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However you get to the nub of it in that Edmund purposefully left Warwick out of the war council for a number of reasons. Indeed, the instructed mistrust. So too perhaps that it was not Warwick that rescued him (even though he likely had a hand in planning it.) Finally, like Edward before, Edmund is showing that he has his own mind and will not be led as Warwick might like. Hence..."Another one."

As to Edmund's military genius, or lack thereof, I would put it to his comparing his choices/decisions with Edward (or his idea of what Edward might do.) It is not a secret that he does not feel quite the equal to his older brother and may feel a sense of "imposter syndrome." One might say he is overcompensating. It worked this time, but you are right. It may not always.
To all - So this last scene might be the last of the attempts to marry real life events to what is happening in the story. I must admit, it was convoluted in my thinking as to how to do it. I needed to place things but the actors were far apart from where they were historically. In RL, Somerset died in this battle. Here, he is already dead and at Caen. In RL, Ralph Percy died in this battle. Here, he is already dead after kidnapping Edmund. The year/events matched up slightly so it made some sense to use this as a guide, but the actors are almost entirely changed from RL other than the brothers Neville (Warwick and Montagu.)
With that change, it offered a chance to build on the growing mistrust of Warwick and develop Edmund more as a character. I could have avoided the battle and used an after the fact scene to do this, but I wanted to place Edmund in the situation and show Warwick's reaction. I wanted a POV from Warwick and likely could have extended the battle for that purpose but the result of the battle really didn't matter to my thinking. It was more the reaction to the event that I wanted to highlight. Rightly? Wrongly? As always, you be the judge.
We will return to France soon enough. There was some unfinished business to the north that we needed to look at. And it does appear true (as suggested below) that no matter what Warwick does or says, it will not be good enough or accepted. That said, Richard did tell Edmund before he left to be wary of Warwick. This is part of that.Aha. Poor Warwick. He tries. And I'm many cases he has good advice. But he's off now, almost like he's trying to find contrary advice even when the plan is good.
Good to see Edmund getting a substantial victory under his belt. A rite of passage for his princely class.
Also glad to be rid of the Scots for now. How's France going?
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Likely sue for peace because this is a lost war for them. In game, they did fairly well at first (as suggested by the story) but once things were basically over in France, they did not last long.Warwick might not be loyal for much longer. Edmund should watch him closely...
Will the Scots sue for peace immediately after this battle, or will they attempt to win minor victories and salvage something more?
An extremely good point. I will say that perhaps a liked the way "question my suggestion" sounded to my ear when I wrote it. Mayhap too much?Short but sweet - the battle and the chapter.
Good to see him show steel in battle and with Warwick. The latter needs to decide whether he will serve the new King and his successors or himself. If he keeps pushing them, they will push back. And heads will end up on pikes, one way or the other.
I would advise Edmund though not to overdo it. A suggestion should be freely debatable, if done in an intimate group in private war council, but an order not so. And he was perhaps making a point to Warwick by deciding the plan without actually consulting him at all, but that could also be seen as a bit arbitrary, even spiteful. Anyway, it worked which will vindicate Ed and cause Warwick to simmer a little more. How long before he reaches boiling point?
Maybe not the wrong side of an issue but seen to be on the wrong side. At least how he sees it. I don't think it is any mystery that I am building toward a thing with Warwick (to the uninitiated, wait for it) and the way that I read it, it was not one big thing but a series of little things that lead to what is likely to happen. Maybe it won't.As others have said there is a fine line between offering advice and disobedience but I think Warwick was just the right side of it. (I do of course realise for plot reasons he must always be on the wrong side of issues).
If that is the extent of Edmund's military thinking he is going to end up on the wrong end of a deeply humiliating defeat at some point.
As to Edmund's military genius, or lack thereof, I would put it to his comparing his choices/decisions with Edward (or his idea of what Edward might do.) It is not a secret that he does not feel quite the equal to his older brother and may feel a sense of "imposter syndrome." One might say he is overcompensating. It worked this time, but you are right. It may not always.
They might have, but the Scots were pretty much spent by this point.The Scots should held a bit more, just one for Warwick to led a charge with fatal consequences for him.
Perhaps, but this is pretty much what happened in real life even if the actors and situation were a bit different.I did pause and wonder when the plan was to use their larger numbers to force through a narrow, defended pass in the middle of the enemy lines.
That was a terrible idea.
Quite. Also recall that in this timeline, the Scots are ruled by a boy King. And unlike in RL, Percy is already dead (in RL, Ralph Percy died in this battle and for some reason his dying words suggested that he had a bird in his pocket. Huh? )Agreed. It appears the Scots did not employ their schiltron to block the narrow pass and hold the moor. That could very well have produced a different result. I think the English were lucky.
Most of the decent military leaders are in France right now (save for Montagu) and Warwick, as established, was not much of a military mind. That said, Edmund might have listened to him. It worked this time, but I cannot disagree.To be fair, by the end of the Wars of the Roses, the English were genuinely much, much better at warfare than the Scots and essentially stopped losing battles to them until the war of three kingdoms two centuries later.
But the leadership could make better decisions here I think.
Once again, Edmund's comment might be stupid but it is his consideration of what Edward might have done. He showed in battle, so good on him. Especially considering he does not think much of it. What may be more important is his constant comparing of himself with his dead older brother. Warwick specifically (and rightly) calls this out in the scene.Well, Edmund's comment about outnumbering them was stupid. That's not a serious contemplative plan.
But he did appear to have chosen well in terms of who commanded the center and the wings, and it worked out well.
Rensslaer
To all - So this last scene might be the last of the attempts to marry real life events to what is happening in the story. I must admit, it was convoluted in my thinking as to how to do it. I needed to place things but the actors were far apart from where they were historically. In RL, Somerset died in this battle. Here, he is already dead and at Caen. In RL, Ralph Percy died in this battle. Here, he is already dead after kidnapping Edmund. The year/events matched up slightly so it made some sense to use this as a guide, but the actors are almost entirely changed from RL other than the brothers Neville (Warwick and Montagu.)
With that change, it offered a chance to build on the growing mistrust of Warwick and develop Edmund more as a character. I could have avoided the battle and used an after the fact scene to do this, but I wanted to place Edmund in the situation and show Warwick's reaction. I wanted a POV from Warwick and likely could have extended the battle for that purpose but the result of the battle really didn't matter to my thinking. It was more the reaction to the event that I wanted to highlight. Rightly? Wrongly? As always, you be the judge.
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