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It's a mondegrin.
There is a local river called "Ust'ya" (Устья). A separate provincial entity is a historically correct observation: it was called "Ustya volosts". Allegedly, the province didn't extend this far North (didn't reach the Dvina river).
But Shenkursk province: it looks like it was usually called Vaga province instead. Shenkursk is consistently mentioned as a smaller administrative division than Vaga. This way, the borders won't need re-drawing: Vaga location will be included in Vaga province. One caveat: there might be other Vaga places in the world already.

This webpage contains a book with a few relevant maps:
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Perhaps it will be useful, I tried outlining uezds from those maps for the north
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1 - Kargopol, 2 - Dvinsky, 3 - Vazhsky, 4 - Ustyansky, 5 - Kevrol, 6 - Mezen, 7 - Yarensk, 8 - Sol Vychegodskaya, 9 - Cherdyn
(Some are named after towns in them)

I tried using the already created locations there

3 and 4 definitely should be merged

Also, a lot of aesthetic choices can be made (Pokshenga to 5, Yarensk to 8, Pinega to 6, Ust-Kulom to 9)
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I think all of that can be united into one area called Zavolochye (without 9)
 

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I think all of that can be united into one area called Zavolochye? (without 9)
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I'm skeptical. It would be a very large area. Too large.
It also has an impact on neighbouring areas. I've added some borders of their borders: Karelia gets Zaonezh'ye, Beloozero and Totma lose chunks, Ust-Sysola loses Ust-Sysola and keeps a narrow band of land between Vyatka and various permian areas.

The provinces are large, too:
1) 12 locs
2) 12 locs
3) 15 locs
5) 7 locs
6) 12 locs
7) 8 locs
8) 6 locs
9) 7 locs
Lalsk is reduced to a rump of 4 locs, meanwhile.
 
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I'm skeptical. It would be a very large area. Too large.
It also has an impact on neighbouring areas. I've added some borders of their borders: Karelia gets Zaonezh'ye, Beloozero and Totma lose chunks, Ust-Sysola loses Ust-Sysola and keeps a narrow band of land between Vyatka and various permian areas.

The provinces are large, too:
1) 12 locs
2) 12 locs
3) 15 locs
5) 7 locs
6) 12 locs
7) 8 locs
8) 6 locs
9) 7 locs
Lalsk is reduced to a rump of 4 locs, meanwhile.
Yes, but it joins my other comments about the region

1. there should be more wastelands. As no one lived there and no one crossed the land by foot (boats were used by Novgorod people)
I think a few more impassable wastelands should be added in the areas where no one lived even in the 19th century
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Maybe something like this? I do now think Luda and Nyonoksa should be removed back

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Map is here

Here is a small article about Novgorod's colonisation around Lake Onega. It states that those lands were traversed only by boats in rivers. So there is no need for connection between majority of those locations.
2. Locations should be bigger in general. I don’t understand this fragmentation in those lands. I think my simulation of historical Uezd borders kinda supports that.

3. The Novgorod area is as big as this one, which is good. (You can cut out Pskov, and it would be perfect). So I think this area can have some wiggle room

About areas. I’m WIP in them. My future proposal doesn’t have Ust-Sysola for now, it is all Perm.
The lands in that strip were Vyatskoe Zavolochye. So it can join either of them
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And Lalsk and Podosinovets can be part of whatever Veliky Ustug is a part of
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Yes, but it joins my other comments about the region

1. there should be more wastelands. As no one lived there and no one crossed the land by foot (boats were used by Novgorod people)

2. Locations should be bigger in general. I don’t understand this fragmentation in those lands. I think my simulation of historical Uezd borders kinda supports that.

3. The Novgorod area is as big as this one, which is good. (You can cut out Pskov, and it would be perfect). So I think this area can have some wiggle room

About areas. I’m WIP in them. My future proposal doesn’t have Ust-Sysola for now, it is all Perm.
The lands in that strip were Vyatskoe Zavolochye. So it can join either of them
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And Lalsk and Podosinovets can be part of whatever Veliky Ustug is a part of
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I disagree, I don't think big locations are preferable at all for gameplay reasons alone. In fact I don't think the location density is too bad considering the fact that it is not meant to just represent the early 14th century but also allow for the situation in the 18th century as well which your map also shows. The location density of Arkhangelsk and Vologda areas is quite good in my opinion.
 
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I disagree, I don't think big locations are preferable at all for gameplay reasons alone. In fact I don't think the location density is too bad considering the fact that it is not meant to just represent the early 14th century but also allow for the situation in the 18th century as well which your map also shows. The location density of Arkhangelsk and Vologda areas is quite good in my opinion.
I find your argument a bit contradictory.

For me, a lot of game locations that were not populated in the 18th century should not be represented at all.
And if we strip the uninhabited lands, locations can be merged a bit to create a better coverage.

So situation in 18th century is precicely the fact why locations should be more consolidated, there is just so many "partial" locations if you take out the wasteland

take a look into this population map of 18th century
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Lands between Arkhangelsk and Onega are not populated, than why should locations of Sheleksa, Malye Oserki, Vaymuga even exist there? Cutting some of them out and merging parts of the others we can show:
1. Why Novgorod people travaled only by rivers and didnt just walk
2. Historical population settlement patterns over entire game period


Here is an example of what I mean:
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I have marked what I would propose to merge into one location for sure with pink. With black, I covered wastelands i believe should be there. Overall density stays the same, but there is just much more intricate. Blue is proposed province borders and red are areas.

And if those areas need to be filled - it is better to pad after merging rather than creating new locations, wich in the result will make locations bigger. But it will be similar to neighbouring Perm represenattion

It is always hard to be the guy to say "remove the content", but here it is just unnecessary and only hinders creation of historically based provinces and areas
 
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I find your argument a bit contradictory.

For me, a lot of game locations that were not populated in the 18th century should not be represented at all.
And if we strip the uninhabited lands, locations can be merged a bit to create a better coverage.

So situation in 18th century is precicely the fact why locations should be more consolidated, there is just so many "partial" locations if you take out the wasteland

take a look into this population map of 18th century

Lands between Arkhangelsk and Onega are not populated, than why should locations of Sheleksa, Malye Oserki, Vaymuga even exist there? Cutting some of them out and merging parts of the others we can show:
1. Why Novgorod people travaled only by rivers and didnt just walk
2. Historical population settlement patterns over entire game period


Here is an example of what I mean:
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I have marked what I would propose to merge into one location for sure with pink. With black I covered wastelands i believe should be there. Overall density stays the same, but there is just much more intricate. Blue is proposed province borders and red are areas.

And if those areas need to be filled - it is better to pad after merging rather than creating new locations, wich in the result will make locations bigger. But it will be similar to neighbouring Perm represenattion

It is always hard to be the guy to say "remove the content", but here it is just unnecessary and only hinders creation of historically based provinces and areas
Why did you remove Shenkursk it existed at game start. Shardonem and Verkola should not be united since Shardonem is attested and according to you it's where Kevrola should be. I also would not merge Ust-Pinega and Kholmogory either, it doesn't really make sense when both are attested settlements and Dvina is supposed to be more densely populated. And the rest of the unifications are also across the Dvina river so I don't really see the point in doing that, it just removes locations for the sake of doing that. You might be able to convince me on the western wasteland between Onega and Arkhangelsk but on your map there is a settlement in there.

Also I don't think it's necessary to include Mezen and Vychegda basins in the Zavolochye area, they're different concepts altogether and weren't settled by Novgorodians at game start.
 
In fact I think you need a location between Arkhangelsk and Verhknyaya Zolotitsa to have those as part of the same province. And there are settlements in that region.
 
Shardonem and Verkola should not be united since Shardonem is attested and according to you it's where Kevrola should be.
Yes, one location named Kevrola
it doesn't really make sense when both are attested settlements and Dvina is supposed to be more densely populated. And the rest of the unifications are also across the Dvina river so I don't really see the point in doing that, it just removes locations for the sake of doing that.
What is an "attested settlement", and how does it influence the decision of locations? How many attested settlements are there in locations like Moscow, Kyiv? How many of the attested settlements are in locations of China? (I bet there is one with more than 100)

Must every attested settlement have a dedicated location?

I believe you are falling into a fallacy of every other Tinto Maps/Feedback thread. Every existing village will not be represented in EU5, 6, and even 7. The existence of one village in "no one knows where" does not advocate for creating a location.

What we should operate with is a density and general feel for locations (more or less one size)

The Northern Dvina is not a big river; the Volga is. However, the location of Kozmodemyansk crosses this river. The fact is, there are a lot of locations over rivers, especially for small ones.
The neighbouring Onega location crosses the river of Onega. Is it bad?
Perhaps the reason for removing locations for the sake of it is not a noble one, however, there must be limits, reasons and rules to create every location. And I don't see anything here to make locations work

Yes, a lot of settlements will be lost, that's the limit of representation. Something is sacrificed to make the game work at all.

Also I don't think it's necessary to include Mezen and Vychegda basins in the Zavolochye area, they're different concepts altogether and weren't settled by Novgorodians at game start.
Borders change with time. Some say it is here, some say it is not. I wanted to depict the Novgorod colonisation area in general (so it is the maximum extent of it)
Literally here (Wikipedia sample), it says the Vichegda basin is Zavolochye. So, not so different anymore?
Понятие «Заволочья» изменялось по мере продвижения новгородских владений. Сперва это была страна за ближайшим волоком озерного бассейна, потом область за Двиной, по Вычегде, потом, наконец, бассейн Печоры. Заволочье в первом смысле занято новгородцами только во второй половине XI в.; только с середины XII в. новгородцы стали твердой ногой на правом берегу Двины; и только еще столетием позже, к середине XIII в., власть новгородцев над населением Печорского края может считаться упроченной;
Perhaps Zavolochye can be only Mezen, Pechora basins, while Onega and Northern Dvina: Pomorye
 
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Yes, one location named Kevrola

What is an "attested settlement", and how does it influence the decision of locations? How many attested settlements are there in locations like Moscow, Kyiv? How many of the attested settlements are in locations of China? (I bet there is one with more than 100)

Must every attested settlement have a dedicated location?

I believe you are falling into a fallacy of every other Tinto Maps/Feedback thread. Every existing village will not be represented in EU5, 6, and even 7. The existence of one village in "no one knows where" does not advocate for creating a location.

What we should operate with is a density and general feel for locations (more or less one size)

The Northern Dvina is not a big river; the Volga is. However, the location of Kozmodemyansk crosses this river. The fact is, there are a lot of locations over rivers, especially for small ones.
The neighbouring Onega location crosses the river of Onega. Is it bad?
Perhaps the reason for removing locations for the sake of it is not a noble one, however, there must be limits, reasons and rules to create every location. And I don't see anything here to make locations work

Yes, a lot of settlements will be lost, that's the limit of representation. Something is sacrificed to make the game work at all.


Borders change with time. Some say it is here, some say it is not. I wanted to depict the Novgorod colonisation area in general (so it is the maximum extent of it)
Literally here (Wikipedia sample), it says the Vichegda basin is Zavolochye. So, not so different anymore?

Perhaps Zavolochye can be only Mezen, Pechora basins, while Onega and Northern Dvina: Pomorye
I'd just use Pechora and Vychegda for their areas to clear out confusion. Classical Zavolochye already uses different names for their areas so putting it in the regions where it advanced the latest in it's use is not really appropriate in my opinion.
 
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Solvychegodsk is actually closer to the mouth of Vychegda than Koryazhma so I think this is better.
Nice one, however, I guess the two of us have completely different tastes in area sizes.

The one thing I fear is that in your proposal, the Beloozero area will be too large compared to Ustug. And there are questions about what to do in Ust-Sysola
 
Nice one, however, I guess the two of us have completely different tastes in area sizes.

The one thing I fear is that in your proposal, the Beloozero area will be too large compared to Ustug. And there are questions about what to do in Ust-Sysola
I made a suggestion on the Vychegda region aeons ago I should probably take another look at that.

I think one could keep Kargopol in Belo Ozero or Pomorye and merge Vologda and Velsk with Ustyug to make one big Vologda area.
 
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Here is my view of the areas

bonuses of my approach:
  • Not a lot of changes
  • Proportional size
  • Historical basis of the uezd division of the early Russian Kingdom

How I got there
Smolensk, Moscow,and Tver stay as is
Oka gains Yelets as It was controlled by Karachev principality
Beloozero looses Velsk to Pomorye as a general province of Vazhskaya zemla
Novgorod gains Bezhetsk(Gorodetsk) as it was always part of it and pyatina there is called Bezhetskaya (there definitely should be a revision of names for Tverskaya, Bezhetskaya and Bezhetsk)
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There is a possibility to release Pskov from Novgorod
Also, was Sebech part of Novgorod or Pskov? I dont think it should be part of those areas and instead be part of White Ruthenia
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Karelia stops bieng anahronistic, now it is inspired by Olonets uezd borders
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the precise border with Novgorod depends one how devs want to represent it
there was a lot of suggestions in general to make this area more historical, here for example
I was happily surprised when I noticed that the provinces of Novgorod were reworked to match the historical pyatinas. However, the provinces in Karelia and Kola could be improved a bit to have more historical borders and flavorful names.

First, I want to comment on the provinces belonging to the historical Obonezhskaya Pyatina:
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Currently, the in-game province borders follow the historical pyatina very closely, apart from the part in the northwest. Interestingly, the location borders here are still drawn according to the historical border of the pyatina, so there are probably reasons why the historical border wasn't followed. I still think that this should be fixed to match the historical accuracy of the rest of the provinces in Novgorod. This could maybe be done by expanding Pomorye to the west, as the historical Pomor Coast reached all the way west to the Kem river. The Äänisniemi/Zaonezhye peninsula could be given to Aunus Karelia though, as its considered part of the Aunus region.

Relating to the Zaonezhye peninsula, the devs seem to have misinterpreted it as a region on the eastern coast of Lake Onega. In reality the name refers to the peninsula on the northwestern part of the lake, with the Finnish name Äänisniemi literally meaning "Onega Peninsula".
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This creates the question of what the current Zaonezhye province should be called. Unfortunately I don't know enough about this region to give a good answer, so take what I say next with a grain of salt. One option would be to name it Pudoga, after the Pudozhsky Uyezd established in 1785. However, I also found a source according to which this area was called Obonezhye, the same name which also refers to the entire Obonezhskaya Pyatina (Obonezhskaya apparently means "the area around Lake Onega").

If Zaonezhye were to be renamed to Obonezhye, then the current Obonezhkaya province should probably be renamed too. Similarly to the current Zaonezhye province, it could maybe be named Lodeynoye Pole after the Lodeynopolsky Uyezd established also in 1785. A thing to also consider is that the border of the two halves of Obonezhkaya Pyatina, the southern Nagornaya half and the northern Zaonezhskaya half (also known as Zaonezhskie Pogosty), ran through this area, though the border was apparently a little unclear. Perhaps the province could just be divided between the surrounding provinces according to this border?
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On this map the halves of Obonezhkaya Pyatina are referred to in Finnish as "Ylämaan puoli" and "Äänisniemen pogosta(t)".

Returning to the northwest, the inner parts of East Karelia are currently rather plainly divided between "Inner Aunus Karelia" and "Inner White Karelia". While the provinces are fine, a more flavorful setup would be to have a province based on the historical Lopskie Pogosty region (also known as "Leshaya Lop'", and, at least in Finnish historiography, "Novgorod Lapland" and "Forest Lapland"). The name means "Lapp Pogosts", referring to the Sámi inhabiting the region before it was colonized by the Karelians. The borders of Lopskie Pogosty can be seen on the map above (purple). Note that Suiku was separated from the province around the year 1600.

For Kola, I was able to find a way to divide it in a way very close to the current division. According to Wikipedia, the Sámi dominated pogosts of the Kolsky Uyezd were categorized into three groups (according to saami.su these divisions were known in the 17th and early 18th centuries). The groups were: Terskaya Lapps in the area closely corresponding to current North Kola, Konchanskaya Lapps in the area closely corresponding to the current Western Kola and Leshaya Lapps in the remaining small area west of Kantalahti. As far as I understood, these terms referred to actual geographic areas in addition to their inhabitants. In Russian these are "Terskaya Lop'", "Konchanskaya Lop'" and "Leshaya Lop'". While Leshaya Lop' would be too small to include, North and Western Kola could easily be renamed Terskaya and Konchanskaya Lop', with small border changes to match the historical areas better. More information about the areas can be found on their corresponding pages on saami.su (Terskaya, Konchanskaya, Leshaya).

Another perhaps more intuitive option could be to name West and North Kola after the older two Novgorodian volosts: Kolo and Tre. They seemed to have similar borders to the Sámi groupings and Kolo/Kola would be a more recognizable name. Tre is a variant of Ter, which is the old name of the Kola Peninsula.
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Historical map of the Kola Peninsula from this page. Brown is Koncahnskaya Lop', orange is Terskaya Lop', yellow is Leshaya Lop' and red are the Russian and Karelian settlements. The black dots represent uyezd borders.

The situation in south Kola is slightly less clean. The southern coast of the Kola Peninsula is known as the Tersky Coast ("Tersky Bereg" in Russian). According to Wikipedia it encompasses the coast between the mouth of the Varzuga river and Cape Svyatoy Nos. However, according to other sources, such as the map below depicting the historical coasts of the White Sea, the Tersky Coast would've reached all the way west to Umba (Source for the map).
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Most importantly, the Tersky Coast originally remained outside Kolsky Uyezd and was rather part of the Dvinsky Uyezd. This can be seen on old maps, such as this one from Wikipedia:
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As such, Tersky Coast would make a lot of sense as a province. It would basically correspond to the current South Kola province, but without Raivke and Kantalahti.

This leaves us with the area between Kem and Kantalahti, for which I unfortunately wasn't able to find any matching administrative divisions from the time period of the game. There was the Kemsky Uyezd established in 175, which (came to) encompass the area (including the northern parts of the Lopskie Pogosty). I'm saying came to because many older maps of it don't seem to show it with Kantalahti, instead Kantalahti was part of the Kolsky Uyezd at the time. One flavorful historical name for the southern part of the area was Karel'sky Bereg (in English "the Karelian Coast"). The coast near Kanatahti on the other hand was known as the Kantalahti Coast. Though I have no objectively good name for the area, I like Karel'sky Bereg.

Putting these ideas together, here's how an improved province setup could look like. It's not perfect, and I hope that people who possibly know more would give their input. My understanding of East Karelian administrative history isn't nearly as deep as Finnish administrative history.
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I drew the border according to existing location borders, but the borders of Lopskie Pogosty could be tweaked to match the historical ones. I also gave Alakurtti to Kemi Lappmark to match the Swedish-Russian border that eventually developed there. I also renamed Aunus Karelia to the Russian Olonets. Ideally Alakurtti and other Finnish Lapland locations should also be reworked to match historical Sámi siidas, like I suggested in my Scandinavia feedback post, but that will hopefully be addressed in the Scandinavia feedback ;).

Edit: I added the Obonezhkaya province back with the name Mezhozerye, which seemed to roughly refer to the territory of the province. (Post where I explained it)

I also have a few small comments about Kola, which I said on a post on the Scandinavia thread with better explanations:
  • Prirechnyi is too recent and should be merged with Petsamo.
  • I wasn't able to identify Koliskoj. It might refer to the siida of Kuolajärvi, but that would be on the Finnish side of the border. A better name would be Hirvasjärvi (Rus: Girvasozero, Akkala Sámi: Sââ´rvesjäu´rr).
  • Mootka is misspelled and it should be Muotka.
  • Kola should be Kuola in Finnish. (Assuming that all the location names in Kola are in Finnish. Hopefully they will be given Sámi names too when a Sámi language is added.)
  • The area of Kiestinki used to have a Sámi siida, which in North Sámi was known as Oaivejávri (in another Sámi language its name is Bejauri, but I'm not sure which language). Perhaps this could be the used for the Sámi name of the location?

I also collected some sources for Sámi location names when working on Scandinavia feedback. Hopefully they'll be helpful:

Pomorye gains Vaga and looses Pudoga. Now it is an amolgomation of Kargopol, Dvina and Vaga+Ustya uezds. So this area:
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With Zavolochye I went with Mezen, Kevrol, Sol vichegodskaya, Yarensk and Pustozersk uezds
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Galich and Ustug take Galich, Ustug, Totma uezds
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It says that Unzha and Buy should be parts of Galish, however Principlaities of Kostroma nad Nizhny novgorod controlled those locations at the strt date and further. Call should be made by the devs

Nizhny Novgorod is based on those Uezds (Urevets and Nizhny Novgorod)
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Yarolslavl and Vladimir areas:
1. I dont really like having Areas sucked from fungers (Suzdal - 9 locations, 3 provinces) it was a compeptotor with Vladimir for control of this area, THe principlaity was called Vladimir-Suzdal by historians because the capital moved between those cities. I believe its better to have the joined and Suzdal province should have all location of the area
2. Yarolsavl takes Rostov because it was given to Konstantin and not Yaroslav (Kostroma was not but here my reasonong breaks down)
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alternative would be to have Rostov in Vladimir, but than Yaroslavl is too small
also double names are accepted here
Vladimir-Suzdal and Yaroslavl-Rostov are also good

Ryazan has areas of Rayzan and Murom and no longer owns Penza (this was TOO much)

Vyatka is inspired by Vyatka governorate
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anachronic but the best fit in this division. It is also supported by Uezds of Orlov, Khlynov(Vyatka), Slobodskoi, Urzhum, Kaigorod (Koygorodok) and Kotelnich
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Perm now resembles historical area of great Perm
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Volga Bulgaria is self explanitory and not this thread,
 
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Here is my view of the areas

bonuses of my approach:
  • Not a lot of changes
  • Proportional size
  • Historical basis on uezd division of early Russian Kingdom

How I got there
Smolensk, Moscow,and Tver stay as is
Oka gains Yelets as It was controlled by Karachev principality
Beloozero looses Velsk to Pomorye as a general province of Vazhskaya zemla
Novgorod gains Bezhetsk(Gorodetsk) as it was always part of it and pyatina there is called Bezhetskaya (there definitely should be a revision of names for Tverskaya, Bezhetskaya and Bezhetsk)
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There is a possibility to release Pskov from Novgorod
Also, was Sebech part of Novgorod or Pskov? I dont think it should be part of those areas and instead be part of White Ruthenia
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Karelia stops bieng anahronistic, now it is inspired by Olonets uezd borders
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the precise border with Novgorod depends one how devs want to represent it
there was a lot of suggestions in general to make this area more historical, here for example


Pomorye gains Vaga and looses Pudoga. Now it is an amolgomation of Kargopol, Dvina and Vaga+Ustya uezds. So this area:
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With Zavolochye I went with Mezen, Kevrol, Sol vichegodskaya, Yarensk and Pustozersk uezds
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Galich and Ustug take Galich, Ustug, Totma uezds
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It says that Unzha and Buy should be parts of Galish, however Principlaities of Kostroma nad Nizhny novgorod controlled those locations at the strt date and further. Call should be made by the devs

Nizhny Novgorod is based on those Uezds (Urevets and Nizhny Novgorod)
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Yarolslavl and Vladimir areas:
1. I dont really like having Areas sucked from fungers (Suzdal - 9 locations, 3 provinces) it was a compeptotor with Vladimir for control of this area, THe principlaity was called Vladimir-Suzdal by historians because the capital moved between those cities. I believe its better to have the joined and Suzdal province should have all location of the area
2. Yarolsavl takes Rostov because it was given to Konstantin and not Yaroslav (Kostroma was not but here my reasonong breaks down)
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alternative would be to have Rostov in Vladimir, but than Yaroslavl is too small
also double names are accepted here
Vladimir-Suzdal and Yaroslavl-Rostov are also good

Ryazan has areas of Rayzan and Murom and no longer owns Penza (this was TOO much)

Vyatka is inspired by Vyatka governorate
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anachronic but the best fit in this division. It is also supported by Uezds of Orlov, Khlynov(Vyatka), Slobodskoi, Urzhum, Kaigorod (Koygorodok) and Kotelnich
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Perm now resembles historical area of great Perm
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Volga Bulgaria is self explanitory and not this thread,
Koygorodok is not Kaigorod on the Kama rather it is Koygorodok on the Sysola. In fact I think Uzhga would be more appropriate as it is older.
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Here is my view of the areas

bonuses of my approach:
  • Not a lot of changes
  • Proportional size
  • Historical basis of the uezd division of the early Russian Kingdom

How I got there
Smolensk, Moscow,and Tver stay as is
Oka gains Yelets as It was controlled by Karachev principality
Beloozero looses Velsk to Pomorye as a general province of Vazhskaya zemla
Novgorod gains Bezhetsk(Gorodetsk) as it was always part of it and pyatina there is called Bezhetskaya (there definitely should be a revision of names for Tverskaya, Bezhetskaya and Bezhetsk)
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There is a possibility to release Pskov from Novgorod
Also, was Sebech part of Novgorod or Pskov? I dont think it should be part of those areas and instead be part of White Ruthenia
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Karelia stops bieng anahronistic, now it is inspired by Olonets uezd borders
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the precise border with Novgorod depends one how devs want to represent it
there was a lot of suggestions in general to make this area more historical, here for example


Pomorye gains Vaga and looses Pudoga. Now it is an amolgomation of Kargopol, Dvina and Vaga+Ustya uezds. So this area:
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With Zavolochye I went with Mezen, Kevrol, Sol vichegodskaya, Yarensk and Pustozersk uezds
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Galich and Ustug take Galich, Ustug, Totma uezds
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It says that Unzha and Buy should be parts of Galish, however Principlaities of Kostroma nad Nizhny novgorod controlled those locations at the strt date and further. Call should be made by the devs

Nizhny Novgorod is based on those Uezds (Urevets and Nizhny Novgorod)
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Yarolslavl and Vladimir areas:
1. I dont really like having Areas sucked from fungers (Suzdal - 9 locations, 3 provinces) it was a compeptotor with Vladimir for control of this area, THe principlaity was called Vladimir-Suzdal by historians because the capital moved between those cities. I believe its better to have the joined and Suzdal province should have all location of the area
2. Yarolsavl takes Rostov because it was given to Konstantin and not Yaroslav (Kostroma was not but here my reasonong breaks down)
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alternative would be to have Rostov in Vladimir, but than Yaroslavl is too small
also double names are accepted here
Vladimir-Suzdal and Yaroslavl-Rostov are also good

Ryazan has areas of Rayzan and Murom and no longer owns Penza (this was TOO much)

Vyatka is inspired by Vyatka governorate
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anachronic but the best fit in this division. It is also supported by Uezds of Orlov, Khlynov(Vyatka), Slobodskoi, Urzhum, Kaigorod (Koygorodok) and Kotelnich
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Perm now resembles historical area of great Perm
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Volga Bulgaria is self explanitory and not this thread,
made a few changes with the Ryazan area border and Perm and Vyatka areas border

Now Ryazan doesn't have Kadom, so River Mukhsha is fully in the Mukhsha area
Perm now includes the Osa location, and Vyatka got one
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The map is updated in the previous post
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made a few changes with the Ryazan area border and Perm and Vyatka areas border

Now Ryazan doesn't have Kadom, so River Mukhsha is fully in the Mukhsha area
Perm now includes the Osa location, and Vyatka got one
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The map is updated in the previous post
The location of Sargatsky is across the Kama river. Also I don't think Osa or Yelovo were part of Perm. Also I think Yugra is a more appropriate term for Mangaseya as opposed to random small town on the arctic coast.
 
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The location of Sargatsky is across the Kama river. Also I don't think Osa or Yelovo were part of Perm. Also I think Yugra is a more appropriate term for Mangaseya as opposed to random small town on the arctic coast.
Locations were not a part of anything in particular until the Russian Empire assigned them to the Perm Governorate. Like the only other possibility is Baskiria but it is much worse. Fixed the rest in my post (don't want to spam the same map for 100th time)
 
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