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Boscoe said:
I think it's ABSOLUTE B.S. That Cohh and some other "Streamers" have access RIGHT NOW. I am the same backer level as they are. Been waiting the SAME FRIGGEN AMOUNT of time as they have and they can just play play play. Total CRAP IMHO. Where is MY ACCESS? the one I PAID the SAME amount of money for as he and others did?
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Cohh is a streamer with a MILLION SUBSCRIBERS. He has been given the privilege of playing the game early to MARKET IT. Thousands of people who have never heard of the game before have watched him play it and are now going to buy this game, or at least considering buying it.

Do you complain when IGN or Rock, Paper, Shotgun or whoever gets the game early to do previews? Cause its the SAME THING.

To be blunt, how many copies of this game do you think you could sell to others if you had it right now? Ten? Twenty? A Hundred? Cohh has probably help sell a LOT more than that.
 
Skoll- said:
Dat's modern marketing
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Yep . For everything.
Every review page on every game on Steam and even every review page on Amazon for any product proves that.
 
This is ridiculous. I backed the game too, I played a lot of the Beta, even backed it up so I could keep playing. However I absolutely support what they're doing by giving preview builds to streamers like Cohh Carnage for one simple reason, it benefits the game and me. I backed this game, I want it to be successful so I can get future DLC and new Mechs like the Javelin or Cyclops. People like Cohh Carnage are going to help make that happen.

If you don't appreciate what these streaming arrangements accomplish for this game, let me lay this on you. Battletech has jumped back up into the Top 100 of Top Global Sellers for Games on Steam, it's actually sitting at #66 right now (using a browser I'm not logged in on, to keep the results from potentially being skewed). Yesterday it was sitting at #94. That's a huge deal for a relatively small developer like HBS.

So, instead of behaving like [Mod Edit: Please avoid disrespect] and throwing our toys out of the pram because someone else got to play with our new toy first. Let's recognize that HBS is going to make a pile of money off of giving Cohh a key. That's good for HBS, it's good for the game and it's good for us.
 
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The success of the game is infinitely more important to me than being able to play a limited, buggy version of it a few weeks early.
 
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Galaga Galaxian said:
Cohh is a streamer with a MILLION SUBSCRIBERS. He has been given the privilege of playing the game early to MARKET IT. Thousands of people who have never heard of the game before have watched him play it and are now going to buy this game, or at least considering buying it.

Do you complain when IGN or Rock, Paper, Shotgun or whoever gets the game early to do previews? Cause its the SAME THING.

To be blunt, how many copies of this game do you think you could sell to others if you had it right now? Ten? Twenty? A Hundred? Cohh has probably help sell a LOT more than that.
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Be blunt big guy. I don't care about selling this game, why? Because I am what we call a CUSTOMER. See... here's the point I think you are missing. I paid good money, not necessarily a lot of money, but good money to back this game 2 years ago.

See I am what we like to call a "CUSTOMER". A customer is someone who PAYS for a service or PRODUCT. In return or that payment, they expect to get said product or service. When a CUSTOMER discovers that the guy next door who paid the SAME price that he did and receives preferential treatment without having the same opportunity that is an issue. And I could give 2, maybe 3, [Mod edit:Language] that Cohh or any other "streamer" can drive revenue.

I, as I said clearly above, am a CUSTOMER. Meaning that I paid money for a product. When, as a CUSTOMER, I discover that someone is getting better treatment than I am for the SAME $$$ that causes an issue. Some like to call this buyer's remorse, others like to call this [Mod Edit: Language] Whichever camp you are in.... makes no difference to me. I want the same (same=equal) access for my dollars.

Cohh and other streamers monetize off of the videos and the streams that they have. No harm there. I hope they do incredibly well, all of them. I, however, am not a streamer and want equal time in the game, and want to be able to spoil EVERYTHING that Cohh and others have done. I believe that's fair and appropriate.
 
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Boscoe said:
Be blunt big guy. I don't care about selling this game, why? Because I am what we call a CUSTOMER. See... here's the point I think you are missing. I paid good money, not necessarily a lot of money, but good money to back this game 2 years ago.

See I am what we like to call a "CUSTOMER". A customer is someone who PAYS for a service or PRODUCT. In return or that payment, they expect to get said product or service. When a CUSTOMER discovers that the guy next door who paid the SAME price that he did and receives preferential treatment without having the same opportunity that is an issue. And I could give 2, maybe 3, squirts of piss that Cohh or any other "streamer" can drive revenue.

I, as I said clearly above, am a CUSTOMER. Meaning that I paid money for a product. When, as a CUSTOMER, I discover that someone is getting better treatment than I am for the SAME $$$ that causes an issue. Some like to call this buyer's remorse, others like to call this W-T-F. Whichever camp you are in.... makes no difference to me. I want the same (same=equal) access for my dollars.

Cohh and other streamers monetize off of the videos and the streams that they have. No harm there. I hope they do incredibly well, all of them. I, however, am not a streamer and want equal time in the game, and want to be able to spoil EVERYTHING that Cohh and others have done. I believe that's fair and appropriate.
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Except your transaction has nothing to do with anyone else's. That's how transactions work. The game releases April 24th. A customer correct. NOT a member of the Media, or Advertising.
 
Boscoe said:
*Snip*
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Yup, you're a customer dude. We all are. And we'll get to play the product we paid for on the official release date.

Cohh is a MARKETER PROVIDING A SERVICE to HBS. Namely MARKETING THEIR GAME TO A MILLION SUBSCRIBERS. Over Ten THOUSAND people were simultaneous watching him Play/Market Battletech during his streaming at one point. Ten thousand extra eyes on this game.

Do you get upset when film critics and celebrities get to watch the most anticipated movie of the summer before you do?

This is a JOB for him, one mutually beneficial to himself and HBS. That he bought the game independently of this is irrelevant. He'll get to play his purchased copy on the 24th just like us. Meanwhile, he has signed an agreement ot only play the game up until a certain point, unless HBS tells him othewise.

You want the game early? You provide a marketing service. Except you probably can't, because you're likely just a random nobody like me and the rest of the vast majority of this forum. And think about this, every extra copy Cohh helps sell is more money in HBS' pocket. More money to help prove that making an expansion or DLC or sequel or other improvements to the game will be worth their time financially. MORE SALES = MORE STUFF WE GET.

If you're this upset about it, get into contact with HBS, they'll be happy to provide you a refund. You won't be the first person they've given their money back to for one reason or another.
 
Havamal said:
Except your transaction has nothing to do with anyone else's. That's how transactions work. The game releases April 24th. A customer correct. NOT a member of the Media, or Advertising.
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Wait..... are you saying that my backer transaction is not equal? I mean not equal to another person who paid money at the same time for the same backer level????
 
Galaga Galaxian said:
Yup, you're a customer dude. We all are. And we'll get to play the product we paid for on the official release date.

Cohh is a MARKETER PROVIDING A SERVICE to HBS. Namely MARKETING THEIR GAME TO A MILLION SUBSCRIBERS. Over Ten THOUSAND people were simultaneous watching him Play/Market Battletech during his streaming at one point. Ten thousand extra eyes on this game.

Do you get upset when film critics and celebrities get to watch the most anticipated movie of the summer before you do?

This is a JOB for him, one mutually beneficial to himself and HBS. That he bought the game independently of this is irrelevant. He'll get to play his purchased copy on the 24th just like us. Meanwhile, he has signed an agreement ot only play the game up until a certain point, unless HBS tells him othewise.

You want the game early? You provide a marketing service. Except you probably can't, because you're likely just a random nobody like me and the rest of the vast majority of this forum. And think about this, every extra copy Cohh helps sell is more money in HBS' pocket. More money to help prove that making an expansion or DLC or sequel or other improvements to the game will be worth their time financially. MORE SALES = MORE STUFF WE GET.

If you're this upset about it, get into contact with HBS, they'll be happy to provide you a refund. You won't be the first person they've given their money back to for one reason or another.
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Hey... do you work for HBS? Or Para? No? thought that might be the case.
 
Boscoe said:
Wait..... are you saying that my backer transaction is not equal? I mean not equal to another person who paid money at the same time for the same backer level????
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His is not a backer transaction though is it. He is an advertiser receiving a review product for media publication. His backer status does not enter into it.
 
Advertisers receive compensation for their services.

These streams are, fundamentally, ads. Getting to play the game is the compensation provided. It's not complicated, and it's nothing fundamentally different than any other form of advertising.
 
Boscoe said:
I mean you are a "moderator". Please moderator explain...
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I just did. He didnt get his for money. He got his to provide an advertising service. Just like Every other product on earth that is sold. From Iphones to movies to clothing.
 
Boscoe said:
WAIT then why in the hell is he not saying that he is an ADVERTISER
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What exactly do you think a professional streamer is? Its closer to an independant review though.


He plays the game and the Devs hope he and his viewers like what they see.

Just like a restaurant or movie critic.
 
I don't hear "I am an advertiser" on those streams... Cohh has like 24 vids up... many of us (the backers at his level with the jackets etc) haven't heard that he is an advertiser of HBS or Paradox
 
Umm ok so you post a link.... so what is that link supposed to be?

Is it a link that details how and what "advertisers" can do? the link takes me back to this discussion.
 
Boscoe said:
I don't hear "I am an advertiser" on those streams... Cohh has like 24 vids up... many of us (the backers at his level with the jackets etc) haven't heard that he is an advertiser of HBS or Paradox
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Does every article on PCGamer or IGN start with a line saying "I'm an advertiser and received this game free for the purposes of reviewing it"? No, because they have the reasonable expectation that the audience is capable of understanding that on their own.
 
Boscoe said:
Umm ok so you post a link.... so what is that link supposed to be?

Is it a link that details how and what "advertisers" can do? the link takes me back to this discussion.
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Yes, yes it does. Wherein your answer was given already.
 
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