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Thank you for your persistence, Pip. And very welcome to have you back hanging around this end of the thread. I had been anticipating some forceful commentary last year when the Aberfan arc first appeared, so good to see it at last.
As you might expect the disaster came up in my degree, mostly as a 'here's what happens if you get it wrong' lesson/warning but also as an example that the consequences of a mistake may not become apparent for many years. While the tip was in some ways doomed to fail from the moment the site was selected, it still took 7 years for it to happen.
I’ve been mulling over what to say on Aberfan for a while now, and all things considered I will decline, if you don’t mind, to draw out the points about fault and conduct and who set off what chain of events.
That is reasonable enough, given what has happened since the actual cause is arguably irrelevant to the ongoing plot. To use a modern term, the narrative of the disaster has become set in the minds of all those involved so the arguments will be about how to respond to that, not if said narrative is actually correct.
I think it’s fair to suggest that my own stance is probably quite easy to divine. It’s equally true, as a more disputatious writer than I once put it, that: What writer can compete with the reader’s imagination? The bottom line, I think, is that if reading about Aberfan as described here elicits such forceful responses then I probably done my job as a writer.
This is indeed true, it was an excellent bit of writing.
The argument is of course as much as the point as the specifics of blame is not.
The specifics of blame are important though, from the very industry specific (making sure it doesn't happen again) to the big picture arguments about reshaping the industry and then the wider Commonwealth economy. The details of coal tip stability are doubtless outside the scope of this work, but worker control and autonomy looks like it will be an ongoing and important area of political argument. Ideally you'd want that done on the basis of what actually happened not a politicised story that has been almost entirely made up? Obviously the latter is what will happen and what does happen far too often in OTL as well, so I'm not criticising the narrative choice here just saying that the specifics should matter even if politics mean they often don't.
In a sense it’s a whole system which is guilty, so singling out individuals is absurd. But that’s politics, right?
Well it is politics that has decided that "the system" is guilty certainly, and I suppose that mirrors OTL so I shouldn't really complain. The tribunal did single out a number of individuals who were to blame but hid that away in the appendices that no journalist or interested party bothered to read. Politics demanded that British Coal take the headline blame so that was what happened. Doubtless something similar will happen in the Commonwealth.
Yes. And I am bracing myself for all subsequent accusations that it is a farce, lacks legitimacy, whitewashes worker incompetence, etc etc. :p
This is a wise move as whatever result is produced the investigation will face at least the first two of those accusations. No-one in the Commonwealth actually wants the investigation to come up with anything as reactionary and bourgeoisie as the so-called truth, they just want it to agree with the conclusion they have already reached for political reasons.
2024 is a grim prospect, isn’t it?
I can see why you'd say that, I'm fairly sure every elected political party in the UK would be banned in the Commonwealth. ;)
Thank you. Rest assured whatever psychic damage my writing has caused you, your attentive criticism is just as powerful in response. :)
A stark warning to everyone about what happens when MAD fails.
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Urgh 2024. Another trump election, and another round of hard right true brexit belivers.

Is this progress?
 
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As you might expect the disaster came up in my degree, mostly as a 'here's what happens if you get it wrong' lesson/warning but also as an example that the consequences of a mistake may not become apparent for many years. While the tip was in some ways doomed to fail from the moment the site was selected, it still took 7 years for it to happen.
I’m very reassured to hear this was the case, in all honesty. Viewed in hindsight, the history makes for painful reading what with all the various points over the long span at which something could have been done.

That is reasonable enough, given what has happened since the actual cause is arguably irrelevant to the ongoing plot. To use a modern term, the narrative of the disaster has become set in the minds of all those involved so the arguments will be about how to respond to that, not if said narrative is actually correct.
Yes, this was more or less my conclusion. Not to say the specifics of what happened aren’t important, of course. Only that they aren’t what’s being fought over a year down the line.

The specifics of blame are important though, from the very industry specific (making sure it doesn't happen again) to the big picture arguments about reshaping the industry and then the wider Commonwealth economy.
Yes, apologies – I was a little glib in my phrasing. Specifics of what actually happened, and how not for it to happen again, are obviously of vital importance from the coalface on up. What I would argue is less important (because really it detracts from the former, and from the ongoing problems faced by the community affected) is the argument over who gets blamed and how severely. At the end of the day, blame doesn’t really do much positive.

The tribunal did single out a number of individuals who were to blame but hid that away in the appendices that no journalist or interested party bothered to read.
I’ve actually read that section. I’m not convinced, given what happened with Alf Robens, Richard Marsh and all the rest, that hiding it away and headlining the blame on the NCB was because the government wanted to knife them. But I can appreciate that nebulous attempts to blame ‘the system’ don’t really wash, and are rarely helpful.

It’s progress from Windscale, at least, where the poor named individuals actually were scapegoated for some terrible government decisions.

I can see why you'd say that, I'm fairly sure every elected political party in the UK would be banned in the Commonwealth. ;)
Oh, we have plenty of Starmer types around. Some of them are even in power. ;)

Urgh 2024. Another trump election, and another round of hard right true brexit belivers.

Is this progress?
Progress is sooo last century
 
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And on that note, all caught up. The election was a surprise, it all seemed so low stakes and industrial marxist jargon that l I thought the turnout would drop due to voter narcolepsy. Then again I am making the fatal mistake of thinking there is any connection between what the electorate did (or did not) and what gets announced as the result of the election. I wonder if Iain Macleod will ever tie of being the tame opposition, allowed to run a paper within strict limits but perpetually ignored, especially when his analysis is correct. Must get frustrating after a while.

The background on Lewis chapter was a nice reminder on both him and the history of the Commonwealth, it certainly set him up well as politician with ideas (maybe not good ones, but at least ideas) and enough skill in the dark arts to implement them. But it appears the power has gone to his head and his patience has deserted him, had he compromised a bit and taken the small wins he'd not be in minority by the end. Then again such is fatal flaw of much of the left - better to be pure in opposition than compromised in power. Probably why they've outlawed any actual opposition.

‘Ain’t Nobody’s Business’, as performed by Otis Spann.
(His, for me, is the definitive interpretation.)
Disappointed that the bloke introducing this didn't at any point say "Nice", I kept expecting him to.

The Abse-Hughes report was a travesty but not in the way I expected. Kicking British Coal and ignoring the local mistakes was all but inevitable, too many people would get upset at the truth for that to be published. But the authors completely ignoring their brief and going off one about an entirely unrelated subject was a surprise. That said I do hope their ideas come to pass, I am an enthusiastic supporter of Wales getting more power and autonomy because it is always funny to see people get exactly what they want and then have to deal with the awful consequences. Even better when they can never admit their mistakes and have to pretend they are happy with the new arrangement, all while desperately wishing things were back as they were.

‘People will always need coal’, National Coal Board promotional film, 1975.
Public Service Broadcasting did a great job setting this to music -

Disappointingly it appears no-one involved in that promotional film or the wider campaign was ever prosecuted, because surely knowingly tempting young people into horrific jobs in a doomed industry has to be some sort of offence? A complete recruitment freeze at British Coal in the mid-70s would have solved so many later problems as well as forcing people to confront what was coming earlier.

The kidnap subplot was a surprise, though the chapter did a great job of explaining where it had come from, all the anti-English hatred being spouted and stirred up was always going to lead to that sort of nastiness and worse. I confidently predict nothing will happen about this and there will be no concert or cultural outpouring aimed at opposing such views.

And so I reach Allaun’s speech and a point that looks a lot like the middle of the end for Lewis, the beginning of his end being his refusal to compromise on 28-day cool off period, his year is coming to an end (unless that book title from Jenkins is deliberately misleading?) In any event it was a good speech though it's invocation of Douglas Jay does raise the fundamental questions that Lewis at least got close to engaging with, even if the rest of the Commonwealth are studiously ignoring. Who does know best? Will workers really engage with a modernisation that would increase productivity but cost jobs? What happens when there is a difference between the best interests of the workers and the people? These are not easy questions, especially when you have ruled out both the free market solution and the central state planning option, so I do hope they get a bit of an airing once Lewis has been booted out.
 
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He never got the chance. After meeting with supporters at the Beverly Hilton Hotel to wild chants of “We Want Gene” on June 5, Eugene McCarthy was shot by an infuriated South Vietnamese nationalist, Vu Hong Linh. He died early on the morning of June 6 from the effects of the wounds he had received. The days that followed were filled with memorable scenes as McCarthy’s body was carried to Washington for a requiem mass and burial.
I'm breaking the silence I thought I would hold until I caught up to cry outrage at the death of what might have been our (Minnesota's) chance to break our seemingly unbreakable curse of also-rans (a persistence across timelines, apparently :mad:).

Aside from that, I'd like to take a moment to express my admiration of this work. The world crafted here has done an excellent job of bringing me through the ups-and-downs of revolutionary fervor, decline, and reform, as well as giving me no small amount of trepidation about TTL's future. I'll perhaps return to comment further once I have fully caught up.
 
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And so, having finally seen off the stern foe that was my dissertation, and having with it brought my time as a literature postgrad to an end, I am back and ready to begin once again usefully contributing to society.

By which I of course mean frittering the days away half-heartedly searching for jobs, catching up on reading for pleasure, preparing myself psychically for the horror of 'LIz Truss's Britain' – and responding, at last, to the latest comments here.

Therefore:

And on that note, all caught up.
Excellent to have you back. :)

The election was a surprise, it all seemed so low stakes and industrial marxist jargon that l I thought the turnout would drop due to voter narcolepsy. Then again I am making the fatal mistake of thinking there is any connection between what the electorate did (or did not) and what gets announced as the result of the election.
There was always going to be heightened interest, I think, after Bevan's death. If he'd lived a bit longer, turnout probably would have been lower as the outcome would have been pretty certain. But with him gone everything (ok, maybe not everything…) was to play for.

I wonder if Iain Macleod will ever tie of being the tame opposition, allowed to run a paper within strict limits but perpetually ignored, especially when his analysis is correct. Must get frustrating after a while.
Oh yes, he will. Quite soon in fact.

The background on Lewis chapter was a nice reminder on both him and the history of the Commonwealth, it certainly set him up well as politician with ideas (maybe not good ones, but at least ideas) and enough skill in the dark arts to implement them. But it appears the power has gone to his head and his patience has deserted him, had he compromised a bit and taken the small wins he'd not be in minority by the end.
That's a very good assessment of the situation. Arguably took on too much, too fast – and in doing so tethered himself to some fairly rash courses of action. But definitely a man of ideas, and his anti-Mosley credentials are impeccable (better than Bevan's for sure) so he'll probably be able to salvage a decent post-premiership career as a rehabilitated elder statesman.

Disappointed that the bloke introducing this didn't at any point say "Nice", I kept expecting him to.
This exact gag is a running joke between my flatmate and me, who both watch that clip an awful lot.

The Abse-Hughes report was a travesty but not in the way I expected. Kicking British Coal and ignoring the local mistakes was all but inevitable, too many people would get upset at the truth for that to be published. But the authors completely ignoring their brief and going off one about an entirely unrelated subject was a surprise. That said I do hope their ideas come to pass, I am an enthusiastic supporter of Wales getting more power and autonomy because it is always funny to see people get exactly what they want and then have to deal with the awful consequences. Even better when they can never admit their mistakes and have to pretend they are happy with the new arrangement, all while desperately wishing things were back as they were.
FWIW, I think the two lead authors probably have too much integrity not to have covered the actual, local events somewhere in the report. You and I will, I think, always disagree on just how much those events lessen the share of the blame to be apportioned to the corporation, but we need not go back over that. The salient point as concerns Jenkins' write-up is, I think, that as we have discussed previously there is a narrative forming, and that is what he's writing about rather than the disaster itself.

As for your rosy, optimistic view of Welsh autonomy – I would expect nothing less. :p

Public Service Broadcasting did a great job setting this to music -
That track is where I first learned of the film's existence, as it happens.

Disappointingly it appears no-one involved in that promotional film or the wider campaign was ever prosecuted, because surely knowingly tempting young people into horrific jobs in a doomed industry has to be some sort of offence? A complete recruitment freeze at British Coal in the mid-70s would have solved so many later problems as well as forcing people to confront what was coming earlier.
Quite.

The kidnap subplot was a surprise, though the chapter did a great job of explaining where it had come from, all the anti-English hatred being spouted and stirred up was always going to lead to that sort of nastiness and worse. I confidently predict nothing will happen about this and there will be no concert or cultural outpouring aimed at opposing such views.
I'm glad it came across as a surprise, so thanks for the vote of encouragement. On the point of 'anti-English hatred', I should emphasise that that really isn't what we're dealing with here at the moment, so unless someone wants to organise a free festival in favour of the benevolence of British Coal, or (perhaps more likely) the positives of centralism, then I dare say no we won't be seeing anything like Common Beat yet.

And so I reach Allaun’s speech and a point that looks a lot like the middle of the end for Lewis, the beginning of his end being his refusal to compromise on 28-day cool off period, his year is coming to an end (unless that book title from Jenkins is deliberately misleading?) In any event it was a good speech though it's invocation of Douglas Jay does raise the fundamental questions that Lewis at least got close to engaging with, even if the rest of the Commonwealth are studiously ignoring. Who does know best? Will workers really engage with a modernisation that would increase productivity but cost jobs? What happens when there is a difference between the best interests of the workers and the people? These are not easy questions, especially when you have ruled out both the free market solution and the central state planning option, so I do hope they get a bit of an airing once Lewis has been booted out.
Thank you for your praise of the speech. It was a sticky ending once I realised I'd set myself up to write a somewhat memorable bit of parliamentary oratory, so glad to know it had something of the desired effect.

You are of course right that the questions raised are both difficult and not going away. Answering them will be the coming years' argument.

I'm breaking the silence I thought I would hold until I caught up to cry outrage at the death of what might have been our (Minnesota's) chance to break our seemingly unbreakable curse of also-rans (a persistence across timelines, apparently :mad:).
Welcome, @Ix:Risor ! Very glad to have you on board, and thanks for taking the time to catch up. :D

If it were up to me, I'd have taken Gene any day. But @99KingHigh has other plans for the states' salvation. :p

Aside from that, I'd like to take a moment to express my admiration of this work. The world crafted here has done an excellent job of bringing me through the ups-and-downs of revolutionary fervor, decline, and reform, as well as giving me no small amount of trepidation about TTL's future. I'll perhaps return to comment further once I have fully caught up.
Thank you! I'll look forward to hearing any more thoughts you may have after reaching the present. :)
 
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As a side question since it's likely that the Crown will soon be transferred to another's head... I recall that George VI and his family ran off to Canada, and that Edward was executed. Who took the mantle over? Would it still be Elizabeth?
 
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As a side question since it's likely that the Crown will soon be transferred to another's head... I recall that George VI and his family ran off to Canada, and that Edward was executed. Who took the mantle over? Would it still be Elizabeth?
Yeah, it’s Liz. She took over from her dad as Queen of Canada in (iirc) 1965. No war stress kept old Albert alive a bit longer.

I have a note somewhere of the whole family, which I can dig up if it becomes, ah… topical. Charles doesn’t exist, for one thing. ER married a ‘Canadian’ aristo rather than George so the children are all made up.
 
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Yeah, it’s Liz. She took over from her dad as Queen of Canada in (iirc) 1965. No war stress kept old Albert alive a bit longer.

I have a note somewhere of the whole family, which I can dig up if it becomes, ah… topical. Charles doesn’t exist, for one thing. ER married a ‘Canadian’ aristo rather than George so the children are all made up.
Well, should this project ever cover this period... The Queen is Dead. Long live the King.
 
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Well, should this project ever cover this period... The Queen is Dead. Long live the King.
I suppose it’s fitting, given how much I’ve devoted to the project over the past few years, that I should log onto the forums after a union meeting, check this of all threads and discover that the queen had died.

Although on second thoughts, maybe it would’ve been more fitting to have heard it from @Le Jones in ARP…
 
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I suppose it’s fitting, given how much I’ve devoted to the project over the past few years, that I should log onto the forums after a union meeting, check this of all threads and discover that the queen had died.

Although on second thoughts, maybe it would’ve been more fitting to have heard it from @Le Jones in ARP…

Meh.
 
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About sums it up.

Neglected to mention earlier, incidentally, that I’ve yet to start work on the next (and hopefully final) section of the Lewis chapter. Might have a go at it next week, but still very much in decompression mode post-diss so taking a break from all writing for a little bit.

Will read over the last chapter and get my head back into kidnappings, widespread strikes and changes in premiership. You know, as a good break from the real world.
 
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On the point of 'anti-English hatred', I should emphasise that that really isn't what we're dealing with here at the moment
Hmmm. Though I note the "at the moment", because that is the road we are on. Exhibits A and B;
compared Lewis’s policy to other episodes from the ‘centuries-long’ occupation of Wales by England,
appalled by the presence of English volunteers on Welsh soil.
It is indeed appalling when people move around their own country. Except when Welshmen move to English soil and run the country, that of course is fine. Though an Englishman having a position of power in Wales would of course be a continuation of 'occupation'.

Hatred may perhaps be a strong word for where we are now, but if this keeps up it won't be. And if officialdom is in denial about it even being a problem the rhetoric is only going to get worse.
 
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Hmmm. Though I note the "at the moment", because that is the road we are on.
I was deliberate in my choice of words. :)

It is indeed appalling when people move around their own country. Except when Welshmen move to English soil and run the country, that of course is fine. Though an Englishman having a position of power in Wales would of course be a continuation of 'occupation'.
Well quite. Even if I disagree with the fact that Westminster deploying armed English volunteers over the border (and their Englishness was deliberate) is simply ‘people moving around their own country’, it is – like the whole crisis post-Aberfan, really – more in the narrative than in the details. But the two things – a Welshman running the Commonwealth, a rise in Welsh dissatisfaction with the Commonwealth – are linked. Bevan’s mixed time of things, ending tragically with Aberfan, sparked a sort of “is this the best we can hope for?” feeling among some groups. The fact that it’s Wales specifically means the problems can be tied into the growing linguistic nationalist movement and combine into a political nationalist one. Yet the fundamental problem of course is that Wales (or South Wales anyway – the North has its own issues, probably less grievous ITTL beyond the language matter) is a coal economy, and an industrial economy more broadly, and those sorts of arrangements are in for a bad time of it come the late Sixties. What someone needs to start doing is to make the basic leftist counter argument to divide and conquer (exactly the argument Common Beat made): that the working classes always have more in common with each other than with their capitalist-class ‘compatriots’, and that what the Commonwealth needs generally is a process of deindustrialisation that doesn’t screw the workers – whether they be Welsh or not. And in time people will start to say this – particularly once the broader Left have to craft a position on the question of what to do with Wales in the upcoming election (no surprise to reveal there will be an election soon, I’m sure). For now there’s too much anger for it to cut through, though. And of course there will be a radical fringe dissatisfied by any outcome that involves compromise.

Hatred may perhaps be a strong word for where we are now, but if this keeps up it won't be. And if officialdom is in denial about it even being a problem the rhetoric is only going to get worse.
Sums it up well. As I suggest above, my original comment was mostly in answer to ‘anti-English hatred’, and particularly the implicit analogy with the racism that sparked Common Beat in response. Obviously the two things are not the same. But equally obvious is the fact that there is a big problem brewing (well, more than brewing by this stage…) and those in power or with aspirations towards it need to craft a solution that isn’t simply ‘send in the troops’.

What I will emphasise just to keep it in mind is the fact that I have deliberately labelled the movement in Wales ‘autonomist’ and not ‘nationalist’. One might dismiss this as a euphemism on the part of a sympathetic author, but in my mind it is a real distinction; what Cymru Rydd are arguing for isn’t political separation from the Commonwealth, but a greater say over local affairs. It’s an anti-centralism argument dressed up, by quirk of history and geography, in Welsh cultural nationalism.

(In time, there will inevitably be those who are dissatisfied with this approach, which is where my ‘at the moment’ comes in. But that’s far off yet.)
 
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I’ve been on and off the forums this year anyway, what with the MA and everything else, so my recent absence is probably less conspicuous than it would have been a couple of years ago, but I thought I’d check in nevertheless.

September proved a very difficult month indeed, a perfect storm of uninspiring weather, perilous financial hardship and a dispiriting, repetitive search for purpose and employment in the post-postgraduate world. Over the last few weeks, the time I’ve not spent worrying about money has mostly been taken up fulfilling the draconian demands of the DWP in my quest to get them to help me with the cost of living. Things looked a bit hairy for a while, but fingers crossed I’ve weathered the worst of it and should be back living whatever most closely approximates my interpretation of a ‘normal’ life soon enough.

But even for the most idealistic lefty anarchish writer of alt-history, money does force itself into first position, so it’ll be a little while yet before I can think about writing for fun. In current circumstances any hope of finishing the Lewis chapter has leapt head and shoulders out the window. Which is an historic shame, because I dare say in the Truss Era Echoes has never been more, uh… relevant. And it even looks like Sir Keith has been reading my notes, if his conference pronouncements are anything to go by / have any actual grounding in reality (he’s got previous there, of course…).

That said, there’s plenty of good stuff happening in DB land also. For one thing, my dissertation marks came back substantially higher than I’d dared hope, so that’s something I’m both pleasantly surprised by and incredibly proud of. There are a few quite interesting-looking jobs out there which, with a bit of luck, I might just squeeze myself into contention for. And then today’s my birthday – hence this overlong and indulgently introspective life update. Got to get it out the way before the real fun begins! :D

Anyway, just to let you know that I’m still about and doing mostly fine. I’ll see you all on the other side, hopefully in the not too distant future, with the final chapter in the Lewis saga!

(And who knows? Maybe by then we’ll have yet another hopeless PM to make topical gags about…)
 
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As we say in the Tory Party, it can always get worse.
 
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I’ve been on and off the forums this year anyway, what with the MA and everything else, so my recent absence is probably less conspicuous than it would have been a couple of years ago, but I thought I’d check in nevertheless.

September proved a very difficult month indeed, a perfect storm of uninspiring weather, perilous financial hardship and a dispiriting, repetitive search for purpose and employment in the post-postgraduate world. Over the last few weeks, the time I’ve not spent worrying about money has mostly been taken up fulfilling the draconian demands of the DWP in my quest to get them to help me with the cost of living. Things looked a bit hairy for a while, but fingers crossed I’ve weathered the worst of it and should be back living whatever most closely approximates my interpretation of a ‘normal’ life soon enough.

But even for the most idealistic lefty anarchish writer of alt-history, money does force itself into first position, so it’ll be a little while yet before I can think about writing for fun. In current circumstances any hope of finishing the Lewis chapter has leapt head and shoulders out the window. Which is an historic shame, because I dare say in the Truss Era Echoes has never been more, uh… relevant. And it even looks like Sir Keith has been reading my notes, if his conference pronouncements are anything to go by / have any actual grounding in reality (he’s got previous there, of course…).

That said, there’s plenty of good stuff happening in DB land also. For one thing, my dissertation marks came back substantially higher than I’d dared hope, so that’s something I’m both pleasantly surprised by and incredibly proud of. There are a few quite interesting-looking jobs out there which, with a bit of luck, I might just squeeze myself into contention for. And then today’s my birthday – hence this overlong and indulgently introspective life update. Got to get it out the way before the real fun begins! :D

Anyway, just to let you know that I’m still about and doing mostly fine. I’ll see you all on the other side, hopefully in the not too distant future, with the final chapter in the Lewis saga!

(And who knows? Maybe by then we’ll have yet another hopeless PM to make topical gags about…)
Happy Birthday DB! Glad to hear things are looking up -- as always, we American capitalists would be honored to bail you out.
 
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By my count, there will now have been three different prime ministers in between the last update and the next. God bless Liz Truss for making John Strachey look like a political titan!
 
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By my count, there will now have been three different prime ministers in between the last update and the next. God bless Liz Truss for making John Strachey look like a political titan!

Impressive!
 
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Impressive!
Can’t believe how conservative I was back in 2019 plotting for a mid-century political crisis that involved three premiers in three years. Amateur numbers…
 
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