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I made some suggestions in how to cut the wastelands so that it looks more clean
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Ye good old English way of straight linesView attachment 1263773
I made some suggestions in how to cut the wastelands so that it looks more clean
Well it's desert after all, there ain't many geographical features to go byYe good old English way of straight lines
Al Qatif was the capital of the Jarwanids at the timeOrmus should also own the location of Al-Qatif, from Pedro Teixeira's translation of the state history of the kingdom:
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Xa Kodbadin refers to the current ruler, Qutb ad-Din, who conquered Barhen (Bahrain) and Katifa (Qatif) in 1330-1331
Also, Dhofar (Zafari, the kingdom) should be a little smaller, basically just the locations with Dhofari culture rather than the whole province and island of Socotra, Ibn Battuta wrote that it had no dependencies:
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I think you mispelled this dynasty, It's Qatadid not Qatatid, I've also found Diramku for Hormuz and not Deramku
unrelated to the arabia feedback can you add the rest of the maps to the Low countries feedback?It was a typo indeed, fixed.
I don't know - this seems quite subjective because the bright colours have that effect on me. I cannot seem to focus on anything but the big, bright Rub' al-Khali on that market mapmode.I actually prefer lighter colours for wastelands and sea because pitch black forces you to concentrate your gaze on it, and that's the part of the map you have no interest in.
If it causes dizziness to some people it could be light gray, but I really rather not have these huge splashes of black here.
A bit too much Shiite around the Hijaz region I think![]()
Lots of minorities!
Yes, if you go by what Wikipedia says, which is partly why the Jarwanids existing at all as an independent state is problematic. I wrote about it a little in a previous post with a source, but essentially sources overlap about whether it was the Jarwanids or Usfurids existing in 1337, if it was the Jarwanids then they would just be local governors within Hormuzi territory, if the Usfurids existed then it would have be a direct Hormuzi conquest of Qatif and Bahrain.Al Qatif was the capital of the Jarwanids at the time
Hormuz
In 1337, Hormuz was ruled by Qutb al-Din Tahamtan (Deramku dynasty), a strong ruler who consolidated many regions around the Persian Gulf. Their borders should be expanded.
Older map, see more recent post here
I'd be happy if anyone could help fill out some details, I couldn't find many more good English sources.
Notes:
- The Omani coast was long established as a key area of the kingdom, Qalhat was considered a sort of second capital.
- It's said that Tahamtan's empire spread from Basra to the coast of India, but those seem more like trade outposts rather than large conquests, it's something that could be represented by buildings.
- Areas directly conquered included Kharg, Kish, Bahrain, Qatif, and many other coastal areas between them.
- Muzaffarid influence over the Makran ports would have been very unlikely, it's better to represent them as part of Hormuz. I saw a mention of an "Emirate of Jask" in a Farsi text, but I'm not sure if it existed in 1337 or if that was even translated correctly.
- Golashkerd should go to the Muzaffarids
- There's conflicting information on whether the Arabian coast was ruled by the Jarwanids as vassals under Hormuz, or by the Usfurids who directly surrendered Bahrain and Qatif to Hormuz. Whichever one it was, Hormuz definitely conquered Bahrain and Qatif around 1330.
- Yas probably didn't exist yet, and the area is mentioned as being part of the Usfurid realm.
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Major cities of Hormuz
I would also move the island of Kharg into the Būshehr location, I think it makes more sense and would look better.
Good news, I found a source.
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Also, a significant detail:
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Note that this is in agreement with my other source, for the most part:
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Which is to say, the most coherent reading is that the "Jarwanids" did not form a separate state at all; assuming all of those other errors can be corrected, they're the sedentary subtribe of the Uqaylids. Or perhaps a different Uqaylid branch.
Regardless, I would not view them as two coexisting polities. Rather, they're one of the polities that arose out of the collapse of the present Uqaylid state and ultimately the one that managed to re-unify it.
Yes, if you go by what Wikipedia says, which is partly why the Jarwanids existing at all as an independent state is problematic. I wrote about it a little in a previous post with a source, but essentially sources overlap about whether it was the Jarwanids or Usfurids existing in 1337, if it was the Jarwanids then they would just be local governors within Hormuzi territory, if the Usfurids existed then it would have be a direct Hormuzi conquest of Qatif and Bahrain.
@Ispil also linked a source on the Jarwanid/Usfurid situation
@Pavía are Mecca and Hillah in one of those 5 scripted non European PU you mentioned in the TT for PUs and regencies?
Hillah shares a dynasty with Mecca, but is not under the same ruler. Due to the brief suzerainity of the Ilkhanate over Hejaz, Hillah was granted to Ahmad in 1330, a nephew of the current Sharif of Mecca.
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The why did you put the Sharif of Mecca as ruler of Hillah here?