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Ive developed a modified build scheme based of Crisismans, where I build my IC with all available existing IC for one year, while researching up to Graf Zeppelin class CV. Then starting in '37 i build 8 CV of that type and 8 Bismarck class BB. Then once i have available capacity i build 10 of the Hipper class CA, then 18 Nuernburg class CL, then 16 Improved destroyers (in that order). In the meantime i research another carrier level and use those CAGs for my carriers. Plus i have 12 long range submarine units for Doenitz to play around with. All are ready by September 1, 1939. Its funny, my CVs and SSs are the only ones who have actually fired any shots the entire war!
Wolf52 said:
Yes i'm in my 1st game too now and have noticed that you only really need carriers and screens for them to fight a naval war. Battleships are just a waste of metal and industry. Which although being unhistorical is not actually unrealistic, it's exactly what everybody should have done back then. Since they didn't there was a lot of ship vs ship battles still going on.
June 1941 - the Big Bite!
June 1, 1941 : We won a battle against Soviet Union in Bilovodsk. Hitler, seeing that the MP situation has improved, orders the restart of reinforcements, but under strict limits. 20 IC are allocated to reinforcement.
June 2, 1941 : We won a battle against Soviet Union in Elista.
June 3, 1941 : With the full weight of an entire Infantry Army bearing down on it, the garrison in Moskow is defeated! Army Group North begins to race furiously south to link up with AGS. We also won battles in Noginsk and Danilov.
June 4, 1941 : We won battles against Soviet Union in Astrakhan, Kotlas, Stalino and Mozhaisk.
June 5, 1941 : Heinz Guderian has developed 'Frontline Supply Service'. This greatly improved our transport, supply and attrition situations. We won battles in Konotop, Kiev, Priluki and Kharkov. A number of Soviet divisions are trapped and captured in the Kharkov pocket.
June 7, 1941 : We won a battle against Soviet Union in Zaporozhye.
June 9, 1941 : We won battles against Soviet Union in Konstatinovsk, Enotaevka and Totma.
June 10, 1941 : We won a battle against Soviet Union in Kaluga.
June 11, 1941 : We won battles against Soviet Union in Ostrogozhsk, Cherny Yar, Zhitomir, Bobraisk, Orsha and Toropets.
June 13, 1941 : We won battles against Soviet Union in Orel, Morzovsk, Elton, Vitebsk, Korosten, Minsk, Vyshgorod and Mozyr.
June 14, 1941 : We won battles against Soviet Union in Mogilev, Zhlobin and Vyazma.
June 15, 1941 : A full Panzer Army smashes into Stalingrad, quickly capturing it. We also took Kotelnikovo. AGN and AGS rapidly advance toward one another, effecting a linkup on the 16th. Within the giant encirclement are approximately 50 soviet divisions. Fewer than 100 soviet divisions remain to fight for the Urals and Sverdlovsk.
June 17, 1941 : We won battles against Soviet Union in Krasnya Sloboda, Voronezh, Rossosh and Smolensk.
June 18, 1941 : We won battles against Soviet Union in Kamensk-Shakhtinski, Kursk, Kashary, Konotop, Uralsk and Roslavl.
June 19, 1941 : We won battles against Soviet Union in Klintsy and Svoboda.
June 20, 1941 : We won battles against Soviet Union in Boguchar, Chernigov, Borisglebsk, Kalach, Surovinkino and Nikolayevsk.
June 21, 1941 : We won a battle against Soviet Union in Engels.
June 22, 1941 : We won battles against Soviet Union in Velikij Ustyug, Kamyshin and Bokovskaya.
June 23, 1941 : We won a battle against Soviet Union in Frolovo.
June 25, 1941 : We won battles against Soviet Union in Uryupinsk, Rogachev and Gomel.
June 26, 1941 : We won a battle against Soviet Union in Saratov.
June 27, 1941 : We won battles against Soviet Union in Gorkij and Ukhta.
June 28, 1941 : We won a battle against Soviet Union in Pavlovsk.
June 30, 1941 : We won battles in Syktyvkar, Kotelnich, Syzran and Yoskar Ola. As pockets in the rear are closed, a few of the infantry armies from AGC are SR'd to the Persian, Swiss and Portugese borders in anticipation of victory in the Soviet Union.
June 1, 1941 : We won a battle against Soviet Union in Bilovodsk. Hitler, seeing that the MP situation has improved, orders the restart of reinforcements, but under strict limits. 20 IC are allocated to reinforcement.
June 2, 1941 : We won a battle against Soviet Union in Elista.
June 3, 1941 : With the full weight of an entire Infantry Army bearing down on it, the garrison in Moskow is defeated! Army Group North begins to race furiously south to link up with AGS. We also won battles in Noginsk and Danilov.
June 4, 1941 : We won battles against Soviet Union in Astrakhan, Kotlas, Stalino and Mozhaisk.
June 5, 1941 : Heinz Guderian has developed 'Frontline Supply Service'. This greatly improved our transport, supply and attrition situations. We won battles in Konotop, Kiev, Priluki and Kharkov. A number of Soviet divisions are trapped and captured in the Kharkov pocket.
June 7, 1941 : We won a battle against Soviet Union in Zaporozhye.
June 9, 1941 : We won battles against Soviet Union in Konstatinovsk, Enotaevka and Totma.
June 10, 1941 : We won a battle against Soviet Union in Kaluga.
June 11, 1941 : We won battles against Soviet Union in Ostrogozhsk, Cherny Yar, Zhitomir, Bobraisk, Orsha and Toropets.
June 13, 1941 : We won battles against Soviet Union in Orel, Morzovsk, Elton, Vitebsk, Korosten, Minsk, Vyshgorod and Mozyr.
June 14, 1941 : We won battles against Soviet Union in Mogilev, Zhlobin and Vyazma.
June 15, 1941 : A full Panzer Army smashes into Stalingrad, quickly capturing it. We also took Kotelnikovo. AGN and AGS rapidly advance toward one another, effecting a linkup on the 16th. Within the giant encirclement are approximately 50 soviet divisions. Fewer than 100 soviet divisions remain to fight for the Urals and Sverdlovsk.
June 17, 1941 : We won battles against Soviet Union in Krasnya Sloboda, Voronezh, Rossosh and Smolensk.
June 18, 1941 : We won battles against Soviet Union in Kamensk-Shakhtinski, Kursk, Kashary, Konotop, Uralsk and Roslavl.
June 19, 1941 : We won battles against Soviet Union in Klintsy and Svoboda.
June 20, 1941 : We won battles against Soviet Union in Boguchar, Chernigov, Borisglebsk, Kalach, Surovinkino and Nikolayevsk.
June 21, 1941 : We won a battle against Soviet Union in Engels.
June 22, 1941 : We won battles against Soviet Union in Velikij Ustyug, Kamyshin and Bokovskaya.
June 23, 1941 : We won a battle against Soviet Union in Frolovo.
June 25, 1941 : We won battles against Soviet Union in Uryupinsk, Rogachev and Gomel.
June 26, 1941 : We won a battle against Soviet Union in Saratov.
June 27, 1941 : We won battles against Soviet Union in Gorkij and Ukhta.
June 28, 1941 : We won a battle against Soviet Union in Pavlovsk.
June 30, 1941 : We won battles in Syktyvkar, Kotelnich, Syzran and Yoskar Ola. As pockets in the rear are closed, a few of the infantry armies from AGC are SR'd to the Persian, Swiss and Portugese borders in anticipation of victory in the Soviet Union.
Crisisman said:
Nice update and way to go with that encirclement, that'll teach them to not take a step backwards!
However, do you really feel it is necessary to go after Portugal and Switzerland? This will only raise your Bellingerence (not to mention that IIRC USA guarantees Swiss independence) and risk bringing the US into the war... Well, it's your choice of course, but I think your resources are better spent going through Persian into India. Just my $0.02.
Crisisman,
I'm certainly enjoying your AAR. It's helping me get a handle on my own German GC.
I'm most impressed by your rare metals total. I've found it the most difficult one to raise into any meaningful numbers with trade. Did you do anything out of the ordinary?
You said earlier that you moved the CAG discussion to HoI2 General Discussion, but I can't find it. Could you please give me a pointer? Thanks mucho.
Lastly, by including HQs in combat, do they take a disproportional amount of casualties?
I'm certainly enjoying your AAR. It's helping me get a handle on my own German GC.
I'm most impressed by your rare metals total. I've found it the most difficult one to raise into any meaningful numbers with trade. Did you do anything out of the ordinary?
You said earlier that you moved the CAG discussion to HoI2 General Discussion, but I can't find it. Could you please give me a pointer? Thanks mucho.
Lastly, by including HQs in combat, do they take a disproportional amount of casualties?
Wow, the Soviet Union overrun by a massive pincer movement by mid-summer. It seems that no ai can withstand the might of the German war machine. Are you planning to annex the USSR or opt for a bitter peace event?
Tachikaze said:
Well, i had 16 fighter squadrons at the start of the war plus 8 tacs (which i think are underpowered), both types basic models. I actually didnt add anything to my army (IIRC) but it was able to smash through poland easily. I started to build up my motorized and armored forces in the winter and used them to take france and eventually britain, who at the time of the invasion had only 1 BB, 1 BC, and assorted small ships. Now with the soviet invasion looming (its winter 1940 now) i only have about 110 divs. I need to build up fast but all ICs are on more important one time projects. Lets hope i can get ready in time... Oh and btw that little island just off north england is a real tough nut to crack, especially with a -99 amphibious attack penalty (wtf is up with that btw).
V'ger said:
90 000 rare metals for Germany is quite ordinary.You're having difficulties probably because you are trading with the wrong countries.Germanys biggest source of oil and rare materials until 1941 is the Soviet Union
How do you organize your costal defence? I'm finding myself overstretched all over europe just trying to defend my territories. Do you use 1 division or 3 in each costal province? Infantry or garrison?
Jeez, the Mother of all Kesselschlachts
Good, now you have set the standard for the rest of us
Good, now you have set the standard for the rest of us
Dyadya Sam,
Yes, I've certainly been trading with the wrong people. For some reason I had the silly thought that your diplomatic relations affected the quality and profitability of trades, so I hadn't considered either the US or USSR. Now I'm something like plus 70 rm/per. D'oh!
Yes, I've certainly been trading with the wrong people. For some reason I had the silly thought that your diplomatic relations affected the quality and profitability of trades, so I hadn't considered either the US or USSR. Now I'm something like plus 70 rm/per. D'oh!
To answer a few questions -
-Persia/India will be my primary objective once USSR is out of the way.
-Portugal will be an appetizer once I have extra TC.
-Switzerland will be only after Japan/US or US/Ger are at war. Unless, of course, the USA lets the gurantee expire.
-I was actually very low on Rares, even with USSR trading, until I started taking capitals. Most of my Rares of war booty.
-HQ in combat has not been a problem for me.
-CAGs, in short, there was a concern about airgroup size discrepancy and the ability of old/small carriers to use turbojet CAGs. This was answered with the revelation that many small carriers actually represent 2 CVLs. As for Turbojets...many wartime CVLs flew jets well into modern times, and all modern CVLs fly jets.(my short summary, no discussion here please)
-I'm planning to go for bitter peace unless it takes so long to fire that I can annex first. The reason for this is primarily that it will remove most of the TC drain from having all those provinces as occupied. The real question will be, do I back-stab them and go for the rest in 1942 anyway? Or, do I finish off the allies and try to land in the USA? Decisions, Decisions....
-Coastal Defense: With naval superiority, I simply put a single infantry division in or adjacent to each beach province. The idea is to always have one unit available to immediately counter attack any small landing. Air support and shore bombardment should be enough to drive any force of less than 3 divisions back into the sea. If a landing occurs that is too large for this, then the few divisions in the area will simply help contain the landing until a full sized army can be SR'd into the area to deal with it. If the US proves a problem, I'll increase my garrison on/near any provinces they show an interest in.
-I was trying for the "Mother of all Kesselschnitts", but the d**n Italians messed it up. I was originally planning to link up NW of Stalingrad. Maybe next time I'll get that 100 division bag I was aiming for.
-Persia/India will be my primary objective once USSR is out of the way.
-Portugal will be an appetizer once I have extra TC.
-Switzerland will be only after Japan/US or US/Ger are at war. Unless, of course, the USA lets the gurantee expire.
-I was actually very low on Rares, even with USSR trading, until I started taking capitals. Most of my Rares of war booty.
-HQ in combat has not been a problem for me.
-CAGs, in short, there was a concern about airgroup size discrepancy and the ability of old/small carriers to use turbojet CAGs. This was answered with the revelation that many small carriers actually represent 2 CVLs. As for Turbojets...many wartime CVLs flew jets well into modern times, and all modern CVLs fly jets.(my short summary, no discussion here please)
-I'm planning to go for bitter peace unless it takes so long to fire that I can annex first. The reason for this is primarily that it will remove most of the TC drain from having all those provinces as occupied. The real question will be, do I back-stab them and go for the rest in 1942 anyway? Or, do I finish off the allies and try to land in the USA? Decisions, Decisions....
-Coastal Defense: With naval superiority, I simply put a single infantry division in or adjacent to each beach province. The idea is to always have one unit available to immediately counter attack any small landing. Air support and shore bombardment should be enough to drive any force of less than 3 divisions back into the sea. If a landing occurs that is too large for this, then the few divisions in the area will simply help contain the landing until a full sized army can be SR'd into the area to deal with it. If the US proves a problem, I'll increase my garrison on/near any provinces they show an interest in.
-I was trying for the "Mother of all Kesselschnitts", but the d**n Italians messed it up. I was originally planning to link up NW of Stalingrad. Maybe next time I'll get that 100 division bag I was aiming for.
Crisisman said:
It's "Kesselschlacht" when you trap the russians the russians like you did and then going to eliminate them.
It's "Sichelschnitt" when you cut through the enemy like in Belgium '40. More of a codename though compared to the term "Kesselschlacht".
Very interesting AAR
V'ger said:
It does, actualy. And some embargos are actually hard-coded in the AI. But the quantity of unused resources a country has for trade is much more important, I think. I don't have the manual, so I'm only guessing.
Crisisman said:
Aaaah not really .. IIRC you noted Glorious sunk by Schlesien, which wasn't a "battlecruiser" at all, but a full-blown (if Pre-WW1) battleship (commissioned as Ship-of-the-Line in 1908).
OTOH Scharnhost wasn't a "battlecruiser" at all too - it was an undergunned fast battleship which never received it's planned upgrade to 6x 15" instead of the 9x 11". In fact, Scharnhorst & Gneisenau had even or thicker belt armor than Bismarck & Tirpitz (320mm for S, G and B - 315mm for T), while the traditional "battlecruiser" was a vessel with great speed, carrying battleship guns but little armor.
Just as a side note.
Nebukadnezar said:
That's what I get for writing after a very long day. At least I didn't say "Kaiserschnitt!"
:rofl:Crisisman said:That's what I get for writing after a very long day. At least I didn't say "Kaiserschnitt!"
This is one GREAT AAR Crisisman, it's easy to read, packed with interesting/useful information, and lots and lots of fun to follow. Looking forward to the KM mop-up of the USN and the subsequent landings in... Virginia...? But first things first.
Nice going. Hals- und Beinbruch with the SU!
:rofl:Crisisman said:That's what I get for writing after a very long day. At least I didn't say "Kaiserschnitt!"
Good work anyway