Tinto Maps #9 Carpathia and Balkans Feedback

[Materloo]

The quality is atrocious, (edit: I meant the quaility of me cropping out and zooming in the relevant part, not the map itself being atrocious) sorry for that, but yeah, seems like.

They also made some previously hungarian stuff croatian, and didn't touch the serbian ethnic border.

Question is, how recent is the map? Could it be somewhat older, or it's the 2025 january state of the game.

The former is copium so most likely the latter.

Well many things are pretty messed up, but nothing i could not edit in the files and change. I will have to say goodbye to the achievements tho.

It's quite funny how it's being pointless giving suggestions even based on sources.

HOI4 players had to wait 8 years since release to get a seperate Burgenland (which looks awful), and also a separated Dobruja from Wallachia/Muntenia as a seperate state. And both of these were suggested hundreds of times by players earlier.

 

[Makkasag]

It's quite funny how it's being pointless giving suggestions even based on sources.

Thats a bit harsh. And we don't exactly know they operate. Only 1 guy is working on our region if I remember correctly.

For all we know, maybe the map is not from this month.

I say let's save complaining for the release version.

 

[Ispil]

So, way the development for this game works (it's been hinted at in a couple of dev posts here and there) is that each region's work is done in its own branch that isn't merged with main for a good while. This is why you can look at the map they posted in that "world" overview and note that while the Maghreb region is likely going to be what we'll see in the feedback in a minute, other regions which are also being worked on which will have their feedback likely a few weeks later from now (going off of TM ordering, Arabia or Persia perhaps) are completely untouched. Doesn't mean there's been no work there and that they're rushing out the adjustments to each region literally a week before the feedback; means that the work there isn't on the main branch yet.

Not every screenshot that you see of the game is going to include every change they've made from the last screenshot. That's not how the development of this game works.

 

[Makkasag]

So

Thank you for the explanation.

 

[GenericUsername1444]

going off of TM ordering, Arabia or Persia perhaps

I wouldn't count on it. @Aldaron has stated multiple times in the past that he's afraid of the latter's thread review because of the humongous amount of material around it.
Then again, I am partly a cause of that problem too

 

[Ispil]

I wouldn't count on it. @Aldaron has stated multiple times in the past that he's afraid of the latter's thread review because of the humongous amount of material around it.
Then again, I am partly a cause of that problem too

To be fair we also have a lovely drawn-up version of what it should look like with plenty of sources as to the why, and as far as I can tell not too much of it is all that contentious (barring some of the demographics of Georgia and Azerbaijan).

Though it's not helping that the broad suggestion there is "redo the entire region".

 

[GenericUsername1444]

To be fair we also have a lovely drawn-up version of what it should look like with plenty of sources as to the why, and as far as I can tell not too much of it is all that contentious (barring some of the demographics of Georgia and Azerbaijan).

Though it's not helping that the broad suggestion there is "redo the entire region".

We Georgians know a thing or two about "redoing regions"

 

[Makkasag]

We Georgians know a thing or two about "redoing regions"

Still one, if not the best hoi4 mod.

 

[Monix]

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Looks like there were some culture changes. For the better and for the worse. If anyone can make a more zoomed in and clearer image please do so.

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Here is the latest culture version over the feedback version. I played with the layer opacity (0-100%) of the latest version, so you can see the changes. This version presents only the dominant culture in comparison to the feedback. However, we have to consider that there is a bug in the latest version – a very thick stripe that goes from Anatolia to Hungary. In fact if you check the whole map you’re gonna notice that this stripe goes to Mecklenburg There are such thick stripes over Nogai, Astrakhani, Anatolia etc. I don’t know if it’s reported yet, though. These stripes seems to mess up with the (dev) intended presentation of the cultures. So I’m not convenient if we can decide for sure whether there are changes or not.

 

[Inzano]

Hi,

As I published a name suggestion for the Kajkavian (Slavonian), Chakavian (Croatian) and Western Shtokavian (Bosnian) dialects of personal names some time ago, I have now added surnames and dynasties. For the Chakavian dialect, I have already marked the occurrence of names for the other two dialects, but I will do so tomorrow. Now I have marked the occurrence of names nad added some new. Green color indicates a very common occurrence, yellow a medium-common occurrence, and uncolored ones are rare or appear late in the period from the 14th century to the 18th century. I ask for comments, suggestions and confirmation that I am working in the right direction.

I'm still pinging the developers to let them know.
@Pavía @Aldaron

Some of the sources were:
https://hrcak.srce.hr/file/124803
http://bib.irb.hr/datoteka/563499.AKapetanovic_akavski_hrvatski_knjievni_jezik.pdf

Fonološki razvoj ličnih imena u srednjovjekovnoj Bosni

U radu će se analizirati fonološke promjene antroponima u starobosanskome jeziku. Također, rad se bavi i općim, bitnim značajkama vokalnoga i konsonantskoga sistema definiranoga korpusa. Autorica se naročito fokusira na sljedeće promjene koje su se

www.academia.edu

http://osobno-ime.hr/

WappenWiki

wappenwiki.org

List of noble families of Croatia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://www.cidom.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Pejo-%C4%86o%C5%A1kovi%C4%87-Crkva-bosanska-u-XV-stolje%C4%87u_opt.pdf

https://hrcak.srce.hr/file/262784

Kajkavian male names:

English, German, Greek, Latin or Slavic name	Kajkavian (Slavonian) quivalent names
Albert	Bert
Alexander	Aleksander, Šandor
Ambrosius	Jambrek, Jembrih, Ambroš, Jambroš, Jamreš
Andreas	Andraš, Andrija, Jandraš, Jandre
Antonius	Antun, Antol, Jantol
Avgustust	August
Baltasár	Baltizar
Bartolomaeus	Bartol, Bariša, Jarne
Benedictus	Bedenik, Benedek, Benčec, Bedek
Blásios	Blaž
Dionysios	Dijaneš
Caspar	Gašpar, Kašpar
Christianus	Krištof
Emmerich	Jembrih
Fabianus	Fabijan, Fabek
Franciscus	Franjo, Frano, Ferenc, Ferenčić
Friedrich	Fridrih
Gabriel	Gabor, Geci
Georgius	Đuraj, Juraj, Jurek, Jurko, Juranac, Jurica
Gregorius	Gregur, Gregor
Jacobus	Jakob, Jakop, Jaklin
Johánnês	Ivan, Ivek, Ivanek, Ivanec, Ištvan, Janko, Jantol, Janoš, Janžek
Kyrillos	Kirin
Ladislav	Lacko
Laurus	Lovre, Lovrenac, Lovrek
Lucas	Lukaš, Luka, Lukša
Ludwig	Lajoš, Lauš
Marcus	Marko
Martinus	Martin
Mathaeus	Matej, Matijaš, Matejak, Matek, Matija
Meinher	Menihar
Michael	Mihal, Mihelak, Mihalj
Moseh	Mojzes
Nicolaus	Miklouš, Mikula, Miklik
Paulus	Paval, Pavko
Petrus	Peter, Petar, Petrič
Sebastianus	Sebastijan
Simon	Šimon
Stanislav	Stanko, Staniša
Stephanus	Štefan, Stipan
Thomas	Tomaš, Tomek
Urbanus	Vrban, Verban
Vidas	Vid
Vincentius	Vinček, Vincek
Vorih	Vorih

Kajkavian female names:

English, German, Greek, Latin or Slavic name	Kajkavian (Slavonian) quivalent names
Agathē	Agata, Jagica
Agnes	Neža, Janja
Aikaterine	Katarina, Katoka, Katuša, Kata
Anne	Ana, Anoka, Jana
Apollonia	Polunka, Apolonija
Barbara	Barbara, Bara
Bernadette	Bernarda, Bernardina
Christina	Kristina
Clara	Klara
Domenica	Dominika
Dorothy	Dora, Dorotija
Elizabeth	Elizabeta, Eržebet, Jalžabeta, Izabela, Eržika, Jalža
Eva	Eva
Georgia	Đera
Gertrude	Gera
Helene	Helena, Jalža, Jelka, Jelena, Jela
Johanna	Ivana
Judith	Judita
Lucia	Lucija, Luca
Magdalene	Magda, Magdalena
Maria	Marija, Mara, Marica, Mariška
Margarítês	Margareta, Marta
Sidonia	Sidonija
Sofía	Sofija
Stanislava	Stana
Susanna	Suzana
Ursula	Uršula, Oršola, Oršica

Kajkavian surnames:

Andrašec Anđelić Babec Babić Bajzek Balog Banek Banović Baric Barić Barlek Bartol Bartoš Belec Bencek Bermanec Biskup Blašković Blažek Blažeković Blaženec Bogović Bojanić Božek Brajković Brčic Bregović Brezovec Brkić Brlek Brnjaković Budin Bukovac Bukovčan Bukovec Bunić Bušić Capek Cerovečki Cesarec Crkvenac Crlenjak Crnko Crnković Cvetković Čehovec Česmički Čižmek Črep Črnčić Damjanec Debelec Dedić Divjak Dobrić Dolenčić Dolenec Dolenjko Domjanić Došen Draganić Dragec Drašković Drenovac Drobnjak Dušak Đaković Đurek Fajfar Ferek Fijan Filopec Franjić Frigan Furić Gabrek Galović Glavaš Glavica Gluhak Goričan Grabrovac Gračar Gradiček Granić Grbeša Gregorić Gregurek Grgec Habjanec Hajdaš Hajdinjak Herceg Hlapec Hlapić Horvat Horvatek Hrastovec Hrelja Hruškar Hrvojević Hržica Hudek Hudoletnjak Hunjak Ivanek Ivanić Ivanušec Jagić Jakšić Jambrešić Jerbić Jesenovec Joha Jurić Jurinjak Kač Kaleb Kalinić Kamenar Kamenarović Kanfanar Kanjski Kapec Kapetanović Kapušin Karlović Kasunić Kerep Klaić Klasić Klemenčić Klobučar Knežević Koblar Kolarek Koletić Kolman Končić Kopač Kopić Koprivnjak Koren Kos Kosec Kosović Kostelac Kostelić Košec Kotarski Kovač Kovačević Kovačić Kozarić Krajcar Kraljević Kramarić Krčmar Kregar Krivak Križanec Krstić Kukec Kukovec Kunovec Kušec Labazan Ladović Lajtman Laljek Latin Lazar Lazarović Lepoglavec Leščanec Levačić Levak Levanić Lisjak Loborec Lončar Lončarić Lovrek Lovrinović Madjar Majcen Majcunić Majdašić Malek Malić Marčec Maretić Marošević Matković Medved Međimurec Mesarić Mesec Mihalec Mihoci Mikulić Miškulin Močnik Modrić Mrak Mraz Mustapić Nađ Nađi Nedeljko Novak Novaković Novoselec Odrčić Oreščanin Orešković Ozimec Palčić Palenik Papež Pavičić Pavlović Perković Petek Petrač Pevec Piljak Pintar Pintarić Pinter Plešec Podgorelec Poljanec Prelec Presečki Prigorac Puh Radičević Radić Radotović Rajher Ranogajec Raškaj Razum Rebrović Repić Repovec Resnik Ribičić Ribić Rogić Roginić Rožić Ružička Sabljak Sabol Sajko Sambolek Samovojska Sedić Sekulić Seljan Sigetić Sirovec Sivić Skledar Skok Slamek Slatinek Slunjski Smiljanec Sokolić Srnec Sruk Stanković Strmečki Svetec Svibovec Šafranić Šamec Šarec Šarić Šijanec Šimatović Šimec Šimunić Škrlec Škrobot Šoštar Španić Špoljarić Štefančić Štefanec Štriga Šušnjara Švec Švenda Tkalec Tomašek Topolovec Trstenjak Tumpić Turić Turković Valek Varga Vegh Veselić Veselko Vidović Vinčić Vinković Vladić Vlah Vlahović Vrban Vugrinec Vuk Vukelić Vuksan Vunčec Vuri Vurić Zadravec Zajec Zdelar Zebec Zelenko Zemljič Zgrablić Zorko Zrinjski Zvonar Žagar Židovec Živko Žlebić Žmegač Žnidarić Žnidarić Žugec

Kajkavian dynasties:

Alšanski Babonić Bartaković Belošević Brlekovići Bukovački Čipčić Čupor Drašković Feštetić Galeković Golubić Grdenić Gregorijanec Guštak Ivšić Konjski Magdalenić Miković Morić Novosel Okić Orehovečki Pejačević Pogledić Posavec Prstec Raškaj Sakač Škrlec Vernić Zabočki Zapolja Žugec


Chakavian male names:

English, German, Greek, Latin or Slavic name	Chakavian (Croatian) quivalent names
Alexander	Aleksander
Andreas	Andrija
Baldus	Baldo
Barnabas	Barne
Bartolomaeus	Bartol
Benedictus	Benedikt, Bene
Božidar	Božidar
Branimir	Branimir
Caspar	Gaspar
Christianus	Kristijan
Cvjetko	Cvjetko
Dan	Danko
Domagoj	Domagoj
Dragutin	Dragutin
Egidij	Ilija
Fabianus	Fabijan
Faust	Faust
Franciscus	Frane, Franjo
Georgius	Đuro, Juraj
Gregorius	Grgur
Hannibal	Hanibal
Hieronimus	Jerolim
Hortensius	Hortenzij
Hrvoje	Hrvoje
Jacobus	Jakov
Johánnês	Ivan, Janko
Joseph	Josip, Bepo
Karl	Karlo
Krešimir	Krešimir
Laurus	Lovro
Lucas	Luka, Lukša
Marcus	Marko
Marinus	Marin
Martinus	Martin
Mathaeus	Matej, Mate
Mihael	Mihovil, Mikhael, Mikša
Milivoj	Milivoj
Miroslav	Mislav
Nicolaus	Nikola, Niko
Paschalis	Pasko, Paško
Paulus	Pavao
Petrus	Petar
Prokopius	Prokop
Rado	Radovan, Radin
Rochus	Roko
Simeon	Šime, Šimun
Spyros	Špiro
Stephanus	Stipan
Svetimir	Svetimir
Svetislav	Sanko
Theódôros	Teodor
Thomas	Toma
Tihomir	Tihomir
Tomislav	Tomislav
Vitus	Vid
Vjekoslav	Vjekoslav
Vladimir	Vladimir
Vukoslav	Vuk
Zdeslav	Zdeslav
Zlato	Zlatko

Chakavian female names:

English, German, Greek, Latin or Slavic name	Chakavian (Croatian) quivalent names
Aikaterine	Katija, Katarina, Kata
Agnes	Janja
Angela	Anđelka
Anna	Ana, Anka
Antonia	Tonka, Antica
Barbara	Barbara
Božidara	Božica
Cvita	Cvita
Dobrila	Dobrila
Dorothy	Doroteja
Draga	Dragica
Elizabeth	Elizabeta
Francisca	Franica
Filipa	Filipa
Gruba	Gruba
Helene	Jelena, Jela, Jelka
Johanna	Ivana, Ivica
Kujava	Kujava
Ljuba	Ljuba, Ljubica
Lucia	Lucija
Magdalene	Magdalena, Manda
Margarítês	Margarita
Maria	Marija, Mara, Marica
Marina	Marina
Martina	Martina
Mila	Milica
Nada	Nada
Patricia	Patricija
Paula	Pavica
Petra	Petra
Radoslava	Radoslava
Roza	Ruža
Theodora	Teodora
Theresia	Tereza, Terka
Veronica	Veronika
Vita	Vida, Vita, Vitača
Yulia	Julija
Zora	Zora

Chakavian surnames:

Abramović Alerić Andrović Anić Babić Babin Baburić Bačelić Bačić Bakotić Baljak Balta Banjeglav Barbić Barešić Baričević Barić Bašić Batistić Bebek Belamarić Beljan Belobrk Benčić Benja Beretić Beroš Bjelovarac Blažević Bogdanović Božić Brajdić Brajša Bralić Bratulić Brnobić Brzić Bubalo Budinić Buktenica Buljan Burić Burišić Butković Bužančić Cukrov Cvitanović Cvrljević Čagalj Čavrak Čelić Čerina Čikotić Čipčić Čović Čulina Dadić Damjanić Delija Diklić Divković Dobrić Dobrović Dokoza Domazet Donadić Dragičević Dropulić Družijanić Fabijan Faletar Ferić Fijan Fistanić Flis Franić Franulović Frlan Frleta Galešić Gambiraža Gašpić Glavan Glavaš Glavić Gluić Gojanović Golem Gotovac Grabić Grbić Grdić Gregov Grginović Guzić Hektorović Herceg Hranić Hrstić Ivanković Iveković Jadrešić Jakelić Jakovčić Jakšić Jaman Jerbić Jerković Ješić Jolić Jovanović Jukić Jurić Jurjević Kalafatović Kalinić Kanjer Kapović Karlić Karnarutić Kaštelan Kezić Klanfar Klarić Klarin Knežević Kokanović Kolić Komadina Kopić Kosić Kovačević Kralj Kravar Krnčević Krpan Kružić Kustić Ladović Laličević Lalić Lasić Lešić Lisica Ljubić Lončar Lorencin Lovrić Lovrin Lovrinčević Lucić Lučić Lukić Madunić Magdić Maletić Mamić Mandekić Marić Marković Marulić Matanić Matić Matulić Mažuran Medan Medunić Meštrić Milat Milinović Mirković Mišković Mlinarić Modrić Modrušan Mrkić Mršić Mrvelj Mrzljak Mudrinić Mušan Načinović Nakić Nakić Narančić Naumović Novaković Novosel Obradović Obrovac Obuljen Omerović Orešković Ostojić Ozretić Paladin Palčić Palinić Pantić Papić Paškvan Pavičić Pavlinović Peričić Perković Pervan Pešić Petrić Petrošević Petrović Pilat Pintar Pirić Plavšić Pleše Plišić Podrug Popadić Poplašen Popović Pranjić Premerl Primorac Priselac Prpić Pušić Radičević Radić Rak Raknić Rašeta Rašić Režić Rogulj Rubčić Rubelj Rubić Ružić Sablić Sertić Sikavica Sikirić Simić Sinovčić Skelin Skok Slavić Slugan Smiljan Smolčić Soldo Sopt Srdoč Srzentić Stipić Stojanović Stojčić Strikić Strinić Subotić Sučić Šaban Šakić Šantrić Šarić Šestan Šestanović Šikić Šimičić Šimleša Šimurina Šitum Škugor Šošić Šošo Špralja Štrbac Štriga Šuša Šušnjara Tadić Talijan Tankosić Teskera Tičinović Tomašić Tomić Topić Tošić Totić Trlin Trogrlić Troskot Tudor Tuta Ujević Urlić Ušljebrka Uzunović Valić Valić Vidosavljević Vidović Vinković Vlaović Vlašić Vodanović Volarić Vrančić Vrban Vrdoljak Vrsaljko Vučetić Vujica Vukas Vuković Zadrić Zajc Zaninović Zekić Zelić Zemunik Zoranić Zore Zorica Zorko Zrilić Žaja Žanić Želalić Žilavec Živković Žižić Žmirić Žonja Župan Župančić Žurić Žužul

Chakavian dynasties:

Alapić Babonić Benja Berislavić Blagajski Bojničić Budački Butković Crnković Čavrak Čolić Čudomirić Ćipiko Damjanović Delišimunović Dobrojević Domjanić Draganić Drašković Dražojević Đurđevič Frankopan Gusić Hreljac-Petričević Iločki Iveljić Jakša Jurčević Jurišić Kačić Karinski Kobašić Kostanjić Kragujenić Krčki Kreljutić Kružičević Kružić Kurjaković Lapčan Margutić Miroslavić Modruški Mogorović Nelipčić Ostojić Papalić Peranski Perusović Posedarski Rajčić Slunjski Sopković Šubić Talovac Tržački Ugrinović Zrinski


West Shtokavian male names:

English, German, Greek, Latin or Slavic name	West Shtokavian (Bosnian) quivalent names
Alexander	Aleksandar
Andreas	Andrej, Andrija
Baldus	Balša
Belizmenc	Belizmenc
Benedictus	Benedikt
Berthold	Berto
Braten	Braten
Cvitko	Cvitko
Daniel	Danilo
Deodatus	Bogdan, Božo
Dēmētrios	Dmitra
Divec	Divec
Dobroslav	Dobrko, Dabiša
Dominicus	Dominik
Dragutin	Dragutin
Dražilo	Dražilo
Drug	Drug
Dušan	Dušan
Emmanuel	Emanuel
Franciscus	Franjo
Gabriel	Gavrilo
Georgius	Juraj, Đorđe
Gregorius	Grgur
Hrvoje	Hrvatin, Hrvoje
Jacobus	Jakov
Johánnês	Ivan, Ivaniš, Jovan
Jeremiah	Jeremij
Karl	Karlo
Christianus	Kristijan
Laurus	Lovro
Lazarus	Lazar
Lucas	Luka
Marcus	Marko
Marinus	Marin
Mathaeus	Matija, Matej
Mihael	Mihovil, Mihailo
Milan	Milten, Miljenko, Milutin, Milorad
Miroslav	Miroslav, Miro
Nicolaus	Nikola
Ostoja	Ostoja
Paulus	Pavao
Petrus	Petar
Pribisav	Pribisav
Rastudije	Rastudije
Radoslav	Radivoj, Radoslav, Radič, Radovan, Radomir, Radin, Radašin, Radosav, Radosim
Rocus	Rok
Roseus	Ružir
Sandalj	Sandalj
Simeon	Šimun
Smiljan	Smiljan
Stephanus	Stjepan
Stanislav	Stanko
Svetislav	Sanko
Slavko	Slavko
Stojsav	Stojsav
Thaddeus	Tadija
Thomas	Tomaš, Toma, Tomko
Tryphon	Trifun
Tvrtko	Tvrtko, Tvrdko, Tvrdisav
Vladislav	Vladislav, Vlatko
Vukoslav	Vukoslav, Vukosav, Vuk
Zoran	Zoran
Zvonimir	Zvonimir
Žaromir	Žarko

West Shtokavian female names:

English, German, Greek, Latin or Slavic name	West Shtokavian (Bosnian) quivalent names
Aikaterine	Katarina
Angela	Anđela
Anna	Ana, Anuša
Agnes	Janja
Barbara	Barbara
Božica	Božica
Dorothy	Doroteja
Draga	Dragica
Elizabeth	Elizabeta, Jelisaveta
Georgia	Đurđa
Gruba	Gruba
Helene	Jelena, Jelka, Elena
Johanna	Ivana, Jovana
Kujava	Kujava
Ljuba	Ljuba, Ljubica
Lucia	Lucija
Magdalene	Magdalena
Margarítês	Marta, Margarita
Maria	Marija
Marina	Marina
Mila	Milica
Petra	Petra
Petronilla	Petronila
Rastina	Rastina
Radoslava	Radomira, Radoslava, Radica
Roza	Ruža
Stanislava	Stana
Theresia	Terezija, Tereza
Tolka	Tolka
Tvrtka	Tvrtka, Tvrdoša
Ursula	Uršula
Veronica	Veronika
Vita	Vida, Vita, Vitača
Zora	Zora

West Shtokavian surnames:

Abramović Andrić Anušić Arlović Atlagić Babičić Babić Babović Bačić Bagarić Barić Bebek Benković Bertić Bešlagić Bihorac Bikić Bilandžić Bilić Blažević Bogdanović Bojić Bojkovac Bojović Bošnjak Božić Brajković Bralo Brđanin Brekalo Bulić Burazer Bušić Bužan Bužimkić Crnogorac Čačić Čarija Čerkez Čolak Čolović Čulina Čuljak Čupković Čuvalo Čužić Ćorić Ćuk Ćurak Ćurić Ćurković Ćurla Ćužić Damjanović Dedić Dejanović Delija Divjak Divković Dizdar Dodig Doko Doljanin Domazet Dragičević Dragišić Drljo Džafić Đerek Đurić Farkaš Frančić Franić Gabrić Gačić Gašpar Gavran Glavaš Gnjidić Golemac Grabić Grgić Grizelj Grubeša Gudelj Herceg Horvat Husić Huskić Ivančić Ivanić Ivanković Ivkić Ivković Jakovljević Jakšić Jelić Jerković Jokić Jozinović Jukić Jurčević Jurković Kajkut Kalinić Kapetanović Kapo Karačić Karajlić Karavdić Karić Kasumović Katanić Katavić Katić Klanfar Klobučar Knežević Konjević Koprivica Kordić Kovačević Kovačević Kovačić Kozina Kozlica Krajina Kraljević Krčelić Krivokapić Krstanović Krtinić Krznarić Kukrić Lakić Lalić Lasić Lazo Lečić Lešić Livnjak Ljubas Ljubičić Ljutić Lovrić Lučić Madunić Marić Markota Marković Matić Matković Matošević Medan Medenić Medić Medo Međugorac Mijović Milaković Milas Milić Milinović Miljanović Miljević Milovanović Mirković Mišić Mraković Mrkonjić Mršić Mudrinić Mušanović Mužan Nađ Nakić Naumović Nenadić Nenčić Nikolić Novaković Novosel Obradović Obrenović Ostojić Pajić Pantić Papac Pavičić Pavić Pavković Pekez Perić Perić Petrić Petrović Peulic Pilipović Pintar Pintarić Pirić Plavšić Pleša Popadić Popadić Popović Pranjić Prce Prgomet Prljević Prodan Prpić Puhar Pušić Radičević Radić Radišić Radoš Rajković Raković Rašić Rebić Rogulj Rukavina Ružić Sabljo Savić Sinđić Slugan Smiljanić Smoljan Smoljo Sokolović Soldo Sović Stanić Stipanović Stjepanović Sučić Šakić Šarac Šarić Šeparović Šimić Škegro Škrbić Škrobo Štulić Šutalo Tadić Tadić Takač Talijan Tandara Tarbuk Tomić Tomljanović Topić Tošić Toth Trogrlić Tugomir Turalija Turić Turudić Ugrinović Ujević Uljanović Urlić Vardić Vidić Vidović Vinković Vlašić Vranješ Vrdoljak Vrgoč Vujanović Vujica Vujić Vujinović Vujović Vukas Vukelić Vuković Vuletić Zadro Zekan Zekić Zelić Zorko Zovko Zupčić Zurković Žaja Žanetić Žanić Žarković Žepina Žilić Živković Živković Žujić Župan Žurić Žužnić Žužul

West Shtokavian dynasties:

Alaupović Alinić Bakčić Bilić Bilošević Bošković Bošković Brlečići Crijević Čubretić Dinjičić Dobrinović Franić Grubišić Grupković Hrvatinić Humski Ilok Jablanić Jagrosaljić Jamometić Janković Jelačić Jelići Klešić Knezović Kopčić Kopijević Kosača Kovačić Krasojević Kristić Kukretić Ljubibratić Mamić Masnović Milašin Ohmućević Orlović Patačić Pejačević Predojević Radijelović Rajković Rešić Sanković Sojimirović Sokolović Stanković Svilojević Šantić Šetka Tasovčić Tihčinović Vilić Vladimirović Vojković Vukotić Zlatarić Zlatonosović Zoranović

 

[vikinglord]

West Shtokavian male names:

English, German, Greek, Latin or Slavic name	West Shtokavian (Bosnian) quivalent names
Alibeg	Alibeg

West Shtokavian surnames:

Abramović Ademi Adžić Ajanović Andrić Anušić Arapović Arlović Arnaut Atlagić Avdić Babičić Babić Babović Bačić Bagarić Bajrić Balta Barić Bašić Bebek Begić Begović Behremović

You have added a lot of Muslim names to the list which should only appear in a Bosniak (if such a culture could appear later in the game) name list, but not in a Bosnian list.

 

[Inzano]

You have added a lot of Muslim names to the list which should only appear in a Bosniak (if such a culture could appear later in the game) name list, but not in a Bosnian list.

If you can identify them for me, I will remove them. Are the ones you listed all of them or are there any more?
Thank you for responding, I'd like to get some feedback as well.

 

[Imperialismo]

Wouldnt say so. It seems most people just gave up after seeing their suggestions not added, while the ones who didnt were simply drowned in 60 pages of Moldova copy paste messages from the last balkan thread.

That's why it *is*

 

[vikinglord]

If you can identify them for me, I will remove them. Are the ones you listed all of them or are there any more?
Thank you for responding, I'd like to get some feedback as well.

Alibeg from the male names

Ademi Adžić Avdić Begić Begović Behremović Fazlić Hadžić Halilović Handžić Jašarević Jusufović from the surnames list


These are the ones I am sure about but there are at leat the same amount more that I have serious doubts, but I do not know the etymology to confirm.

 

[Znikii]

Begić Begović


These are the ones I am sure about but there are at leat the same amount more that I have serious doubts, but I do not know the etymology to confirm.

Begić Begović for sure since they come from Beg, which was an Ottoman noble/hierarchical title.

 

[Inzano]

@vikinglord I'm curious if you're a local? If so, do you know of any source that contains a few more names that were used by the commonors in Bosnia at that time, before the Turkish control?

 

[vikinglord]

@vikinglord I'm curious if you're a local? If so, do you know of any source that contains a few more names that were used by the commonors in Bosnia at that time, before the Turkish control?

No, I'm not local, but I am from the Balkans and have some knowledge of which names are of Turco/Arabic/Muslim origin.

 

[Inzano]

Alibeg from the male names

Ademi Adžić Avdić Begić Begović Behremović Fazlić Hadžić Halilović Handžić Jašarević Jusufović from the surnames list


These are the ones I am sure about but there are at leat the same amount more that I have serious doubts, but I do not know the etymology to confirm.

I updated it, checked the other surnames, those that didn't sound Slavic to me, and I found some of Turkish and Arabic origin.

 

[TurskiLepček]

Hello everybody, and welcome to the map review of one more region: Carpathia and the Balkans! This one has taken a bit to get out, as although it was almost finished a few weeks ago, we needed to double-check and correct some issues.

This area has had a lot of border changes that are not always very accurately documented, which leads to conflicting versions depending on the author. We have tried to collect the maximum amount of sources to make the best decision that we could. If you disagree, do not hesitate to comment on it, but please remain civil. Many of these borders are up to interpretation and we might not agree with which one is the correct one, which is fine, as it's as long as we have an informed and polite debate.

Without further ado, the changelog will speak for itself, while I show some new map screenshots:



Countries
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The two biggest changes here are the new tags in Moldavia and Albania. There still will be an event early in the game for Moldavia, although now it will be about the unification of the tags that start ruled by the Golden Horde into the March, later Principality, of Moldavia.

Dynasties
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Notice that many places have no known rulers and dynasties are so created dynamically.

Locations
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Spoiler: More Detailed Location Maps

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Provinces
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Bîrlad should Bârlad (already corrected)
Areas
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Terrain
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Some wastelands in the Carpathians have disappeared, and are now just Mountains; however, they will continue being quite strategic in winter, as the mountain passes may freeze, blocking movement.

Development
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The first time you see this map! The more mountainous regions have less development, for obvious reasons.

Natural Harbors
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Cultures
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There are also some changes in this distribution. The most important ones are the Rusyn culture being replaced by Halychian, and Moldovan being its own culture in the setup.

Dominant Language
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The dominant language per location. We have not yet done the dialects, our lower level, which is used for flavor on location and character names, so suggestions are welcome.

Common Language
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The common language in each country.

Court Language
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Religion
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Raw Materials
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Markets
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There haven't been any changes in this map, but I wanted to show you how our dynamic localization for locations works (please remember that you can set it as you prefer with a game rule!)

And this is all for today! We'll read your feedback and answer your questions, as usual. This Friday we will have a new Tinto Maps, about North America; the next Tinto Maps Feedback will be devoted to Russia, although we don't know yet exactly when. Cheers!

Rusyns should be brought back, they have been ther for hundreds of years, they are succesors of white croats who were in carphatia, they were featured in ck3 but as just croats, so rusyns by now should be in carpathia, they aren't halychians

 

[Muzsy24]

Rusyns should be brought back, they have been ther for hundreds of years, they are succesors of white croats who were in carphatia, they were featured in ck3 but as just croats, so rusyns by now should be in carpathia, they aren't halychians

I agree. They were in two seperate sphears for hundreds of years. Most sources refer to the east slavic population of that area as Rusyns until they were incoporated into the USSR so it would make more sense to seperate them.