all the way to St. Albans, I did show only to be met with a force meant to destroy me. Had I not formed my own, I should most certainly be dead at the now. Nay, my Lords...I’ll not fall for that again.”

“Yet you do still raise a force, my Lord,” the older Earl pointed out.

“Of course I do,” Richard gave firm nod, “For even if I do not show, which I hold no intention to do, she will have her men come after me. At the now, she stays where she is to the Midlands waiting for us to move. I would keep her guessing, at the first. And more, I shall be prepared when she inevitably makes mistake.”

Sir William Stanley questioned, “To what end, my Lord? Your old nemesis the Lord of Somerset is dead. His son is not quite the replacement. I believe it clear that the Queen is the prime mover of the court party at this moment and I dare say you cannot ask the King to remove her.”

“He makes a fine point, father,” Edward suggested, “Removing Wiltshire, or even Northumberland, would not make much change. Buckingham will remove himself sooner or later due to his age and infirmity. And I say again, Henry Beaufort does not look to thwart you.”

It was Lord Bourchier that answered the young Earl, “Any attempt to thwart Warwick is an attempt to thwart your father, my Lord. And I say to you, my Lord of Arundel...should Warwick be harmed, his father will show little mercy in the after. Prudent he may be, but that is his kin. As you well know, the Neville clan is quite close and will join ranks in the face of an enemy as they have done with the Percies.”

“That is true,” Arundel gave nod, “My Joan gives me an ear full.”

“Then you must not show either,” Richard pointed to him and then to the rest, “None of you should. That would be our show of strength. Lord Henry...you must speak to your brother the Archbishop. His absence would be missed as much as any other. And if the entire Neville family is absent, it would speak volumes.”

Lord Bourchier gave nod but questioned, “Yet Buckingham will surely be there even though his wife is sister to your own and of Neville blood.”

“And will continue to preach peace regardless,” Richard replied, “He is not a worry and frankly his voice means little and less at this late date. No, sirs...it is by our combined might that we should cause the other magnates to question. The King himself would surely not miss it and would know my mind by that very fact.”

The Earl of Arundel stood with an apology, “I must beg a pardon, my Lord. I will have to respond to the King’s missive. Though I will do my utmost to delay as long as I am able, I may only hold so long. My title...my livelihood...is to his pleasure as he himself commended me not five years ago. I hold a family to protect and while I am indeed given to grief by your circumstance and those of so many others...I must look to mine own. You can understand?”

“Indeed, I do,” Richard answered to him and moved to shake his arm as they Earl made to leave, “I would be most grateful for any delay you might achieve for it would be helpful to our cause. As we all hold families, I could not begrudge a man for taking a care for his own.”

“Most gracious, my Lord Richard,” the Earl gave a bow of his head, “I shall be in touch.”

As he left the hall, Lord Bourchier offered an apology of his own, “I am sorry, my Lord. Most disappointing. I had thought his relation to the Lord of Salisbury a bonus.”

“There are many cowards,” Sir William Stanley sipped at his drink.

Edward stood and looked to them all, “I think it not cowardice that a man might protect his family. After all, that is what my father does...”

“Be still, boy!” Richard moved back to the fire, “We require no soft hearts in this affair. Only strong will.”

“Papa...do not shut us out,” Edmund rose to stand by his brother, “Though we be young, we are in this as much as you. If this truly is a play against our cousin Warwick, and as proxy then for yourself, then we would feel it as much. We are titled, papa.”

Richard turned to them both, “You are children! They would not harm a child!”

“Do not be so certain, father,” Edward replied, “Think you of the young Beaufort girl, married younger than we. And some say forced to give birth to a Tudor heir. Forced in even conceiving the child, some say. More to that, her previous husband...now our family as you married John de la Pole to our sister Lillibet...he is right shut out at last hearing.”

The Duke began to fume, “He is a simpleton and his mother a power hungry wench!”

“Indeed...” Edward stood tall to his father, “...that is what mama would say. I ask you...what do you say?”

“I say what I should not have to,” Richard stepped to him and what he lacked in height he still had in weight, “Do not speak of family business when in front of others! You are included because Eddie has the right of it...yet you are to listen and be not heard. Is that understood?!”

Both young men bristled but Sir William Stanley rose to their defense, “A most wise sire, my Lord. My father was much the same. Though my brother and I did learn much by his allowance of disagreement. He, of course, was usually the winner in such arguments.”

“Hmm!” Richard snorted as he shifted back to the fire, “I am at wits end, sirs. My mind grows weary of this everlasting battle. By God...could someone...anyone...just win the damnable thing?!”

Oldhall looked up from his script, “The note for the Earl of Salisbury, my Lord? Should we not return to that so Sir William might be on his way?”

“Of course,” Richard shook his mind straight and looked to his chamberlain, “Tell him...that he must not show...of course. He need not my words on that matter. Yet he will be reassured of my stance. Tell him...that we will issue a manifesto. One that questions this raising of armies...this conscription. Tis unnatural to this Isle and it being a French innovation, it would be unwelcome to all Englishmen.”

Oldhall scribbled and answered, “Very good. And what else?”

“Tell him...” Richard considered, “...tell him what we discuss here. That we attempt to grow a coalition against these traitors of Council and indeed, the very Queen. Slow going, of course...as ever and always...yet tell him that he must needs write to his extended family in all ways. And that must include his son. I know that he counseled Warwick to return to Calais for his safety, yet he must know that the Queen intends all of our ruin and Warwick must return and come to our aid.”

“I shall write it up, my Lord,” Oldhall stood and looked to Stanley, “If you would be so gracious as to wait but a moment, Sir William, I shall have your package.”

“Do you think he will?” Lord Bourchier looked to Richard as Oldhall left the hall, “Lord Salisbury is a patient man. He would know that calling his son home risks so much more.”

The Duke of York remained silent for a time before looking to his sons and answering, “I know my brother in law. Patient he may be, but he knows what is at stake.”

“And what is that...father?” Edward asked with insolence.

Richard ignored him as he looked to Sir William, “You do me a great service, sir. I thank you again. Might I ask of you one more favor?”

“It is no ask at all,” Sir William replied, “Speak it and it will be done.”

“If you could ask your brother...” Richard answered, “...as I requested of Arundel...any chance that he may hold his retinue to himself. A delay. A trouble in passage. A sickness, mayhap. Anything that would keep his forces from joining with that of the Queen. It would be most appreciated. I would, of course, reward him for it.”

Sir William made bow, “My brother is his own man, my Lord. Yet I would assuredly pass on your message. Most discreetly, of course.”

“And be certain that you are not detected in any way otherwise, sir,” Richard suggested, “The Queen’s men are all too suspicious.”

“I may promise you, my Lord...” Sir William offered a wink to the two young Earls, “...it is rather a family affair. The men I travel with include my sister’s husbands. Sir Richard Molyneux and Sir William Troubeck. Both fine soldiers dating back to the French wars when they were young and I don’t mind telling you that they have taught me a thing or two.”

The Duke was impressed, “I recall Molyneux. Not so much the other...but very good. In and out, sir. Make it a reunion and then move with all haste to Middleham. This council to Leicester is in two months. We must not waste any time.”

“It shall be done, my Lord,” Sir William bowed and left the hall to wait for his letter.

Lord Bourchier also bowed, “And I will be off to Canterbury at first light, brother. I shall take your sister with me so it may be seen as nothing out of sorts.”

As he too left, Richard remained staring at his sons, “Why are you so obstinate?”

“Why are you?!” Edward returned with his own question.

Edmund held up a hand, “Ned...do not be so harsh.”

“Do not think I do not know what you do, sir!” Richard stepped to his eldest son.

Edward smiled, “And what is that...father?”

The Duke of York built up a head of steam before finally exhaling, “You task me!”

“And why should he not, papa?” Edmund replied to protect his brother, “You ask us here and then will not hear our words. You’ve even taken Ned to battle with you and sent him to court. Yet when he has knowledge, you would not hear it.”

Edward held a fierce gaze to his father, “I can fight my own battles, Ed.”

“You should listen to your brother,” Richard returned the gaze to Edward, “His tone especially. I did not raise you to be stroppy. Mayhap that some thing that you learned at court?”

“In fact, I did learn quite a few things at court,” Edward replied as he stood tall before his father, “Things that I did not learn from you...you having been gone for so long. Much like poor Ed does to here so often...gets more training from the man Leighson than he does from his own sire.”

Edmund protested, “That is not true, Ned!”

“Leave off it, brother,” Edward kept his eyes to Richard, “He thinks that we are still as young as little Georgie...no bigger than Dickon. A thing to show to others...as mama does...yet he would not see to our betterment. Only our place as he would have it!”

“You’ve grown rather a high mind for yourself...sir!” Richard admonished his son.

Edward laughed, “What else am I to do? The great scion of York...descendant of Edward the Third...with all the right pedigree and none of the stain. Right?”

“I do not follow your meaning...young man!” Richard furrowed his brow.

“Then shall we ask mama?” Edward looked to his brother, “She may not like it, of course, Ed...yet she may be able to clarify.”

Edmund was confused, “What are you talking about, Ned?”

“Yes indeed!” Richard pressed, “What are you on about when so much more is at stake?!”

Edward looked back to his father with anger, “No! We should never discuss it! Not when matters of lineage are concerned!”

“Christ’s Keys!” Richard shouted and moved back to the fire, “Are you no better than the Queen? Would question my every move?!”

“You do for her!” Edward suggested as he followed him, “Every rumor spread. Did you not think that some might come to my hearing at some date?!”

Richard waved an irritated hand, “You are addled, sir! Mayhap as much as the King!”

“And yet it is there...as much as she,” Edward replied quickly, “Throughout court, in fact.”

Edmund remained confused, “What is it, Ned?”

“Do not tell him!” Richard turned to his eldest son and spoke with soft but forceful words.

The young Earl smiled and looked to his younger brother, “It may appear that we both hold a secret. It is no thing, Ed. Just our father holding too many plates, perhaps. And yet he will not answer the original question.”

“What was the question?” Edmund asked.

“Rather an easy one, Ed,” Edward looked back to his father, “What is it that you wish to gain? Somerset is gone. Buckingham soon to follow, surely. You’ve not had to deal with Suffolk in many years, even though you married our sister to his only son. There is but one that continues to vex you, is there not? And what to do with her?”

The Duke held a firm hand to the mantle of the large hearth and sighed. He remained silent until Edward pressed him again, “You don’t have an answer, do you father?”

“I’ll not answer to you!” Richard kept his eye to the flames.

Edward laughed again and spoke with an affected Yorkshire accent, “And them there is the problem, gov’ner. The high and mighty Lord Richard, Duke of York with the best claims round these here parts...he don’t want no trouble. Just a bed to sleep in and no thing for hiself. Blimey...a right good Lord...innit he?”

“I think you speak out of turn, brother!” Edmund replied with anger himself, “Mayhap you do too much drink. I don’t know. I do not know at all!”

As the younger Earl stormed off, Richard remained in his position looking to the flames and softly stated, “You do not know what you question.”

“Nor do you...papa,” Edward replied with a calmer tone.

Richard grumbled under his breath and then answered, “You could not understand the ask.”

“I think I do...my Lord,” Edward moved to him and held a soft hand to his father’s back, “There are secrets...and there is truth. I’m not Georgie at ten causing mama to pull her hair out because of his misdeeds. Yet she loves him so much. I am your son...however you may think of me...of what I am. I am your son.”

“You are!” Richard answered without looking to him.

Edward allowed a smile, “Then just be truthful...papa. What is it that you want?”
 
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So Edward starts asking the important questions - teasers, indeed, too. As he would have to at some point, as the Yorkist heir. Naturally, Richard feels himself backed into a corner and in the end will never just give up.

What he really needs is some CK2 type chamber business to afflict the Queen. And if not that, a manure bomb. Without that, she and hers will have their war and Richard will not refuse it. Otherwise, the title of this AAR would become a bit redundant. ;)
 
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Ludlow Castle, April 1459

“I say to you, sirs...that tears it!!” Richard of York slammed the letter to his desk and stood with alacrity to pour himself a drink.

Edmund looked on with some shock, “What is it, papa?”

“Your Lord father receives poor word from the King,” Sir William Oldhall suggested as he looked to the Duke, “It is more than just a council of Lords, is it not?”

“I doubt very seriously it comes at all from the hand of this King,” York turned with fury, “For in it, each peer is requested...nay, demanded...to meet with His Grace to Leicester with as many men defensibly arrayed as they might and that they should bring with them their expenses for two months!”

“It is worse than that, my Lord,” Henry, Lord Bourchier replied, “My brother the Archbishop tells to me that the Queen has convinced King and Council to call for more commissions of array throughout the realm. It is no less than conscription for young men from every town, village and hamlet.”

“Of course a French innovation prescribed by a very French Queen!” the Duke looked to them with more than irritation, “And more, I repeat...this does not come from the King. It cannot! I know the man. He does not wish for this!”

Oldhall answered with reticence, “Yet it does come from the Council and the King’s Privy Seal.”

“No less than the Bishop of Durham, to be certain!” Richard nearly threw his cup to the fire, “I have it on authority that the King has not held the seal in quite some time and knows not what his people do. Certainly not how the Queen has run round him at every step! If your brother the Archbishop were still Lord Chancellor, my Lord Bourchier, this would have never been allowed. The Bishop of Winchester is an empty stamp and now it is Wiltshire and Northumberland that control the Council and with no little help from the Dukes of Buckingham and Somerset!”

Edward allowed, “I could not believe that Harry would be behind such a thing, papa.”

“Speak not to me of your...great...friendship with the young Duke, sir!” Richard looked to his eldest son with narrowed eyes, “You have said to me yourself how you were made to flee from court after the warrant for Warwick was issued...”

“I was called home to you, papa!” Edward stood tall, “It was your idea and not mine own!”

Richard stepped to his son and looked up at his greater height, “Do not argue with me, boy! You may think that you are a man grown, but you remain seven and ten to me, sir!”

“He was only saying...” Edmund tried to protect his brother.

Richard turned on him as well, “And you, sir...naught but six and ten! You know not of which you speak and this business is far too serious to listen to children!”

“This child has spent much time to court...father,” Edward argued with a haughty tone, “And I may tell you that I find it hard to believe that the Lord of Buckingham has moved himself from any attempt for peace. He is hardly ever there! As to Harry...the Lord of Somerset...friend to me or no, he is not his father. While he detests our cousin of Warwick, to be sure, he holds to you no ill will. I promise you that.”

Lord Bourchier gave nod, “My Lord...the young Earl does speak it true. You are right to pin this upon Wiltshire the Coward. And Northumberland? I may assure you that he grows less conciliatory. He is not his brother Egremont, but his pain is felt and spoken often to both Queen and King should he wish to listen.”

“Which I imagine is not often,” York ignored his son’s insolence and moved back to the fire, “There may be few more than I that know this King...my cousin. He is likely the most peaceful man in this entire realm. He would not call for these arrays. He would not countenance such conscription. He would never announce to his Lords that they bring retainers. In truth, he would wish the very opposite. This is not the Henry that I know.”

Sir William Oldhall spoke up, “Yet, my Lord...how may you know? Is it not true that the King’s mood changes greatly? As you have said...on one day he may be as meek as a child...a mere babe. Yet to another, he attempts to show his power. Poorly...yet still a force.”

“It matters not,” Richard kept his gaze to the flames, “Whether strong or not, these are not his words. Not his action.”

Lord Bourchier announced, “For that reason, my Lord...I took the liberty of inviting others. If you would allow an audience, I have called for the Earl of Arundel and Sir William Stanley.”

Richard of York turned to him with some irritation, “You take a chance, sir. I be not certain that these are men of our affinity and we...”

“Pray pardon, my Lord,” Bourchier held up a kind hand, “You know well that Fitzalan is married to Lord Salisbury’s eldest daughter and Sir William...his brother Lord Stanley is married to another of them. I think them natural allies at this time...and do you not wish them?”

“That you are married to mine own sister should not give you thought that you may take such liberties, sir,” Richard stepped to him but finally gave nod, “Yet...I would see them. If they are willing participants.”

They all turned as Lord Bourchier invited the men into the hall and Richard bade them welcome despite his mood, “We are well met, sirs. My Lord and Sir William. We thank you for taking the trouble to travel to these parts.”

William Fitzalan was a small but proud man. Only a few years younger than Richard, he came from a very distinguished patrimony as the Earls of Arundel went back to William the Conqueror. It was their hereditary right to hold the title as long as they held the castle to Arundel in West Sussex. He had thus far been able to avoid taking a side in these disagreements but he did hold favor from the Earl of Salisbury, his father in law, and so he showed a kind enough face, “When the Viscount suggested such progress, my Lord...I could not say no. I am troubled by the happenings.”

Sir William Stanley was a different sort. Thin and reedy, he held a full beard even with his youth. Some said he was his brother’s twin though there was barely nine months between their births. He was the younger son. And hungry for it. He showed a dashing figure and bowed before Richard, “My Lord, I could not be more pleased to make your acquaintance. Viscount Bourchier wrote to me telling of these words from the King and among all peers in the land, surely you must be the most distressed by them.”

“You both do travel far,” Richard gestured for them to take seats by the fire and instructed Oldhall to fetch them refreshment, “Allow me to present my sons...Edward, Earl of March and Edmund, Earl of Rutland.”

Pleasantries were had by all and as they sat, Richard looked to them again, “So I may ask...if you be so troubled, what think you the remedy?”

“My brother writes to me, my Lord...” Sir William replied, “...and tells me that the Queen has raised much support throughout the Midlands. Even to Chester, she made the young Prince bestow a livery of swans to all the gentlemen of the county, even though this be the King’s personal badge. Among them my brother Lord Thomas who has been charged with raising his own levies. It can be for only one thing.”

The elder Earl squinted an eye, “I am not certain it be so plain as that. From my vantage point, it would appear that His Grace and the Council may fear a further action by the Earl of Warwick who is also called to this council to Leicester. If the calls for his arrest are true...and the reasons for it...mayhap the King would desire more force to keep such from happening again?”

“I dare say he would not come at any rate,” young Edward suggested.

“It did not stop him the last time, my Lord,” the Earl of Arundel gave a bow of the head to the younger Earl, “Begging your apologies.”

“He may be required to return,” Sir William Stanley replied.

Richard stood to warm himself by the fire, “Indeed...it may be a trap merely to finally have him to the Tower.”

“What says the Lord of Salisbury?” Arundel asked, “My father in law is always quite prudent and his words would matter, I should think.”

York stared at the flames, “He remains to Middleham in the north. I should like to get word to him yet I fear any letter might be intercepted. The court remains between us at the now.”

“I would be more than pleased to ride to him, my Lord,” Sir William Stanley answered, “Under the auspices of seeing my brother to Chester, I could very easily ride on to Middleham in the after.”

Richard of York turned with a nod, “I would be thankful for that, sir. Most gracious.”

Oldhall sat to the side taking notes and suggested as he scribbled, “Might it also be advisable to write to the Earl of Warwick in Calais, my Lord? I should think he would wish to know your mind on the matter.”

“I must say, my Lord...” the Earl of Arundel spoke up, “...I myself would wish to know your mind.”

Richard peered at him with certainty, “I should think it rather clear, sir. In all of my trials, be it to Blackheath all the way to St. Albans, I did show only to be met with a force meant to destroy me. Had I not formed my own, I should most certainly be dead at the now. Nay, my Lords...I’ll not fall for that again.”

“Yet you do still raise a force, my Lord,” the older Earl pointed out.

“Of course I do,” Richard gave firm nod, “For even if I do not show, which I hold no intention to do, she will have her men come after me. At the now, she stays where she is to the Midlands waiting for us to move. I would keep her guessing, at the first. And more, I shall be prepared when she inevitably makes mistake.”

Sir William Stanley questioned, “To what end, my Lord? Your old nemesis the Lord of Somerset is dead. His son is not quite the replacement. I believe it clear that the Queen is the prime mover of the court party at this moment and I dare say you cannot ask the King to remove her.”

“He makes a fine point, father,” Edward suggested, “Removing Wiltshire, or even Northumberland, would not make much change. Buckingham will remove himself sooner or later due to his age and infirmity. And I say again, Henry Beaufort does not look to thwart you.”

It was Lord Bourchier that answered the young Earl, “Any attempt to thwart Warwick is an attempt to thwart your father, my Lord. And I say to you, my Lord of Arundel...should Warwick be harmed, his father will show little mercy in the after. Prudent he may be, but that is his kin. As you well know, the Neville clan is quite close and will join ranks in the face of an enemy as they have done with the Percies.”

“That is true,” Arundel gave nod, “My Joan gives me an ear full.”

“Then you must not show either,” Richard pointed to him and then to the rest, “None of you should. That would be our show of strength. Lord Henry...you must speak to your brother the Archbishop. His absence would be missed as much as any other. And if the entire Neville family is absent, it would speak volumes.”

Lord Bourchier gave nod but questioned, “Yet Buckingham will surely be there even though his wife is sister to your own and of Neville blood.”

“And will continue to preach peace regardless,” Richard replied, “He is not a worry and frankly his voice means little and less at this late date. No, sirs...it is by our combined might that we should cause the other magnates to question. The King himself would surely not miss it and would know my mind by that very fact.”

The Earl of Arundel stood with an apology, “I must beg a pardon, my Lord. I will have to respond to the King’s missive. Though I will do my utmost to delay as long as I am able, I may only hold so long. My title...my livelihood...is to his pleasure as he himself commended me not five years ago. I hold a family to protect and while I am indeed given to grief by your circumstance and those of so many others...I must look to mine own. You can understand?”

“Indeed, I do,” Richard answered to him and moved to shake his arm as they Earl made to leave, “I would be most grateful for any delay you might achieve for it would be helpful to our cause. As we all hold families, I could not begrudge a man for taking a care for his own.”

“Most gracious, my Lord Richard,” the Earl gave a bow of his head, “I shall be in touch.”

As he left the hall, Lord Bourchier offered an apology of his own, “I am sorry, my Lord. Most disappointing. I had thought his relation to the Lord of Salisbury a bonus.”

“There are many cowards,” Sir William Stanley sipped at his drink.

Edward stood and looked to them all, “I think it not cowardice that a man might protect his family. After all, that is what my father does...”

“Be still, boy!” Richard moved back to the fire, “We require no soft hearts in this affair. Only strong will.”

“Papa...do not shut us out,” Edmund rose to stand by his brother, “Though we be young, we are in this as much as you. If this truly is a play against our cousin Warwick, and as proxy then for yourself, then we would feel it as much. We are titled, papa.”

Richard turned to them both, “You are children! They would not harm a child!”

“Do not be so certain, father,” Edward replied, “Think you of the young Beaufort girl, married younger than we. And some say forced to give birth to a Tudor heir. Forced in even conceiving the child, some say. More to that, her previous husband...now our family as you married John de la Pole to our sister Lillibet...he is right shut out at last hearing.”

The Duke began to fume, “He is a simpleton and his mother a power hungry wench!”

“Indeed...” Edward stood tall to his father, “...that is what mama would say. I ask you...what do you say?”

“I say what I should not have to,” Richard stepped to him and what he lacked in height he still had in weight, “Do not speak of family business when in front of others! You are included because Eddie has the right of it...yet you are to listen and be not heard. Is that understood?!”

Both young men bristled but Sir William Stanley rose to their defense, “A most wise sire, my Lord. My father was much the same. Though my brother and I did learn much by his allowance of disagreement. He, of course, was usually the winner in such arguments.”

“Hmm!” Richard snorted as he shifted back to the fire, “I am at wits end, sirs. My mind grows weary of this everlasting battle. By God...could someone...anyone...just win the damnable thing?!”

Oldhall looked up from his script, “The note for the Earl of Salisbury, my Lord? Should we not return to that so Sir William might be on his way?”

“Of course,” Richard shook his mind straight and looked to his chamberlain, “Tell him...that he must not show...of course. He need not my words on that matter. Yet he will be reassured of my stance. Tell him...that we will issue a manifesto. One that questions this raising of armies...this conscription. Tis unnatural to this Isle and it being a French innovation, it would be unwelcome to all Englishmen.”

Oldhall scribbled and answered, “Very good. And what else?”

“Tell him...” Richard considered, “...tell him what we discuss here. That we attempt to grow a coalition against these traitors of Council and indeed, the very Queen. Slow going, of course...as ever and always...yet tell him that he must needs write to his extended family in all ways. And that must include his son. I know that he counseled Warwick to return to Calais for his safety, yet he must know that the Queen intends all of our ruin and Warwick must return and come to our aid.”

“I shall write it up, my Lord,” Oldhall stood and looked to Stanley, “If you would be so gracious as to wait but a moment, Sir William, I shall have your package.”

“Do you think he will?” Lord Bourchier looked to Richard as Oldhall left the hall, “Lord Salisbury is a patient man. He would know that calling his son home risks so much more.”

The Duke of York remained silent for a time before looking to his sons and answering, “I know my brother in law. Patient he may be, but he knows what is at stake.”

“And what is that...father?” Edward asked with insolence.

Richard ignored him as he looked to Sir William, “You do me a great service, sir. I thank you again. Might I ask of you one more favor?”

“It is no ask at all,” Sir William replied, “Speak it and it will be done.”

“If you could ask your brother...” Richard answered, “...as I requested of Arundel...any chance that he may hold his retinue to himself. A delay. A trouble in passage. A sickness, mayhap. Anything that would keep his forces from joining with that of the Queen. It would be most appreciated. I would, of course, reward him for it.”

Sir William made bow, “My brother is his own man, my Lord. Yet I would assuredly pass on your message. Most discreetly, of course.”

“And be certain that you are not detected in any way otherwise, sir,” Richard suggested, “The Queen’s men are all too suspicious.”

“I may promise you, my Lord...” Sir William offered a wink to the two young Earls, “...it is rather a family affair. The men I travel with include my sister’s husbands. Sir Richard Molyneux and Sir William Troubeck. Both fine soldiers dating back to the French wars when they were young and I don’t mind telling you that they have taught me a thing or two.”

The Duke was impressed, “I recall Molyneux. Not so much the other...but very good. In and out, sir. Make it a reunion and then move with all haste to Middleham. This council to Leicester is in two months. We must not waste any time.”

“It shall be done, my Lord,” Sir William bowed and left the hall to wait for his letter.

Lord Bourchier also bowed, “And I will be off to Canterbury at first light, brother. I shall take your sister with me so it may be seen as nothing out of sorts.”

As he too left, Richard remained staring at his sons, “Why are you so obstinate?”

“Why are you?!” Edward returned with his own question.

Edmund held up a hand, “Ned...do not be so harsh.”

“Do not think I do not know what you do, sir!” Richard stepped to his eldest son.

Edward smiled, “And what is that...father?”

The Duke of York built up a head of steam before finally exhaling, “You task me!”

“And why should he not, papa?” Edmund replied to protect his brother, “You ask us here and then will not hear our words. You’ve even taken Ned to battle with you and sent him to court. Yet when he has knowledge, you would not hear it.”

Edward held a fierce gaze to his father, “I can fight my own battles, Ed.”

“You should listen to your brother,” Richard returned the gaze to Edward, “His tone especially. I did not raise you to be stroppy. Mayhap that some thing that you learned at court?”

“In fact, I did learn quite a few things at court,” Edward replied as he stood tall before his father, “Things that I did not learn from you...you having been gone for so long. Much like poor Ed does to here so often...gets more training from the man Leighson than he does from his own sire.”

Edmund protested, “That is not true, Ned!”

“Leave off it, brother,” Edward kept his eyes to Richard, “He thinks that we are still as young as little Georgie...no bigger than Dickon. A thing to show to others...as mama does...yet he would not see to our betterment. Only our place as he would have it!”

“You’ve grown rather a high mind for yourself...sir!” Richard admonished his son.

Edward laughed, “What else am I to do? The great scion of York...descendant of Edward the Third...with all the right pedigree and none of the stain. Right?”

“I do not follow your meaning...young man!” Richard furrowed his brow.

“Then shall we ask mama?” Edward looked to his brother, “She may not like it, of course, Ed...yet she may be able to clarify.”

Edmund was confused, “What are you talking about, Ned?”

“Yes indeed!” Richard pressed, “What are you on about when so much more is at stake?!”

Edward looked back to his father with anger, “No! We should never discuss it! Not when matters of lineage are concerned!”

“Christ’s Keys!” Richard shouted and moved back to the fire, “Are you no better than the Queen? Would question my every move?!”

“You do for her!” Edward suggested as he followed him, “Every rumor spread. Did you not think that some might come to my hearing at some date?!”

Richard waved an irritated hand, “You are addled, sir! Mayhap as much as the King!”

“And yet it is there...as much as she,” Edward replied quickly, “Throughout court, in fact.”

Edmund remained confused, “What is it, Ned?”

“Do not tell him!” Richard turned to his eldest son and spoke with soft but forceful words.

The young Earl smiled and looked to his younger brother, “It may appear that we both hold a secret. It is no thing, Ed. Just our father holding too many plates, perhaps. And yet he will not answer the original question.”

“What was the question?” Edmund asked.

“Rather an easy one, Ed,” Edward looked back to his father, “What is it that you wish to gain? Somerset is gone. Buckingham soon to follow, surely. You’ve not had to deal with Suffolk in many years, even though you married our sister to his only son. There is but one that continues to vex you, is there not? And what to do with her?”

The Duke held a firm hand to the mantle of the large hearth and sighed. He remained silent until Edward pressed him again, “You don’t have an answer, do you father?”

“I’ll not answer to you!” Richard kept his eye to the flames.

Edward laughed again and spoke with an affected Yorkshire accent, “And them there is the problem, gov’ner. The high and mighty Lord Richard, Duke of York with the best claims round these here parts...he don’t want no trouble. Just a bed to sleep in and no thing for hiself. Blimey...a right good Lord...innit he?”

“I think you speak out of turn, brother!” Edmund replied with anger himself, “Mayhap you do too much drink. I don’t know. I do not know at all!”

As the younger Earl stormed off, Richard remained in his position looking to the flames and softly stated, “You do not know what you question.”

“Nor do you...papa,” Edward replied with a calmer tone.

Richard grumbled under his breath and then answered, “You could not understand the ask.”

“I think I do...my Lord,” Edward moved to him and held a soft hand to his father’s back, “There are secrets...and there is truth. I’m not Georgie at ten causing mama to pull her hair out because of his misdeeds. Yet she loves him so much. I am your son...however you may think of me...of what I am. I am your son.”

“You are!” Richard answered without looking to him.

Edward allowed a smile, “Then just be truthful...papa. What is it that you want?”

Let me whisper it into your ear...

Ready?

Good.

KILL. THE. QUEEN!
 
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It looks like the Yorkists are making their move again, and they might actually start the war this time. Finally.

I imagine that the conscription will win them many allies, too - it really wasn't a smart decision by Margaret. For that matter, I wouldn't put it past many of these militias to defect to York - which would be amusing.
 
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So Edward starts asking the important questions - teasers, indeed, too. As he would have to at some point, as the Yorkist heir. Naturally, Richard feels himself backed into a corner and in the end will never just give up.

What he really needs is some CK2 type chamber business to afflict the Queen. And if not that, a manure bomb. Without that, she and hers will have their war and Richard will not refuse it. Otherwise, the title of this AAR would become a bit redundant. ;)
I'm pleased you caught the "teasers" in the scene because while I never spoke it out loud, it was an undercurrent. Rumors can occur both ways and Edward has surely heard the many scurrilous things said about his father (and mayhap himself.) Yet more than anything, Edward is tasking his father with defining his true goal. More and more it will be impossible for York to continue to maintain his long standing "abuses" excuse. Yet we still have some time.

As to "ye olde manure bomb" I can say that this will not be an option. First of all, the shops in London are fresh out and secondly (and more seriously) it just isn't that easy to get to the Queen these days. Yes, Herbert (suggested) and Thomas (confirmed) are spying for Warwick and York, but the murder plot would be difficult (in CK terms, we would not be able to get enough plot power for it to be successful.)

Let me whisper it into your ear...

Ready?

Good.

KILL. THE. QUEEN!
Again? How and who? Especially as York himself still doesn't quite realize or is willing to admit that this is the next logical step.

It looks like the Yorkists are making their move again, and they might actually start the war this time. Finally.

I imagine that the conscription will win them many allies, too - it really wasn't a smart decision by Margaret. For that matter, I wouldn't put it past many of these militias to defect to York - which would be amusing.
York is doing his best to make it seem like the Queen is starting the war and he is simply reacting, but his actions are (or will be) indeed provocative.


To all - I liked this scene when I wrote it and again when I re-read it just before posting. Mostly because I enjoyed how Edward has shown some growth. I hope it, at least. The argument with his father did not come originally but as I worked on the scene and considered his character, it seemed a natural progression. I don't mind saying I started to consider myself at 17 and how I was just as "stroppy" in many ways with my parents. And my fears then were far less than this young man is going through. And indeed, as suggested above, the young Earl may have also heard of rumors concerning his own paternity in kind with the ones circulating around about the Prince. I am neither confirming or denying them, my friends. ;)

As to suggestions that killing the Queen would or could be done, consider this? Assassinating her would merely take her out of the picture. While she is the prime mover of the Court faction, she is not the only one. Wiltshire (the coward), Exeter, Somerset and Northumberland are becoming just as powerful on Council and goes right back to Richard's same complaint from the beginning. In the end, Richard will have to force the issue. Thus the last line of the scene. It's not even so much what he wants (though important) but more so what he is willing to do for it?

On the writing front, I just finished chapter 15 and have already begun writing chapter 16. Moving nicely along. :) Thank you to all for keeping up with me in reading and giving comment. You remain the greatest readAARs in all of AARland.
 
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Westminster, May 1459

“Jasper...are we at war?” Margaret Beaufort asked as she rocked her child.

The Earl of Pembroke looked to them both with a caring eye, “You needn’t have come with me, my Lady. Our castle to Wales is secure.”

“Is it our castle?” she asked with a smile, “My time to there has been special, I would not deny. Yet do you not think that we would be safer to there?”

He poured himself a drink, “This is where I am required. My brother the King is soon off to Leicester and who may know if the palace may be attacked in his absence.”

“Is not the Tower a safer fortress?” Margaret asked as she played with little Henry’s nose.

Jasper turned to her with another smile, “The safer fortress would be Pembroke, madam. Yet I must admit, that I do appreciate that you have joined me to here.”

She turned to face him with a worried eye, “And shall I ask who may attack? Isn’t the Lord of York still to his place at Ludlow? Surely the King is not worried that the people of London would sack the palace.”

“That is not out of the realm of possibility,” he sat next to her, “There is a proliferation of seditious bills and mocking verses throughout the city and some even suggest that the Queen herself rules as a tyrant through extortion and corrupt practices.”

“Is it true?” Margaret asked plainly.

Jasper held a serious eye, “It is hard to say, I admit. Through her own men it is said to all that the people are deceived and blinded by subtle and covert malice. I myself? I have seen how she rules my brother the King. It is untoward. In that regard, I could hold great cause with the Lord of York. Yet that Duke? To favor him is one thing. To raise an army on his behalf? That is quite another.”

“Yet why does the King allow it?”

“Sweet Margaret...” Jasper held a gentle hand to her cheek, “...you are still so young. My brother is the kindest sort...acted towards myself and Edmund as if we were his very own with no consideration that we were not the sons of a King. I know that you may have a different thought towards him...because of Edmund...other things. Yet, I do believe that he has meant well.”

Margaret smiled at his touch, “I did not ask you if he was kind. I ask why he appears so weak?”

“I fear that he cannot help it,” Jasper replied, “After his great illness, he has never been quite the same. Not as he was. And even before, as much as I revere him, he was never the most decisive King. Now? He seems at times a broken man. If he was easily led before...now he practically begs to be led even though he barks about it. It is truly a sadness.”

She looked at her child, “Then I suppose we are between rock and hard place, yes? Unable to support York, mistrustful of the Queen and saddened by a weak King. We may barely trust Buckingham, he being so limited these days. What shall we do?”

“We serve, madam,” Jasper held to her free hand, “As much as I may be brother to the King, I truly serve the crown. We both must do so. I fear that dark days are ahead of us with furious storm clouds circling above. And as we do with any great tempest, we must hunker down and await the result.”

“And pray that God would save us?” Margaret asked with a skewed eye.

Jasper smiled to her, “You are the pious one, my Lady.”

She arched a brow, “You would lay down your life in defense of that which seems indefensible?”

“I would lay down my life for you,” he replied with kindness.

“I may still be young, sir...yet I am no longer so naive,” she answered, “You answer not the question.”

The Tudor Earl stood and picked up his drink, “The question is not answerable. Not at the now. All parties seem to work in ill faith and there is not a one to be counted in full. None other than my brother the King who at the least wishes protection to the realm.”

“And yet is unable to enforce it,” Margaret suggested.

Jasper sighed and turned to her, “Is there another you would have in mind?”

She looked to her child with silence for a time before giving reply, “No. I suppose not. I merely...I wish no longer to be so passive. I’ve spent my life allowing events to control me. I see it in you as well. The younger brother? The youngest. And simply meant to do as told. Yet you are surely a far better commander than so many that surround this Queen, so why do you toil to Westminster instead of in the vanguard as you should be? If it truly be so important?”

“I am a soldier, Margaret,” Jasper answered to her, “I would go where I am required so I may protect this King.”

“Then why should you not be next to him?” she asked, “Would that not be a better way to protect him? Especially if all those round him are to be distrusted?”

When he did not answer, Margaret gently rested her son to the pillows of the settle and stood to him, “Is it because the Queen does not request it?”

“I am asked to here because I am trusted,” Jasper stated.

Margaret held a loving hand to his face, “And you are the only one. Certainly to my heart. Yet to the rest? I trust them none at all. Not even your brother the King.”

“What would you have me do?” he asked.

She leaned on her toes to kiss his cheek, “Stay safe, my Lord. And stay mine. I fear that we must bide our time and hold each other close during this storm...as you say. Wait...and remain calm as we weather it. And perhaps then?”

“Then, madam?” Jasper looked to her with question, “What then?”

“Perhaps...” Margaret smiled to him, “...another will present. When all else are gone...having killed one another as it appears they so wish to do...a true patron of this realm will show and provide.”

Jasper did not return her smile, “Margaret...I am no mummer in this play. Neither are you. There are far too many that would wish to be so. York...the Queen...Warwick. Even Buckingham. To a man...or woman...in this realm, they would be players. We are not that. Nor should we wish it.”

“May I tell you something, sir?” she stepped back and showed him a firm eye.

He hesitated before giving nod, “I would hear anything you would wish to say.”

Margaret softened, “I once thought that I was ruined. A young girl...a child even! Forced to do...to act in an unthinkable way. I was not prepared. Not by my mother...who frankly offered me up on a silver platter. Not by my father, surely, for he was long dead. My youth was stolen from me, as was my honor. And by your brother.”

“Edmund should have waited...” Jasper tried to say but she held up a hand.

“I mean not him,” Margaret answered, “I mean the King. I was sold, as if a lamb gone to slaughter. And yet Edmund did say a thing...a thing of which I did know at the time but did not wish to care about. Our...coupling...did provide for me. I shall never forget my shame of those days...yet I am not ashamed of it now. For there to the settle is my future. As you hold yourself a Queen in your line, I am the progeny of the Kings of England. However it may be said, that boy there holds royal blood. And if these today wish to bicker unto to death, I would allow it. Nay...desire it. For in the after, sir...Jasper...I think it a better future. For me...for you...and most assuredly for my Henry.”
 
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“Perhaps...” Margaret smiled to him, “...another will present. When all else are gone...having killed one another as it appears they so wish to do...a true patron of this realm will show and provide.”
She peers ahead with a well-guided eye.
Jasper did not return her smile, “Margaret...I am no mummer in this play. Neither are you. There are far too many that would wish to be so. York...the Queen...Warwick. Even Buckingham. To a man...or woman...in this realm, they would be players. We are not that. Nor should we wish it.”
Au contraire, Jasper. The world is a stage and we are but players on it. ;)
However it may be said, that boy there holds royal blood. And if these today wish to bicker unto to death, I would allow it. Nay...desire it. For in the after, sir...Jasper...I think it a better future. For me...for you...and most assuredly for my Henry.”
Oh, now really, she’s peeked ahead and read the ending! :D
 
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Kill the queen, replace with Henry Tudor. It is the only way.
 
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She peers ahead with a well-guided eye.

Au contraire, Jasper. The world is a stage and we are but players on it. ;)

Oh, now really, she’s peeked ahead and read the ending! :D
She may have received an advance copy without all of the edits included before publication. ;)

Kill the queen, replace with Henry Tudor. It is the only way.
So you want King Henry to marry a small babe? I suppose that is the Tudor way. ;)
 
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you want King Henry to marry a small babe? I suppose that is the Tudor way. ;)
Wrong gender, and even if it was (Henrietta Tudor?), you’re not getting public approval or papal dispensation to marry your niece at this point - as Richard III found out when he tried to marry Elizabeth of York.
 
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Would be better than the current situation though.
 
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The Tudors are unsure of who to side with. It is a most interesting dilemma... It seems like Margaret is plotting to enthrone her own offspring, but we'll see how that ends. Many things are different here, compared to OTL...
 
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I have just nominated @coz1 as WotW and happy second birthday to Roses.

The WotR is the perfect bridge between the CK world and the EU world. As the war ends the power of the magnates and leads to a nation-state.

While Warwick is called the kingmaker as his machinations changed the throne several times, he was often cast aside and disregarded after the power change. In OTL, he had to hitch his horse to Fancy's and the Prince her son's wagon. The true kingmaker was Jasper Tudor as not only managed the rare event of an exiled claimant (all, not just English) successfully winning the claim, but he also groomed Henry Tudor to be a successful king. Queen-Mother Margaret (hopefully) compares very favorably to the witch of the north and the French tart. Not only did she successfully advise her son, but she also helped her grandson start his reign.
 
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Wrong gender, and even if it was (Henrietta Tudor?), you’re not getting public approval or papal dispensation to marry your niece at this point - as Richard III found out when he tried to marry Elizabeth of York.
Oh, if little Henrietta Tudor wanted it, she would get it. ;)

Would be better than the current situation though.
Possibly.

The Tudors are unsure of who to side with. It is a most interesting dilemma... It seems like Margaret is plotting to enthrone her own offspring, but we'll see how that ends. Many things are different here, compared to OTL...
I think Margaret Beaufort is playing for time knowing that she now holds a fairly important card in the deck. At this date, she has no idea what kind of King little Henry would be, but she thinks she could be the power behind that with Jasper by her side.

I have just nominated @coz1 as WotW and happy second birthday to Roses.

The WotR is the perfect bridge between the CK world and the EU world. As the war ends the power of the magnates and leads to a nation-state.

While Warwick is called the kingmaker as his machinations changed the throne several times, he was often cast aside and disregarded after the power change. In OTL, he had to hitch his horse to Fancy's and the Prince her son's wagon. The true kingmaker was Jasper Tudor as not only managed the rare event of an exiled claimant (all, not just English) successfully winning the claim, but he also groomed Henry Tudor to be a successful king. Queen-Mother Margaret (hopefully) compares very favorably to the witch of the north and the French tart. Not only did she successfully advise her son, but she also helped her grandson start his reign.
Well thank you very much! It's not only the AARs birthday, but I turn 50 on Saturday so its gifts all around. :)

And Jasper is in a rather tough spot right now wanting to protect both Margaret Beaufort but also his brother the King. The idea that they had a love affair is too much to sweep aside so I'm leaning in with it.


To all - the next scene arrives in just a moment. I know I said we were getting some action and soon, there are still a few things to put in place. It's coming, I promise. Thanks to all for reading and giving comment.
 
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Coventry, June 1459

“I told you that they would not show!” Queen Margaret held firm as she looked to her husband.

King Henry pressed his hands to the table before him, “And yet you moved it from Leicester! Why do you play so much at deceit?!”

“Deceit?!” she repeated with scorn, “They would not show at any rate nor at any time! York...Salisbury nor his sons...even the Archbishop of Canterbury, husband! Do you not now see?!”

“You call me blind, but I think to see now what it is that you seek,” the King sat taller and looked to her with an angry eye, “A full and total break from all it is that I hold dear.”

“Mon Dieu, Henry!” she slammed a scroll to the desk in front of him, “You are such a fool! These are the words of your so called honest kinsmen...your cousin!”

The King was not shocked by her anger but he leaned forward and opened the scroll. As he read, his eyes grew larger until he finally pronounced, “This cannot be!”

“Did you think them to wait idly?” Margaret questioned, “When all they desire is your destruction, as they have done at every step of the way...that they might once more beg your forgiveness as they trample your rights as sovereign?!”

“I...” Henry sighed heavily, “...I cannot believe it.”

Margaret stood firm with hands to her hips, “Do you wish once more to await York’s words to you as he always does? That oh so begging of your love and that all of this is merely his attempt to show you such? You may call me cruel, sir. Deceitful even. Yet at what point would you answer that I am for you. That I do this all for you?!”

“For me...or the Prince?” Henry meekly questioned under his breath.

She would not cease, “That is your son, Henry! Your very heir! And at this moment, he is raising men to protect you!”

“He is hardly six in age,” Henry stood weakly from his chair, “You do too much in our name.”

“And you do hardly anything at all!” Margaret answered with strength, “If you do not, then someone must!”

The King slumped over the table and held his head in hand for a moment before looking up with a weary eye, “I so tire of fighting with you.”

“Then allow me to help you!” the Queen rushed to him and helped Henry sit, “To assist in your needs for I know your desire...”

“That you listen to not...” the King allowed her assistance and looked her in the eye, “...and if you truly knew...you would not press this.”

Margaret wrapped her arms around his neck and spoke into his ear, “Mon cher...I act because I must. This is no less than treason. And I will not apologize for wishing to protect my son.”

“Your son...” Henry started to say but she hugged even tighter.

“Our son!” she pressed with loving voice, “And all that we hold precious. You see in those words...York and his care not for your place or title. There care for no thing more but their own placement and would take it all for their own gain. Please...Henry...please listen to me!”

“No...” he wriggled from her grasp and stood away from his wife, “...no, madam! I see...I see that you are no better than another. And you do not listen to me! My Lady...I am anointed King!”

Margaret backed away and stood watching him with a harsh eye, “And so what is it that you would do, sir? If you believe that I do too much, what is it that you think these others do? Pray tell! Yes, husband...you are King. And how do you prove it?! By no thing!”

“It is my prerogative to choose!” Henry answered with uncharacteristic strength.

“And you choose nothing!” she replied with just as much fury.

Henry rubbed at his temple and looked to the chamber floor, “I choose...I choose peace.”

“And they do not!” Margaret stepped to him, “At every moment, they have decided that they are stronger than you. More important than you. Henry…you are meaningless in their eyes! How many times must I explain it?!”

“I am not meaningless!!!” Henry shouted.

Margaret softened as she went to him and held his arm, “Then why...mon cher...why would you allow them to show you otherwise? Why do you...why do you not do something?”

“God calls for me to keep this realm to peace,” the King answered quickly.

She would not hear it, “And it is not! Has not been since I have held to this place! I have lost too much...we have lost too much in these years! Be it Suffolk...Somerset? How many more must die for your idea of peace? At what date may you see that these would not grant you that which you desire? At what point could you see that I am correct that they wish your crown...and you far away from it?!”

“Margaret...” the King looked to her with a plea in his eyes, “...I am so tired.”

“I know you are,” she was quick to hold him closer, “And why is that? Because you are forced to respond to these harsh and poor men. Cette maladie à leurs esprits! They would never cease, husband...for they wish you not!”

Henry slumped in his frame, “I am so...so tired.”

“You require prayer, husband,” Margaret helped him to a chair, “I know. Yet I needs must hear you say...must know that you do not think that I am your enemy.”

“You require too much,” the King answered with a weak voice, “They all...require too much.”

The Queen stepped away and looked on him with scorn. She did her best to hold a calming tone of voice, “You need rest. A time of reflection. Prayer, my Lord. I be certain that this would refresh you.”

“Yes...” he answered as he labored to catch his breath, “...I think...we think that true.”

“So we...” Margaret replied as she kept her harsh gaze, “...we would see that you have it. I shall call for Wiltshire.”

Henry questioned with weakness, “Must you?”

“Very well,” Margaret replied with a sharp eye, “I shall call for your chaplain.”

“Yes...” the King gave nod, “...that would be...”

The Queen held softly to his shoulders as she looked to the distance, “That would be best. Calm your mind, husband. I would hold you safe.”

“You would...” his head raised but she pressed more firmly.

“I would hold you safe, Your Grace.”
 
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Urgh. This is torture. Just die already. Then we can at least hate the queen regent in peace as she raises her bastard offspring.
 
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I agree with TBC. Henry's already effectively dead.

Also, Margaret has a point, even if her son isn't their son and is illegitimate and mostly unrelated to the royal line...
 
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Well Suffolk was related to the royal line, just as a descendant of a half brother of Henry IV. Honestly I’m wondering how much all the main participants in this looked alike as they’re all effectively first/second/third cousins. It might be very difficult to establish who young “Prince” Edward’s father is if he genuinely looks a bit like Henry.
 
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Urgh. This is torture. Just die already. Then we can at least hate the queen regent in peace as she raises her bastard offspring.
Imagine how Queen Margaret feels. If she'd just picked up a pillow...

I agree with TBC. Henry's already effectively dead.

Also, Margaret has a point, even if her son isn't their son and is illegitimate and mostly unrelated to the royal line...
Margaret definitely has a point, like her or no. Her duplicity does not help matters, but the rinse and repeat of the past must be over. In a way, she and Richard rather agree on that point.

Well Suffolk was related to the royal line, just as a descendant of a half brother of Henry IV. Honestly I’m wondering how much all the main participants in this looked alike as they’re all effectively first/second/third cousins. It might be very difficult to establish who young “Prince” Edward’s father is if he genuinely looks a bit like Henry.
Of course you mean Somerset. Suffolk was not related to the royal line and in fact it was one of Richard's complaints against him when he received a ducal title when in the past this was only reserved for princes of the blood. However, Somerset and his Beaufort family all hold royal blood as bastard children of John of Gaunt. Thus, even if the Prince is a bastard himself, he does still have a claim. And quite true that many of these principals can trace back to some royal line. A lot of prominent noses, one expects. ;)
 
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Henry looks strong for a moment and then blinks and he's again himself.

English kings and French queen doesn't seem to match.
 
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