I don't see Mecca here. Ahmad is right there though.

I don't see Mecca here. Ahmad is right there though.
Ahmad Rumaythat is the ruler of Mecca in 1337 and you put it as ruler of Hillah too, he and his brother were both fighting for the city but reconciled in March 1337 and then in June Ahmad was confirmed ruler of MeccaI don't quite see what this has to do with Ahmad?
Ahmad Rumaythat is the ruler of Mecca in 1337 and you put it as ruler of Hillah too
My bad I confused him with his uncleAhmad Rumaytha is not the ruler of Mecca.
This guy is: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumaythah_ibn_Abi_Numayy
Ahmad is the son of Humayda, brother of Rumaytha, the Sharif of Mecca. And Humayda died in 1320.
My bad I confused him with his uncle
More importantlyAhmad Rumaytha is not the ruler of Mecca.
This guy is: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumaythah_ibn_Abi_Numayy
Ahmad is the son of Humayda, brother of Rumaytha, the Sharif of Mecca. And Humayda died in 1320.
Just for clarification to the devs, those superscript Cs represent the letter ain which is written ʿ in the ISO standard. It's pronounced as a voiced pharyngeal fricative (/ʕ/).Some details on the spelling from The History of Najd:
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Devs aren't relying only on what we give 'em. They do their own research as well, so if they make changes it usually means that they found some source or another that contradicted whatever we suggested.More importantly
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You are the guy/one of the guys who made this map, have you noticed that Al'Ali and Al Fadl have less location in the review than your map?
Did you made a mistake there or did the devs forget?
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You are the guy/one of the guys who made this map, have you noticed that Al'Ali and Al Fadl have less location in the review than your map?
Aren't you going to ask them why though? What sources they used I mean, considering you probably spent a lot of time making it aren't you curious where they got the info that say otherwise?
Yeah, but I wouldn't worry about it. Going through 40+ pages of constantly changing feedback is bound to cause a couple mistakes, and the devs have their own input. I've changed the map over ten times by now, and I doubt that has helped. The feedback threads are a good way to get those sorted out.
Thankfully the community map for Persia is in its final form now, unless someone posts something groundbreaking.
Aren't you going to ask them why though? What sources they used I mean, considering you probably spent a lot of time making it, aren't you curious where they got the info that say otherwise?
Hillah ruling further south than what I suggested, I did find in other sources. As for Al A'idh, it's not unreasonable that they controlled more of what was nominally Al Fadl territory than what I suggested given that Al Fadl controlling that far south in my sources isn't well-dated and might've been more of a seasonal migration maximum extent.Aren't you going to ask them why though? What sources they used I mean, considering you probably spent a lot of time making it aren't you curious where they got the info that say otherwise?
why are makkah and madina shiites ?? that was never the case
It is still sad that Jeddah is still not a Natural Harbor.
I think this was correct as it was, actually. Based on the research done in the original Arabia Maps thread, Jeddah should really be either not a natural harbor or a pretty low-tier one. It’s status as a busy port was for reasons other than its natural suitability.Just added a natural harbor there.
Post 2Jiddah, for example, flourished from its location halfway up or down the Red Sea and from providing access to the Holy City of Makkah. ... Yet neither of these cities had favorable geographical characteristics. ... In 1183 CE..., a pilgrim wrote of the entry to Jiddah: "The entry into it is difficult to achieve because of the many reefs and the windings. We observed the art of these captains and the mariners in the handling of their ships through the reefs. It was truly marvelous. They would enter the narrow channels and manage their way through them as a cavalier manages a horse that is light on the bridle and tractable. They came through in a wonderful manner that can not be described ... ." (Ports of Oman pg. 18-19)
The harbor was only suitable for dhows and lighters, which typically have a draft of 1 to 2 meters. Larger ships with a draft of more than 2 meters were unable to dock directly at the quays due to the limited water depth near the shore. Large sailing ships (e.g., frigates, galleons, ships of the line), with drafts of 4.5 to 7 meters, could still make use of the harbor by anchoring offshore—several hundred yards from the coast—and transferring their cargo onto smaller boats like dhows and lighters. However, this process of unloading cargo offshore and ferrying it to the harbor would have been inefficient and time-consuming, particularly for larger ships involved in extensive trade.
In summary, Jeddah was a suitable harbor for smaller vessels and offshore cargo transfers from larger ships, but its shallow depth and offshore anchoring requirements made it inefficient for large ships and extensive trade.
And furthermore:why are makkah and madina shiites ?? that was never the case