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You and Cuke completely missed my point.
The names of the cultures 'Novgorodian' or (God forbid) 'Muscovite' are too narrow to describe the culture of other Russian principalities.
I don't see any problem in calling Neapolitan and Sicilian cultures southern Italian.
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Actually, you missed my point too.
I'm strongly against cardinal directions in names.
You asked to make a choice between two options. I chose the one without cardinal directions <because cardinal directions are cringe>.
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That's because you are not familiar with cultural linguistics.
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I prefer the approach in which cultures are viewed as sets is based on the concept that each culture can be represented as a set of characteristics, traditions, customs, and values. In this context, more general cultures can be seen as unions of a multitude of more specific cultures, which are subsets.
For example, one can represent "European" culture as a general set that includes subsets such as "French," "Italian," "German," and so on. Each of these subsets has its unique traits but also shares some common elements that allow them to be part of a broader category.
This approach allows for a better understanding of cultural diversity and the interconnections between different cultures. It also helps to identify common features and differences.
Are Neapolitan and Sicilian cultures subsets of Southern Italian culture? - Yes = no problem.
Is Rostov culture a subset of Novgorodian culture? - No = problem.
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But this is already represented in the game with things like languages, language families, culture groups, etc. I don't think it's worth inventing new names for every culture based on geography, that would get messy very fast compared to the current names we can just look up on google.
Also, I want to mention that Northern Russian and Novgorodian are not equivalent concepts (ignoring things like what they called themselves, by that logic Greek should be East Roman), "Old Novgorodian" is an extinct language spoken in 1300 and "Northern Russian" is the name of a modern dialect
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Rostov isn't Novgorodian on this map either, it is Muscovite, I don't know where you get this idea. Some of land Rostov owns near border with Novgoroid is Novgorodian but it is solely because those lands were first claimed by Novgorodian pirates.
"French", "Italian" and "German" are more modern notions and even now there are still regional identites like "Bavarian" or "Lombardian" or "Neapolitan" or "Picardian". In 1337 those regional identities were stronger than today. In case of Novgorod, the identity of "Novgorodian Rus" was separate from identity of "Great Rus" or "Rostov-Suzdal land".
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The distinction between language and dialect is actually arbitrary in most cases, this is like linguistics 101. What is today known as French, Italian and Spanish languages previously was a dialect continuum of Romance dialects. Some of those dialects became languages purely because Spanish, French and Italian states chose so.
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Did you even read my comment. It is not two Rostovs, it is one Rostov that owns two disconnected pieces of land. Rostov itself is Muscovite culture while its northern enclave is Velikiy Ustyug land. Ustyug land was colonized by Novgorodian pirates, therefore it is Novgorodian.
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These are details that are not important in this matter. Replace Rostov with Pskov and anwser the question: Is the Pskov culture a subset of the Novgorod culture?
Or is the Rostov culture a subset of the Muscovite culture?
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Pskov (Pleskov in native Pskovian) together with Novgorodian form Novgorodian-Pskov dialect according to Andrey Zaliznyak, which oftenly refered to just Old Novgorodian for convenience.
Some of unique features of Novgorodian-Pskovian are still present as isoglosses in the modern Russian dialect continuum.
So, yeah, it is kinda accurate to make Pskov Novgorodian.
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They had thier own dialect (ru wiki).
Also speaking one language / dialect does not make Pskov culture a subset of the Novgorod culture.
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On Wikipedia it is marked as a sub-dialect of Old Novgorodian, which it is. This is the point, even if they originally were two sub-dialects of Novgorodian-Pskovian, Novgorodian, by 1337, influenced it to the point that Pskovian became subdialect of Novgorodian.
If you want to endlessly separate cultures for each settlement it is up to you, but Novgorodian culture, as it is, is accurate.
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@Pavía Actually, what is Tinto policy on small, post-1337 TAGs? These principalities are, basically, the result of feudal inheritance divided among sons/nephews. Such practice is not unheard of across the world for another century or two.
You are in agreement with Sandro here. It's Tinto (and the community by crowdsourcing) who invent new names based on geography. Sandro would prefer to use cardinal directions whenever we cannot find sensible options.
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1) The situation here is complicated. On the one hand, with respect to the language of other territories, Novgorod and Pskov had very close, but somewhat different (for example, okanye and akanye) dialects, which linguist Zaliznyak combines into a single "ancient Novgorod-Pskov dialect" in his 2004 book, although he uses the term "subdialect" to show the differences. But again, these are the subtleties of science. Nevertheless, the Bolotovo Treaty of 1348 finally consolidated Novgorod's recognition of Pskov's sovereignty. Just in case, I'll attach a dialectical map of Soviet times. And here Gdov and Novgorod, with Luga and Valdai, are in one group, and Pskov with Opochka and Velikiye Luki are in another, although both groups are part of the Western of Central Russian dialects ("govors").
Alternatively, you can either single out Pskov separately, or call the community on the map "Novgorodian-Pskovian".
2) But I don't quite understand why there is a map "Muscovy" & "Muscovite". Firstly, the historicity and authenticity of these terms is questionable. What is the name of this group? Vladimirian-Suzdalian (Vladimirsko-Suzdalsky), because the city of Vladimir formally remained an important center of northeastern Russia until 1389, even after the transfer of the Metropolitan's "chair" to Moscow.
Alternatively, you can either single out Pskov separately, or call the community on the map "Novgorodian-Pskovian".
2) But I don't quite understand why there is a map "Muscovy" & "Muscovite". Firstly, the historicity and authenticity of these terms is questionable. What is the name of this group? Vladimirian-Suzdalian (Vladimirsko-Suzdalsky), because the city of Vladimir formally remained an important center of northeastern Russia until 1389, even after the transfer of the Metropolitan's "chair" to Moscow.
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1) It is not entirely clear what kind of Veps are in the east? Do you mean Komi-Permyakov and Komi-Zyryan? But Komi and Veps are different ethnic groups...
2) The area of residence of the Veps west of Lake Onega (the village of Shyoltozero - Шёлтозеро) has been missed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veps_National_Volost
3) I do not understand why the 2 spots of Veps between Lake Onega and Lake Bely to the south do not represent a single space. If you look at the map, then the area around the village of Annensky bridge in the Vytegra distrikt of Vologda region. It could well have been inhabited by Veps. And Vytegra itself was mentioned only in 1496, that is, probably, the Russian population did not dominate there at the initial game date. It is assumed that the Veps spread all the way to the western outskirts of Kargopol.
4) On modern maps of the area of the Vepsian language, the spot under Lake Onega is located just to the west (the map will be attached). In ancient times, of course, the area was wider.
Conclusion: to remove the incomprehensible eastern Veps from Perm (even if the Russians then traditionally used the ethnonym "ves'", then it was about Komi). And adjust the veps zone.
2) The area of residence of the Veps west of Lake Onega (the village of Shyoltozero - Шёлтозеро) has been missed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veps_National_Volost
3) I do not understand why the 2 spots of Veps between Lake Onega and Lake Bely to the south do not represent a single space. If you look at the map, then the area around the village of Annensky bridge in the Vytegra distrikt of Vologda region. It could well have been inhabited by Veps. And Vytegra itself was mentioned only in 1496, that is, probably, the Russian population did not dominate there at the initial game date. It is assumed that the Veps spread all the way to the western outskirts of Kargopol.
4) On modern maps of the area of the Vepsian language, the spot under Lake Onega is located just to the west (the map will be attached). In ancient times, of course, the area was wider.
Conclusion: to remove the incomprehensible eastern Veps from Perm (even if the Russians then traditionally used the ethnonym "ves'", then it was about Komi). And adjust the veps zone.
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Minor nitpick - if you're using Ukrainian names for Ukrainian/Ruthenian places (like Chernihiv), Novgorod-Seversky should be changed to Novhorod-Siverskyi. Looks good otherwise
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And speaking of Zvenigorod, shouldn't the location be renamed to Zvenigorod-on-Oka or Zvenigorod-Seversky to not be confused with the one next to Moskva?