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Hive said:
I'm sceptical as to the matter of Greater Columbia being split in 3 in 1816... you sure that's historical? Nothing I read pointed towards that... :confused:
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Actually the Great Colombia, was created in 1819 by Bolivar in the Eastern Venezuelan city of Angostura, because there were like 4 different entities for the territories at the moment liberated of spain... after the full liberation of Venezuela (two years later), Bolivar set the capital of this country in Cucuta... so, I'm thinking about that event to trigger from 1819 to 1825 or something like that...

Hive said:
I am aware, however, that several of the SA nations shouldn't actually be independent yet - but belong to Spain and be in rebel hands (most of them didn't declare independence untill after 1820). But I just think it works better this way, and the difference isn't all that big...
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for this, I suggest to give control (not ownership) to Spain of some of the Provs of those countries.... and some provs must be still spanish posession and control (like a couple of mountain provs in Peru and Bolivia) and with rebellion control (like the Bolivian and Peruvian provs near Argentina)... all this, to make a real war scenario there..

Also there shouldnt even exist Bolivia (U06)... because this country was created after the independance of Peru in 1824.... and Peru must have a CB on Bolivia because they protested the creation of that country... but that's something else...
 
Well if you like, you can make the changes to the South America setup you talk about - and then send your modified version to me, so I can have a look at exactly what you have in mind.
 
In that Spain save file I sent you, all flags are refusing to parse. When the treaty of tordesallis came, it didn't take effect and the flag data does not save. If you manually add it, it also fails. Same whenever I test the 1492 scenario.
 
Hive said:
Well if you like, you can make the changes to the South America setup you talk about - and then send your modified version to me, so I can have a look at exactly what you have in mind.
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ok cool!... :cool: I will... in fact, I have some ideas already build up to include in the AGCEEP but the time limit won't give me an adequate chance for what I want... thanks to your mod it can become better.. :)

oh.. if you can tell me which id numbers for events are free, please.. and also, should I send the files to you or should I post them here for everyone to gave an opinion about it?
 
tombom said:
In that Spain save file I sent you, all flags are refusing to parse. When the treaty of tordesallis came, it didn't take effect and the flag data does not save. If you manually add it, it also fails. Same whenever I test the 1492 scenario.
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Really? That's odd... never heard of such a bug before. You use the latest beta, right?

the_genius said:
ok cool!... :cool: I will... in fact, I have some ideas already build up to include in the AGCEEP but the time limit won't give me an adequate chance for what I want... thanks to your mod it can become better.. :)

oh.. if you can tell me which id numbers for events are free, please.. and also, should I send the files to you or should I post them here for everyone to gave an opinion about it?
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Just make the events without ID numbers, I'll just insert them myself if I approve of your events. :D

Whether you post the events here or just send them to me is up to you, I'm good with either solution.

But what interests me the most at first is not events but the actual setup you talked about...
 
From Wikipedia(1):

An independence movement sprang up around 1810, led by Simón Bolívar and Francisco de Paula Santander, that finally succeeded in 1819 when the territory of the Viceroyalty of New Granada became the Republic of Gran Colombia.

Internal political and territorial divisions led to the secession of Venezuela and Quito (today's Ecuador) in 1830 and the remaining Department of Cundinamarca was renamed New Granada until 1856 when it became the Granadine Confederation until 1863 when it became the United States of Colombia until 1886 when it became the Republic of Colombia.

New Granada(2):
New Granada was the name given to a group of colonial provinces in northern South America, corresponding mainly to modern Colombia. The name is still used as an alternative to Colombia by some people.

Republic of Gran Colombia(3):
The Republic of Gran Colombia, or Greater Colombia, was a short-lived republic in South America consisting of present-day Colombia , Venezuela, Ecuador, and Panama. Its territory corresponded more or less to the jurisdiction of the Viceroyalty of New Granada.

Liberator of South America Simón Bolívar and other revolutionaries in the First Republic of Venezuela used this name for all Spanish America, until the republic under that name was founded in 1819 at the Congress of Angostura

Congress of Angostura(4): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congress_of_Angostura

(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombia#History
(2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Granada
(3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Gran_Colombia
 
ehh.. actually there were two times that Venezuela were independant as was called Republic of Venezuela, before Bolivar founded Great Colombia... and in Colombia, there were two indepedant Republics, Cundinamarca and the United Provinces (I'm not 100 % sure right now of what happened in Ecuador, just that there was a Patriotic Government in Quito) at about 1816 when Bolivar help Cundinamarca to defeat the United Provinces... this Cundimarca is the core of actual Colombia.... and also, it was not until 1821, when the first constitution of Great Colombia legally created the country by the "union of the Republic of Venezuela and Cundinamarca"..

so that is why I'm not agree of a Great Colombia by 1816.... you'll see on the files that I'm posting this weekend... when I have time....
 
Hive said:
Really? That's odd... never heard of such a bug before. You use the latest beta, right?
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Yes. I've discovered it only happens with Tordesallis and everything else will save. In later scenarios it works fine. It doesn't work in anything before Tordesallis is listed in the scenarios. Vanilla works fine.
 
Hi...new to EUII, new to AoI. Looks cool, but downloaded 2.0 and patched to 2.3 and getting a crash to the desktop when loading some of the scenarios, 1337, 1861....at least one other. Some of the work great, though 1816, for example.

Am I doing anything wrong?
 
aknott said:
Hi...new to EUII, new to AoI. Looks cool, but downloaded 2.0 and patched to 2.3 and getting a crash to the desktop when loading some of the scenarios, 1337, 1861....at least one other. Some of the work great, though 1816, for example.

Am I doing anything wrong?
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You need to patch EUII to 1.08 and then apply the 1.08 beta patches, like Byakhiam says. The beta patches can be found in a sticky thread in the general discussions forum.
 
Something I noticed in the current New Order 3 save, is that Lothian is still "Celtic" culture in 1851, while Strathclyde and Grampians are both correctly Anglosaxon. This is very odd.
 
Owen said:
Something I noticed in the current New Order 3 save, is that Lothian is still "Celtic" culture in 1851, while Strathclyde and Grampians are both correctly Anglosaxon. This is very odd.
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That is indeed very odd... I just checked the event, it has the right commands... maybe I have corrected the event after it triggered in NO. I'll edit the save and make Lothian anglosaxon.
 
Ideas for the Wars of Independance in SA

Hive, I'm going to begin my ideas with this...

Initial Setup for the countries:
Venezuela (U04)
Owned Provs: Maracaibo (157); Tocuvo (156); Yaraguay (154); Apure (155); Caribe (178)
Controlled Provs: Maracaibo (157); Apure (155); Caribe (178)
Capitol: Angostura, Prov Caribe (157)
Army: 16k Inf, 1k Cav, 20 Art - Commanded by Bolivar

Colombia (COL)
Owned Provs: Cartagena (158); Isthmus (39); Cupica (161): Bogotá (160); Yatumal (159); Cali (162)
Controlled Provs: Isthmus (39); Cupica (161)
Capitol: Bogotá, Prov Bogotá (160)
Army: 15k Inf, 10 Art - Commanded by Santander

Ecuador (U08)
Owned Provs: Guayaquil (164); Azuay (163); Pastaza (187)
Controlled Provs: Azuay (163)
Capitol: Quito, Prov Azuay (163)
Army: 5k Inf, 10 Art

Spanish controlling provs in SA
Controlled: Yaraguay (154); Tocuvo (155); Cali (162); Cartagena (158); Cupica (160); Yatumal (159); Bogota (160); Guayaquil (164)
Armies: in 154 (10k Inf, 10 Art), in 164 (8k Inf, 10 Art), in 160 (12k Inf, 1k Cav, 10 Art)
Fleets: In 154 (5Warships, 2 Transp), in 162 (3Wars, 2Transp)

Alliance between Venezuela, Colombia and Ecuador (relations between them +200); their relations with Spain (War, -100); England (+150); USA (+150); Peru (+150); Chile (+100); Argentina (+100)

note: Bolivar leader should be on leaderfiles for Venezuela (U04) and Greater Colombia (U07) not in Colombia's file (COL), but a leader should be created for them (COL):

Code: 
historicalleader = {
	id = { type = 6 id =  }
	category = general
	startdate = {
		day = 1
		month = april
		year = 1813
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1840
	}
	name = "Santander"
	rank = 3
	movement = 3
	fire = 2
	shock = 2
	siege = 0
}
and he must be added for Greater Colombia with another one (this one just for Greater Colombia (U07)):

Code: 
historicalleader = {
	id = { type = 6 id =  }
	category = general
	startdate = {
		day = 1
		month = march
		year = 1821
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1830
	}
	name = "de Sucre"
	rank = 2
	movement = 3
	fire = 3
	shock = 2
	siege = 0
}
this one, was who commanded the armies that liberated Peru and Bolivia...
 
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Well I'm still not convinced that Venezuela, Ecuador and Colombia should be 3 different nations from the start... did they ever declare independence 1 by 1?

AFAIK, they only declared independence once - as Greater Colombia/Gran Colombia...

About those leaders, what are you basing their stats on? Especially the last one is pretty damn good, sure that's justitifed?
 
Monarchs for that time period

Colombia (COL):

Code: 
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id =  }
	startdate = {
		day = 30
		month = march
		year = 1811
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 14
		month = december
		year = 1815
	}
	name = "Camilo Torrés"
	DIP = 6
	MIL = 3
	ADM = 4
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id =  }
	startdate = {
		day = 1
		month = january
		year = 1816
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1830
	}
	name = "Patriotic Assembly"
	DIP = 3
	MIL = 3
	ADM = 3
}
I changed Bolivar for the Patriotic Assembly in order to be more accurate since Bolivar didn't actually govern Colombia and this territory was almost completely controlled by the spaniards by 1816, and also, because in 1819 the Greater Colombia will be created... Bolivar will be the monarch.

Venezuela (U04):

Code: 
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id =  }
	startdate = {  day = 1 month = january year = 1816 }
	deathdate = { year = 1830 }	
	name = "Simon Bolívar"
	DIP = 7
	MIL = 9
	ADM = 7
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id =  }
	startdate = {  day = 16 month = august year = 1830 }
	deathdate = { day = 20 month = january year = 1835 }	
	name = "José Antonio Páez Herrera"
	DIP = 5
	MIL = 2
	ADM = 5
}
As Bolivar is governing, the Greater Colombia will be created until 1830, when it'll dissapear and Paez will be the monarch of Venezuela since that date.

For Ecuador (U08), there must be created a Patriotic Assembly monarch like the Colombian one for the time period 1816-1830, until they are independant again...

Greater Colombia (U07)

Code: 
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id =  }
	startdate = {
		day = 1
		month = january
		year = 1819
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1830
	}
	name = "Simon Bolívar"
	DIP = 7
	MIL = 9
	ADM = 7
}
Only monarch for that country... of course!..
 
Hive said:
Well I'm still not convinced that Venezuela, Ecuador and Colombia should be 3 different nations from the start... did they ever declare independence 1 by 1?
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yes!!.. Venezuela declared independance in 1811 as Republic of Venezuela (Link to a Page ); Colombia or New Granada declared independance in 1811 as two separated entities, Cundinamarca and the United Provinces (Lint to a Page ); Ecuador declared independance in 1809 as a semiRepublic governed by an Assembly (Junta Soberana de Quito), even though their country was almost conquered by the spaniards later on, they controlled some places until they were completely liberated by Bolivar in 1822 (Link to a Page ).

(sorry those pages are in spanish, since I couldn't find an correct english webpage about that)

Hive said:
About those leaders, what are you basing their stats on? Especially the last one is pretty damn good, sure that's justitifed?
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ehh.... I think I overrated them... I'm going to change them...
 
Event for the Formation of Greater Colombia

Code: 
event = { 
      id =  
      random = no
      country = U04
      name = "Formation of Greater Colombia"
      desc = "In December 17º of 1819, the Congress of Angostura approved
the Fundamental Law of Greater Colombia written by Simón Bolívar, in order 
to unite the countries of Venezuela, Ecuador and Colombia, into a single 
entity that can stand in a better position against the royalists attempts to
maintain the Spanish Colonial order; this was the dream of El Libertador."
      style = 5
      date = { day = 17 month = october year = 1819 }
      offset = 150
      action_a = {
            	name = "The Greater Colombia has borned"
                            command = { type = addcore which = 39 }
                            command = { type = addcore which = 158 }
                            command = { type = addcore which = 159 }
                            command = { type = addcore which = 160 }
                            command = { type = addcore which = 161 }
                            command = { type = addcore which = 162 }
                            command = { type = addcore which = 163 }
                            command = { type = addcore which = 164 }
                            command = { type = addcore which = 187 }
                            command = { type = inherit which = COL }
                            command = { type = inherit which = U08 }
                            command = { type = country which = U07 }
                            command = { type = stability   value = 1 }
                            command = { type = badboy   value = -2 }
                            command = { type = INF which = -2 value = 10000 }
                            command = { type = CAV which = -2 value = 1000 }
                            command = { type = ART which = -2 value = 20 }  
      }         
}

Also, an event where the capital is moved to Bogotá
Code: 
event = { 
      id =  
      trigger = {
                control  = { province = 160 data =  -1}
                control  = { province = 159 data =  -1}
	}
      random = no
      country = U07
      name = "The Capital of Greater Colombia"
      desc = "In May of 1821, a Congress was held in Cucuta to approved a
Constitution of the Republic of Greater Colombia, there it was decided that 
the Capital of this country should reside in Bogotá."
      style = 5
      date = { day = 1 month = may year = 1821 }
      offset = 150
      deathdate = { year = 1824 }
      action_a = {
            	name = "Let's move to Bogotá""
                            command = { type = capital which = 160 }
                            command = { type = population which = 160 value = 2000 }
      }         
}
 
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