Tinto Maps #12 Germany Feedback

[GDQuirm]

How many members of these different categories are there (Prince-Elector & Archbishop-Elector, Imperial Peasant Republic, Free Imperial City, Imperial Prelate, and Imperial Prince), and which colours are which on the map? What’s the difference between the lime green and the slightly duller green many of the opms have, or are they all just free cities? What’s the dark blue? Are all Grey members still ‘imperial princes’?

 

[cumaethor]

Can't see any honeywax in the Raw goods map.
Didn't they mention that they added it as a raw good in several post before?
Maybe it's actually a manufactured good now?

There is beeswax in few locations look for dirty white color.

 

[Arthur1492]

What's happening with around Bremen and Hamburg with the Hanseatic League? In the country map mode there is a Hanseatic League tag but in the International Organisation map mode it appears as Brema.

 

[matfer13]

also they decided to not include the free city of Cologne in the end

It wasn't yet a thing in 1337

 

[nyetflix2]

Can i ask what is the logic behind high and low German languages being unified?At this point i belive it's remaining as such so it's just to understand what constitutes a whole new language and what doesn't

I agree with the unification, but I would also like to here more about the criteria

 

[magmachimera]

Harbors:
I've noticed while preparing the Feedback post that we haven't posted the Natural Harbors of Europe, so I'll prepare another separate for them!

Thats okay, here it is.
This one was in the tinto maps for the whole world.

 

[ibvfteh]

Hello, and welcome to another Tinto Maps Feedback post! Today we will look at the review of Germany, or to be more precise, the remaining lands of the HRE that were not covered in previous updates. Let's look first at the list of changes:

Spoiler: LIST OF CHANGES

ADDITIONS

Added the following:

• Locations (46 + 5 Lakes + several Wastelands)
  • Achim
  • Annaburg
  • Aschendorf
  • Baden im Aargau
  • Beichlingen
  • Bochum
  • Bonndorf
  • Bremervörde
  • Bützow
  • Delmenhorst
  • Disentis
  • Ebstorf
  • Erbach
  • Freyburg
  • Fürstenberg
  • Gotha
  • Heiligenhafen
  • Helfenstein
  • Illereichen
  • Immenstadt
  • Isenhagen
  • La Roche-sur-Foron
  • Landau
  • Lüchow
  • Malchow
  • Marienstern
  • Meinersen
  • Meisenheim
  • Neustadt an der Haardt
  • Ohrdruf
  • Oppenheim
  • Pinneberg
  • Pritzwalk
  • Sallanches
  • Saulgau
  • Solingen
  • Stockach
  • Toggenburg
  • Třeboň
  • Treuenbrietzen
  • Wertingen
  • Winsen an der Aller
  • Wittenberge
  • Wolhusen
  • Wurzen
  • Zossen
• Lakes
  • Lake Chiemsee
  • Lake Lucerne
  • Lake Müritz
  • Lake Starnberg
  • Lake Zürich
• Wastelands
  • Divided many Wastelands in more pieces.
• TAGs (52)
  • Aosta
  • Beeskow-Starkow
  • Beichlingen
  • Belmont (Switzerland)
  • Brandenburg (Bishopric)
  • Colmar (Free City)
  • Disentis
  • Ellwangen
  • Everstein
  • Falkenstein
  • Fürstenberg
  • Gleichen
  • God's House League
  • Grey League
  • Gruyère
  • Gurk
  • Hachberg (Baden)
  • Haguenau
  • Heidenheim
  • Helfenstein
  • Hohenzollern
  • Holstein Pinneberg
  • Jever
  • Kirchberg
  • Landau
  • Lebus (Bishopric)
  • Lichtenberg
  • Manderscheid
  • Meissen (Bishopric)
  • Mesocco
  • Mulhouse (Free City)
  • Murbach
  • Nassau Dillenburg
  • Nassau Idstein
  • Nassau Siegen
  • Nassau Weilburg
  • Nellenburg
  • Nidda
  • Pfalz Simmern Zweibrücken
  • Riedesel
  • Rietberg
  • Saarwerden
  • Sausenberg
  • Strasbourg (Free City)
  • Toggenburg
  • Truhendingen
  • Tübingen
  • Veldenz
  • Waldeck
  • Wernigerode
  • Wied
• Characters
  • bdb_ludwig_schenk_von_neindorf (Bishopric of Brandenburg)
  • bhl_friedrich_von_beichlingen
  • bhl_friedrich_von_bleichlingen (Count of Bleichlingen)
  • blb_stefan_ii (Bishopric of Lebus)
  • bms_withego_ii_colditz (Bishopric of Meissen)
  • gln_albrecht_ii
  • gln_albrecht_iii
  • gln_ernst_i
  • gln_ernst_ii
  • gln_ernst_iii
  • gln_ernst_iv
  • gln_ernst_v
  • gln_erwin_i
  • gln_erwin_ii
  • gln_heinrich_i
  • gln_heinrich_iii
  • gln_heinrich_iv
  • gln_herrmann_iv
  • gln_lambert_i
  • gln_lambert_ii
  • gry_agnes_de_gruyere
  • gry_catherine_de_la_tour_chatillon
  • gry_jean_de_montsalvens
  • gry_pierre_i_de_gruyere
  • gry_pierre_ii_de_gruyere
  • gry_pierre_iii_de_gruyere
  • gry_pierre_iv_de_gruyere
  • gry_rodolphe_i_de_gruyere
  • gry_ulrich_de_gruyere
  • lic_johann_i_von_lichtenberg
  • lic_johann_ii_von_lichtenberg
  • lic_ludwig_i_von_lichtenberg
  • lic_ludwig_ii_von_lichtenberg
  • lic_ludwig_iv_von_lichtenberg
  • lic_verena_von_freiburg
  • mds_adelheid_von_fischbach
  • mds_agnes_von_manderscheid
  • mds_gertrud_von_virneburg
  • mds_jutta_von_reuland
  • mds_wilhelm_i_von_manderscheid
  • mds_wilhelm_ii_von_manderscheid
  • mds_wilhelm_iii_von_manderscheid
  • mds_wilhelm_iv_von_manderscheid
  • nid_engelbert_i
  • nid_heilwig_von_isenburg
  • nid_ludwig_ii
  • nid_lukardis
  • nsa_henry_ii_nassau
  • nsa_otto_i_nassau
  • nsd_johann_i_nassau
  • nss_henry_i_nassau
  • nss_otto_ii_nassau
  • rbg_friedrich_i_von_rietberg
  • rbg_heinrich_i_von_rietberg
  • rbg_konrad_i_von_rietberg
  • rdl_elisabeth_von_eisenbach
  • rdl_hermann_i_riedesel
  • rdl_hermann_ii_riedesel
  • rdl_kraft_i_riedesel
  • tgg_adelheid_von_griessenberg
  • tgg_daughter1_von_toggenburg
  • tgg_daughter2_von_toggenburg
  • tgg_daughter3_von_toggenburg
  • tgg_diethelm_i_von_toggenburg
  • tgg_diethelm_ii_von_toggenburg
  • tgg_diethelm_v_von_toggenburg
  • vel_agnes_von_leiningen
  • vel_agnes_von_veldenz
  • vel_emicho_von_kyrburg
  • vel_georg_i_von_veldenz
  • vel_gerlach_i_von_veldenz
  • vel_gerlach_ii_von_veldenz
  • vel_gerlach_iii_von_veldenz
  • vel_gerlach_iv_von_veldenz
  • vel_gerlach_v_von_veldenz
  • vel_heinrich_ii_von_veldenz
  • vel_heinrich_von_geroldseck
  • vel_walter_von_geroldseck
  • wde_adelaide_von_kleve
  • wde_adolph_i_von_waldeck
  • wde_adolph_ii_von_waldeck
  • wde_armgard_von_waldeck
  • wde_dietrich_von_waldeck
  • wde_elisabeth_von_waldeck
  • wde_henry_iii_von_waldeck
  • wde_henry_iv_von_waldeck
  • wde_henry_v_von_waldeck
  • wde_mechthild_von_waldeck
  • wde_otto_i_von_waldeck
  • wde_otto_ii_von_waldeck
  • wgo_albrecht_v_von_wernigerode
  • wgo_gebhard_i_von_wernigerode
  • wgo_helene_von_braunschweig
  • wgo_konrad_i_von_wernigerode
  • wgo_konrad_ii_von_wernigerode
  • wgo_konrad_iii_von_wernigerode
  • wgo_konrad_iv_von_wernigerode
• Dynamic Names
  • Added Czech, German (including Lower, Central and Upper), Polabian, Rhaetian (Friulian, Ladin and Romansh) and Sorbian Dynamic Names

CORRECTIONS

Renamed the following:

• Locations (only corrections. Additionally renamed all locations to standardized form):
  • Aalen to Ellwangen
  • Aschersleben to Ballenstedt
  • Bad Hofgastein to Bischofshofen
  • Beckum to Rietberg
  • Bernkastel to Birkenfeld
  • Biedenkopf to Friedberg
  • Bílina to Husinec
  • Böblingen to Tübingen
  • Braunlage to Herzberg am Harz
  • Bruck an der Mür to Kapfenberg
  • Bulle to Gruyère
  • Coesfeld to Horstmar
  • Deggendorf to Kelheim
  • Dermbach to Aschach
  • Donauwörth to Oettingen
  • Ebermannstadt to Schesslitz
  • Erlangen to Sulzbach
  • Fritzlar to Melsungen
  • Fürth to Nagold
  • Genthin to Jerichow
  • Grafendorf to Waidhofen
  • Greifenstein to Davos
  • Gronau to Gandersheim
  • Guardaval to Zuoz
  • Ilmenau to Schleusingen
  • Imst to Landneck
  • Kadaň to Teplá
  • Kaufbeuren to Krumbach
  • Langenthal to Burgdorf
  • Lambach to Ischl
  • Lüdinghausen to Dulmen
  • Mariazell to Scheibbs
  • Montabaur to Wied
  • Münsingen to Sigmaringen
  • Olpe to Attendorn
  • Pfarrkirchen to Griesbach
  • Rees to Wesel
  • Rüdesheim to Katzenelnbogen
  • St. Wendel to Lichtenberg
  • Schotten to Nidda
  • Schwarzenberg to Sayda
  • Sonneberg to Saalfeld
  • Steinfurt to Rheine
  • Tábor to Jindřichův Hradec
  • Tuttlingen to Hohenberg
  • Vall d'Ossola to Domodossola
  • Vilsbiburg to Burghausen
  • Vohenstrauß to Leuchtenberg
  • Wangen to Waldburg
  • Westerstede to Friesoythe
  • Zug to Kyburg

TAGs

• Removed (18)
  • Apolda
  • Biel/Bienne
  • Böbingen
  • Brückenau
  • Calw
  • Donauwörth
  • Eppstein
  • Hof
  • Kaufbeuren
  • Kevernburg
  • Lüdinghausen
  • Minden
  • Offenbach
  • Parsberg
  • Schlusselberg
  • Steinfurt
  • Wangen
  • Zeven

Raw Goods

• Changed several Raw Goods as suggested

Terrain and Vegetation

• Total Review

Locations

• Redrew several Locations

And now, to the maps!

Countries:
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The first map with no colored wastelands, the second with colored wastelands, and the third, we are showing the entire territory of the HRE, not only Germany.

HRE IO:
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This is the updated HRE IO map, with the different categories (Prince-Elector & Archbishop-Elector, Imperial Peasant Republic, Free Imperial City, Imperial Prelate, and Imperial Prince). As usual, take the map mode as WIP (you may notice that it has already changed since the original Tinto Maps post, making it easier to read).

And here you have the current total number of members:

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Not all the countries appear in this box, you have to scroll a bit in-game to be able to see the remaining ones.​

Locations:
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Provinces:
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One of our German content designers has reworked the provinces. We've tried to get a balance between those that could directly translate to English, such as the different provinces of Styria, and those that couldn't be translated easily; so for a native German speaker, some will sound a bit weird, but we've tried to be consistent with how we manage it in general.

Areas:
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Terrain:
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A bunch of changes after your feedback, especially on the Vegetation.

Development:
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Harbors:
I've noticed while preparing the Feedback post that we haven't posted the Natural Harbors of Europe, so I'll prepare another separate for them!

Cultures:
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There are some adjustments to the cultures, but not big changes.

Languages:
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The first map is the dominant languages, the second is the dialects (which, I remind you, is primarily used for flavour, and close to the 'language' linguistical definition), and the third is the court language.

Religions:
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Not many changes in the religious map, only a few Waldensians were added to Austria.

Raw Materials:
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Lots of changes!

Markets:
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We haven't changed the market centers, you may notice some differences with the Tinto Maps post, which depend on the constant balancing we keep doing to this feature.

And that's all for today! Remember that on Friday we will be taking a look at a German country, Bavaria. Cheers!

incredibly sad that Coblenz crosses the river

There was a lot of arguments against that

 

[nyetflix2]

Wouldn't Carniola be a more historic name for the Slovenia area? Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Wildrake]

Markish and Brandenburgish are literally the same thing. Angrian also is not a thing and should be divided between Eastphalian and Westphalian

 

[Pavía]

whats this country with the funny shape?
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whats this location name, should be Wolin
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@Pavía

1. Württemberg.
2. Świnoujście // Swinemünde.

 

[Silver_Falcon]

Very happy with the new political situation in Alsace. It's a good balance between accuracy and playability IMO.

 

[Polesie Admiral]

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People who are still waiting for the British isles feedback

dude, im here waiting for the Levant remaining map modes

 

[Palando]

What tag is P.S.Z.? It owns Simmern.

 

[matfer13]

What's happening with around Bremen and Hamburg with the Hanseatic League? In the country map mode there is a Hanseatic League tag but in the International Organisation map mode it appears as Brema.

They are vassals of the Hansa

 

[Pavía]

Yikes, what happened to the color scheme of the terrain map mode?

Flatland - plateau is totally indistinguishable for me (probably a color blind thing once again?).
Is Plateau green now?

At risk of sounding like a broken record: green-yellow-orange is near-impossible color scheme for the majority of colorblind people.
About 1/12 men has colorblindness. Considering the PDX game demographic, 1/12 players will have issues with these colors.

Regardless of color, flatlands-plateau really needs a better contrast (imo there was nothing wrong with the previous scheme, was the previous color scheme really that poorly received?)

EDIT - color blindness simulation

Normal vision	Red weak/blindness simulation	Green weak/blindness simulation	Blue weak/blindness simulation
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	red blind View attachment 1255502	green blind View attachment 1255500	blue blind View attachment 1255503

Noted, we will take a look at it to improve it, thanks!

 

[Wildrake]

Schleswig should be somewhat more Danish in 1337

 

[Apukispay]

Looks great! any clue as to how long the next feedback post is gonna take or which area will it cover?

 

[Korsjan Rīkis]

I think there were a lot of questions for Angrian and Markish/Brandenburgish (there should be only one of them).

In what way they have been addressed?

Many people argue it is an incorrect division
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Also South Franconian area should be under East Franconian. Thuringian could be split from Saxon. Is there a need for Angrian culture?

 

[Pavía]

Good to see that you added Pistoia in Tuscany like I suggested! Can you also make Prato a vassal of Naples too?

Prato is ruled by King Robert of Anjou.

 

[Koiodoros]

I hope a second quick review of the Low Countries will be done, as it was the first Tinto Maps and review, thus had no standard to be compared to (even though I understand that the priority for this is probably for after every other region has been reviewed). When it comes to changes to the Dutch German border. I don't understand why Kleve and Wesel are in different provinces/areas. A better division would be Kleve and Wezel in Niederrhein and Geldern to Limbourg (the name is still anachronistic and should be Opper-Gelre). This might leave Gladbach isolated, but that location could just as well be in the Julïch province.